AHardDaysNight Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 It doesn't necessarily mean anything, unless she shows you that it means something. Like, if she's treating you like a friend or a brother, then you are a friend or like a big brother to her. If she is biting her lip, looking at you slyly and looking quickly away, grabbing your hand, touching your shoulder - those are all signs and indicators of interest.
dasein Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Yeah, OP, picking them up, "binding" or restricting their motion in any way, not good. The hug from behind is not good on several fronts, in addition to previously posted, it makes you look weak and timid. One thing to try is to put gum in her hair when walking by to go to the bathroom. Then when you come back, say, "Is that gum in your hair? OMG" then you get to play with her hair while getting the gum out.
AngelTheSadPanda Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Really depends... Who is paying for these outings? If you're paying for everything you have the right to assume she is wanting to date you, but if she pays for her own that is an entirely new ball game.... it puts you in the friend zone in general though... I don't think there is any hidden meaning in why she hangs out. She has fun hanging out so she does it. I have a guy friend I hang out with a lot and we pay for our own outtings ... there is no hidden meaning- just friends.
Mrlonelyone Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 People are missing the point I and others are trying to make. A woman who is interested in being more than friends after all of the outings they have been on won't object to physical contact. Yes there is a risk he looses a friend, there is also a chance he gains a girlfriend.
USMCHokie Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Yes there is a risk he looses a friend, there is also a chance he gains a girlfriend. Disagree. A girl is no longer your friend the moment you decide you want to date her. She becomes a girl you want to date. Therefore, he has nothing to lose and only a girlfriend to gain by going for it. For instance, the girl I work with was legitimately just a friend until I realized I wanted to date her. From that point, she was no longer a friend but a girl I wanted to date. But I realized we weren't on the same page as far as dating, so my only option was to create distance and sever the connection. I choose not to be friends with women I want to date but do not want to date me. Personal preference and by no means the definitive rule.
phineas Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Disagree. A girl is no longer your friend the moment you decide you want to date her. She becomes a girl you want to date. Therefore, he has nothing to lose and only a girlfriend to gain by going for it. For instance, the girl I work with was legitimately just a friend until I realized I wanted to date her. From that point, she was no longer a friend but a girl I wanted to date. But I realized we weren't on the same page as far as dating, so my only option was to create distance and sever the connection. I choose not to be friends with women I want to date but do not want to date me. Personal preference and by no means the definitive rule. I'm similiar in cases where i've got an intense psyhical attraction to a woman. For instance, if she's lean & muscular I cannot be just friends with someone like that. I will always want to sleep with her & it would just be a bad situation so I cut all ties. But where I was just interested in them & they just want to be friends then I can do it no problem because I really don't waste my time chasing after women that arn't attracted to me. I NEED that feeling of of her wanting to jump me as much as I want to jump her for it to work. The problems arise where basically all of these women now know I was interested in her & try to turn me into a lap-dog or cock-block me when we go out so I wind up cutting ties anyways. A good example is I hung out with a chick from work on & off the last few ys. She's a major flake & attention whore I learned. She kissed me a few times then turned around & said "I just want to be friends" I told her no-way do you "date" me for a month, kiss me, cuddle with me then pull that crap. Last friday I ran into her in the caffeteria. they had donuts & cider. I grabbed one plus some trick or treat kits. She was VERY friendly to the point of getting so close it made me uncomfortable in the work place. I was keeping convo to a minimum but she followed me to the food line & picked up a plate for me for my breakfast pizza & followed me to the register. later that day she asked me if I needed a kitchen table. I told her I didn't & she just kept going on her way. strange. I put it together though. She was moving that weekend & i'm betting she thought if she acted like she was interested in me I would call her up like the other stupid males she leads on & then she could ask me to help her move. Serious. just one example of why trying to be just friends with women I asked out ends badly. However I will say I met these women when I was still overweight. Now that i'm in shape women either go out with me or reject me. They never try to be "just friends" Probably because they think I have other options & they can't attention whore me.
Mrlonelyone Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) Yeah, OP, picking them up, "binding" or restricting their motion in any way, not good. The hug from behind is not good on several fronts, in addition to previously posted, it makes you look weak and timid. One thing to try is to put gum in her hair when walking by to go to the bathroom. Then when you come back, say, "Is that gum in your hair? OMG" then you get to play with her hair while getting the gum out. Yeah dasein no one said anything about picking anyone up or binding them. What we have said is that at an appropriate moment....say walking together on a chilly autum night he should do this. http://jenniferechols.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/hug-from-behind.jpg This http://data.whicdn.com/images/3977682/tumblr_l8vhxyGFax1qagyjeo1_500_thumb.jpg Men even do it to eachother http://www.chinahush.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/20091029bearhug052.jpg I don't know WTH some of you think we are talking about here. If a man does one of the above to a woman and she does not react adversely then there is a good chance she has feelings of deep friendship and very possibly romance. While on the other hand if she reacts the way some women here imagine, like your a friend she's utterly unattracted to then you know. The whole point is to tell the OP how to cut through all the BS and know how the woman feels about him in no uncertain terms not to engage in a bunch of mincing around. Edited November 2, 2011 by Mrlonelyone
dasein Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 Yeah dasein no one said anything about picking anyone up or binding them. Never said you did, I added that myself for OP''s benefit, because some men get the idea that picking women up or "grabbing" them in certain ways is a good way to escalate touch and IMO it isn't. I want to make sure OP understands what is meant by being sexually assertive in an acceptable way and what is not. I agree with some of the women that until the touch barrier is breached, the hug from behind is not a good idea.
