Pierre Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 In my neck of the woods several years ago most of the women with Uggs and NF stuff were Jewish.
dasein Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 I see... Not going to get into a debate with you today, especially not try to explain what should be an obvious difference between random, anonymous posts on an internet relationship forum, especially in a light, humorous thread, and directed insults IRL. So pick another target. Or rather go read the TOS and various threads interpreting it.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Not going to get into a debate with you today, especially not try to explain what should be an obvious difference between random, anonymous posts on an internet relationship forum, especially in a light, humorous thread, and directed insults IRL. So pick another target. Or rather go read the TOS and various threads interpreting it. Isn't judging someone as "stupid" for the way they are dressed a "direct insult"? Even if that person isn't saying it out loud? Maybe you were trying to be humorous Dasein. I don't really know. But I do know that LS people make a lot of judgements about others and I don't think it's that far off from how they think in real life. I also don't think being able to direct insults at people cuts down on murder/suicide rates.
ShannonMI Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 I don't know if this is something that's internet/discussion forums-wide, but at least on LoveShack, there seems to be lots of guys 18-35 who are really negative (but serious, not facetious like Woody Allen) and always make posts that dog on the women that they see on the street, or on dating websites, or that they somehow tricked into speaking to them. They all tend to have really belligerent, unapologetic attitudes; the guys 18-25 tend to be helpless, and the guys 26-35 tend to be bitter and despondent. What's going on with these guys? What makes them tick? I agree with this. These guys can't get women or have been burned badly by women. Or are just miserable f*cks. Sad, sad.
ShannonMI Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 So according to this thread I'm dead inside, am the female equivalent to a douchebag, live at the Jersey Shore, am Jewish and can't have a thoughtful conversation. I wear Victoria's Secret Pink clothing, Uggs and Northface jackets. I also have a healthy glow. Not like leather by any means, just a little bit of color. :D:D Wow you guys are NOT NICE!! So judgmental. I wear Pink sweats because they are super comfortable and they're cute. I wear Uggs because they are very warm and of course fashionable. I wear Northface fleeces and winter jackets because they are extremely warm in the bitter winters here in New York. The tan I sport is just to look "less dead" I guess.:laugh:
Mme. Chaucer Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 So according to this thread I'm dead inside, am the female equivalent to a douchebag, live at the Jersey Shore, am jewish and can't have a thoughtful conversation. I wear Victoria's Secret Pink clothing, Uggs and Northface jackets. I also have a healthy glow. Not like leather by any means, just a little bit of color. :D:D Wow you guys are NOT NICE!! I wear Pink sweats because they are super comfortable and they're cute. I wear Uggs because they are very warm and of course fashionable. I wear Northface fleeces and winter jackets because they are extremely warm in the bitter winters here in New York. The tan I sport is just to look "less dead" I guess.:laugh: Sorry, you are nothing but a fashionable zombie with an insatiable appetite to consume living (male) humans.
azsinglegal Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Ugg boots are the worst. I hate those things...so ugly and really unflattering. Should get me a pair of "juicy" sweats, but no need for Northface jackets in Arizona unless I go up north to play in the snow. I have a Columbia jacket anyway that I love.
ShannonMI Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Sorry, you are nothing but a fashionable zombie with an insatiable appetite to consume living (male) humans. I love me some tasty boys;)
Pierre Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 So according to this thread I'm dead inside, am the female equivalent to a douchebag, live at the Jersey Shore, am Jewish There is nothing wrong with being Jewish. Be careful here!
ShannonMI Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 There is nothing wrong with being Jewish. Be careful here! I didn't mean it as a bad thing. Sorry if it seemed that way. I just added it to the list of things people on this thread said about the type of girls who wear that specific clothing. Bottom line: not all girls who wear these clothes are those things that were listed. Bad or good. It's stereotyping and not necessarily correct.
Mme. Chaucer Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 But is it okay to stereotype the guys who wear outfits like that?
ShannonMI Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 But is it okay to stereotype the guys who wear outfits like that? Oh have I stereotyped guys on here for wearing certain clothing? I don't recall doing that. Maybe I'm wrong.
