AHardDaysNight Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Okay, so we've had multiple threads now on here that have been against porn. Here is one that will support the three main supporting points for pornography: 1. Helps protect against STDs/unwanted pregnancy 2. Helps relieve sexual tension, when there is no form of a sexual relationship happening 3. Helps protect against cheating on your spouse How do these points stand? Point #1: Easily, if you're wanking off, and you don't have a real vagina to penetrate, you are not going to get an STD, give an STD, or get a virtual girl pregnant. This also helps you stay celibate, if you don't desire kids or want to hold off on getting intimate, and the porn fills that void. Point #2: A guy's mood can be improved through simple masturbation. I know that, sometimes when I'm tired or feeling down, getting off can make me feel happier. In that sense, porn is a great visual way to spark the imagination, and help ease sexual tension. Point #3: This must be said: Porn isn't cheating! You can't cheat with a computer, you can't **** a computer, you can't go on dates with a computer! Those girls are real, but they're not even touching you - you are touching you - so in that sense, if you are cheating with anybody, it's yourself, because those girls don't exist except in virtual la-la land! I do have to stress that, if someone looks at porn too much that it stands in or affects their ongoing relationship with a live girlfriend, well then you should cut out the porn. But porn in itself is not cheating...but it can fulfill that basic need that men have to have sex with every girl possible, by stimulating the imagination and making you stay faithful to your girlfriend/wife, all the while fulfilling that basic need. So basically, those are the three points. I want to have a debate, not an argument, over why I am either right or wrong in these points. I personally think that porn is very beneficial, and that there is nothing wrong with most of it.
akazid Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Production of endorphins ... good for anyone's health. Male or female.
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 You don't get to define what someone else regards as cheating. Just find someone who shares your views on porn, problem solved.
Author AHardDaysNight Posted October 31, 2011 Author Posted October 31, 2011 Production of endorphins ... good for anyone's health. Male or female. Well said. I remember some congresswoman once got up on the tv in the early 90's, and went into a rant about why masturbation was good for you. I also remember how they tore her apart in the media, despite a number of doctors and scientists supporting her views. Another thing that is beneficial about porn is this: #4: The really, really bad porn, the kind that you shouldn't be watching, is easy enough to sidestep or block. I know I don't like the sex with animals or the really sick stuff. I have seen it before, but that's just in passing. Easy enough to install a filter on your browser, put in "bestiality porn", and voila! It does not appear! Of course, I am a computer geek who installs all sorts of add ons that block java scripts that are potentially dangerous, and stuff like that. But some of this stuff is easy enough that a child could understand it.
CarrieT Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 It CAN be instructional. I remember when I saw my first DP porn in the early 70s; blew me away and something I never would have thought of...
Author AHardDaysNight Posted October 31, 2011 Author Posted October 31, 2011 You don't get to define what someone else regards as cheating. Just find someone who shares your views on porn, problem solved. Neither do you, or anybody else on this forum. What I find most mind boggling is that on the social anxiety forum I belong to, many people on there who are in relationships admit to porn use, and nobody bats an eye or calls it cheating. I come here, and every week there's a new thread on "OMGODZ He's looking at porn and he must be cheating blah blah blah!" And everyone goes into an anti-pornography rant. Look, I've met plenty of women who admit to looking at or buying porn. Roughly 25% or 20% of the porn watching public (forget where I saw those figures, but I didn't just pull them out of thin air) are female. Surely they don't regard pornography in the same strange tones that I see on here? Loveshack has great advice, usually, but the anti-pornography rants are ridiculous! I'm just trying to offer support for the other side, the voiceless that usually get overpowered by the "rawr down with porn!" crowd.
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Neither do you, or anybody else on this forum. I'm not starting threads telling people what I think they should think cheating is or not is. It differs from person to person ---- some people don't think "flirting" is cheating, others do. Some people don't believe in "emotional affairs", others do. On and on and on. None of your points require pornography. Perhaps your third point would help *you* not to cheat, but it helps others to want to cheat --- also, have you even tested your third point? Hm? Loveshack has great advice, usually, but the anti-pornography rants are ridiculous! I'm just trying to offer support for the other side, the voiceless that usually get overpowered by the "rawr down with porn!" crowd. Many people are on "the other side" --- a lot of it is based in their own twisted guilt etc, and they're vehement about trying to get others to believe they're the freaks if they don't like porn etc --- but whatevs. It's just what I've noticed at least
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 It CAN be instructional. I remember when I saw my first DP porn in the early 70s; blew me away and something I never would have thought of... It can be. Years ago I watched a few sex videos for educational purposes --- namely Tantra and Kama sutra. I didn't get off to the videos, I was too eager to try some of the things out I purchased a few books too, depicting positions and techniques etc, but admittedly some were less confusing when watched "in action".