Author quietGuy13 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Posted November 2, 2011 "For instance, if she's lean & muscular I cannot be just friends with someone like that." You like muscular girls?? Interesting. I like sexy girls Anyways, Many girls seem to just like to hang out with many guys and keep them hanging but don't like boyfriends. Maybe that's why i see girls with Facebook pages and i see their friendlist full of guy friends. I think the Era of Women wanting boyfriends has died. Either, they dont want men at all, want men just as friends forever, or want just guys with benefits(something i don't do and wouldn't) My friend is maybe the kind that just wants company. Well it seems that's the case of most foreign girls. They're not here to date or marry. Some do but usually those that do are crazy partiers and they end up having sex in clubs so they stay in america.
Wolf18 Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 "For instance, if she's lean & muscular I cannot be just friends with someone like that." You like muscular girls?? Interesting. I like sexy girls Anyways, Many girls seem to just like to hang out with many guys and keep them hanging but don't like boyfriends. Maybe that's why i see girls with Facebook pages and i see their friendlist full of guy friends. I think the Era of Women wanting boyfriends has died. Either, they dont want men at all, want men just as friends forever, or want just guys with benefits(something i don't do and wouldn't) My friend is maybe the kind that just wants company. Well it seems that's the case of most foreign girls. They're not here to date or marry. Some do but usually those that do are crazy partiers and they end up having sex in clubs so they stay in america. Why "settle" for one or the other, say women? You can **** around that roided up 6 pack guido whose shirts always seem to be unbuttoned when your ovulating and then have an intelligent and thoughtful guy whose not as physically titiliating shower you with attention afterwards, without having to commit sex to the latter or emotion to the former. The solution is for men to protect their assets better.A guy whose passionate and intelligent has assets as great and important as a guy who spends all day trying to sculpt his abs. Make women choose, instead of giving them everything they want. I think women need both intellectual and physical stimulation to be content, the problem is men let them have both even if they themselves aren't getting what they're looking for in return. Don't give women who aren't attracted to you your humor and attention, unfortunately there's always some jackoff around the corner who will.
Mrlonelyone Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 ^this.. sort of. There is even peer reviewed research to back him up. http://www.mendeley.com/research/womens-fertility-across-cycle-increases-shortterm-attractiveness-creative-intelligence-compared-wealth/ Human Nature (2006) Volume: 17, Issue: 1, Pages: 50-73 ISSN: 10456767 DOI: 10.1007/s12110-006-1020-0 TL;DR: When at their peak fertility..women will choose poor men of proven creativity over steady but less creative men with more money. http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0004138 Preferences across the Menstrual Cycle for Masculinity and Symmetry in Photographs of Male Faces and Bodies TL;DR Women will choose more physically masculine men when they are at their menstrual peak. TL;DR These aren't just the annecdotes of bitter people. On an instinctive level women know they want to propogate the DNA of certain men. Physical strength and masculinity along with creativity and inteligence, regardless of wealth or "niceness" will attract women. That's why men who are as creative as prince, or as masculine as wilt chamberlin are so attractive to women.
phineas Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 "For instance, if she's lean & muscular I cannot be just friends with someone like that." You like muscular girls?? Interesting. I like sexy girls Anyways, Many girls seem to just like to hang out with many guys and keep them hanging but don't like boyfriends. Maybe that's why i see girls with Facebook pages and i see their friendlist full of guy friends. I think the Era of Women wanting boyfriends has died. Either, they dont want men at all, want men just as friends forever, or want just guys with benefits(something i don't do and wouldn't) My friend is maybe the kind that just wants company. Well it seems that's the case of most foreign girls. They're not here to date or marry. Some do but usually those that do are crazy partiers and they end up having sex in clubs so they stay in america. I LOVE women that look like this or close. http://personaltrainerz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/angelike2.jpg they don't even need a 6 pack. Just defined obliques & toned arms.
IrishCarBomb Posted November 2, 2011 Posted November 2, 2011 ^this.. sort of. There is even peer reviewed research to back him up. http://www.mendeley.com/research/womens-fertility-across-cycle-increases-shortterm-attractiveness-creative-intelligence-compared-wealth/ Human Nature (2006) Volume: 17, Issue: 1, Pages: 50-73 ISSN: 10456767 DOI: 10.1007/s12110-006-1020-0 TL;DR: When at their peak fertility..women will choose poor men of proven creativity over steady but less creative men with more money. http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0004138 Preferences across the Menstrual Cycle for Masculinity and Symmetry in Photographs of Male Faces and Bodies TL;DR Women will choose more physically masculine men when they are at their menstrual peak. TL;DR These aren't just the annecdotes of bitter people. On an instinctive level women know they want to propogate the DNA of certain men. Physical strength and masculinity along with creativity and inteligence, regardless of wealth or "niceness" will attract women. That's why men who are as creative as prince, or as masculine as wilt chamberlin are so attractive to women. You should read the articles. You may find them interesting.
dasein Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 I LOVE women that look like this or close. http://personaltrainerz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/angelike2.jpg they don't even need a 6 pack. Just defined obliques & toned arms. Looks kinda gristly to me, but make no mistake, I wouldn't hesitate. She has a great face.
phineas Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Looks kinda gristly to me, but make no mistake, I wouldn't hesitate. She has a great face. I dated a woman with a mid-section like the one I posted & i'd probably go insane trying to just be friends with any woman like that again. Ever since I got really lean myself I've been drawn to leaner women. women that never really interested me before because they had little boobs & no meat on their bones. Probably has something to do with how unhealthy I was before & just tending to shy away from women that I view as unhealthy.
dasein Posted November 3, 2011 Posted November 3, 2011 Well there's that special bended "piece" of fat on the hip/lower side of the abdomen, not really a "love handle" but that vicinity, that I like to grab and squeeze. I hold it in reserve until it's time ... the woman you posted doesn't have that, so don't know what I would grab as a substitute. I need a shower now. Hahaha
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