ShannonMI Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 I have to say, I agree with dasein. Humor, specifically making fun of others and myself, is the tool I use to prevent myself from committing a murder-suicide. And that is consistent with a Freudian interpretation of humor that has a "butt of the joke" (which is most humor): that it is an intentional assault on the self or others. We can't often hug or punch others (or ourselves), but we can use language to achieve something similar. Laughter is a complicit agreement -- the audience "joins in on the assault". This is, for the most part, a very positive thing. It represents the ability of humans to cope abstractly with basic emotions and desires. However, humor like that can also reveal the antagonisms in a person. Sometimes those antagonisms reveal a flawed character. A long time ago, I used to think "Go back to the kitchen" jokes were funny. I thought they were funny because it was "controversial", and not because I believed in it. But after I learned more about the history of women and gender issues, those jokes just stopped being funny to me. I can't really explain it other than I just don't find them witty anymore. I think you have a great sense of humor. Your You Got Served photoshopping being a prime example:laugh::laugh:
Negative Nancy Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 I like big butts and I can not lie. My anaconda don't want none unless you got buns hun lol. Throwdown are awesome, aren't they
oaks Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 I agree with this. These guys can't get women or have been burned badly by women. Or are just miserable f*cks. Sad, sad. Really? I thought it might've been a bit of a generalisation. Glad I'm not in the indicated age brackets or I might be upset about it.
ShannonMI Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Really? I thought it might've been a bit of a generalisation. Glad I'm not in the indicated age brackets or I might be upset about it. Are you bitter about women or do you have trouble getting laid? I never sensed that about you.
PlumPrincess Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 These bitter men crop up everywhere. Every single forum I've ever been on, excluding some music sites, I've seen them. I belong to a social anxiety forum, and there are so many threads on bad boys/nice guys and true forced loneliness and misogynistic stuff that the administrator has made it a bannable offense to even mention those words! He stickied a thread at the top, much to everyone's thanks. Everyone, including me, is mighty sick of those threads. I believe even Wolf was there once, but I think he was banned. For much of the same stuff he said here. Not sure, though, but I seem to remember a poster named Wolf that sounded like him. It's funny how every relationship forum, or something that has to do with relationships, ends up with bitter guys and mods having to ban them or warn them. Even the autism community I visited once or twice, when I suspected I was an Aspie, had a "nice guy" thread that went on for 200 pages! I remember when I complained about creeps on online dating sites, you immediately, but immediately, accused me of not liking unattractive guys. Now if that is not a gigantic red flag, then I don't know what is. It really makes me question the sincerity of your other posts.
oaks Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Are you bitter about women or do you have trouble getting laid? I never sensed that about you. No, and a gentleman never tells although someone is cooking me dinner this evening and I suspect we'll be having breakfast together.
AHardDaysNight Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 I remember when I complained about creeps on online dating sites, you immediately, but immediately, accused me of not liking unattractive guys. Now if that is not a gigantic red flag, then I don't know what is. It really makes me question the sincerity of your other posts. I was having a bad day. I'm sorry about that argument. One of the great benefits of that other forum is that you can edit or delete your posts, anytime. Here you have a 30 min window, and that is if nobody else comments after you...and even then, you can't completely delete it!
dasein Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Hearing women complain about stereotyping of people based on their clothing is beyond disingenuous, unless any woman wants to step forward and make the claim that women generally don't judge men, sometimes extremely harshly and frivolously, on their clothing, make that claim with a straight face and not blushing. Women are the primary stereotypers and judges based on clothing and they do it constantly (and to preempt, it doesn't make one iota of a convincing argument that you do or don't do certain things). How many men do you hear complaining about the "socks and sandals" look for example? how many women? jean shorts? How many internet articles and posts are there on "how to dress to impress" for men? Fashion nonos for men? for women? nada. Who judges people for the shoes they wear more, men or women? Who tries to "change" their SO's manner of dress at every opportunity, men or women? Who complains about "dad" jeans of all things? Who generally spends a goodly portion of their lives arranging their wardrobe, their outfits, shopping for clothes, etc., men or women? Who makes catty comments about what some other woman or women are wearing when out, men or women? So if you want to complain and rail on about stereotyping based on clothing, get real and make it gender based, because there is a vast sea of difference between the importance men attribute to what kinds of clothing women wear, the relatively trivial amount of stereotyping men do, and the importance women attribute to what kinds of clothing men wear, and the massive level of stereotyping they engage in. It's just another example of something women do every day of the world with aplomb, yet when a man dares to turn it back on them for a change in a relatively innocuous way, suddenly it's egregious, hurtful stereotyping. "yawn." I can't wait to see the "reality bending" rationalizations and BS in response to something that we all know to be a plain fact. Or rather, guys, show up for a date wearing a Member's Only jacket and white loafers and then come back here and post what happened when you called for the second date.
Wolf18 Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Yeah what a damn joke for women to tell me that I can't judge someone based on their clothes. When a woman meets a man she makes about 3000 assumptions about him based solely on his clothes.