Author AHardDaysNight Posted October 31, 2011 Author Posted October 31, 2011 I'm not starting threads telling people what I think they should think cheating is or not is. It differs from person to person ---- some people don't think "flirting" is cheating, others do. Some people don't believe in "emotional affairs", others do. On and on and on. None of your points require pornography. Perhaps your third point would help *you* not to cheat, but it helps others to want to cheat --- also, have you even tested your third point? Hm? Fine, but that doesn't mean that every single thread on pornography has to become insulting to the men and women who enjoy watching it. Like Carrie said, it can be instructional...and to those who are single, it can keep them from going completely insane! Meh, I'm not saying that your views are surprising. I already knew you were anti-porn, and you view porn as cheating. You've stated that in every single thread that goes down this path. Many people are on "the other side" --- a lot of it is based in their own twisted guilt etc, and they're vehement about trying to get others to believe they're the freaks if they don't like porn etc --- but whatevs. It's just what I've noticed at least That's not what I said. But generally, pro-porn posters tend to get ripped to shreds on here, so I'm just offering a thread where we can discuss - rationally - why we support porn, and why we think it's a good idea for people to not feel guilty for watching it. Where is somedude? We need another male voice in here. Where is alphamale?
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Fine, but that doesn't mean that every single thread on pornography has to become insulting to the men and women who enjoy watching it. Like Carrie said, it can be instructional...and to those who are single, it can keep them from going completely insane! Meh, I'm not saying that your views are surprising. I already knew you were anti-porn, and you view porn as cheating. You've stated that in every single thread that goes down this path. That's not what I said. But generally, pro-porn posters tend to get ripped to shreds on here, so I'm just offering a thread where we can discuss - rationally - why we support porn, and why we think it's a good idea for people to not feel guilty for watching it. Where is somedude? We need another male voice in here. Where is alphamale? You realize there's a little bit of good in everything if you look hard enough, right? Even cigarettes have *some* benefits --- do those benefits outweigh the cons? Are there even BETTER ways to derive the few benefits that cigarettes offer? Porn. Do the benefits outweigh the cons? Are there even BETTER ways to derive the few benefits that it offers? It also depends on several things --- such as the frequency of viewing, the type of material, etc. In the end, you just need to find someone who shares your mentality on porn. It's really a **** industry, regardless --- people make the most profit on people's vulnerabilities and needs, and it sucks to support that (or enable weak and broken people), but so be it.
Pierre Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Most porn is boring because there is no story line. The real deal is always better than porn. Porn can become an addiction. Wives of porn addicts suffer a lot.
Yamaha Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 I know this thread is for porn proponents but I would still like to express my view as a man. I see porn as having a compulsive or addictive nature. The addiction component is the desire and need to keep coming back for more and more pornographic images. Many people's use of porn causes an escalation for more explicit, rougher, and more deviant images for the same sexual effect. People become desensitized to events once viewed as shocking or taboo. They are now seen as acceptable or commonplace. The more you watch porn the more people want to act out behaviors viewed, including exhibitionism, sadistic/masochistic sex, group sex, rape, or sex with minor children. In studies related to porn 90% of the men and 77% of the women indicated that viewing pornography played a significant role in their addiction. You may not have these problems but there are people who drink there whole lives and never become an alcoholic while others do become addicted. By viewing porn they may become affected and even addicted and pour money into web sites and miss work to watch porn for hours. To say it causes no harm is not factual by any means ( even if you are not affected ).
norajane Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Okay, so we've had multiple threads now on here that have been against porn. Here is one that will support the three main supporting points for pornography: 1. Helps protect against STDs/unwanted pregnancy 2. Helps relieve sexual tension, when there is no form of a sexual relationship happening 3. Helps protect against cheating on your spouse Those seem like arguments for masturbation, not porn. They are not synonymous, and you don't need porn to masturbate.
norajane Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) I remember some congresswoman once got up on the tv in the early 90's, and went into a rant about why masturbation was good for you. I also remember how they tore her apart in the media, despite a number of doctors and scientists supporting her views. That was Dr. Jocelyn Elders, she was the US Surgeon General, and she answered a question from the audience at the United Nations conference on AIDS, where she had been invited to speak. She was forced to resign as Surgeon General for that comment, and her other views on drugs, contraceptives and abortion. Another thing that is beneficial about porn is this: #4: The really, really bad porn, the kind that you shouldn't be watching, is easy enough to sidestep or block. I know I don't like the sex with animals or the really sick stuff. I have seen it before, but that's just in passing. Easy enough to install a filter on your browser, put in "bestiality porn", and voila! It does not appear! Yes, however it exists because people DO watch it. You think that's bad? That's probably why they like watching it. Because it's bad, and that's dirty and gets them off. If you think some kinds of porn are bad, then you must be able to understand how other people might think the kind of porn you, or others, watch is bad too. Edited October 31, 2011 by norajane
Author AHardDaysNight Posted October 31, 2011 Author Posted October 31, 2011 That was Dr. Jocelyn Elders, she was the US Surgeon General, and she answered a question from the audience at the United Nations conference on AIDS, where she had been invited to speak. She was forced to resign as Surgeon General for that comment, and her other views on drugs, contraceptives and abortion. Yeah, I remember the resignation. I thought it was unnecessary. Yes, however it exists because people DO watch it. You think that's bad? That's probably why they like watching it. Because it's bad, and that's dirty and gets them off. If you think some kinds of porn are bad, then you must be able to understand how other people might think the kind of porn you, or others, watch is bad too. Yeah, I understand that. But I just don't get the sweeping generalizations. An example is the thread where I said that I sometimes put a hot girl as my wallpaper...suddenly I'm immature? I dislike bestiality, because I am an animal rights advocate, and I don't like seeing animals abused. Yeah, they appear to be enjoying themselves...but who's to say that, except the animals? They have to have a voice, and they can't speak for themselves and state that they enjoy the sex acts being performed on them! I guess what I view as dirty is different than others. Dirty to me is maybe light bondage, facials, blowjobs, foot related stuff, etc. All consensual stuff, too. I just don't understand the other stuff, and view it as sick...but I'm sure someone out there will view a facial as sick. So be it.
ptp Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Yes!!!! Finally I am going to get in on one of these 20 page long threads on the ground floor:bunny:. I don't particularly have a strong view either way and at risk of getting on Onxy's bad side I will post this. Here is some food for thought (couldn't think of a clever porn-y way to say it:laugh:): The arrival of the internet caused a large decline in both the pecuniary and non-pecuniary costs of accessing pornography. Using state-level panel data from 1998-2003, I find that the arrival of the internet was associated with a reduction in rape incidence. However, growth in internet usage had no apparent effect on other crimes. Moreover, when I disaggregate the rape data by offender age, I find that the effect of the internet on rape is concentrated among those for whom the internet-induced fall in the non-pecuniary price of pornography was the largest – men ages 15-19, who typically live with their parents. These results, which suggest that pornography and rape are substitutes, are in contrast with most previous literature. However, earlier population-level studies do not control adequately for many omitted variables, including the age distribution of the population, and most laboratory studies simply do not allow for potential substitutability between pornography and rape. As we all know correlation doesn't imply causation so take it for what it's worth.
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 But I just don't get the sweeping generalizations. An example is the thread where I said that I sometimes put a hot girl as my wallpaper...suddenly I'm immature? It's typical of teenage boys or older males who are......... Yes. Do you have paper posters on your walls of such too? heh ...