Thieves Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 No, and a gentleman never tells although someone is cooking me dinner this evening and I suspect we'll be having breakfast together. As far as the OP, well... To be honest, even as a girl, I could never stand those damn pink sweatpants. I saw them everywhere a long time ago, and I think that just traumatized me for life. I just... do not... get it. Yeah, they might be absurdly comfortable, but... I don't know! I can't pinpoint my dislike for them. It's insane. It's like some women get offended if guys approach them the wrong way, yet they walk around with big fat words like "Juicy" and "Sexy" scribbled in bright pink across their ass. Really? Well, I actually don't get sweatpants, period, but that's just me.
Taramere Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Hearing women complain about stereotyping of people based on their clothing is beyond disingenuous, unless any woman wants to step forward and make the claim that women generally don't judge men, sometimes extremely harshly and frivolously, on their clothing, make that claim with a straight face and not blushing. Women are the primary stereotypers and judges based on clothing and they do it constantly (and to preempt, it doesn't make one iota of a convincing argument that you do or don't do certain things). How many men do you hear complaining about the "socks and sandals" look for example? how many women? jean shorts? How many internet articles and posts are there on "how to dress to impress" for men? Fashion nonos for men? for women? nada. Who judges people for the shoes they wear more, men or women? Who tries to "change" their SO's manner of dress at every opportunity, men or women? Who complains about "dad" jeans of all things? Who generally spends a goodly portion of their lives arranging their wardrobe, their outfits, shopping for clothes, etc., men or women? Who makes catty comments about what some other woman or women are wearing when out, men or women? So if you want to complain and rail on about stereotyping based on clothing, get real and make it gender based, because there is a vast sea of difference between the importance men attribute to what kinds of clothing women wear, the relatively trivial amount of stereotyping men do, and the importance women attribute to what kinds of clothing men wear, and the massive level of stereotyping they engage in. It's just another example of something women do every day of the world with aplomb, yet when a man dares to turn it back on them for a change in a relatively innocuous way, suddenly it's egregious, hurtful stereotyping. "yawn." I can't wait to see the "reality bending" rationalizations and BS in response to something that we all know to be a plain fact. Or rather, guys, show up for a date wearing a Member's Only jacket and white loafers and then come back here and post what happened when you called for the second date. What's a Member's only jacket? It sounds like something only a dick would wear. No but seriously. What is this Member's only thing? I've seen a couple of references to that recently.
cerridwen Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 What's a Member's only jacket? It sounds like something only a dick would wear. No but seriously. What is this Member's only thing? I've seen a couple of references to that recently. http://www.upscalehype.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/zac-members-only.png Member's Only jacket. Second only to the Douchey collection.
PlumPrincess Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Hearing women complain about stereotyping of people based on their clothing is beyond disingenuous, unless any woman wants to step forward and make the claim that women generally don't judge men, sometimes extremely harshly and frivolously, on their clothing, make that claim with a straight face and not blushing. Women are the primary stereotypers and judges based on clothing and they do it constantly (and to preempt, it doesn't make one iota of a convincing argument that you do or don't do certain things). How many men do you hear complaining about the "socks and sandals" look for example? how many women? jean shorts? How many internet articles and posts are there on "how to dress to impress" for men? Fashion nonos for men? for women? nada. Who judges people for the shoes they wear more, men or women? Who tries to "change" their SO's manner of dress at every opportunity, men or women? Who complains about "dad" jeans of all things? Who generally spends a goodly portion of their lives arranging their wardrobe, their outfits, shopping for clothes, etc., men or women? Who makes catty comments about what some other woman or women are wearing when out, men or women? So if you want to complain and rail on about stereotyping based on clothing, get real and make it gender based, because there is a vast sea of difference between the importance men attribute to what kinds of clothing women wear, the relatively trivial amount of stereotyping men do, and the importance women attribute to what kinds of clothing men wear, and the massive level of stereotyping they engage in. It's just another example of something women do every day of the world with aplomb, yet when a man dares to turn it back on them for a change in a relatively innocuous way, suddenly it's egregious, hurtful stereotyping. "yawn." I can't wait to see the "reality bending" rationalizations and BS in response to something that we all know to be a plain fact. Or rather, guys, show up for a date wearing a Member's Only jacket and white loafers and then come back here and post what happened when you called for the second date. Actually, I do think men judge women by their clothes at well. They just don't do it in the same analytical way. They judgement is not as refined and subtle as a woman's. It's more like, "looks hot", "doesn't look hot", "looks plain", etc. while a woman can tell you why the woman's/man's look suck. Example, if a girl walked around in sandals and white socks, she would strike you as weird and you might not find her that attractive, but you probably wouldn't be able to point out why. But a woman can.
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