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) Yes!!!! Finally I am going to get in on one of these 20 page long threads on the ground floor:bunny:. I don't particularly have a strong view either way and at risk of getting on Onxy's bad side I will post this. Here is some food for thought (couldn't think of a clever porn-y way to say it:laugh:): As we all know correlation doesn't imply causation so take it for what it's worth. You just want to see me get emo on you. I know what you're up to :cool: But I'm really only concerned with accuracy either way. It doesn't have to support my beliefs if my beliefs are wrong. Now, with that said, I don't think there's a common correlation but it has likely influenced some occurrences (or lack there of ---- as have other things. It's too difficult to judge when several rape accounts go untold and other ones are contrived etc). It makes sense in the way that a person can become dependent upon porn and not want to actually touch someone else and or be touched by someone else ... but still, different outcomes for different people. Some people will need to move beyond the crazy porn they've degraded into and taste "reality". Neither sound healthy nor sound to me ... porn shouldn't have to be used in order for men not to rape others either, wtf... Edited October 31, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall
Author AHardDaysNight Posted October 31, 2011 Author Posted October 31, 2011 Why do you say things that are argumentative and then put a smiley of a tongue sticking out? Are you serious, or not? The only poster I have of a woman like that is one of Christina Aguilera. And I happen to be a fan of her music...and that was a limited tour poster, not made anymore. I had female friends come over, and they said nothing about it. Frankly, a bunch of women on a random message board thinking I'm "immature", or whatever, doesn't really bother me. I love women's bodies, and a nude portrait can be a work of art. It doesn't necessarily need to be porn. Just like women appreciate the naked male form, I appreciate the female form...and that doesn't make me immature, any more than it would make a woman immature for looking at a man and appreciating his body. Anyway, back to porn: I think porn has gotten much, much worse over the past decade. It's gotten more...violent. The porn I was raised on wasn't that violent...I remember just really corny plotlines, one that I remember quite vividly of a bunch of warriors battling some alien monster that came down from Mars (was it the Scifi porn channel, lol!), and having sex in between killing the alien monsters. That kind of porn is goofy, but not really scary. Nowadays, I see banners of women getting gangbanged, bukkake, choked, and violated. That's not the kind of porn I'm talking about; I tend to stay away from that filth.
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Why do you say things that are argumentative and then put a smiley of a tongue sticking out? Are you serious, or not? That face bears multiple meanings :mad: The only poster I have of a woman like that is one of Christina Aguilera. And I happen to be a fan of her music...and that was a limited tour poster, not made anymore. I had female friends come over, and they said nothing about it. Guys are often in the dark as to why they've been friend-zoned :X --- and I think it's rare for a female to divulge her reasons as to why. It's just a part of some people's screening process (at least later on heh). Regardless, it's still best to be true to who you are. And to find the one who resonates with you the most (and with whom you resonate with the most --- or at least, really really well).
oaks Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Okay, so we've had multiple threads now on here that have been against porn. Here is one that will support the three main supporting points for pornography: 1. Helps protect against STDs/unwanted pregnancy 2. Helps relieve sexual tension, when there is no form of a sexual relationship happening 3. Helps protect against cheating on your spouse How do these points stand? Point #1: Easily, if you're wanking off, and you don't have a real vagina to penetrate, you are not going to get an STD, give an STD, or get a virtual girl pregnant. This also helps you stay celibate, if you don't desire kids or want to hold off on getting intimate, and the porn fills that void. Porn actors get STDs and pregnant, so I don't see your argument as being entirely watertight here. Ok, so you won't catch anything or impregnate anyone, but saying that it's okay because the bad things only happen to other people is never going to put you in the best position for arguing in favour of porn.
Author AHardDaysNight Posted October 31, 2011 Author Posted October 31, 2011 Porn stars also regularly get tested for STDs, and many of them don't catch STDs. So I don't see the argument there.
Author AHardDaysNight Posted October 31, 2011 Author Posted October 31, 2011 That face bears multiple meanings :mad: Yeah, but most of the time someone on an internet forum puts a smiley when they're joking. At least I do. That's what confused me. Guys are often in the dark as to why they've been friend-zoned :X --- and I think it's rare for a female to divulge her reasons as to why. It's just a part of some people's screening process (at least later on heh). Regardless, it's still best to be true to who you are. And to find the one who resonates with you the most (and with whom you resonate with the most --- or at least, really really well). Are you somehow saying that liking Christina Aguilera's music somehow makes me get friendzoned? Most of my posters are of rock musicians. So I like a pop star, so what? If you're saying that I should find someone who doesn't mind that I like her music, that's fine, but I didn't buy it because her boobies were hanging out! I looked on ebay, saw "limited tour poster", and thought "cool!" It's also hanging behind glass, and backed by posterboard, so not exactly tacked to my wall like I was in a dorm room.
Queen Zenobia Posted October 31, 2011 Posted October 31, 2011 Porn stars also regularly get tested for STDs, and many of them don't catch STDs. So I don't see the argument there. There have been many STD and HIV problems (especially recently) in the porn industry. It's far from a "clean" occupation. But, then again, the same could be said of being a garbage man. That being said, the anti-porn crusade displayed in threads on LS is no different than the prohibition crusade waged in the early part of the 20th century. Both were/are overly dramatic.
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