Tony T Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 A study has shown that men get depressed during economic downturns and are more likely to cheat on their wives to raise their spirits. I didn't make this up! Go here (Sorry for the advertisement but no way to bypass it): http://lifeinc.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/23/8454094-cheating-may-be-on-rise-in-tough-times
Author Tony T Posted October 23, 2011 Author Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) I bet women do as well. The study did not address women. Personal opinions or "bets" are not scientific enough for evidence. However, that's a possibility. Do you ever say anything nice about women....don't answer here...that would be off topic??? Edited October 23, 2011 by a LoveShack.org Moderator
Lucky_One Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 I bet women do as well. Sorry, Woggle. "According to Gillath, men are motivated to seek more sexual partners in a threatening economic environment as a result. Gillath also says his findings hold true for men, but not women. ScienceDaily quotes him as saying: “In low survivability conditions, we think that men would be more apt to pursue sex outside of a monogamous relationship, looking for ways to spread their genes. … The economy today is giving us signs that we have lower chances of survival. … It’s like living on the savannah and discovering you don’t have enough fruit and the animals are scarce.” Read more: http://moneyland.time.com/2011/10/19/is-your-partner-cheating-then-blame-the-economy/#ixzz1bd4A05ad" You know, sometimes if someone presents an idea, it can be a good idea to look into it and examine it before making glib statements or automatically agreeing or disagreeing with it.
carhill Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Our psychologist opined that it is common for difficult periods (an economic downturn, loss of job, etc, on that particular front) to either bring couples closer together or tear them apart. It takes two to 'cleave'. If one is reaching out, gender neutral, and their partner/spouse isn't there, the love which they shared formerly is now cut off from them. TBH, I've seen this with both men and women, and experienced it myself, and don't have a strong opinion on which gender 'does it' more, but I will agree with the opinion of our psychologist. It would be interesting to go back and examine, if it were possible, the Great Depression and how that affected social dynamics in this realm. That was the last real sweeping and damaging social and financial downturn in the US. My personal data points (meaning the experiences and anecdotes of my grandparents and similar aged people at that time) are mixed, so inconclusive even within their small subset. I do, however, see that even unhealthy M's are much more likely to continue if there is sufficient money to throw at that unhealthiness. It's like a pain reliever. A perhaps intolerable situation with enough 'relief' can be tolerable, though the propensity for infidelity in such situations has proven to be marked, from the sample of M's I'm personally aware of.
OpenBook Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Shoot, so many of them cheat regardless of what the economy is doing. In fact, I thought I read a study a couple years ago that said men were cheating more during the peak BECAUSE they were making so much money. Maybe it was about the Wall Street traders or something. (And to be fair, Woggle speaks glowingly about his W, who is really the only chick that matters in his case.)
nyrias2 Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Shoot, so many of them cheat regardless of what the economy is doing. In fact, I thought I read a study a couple years ago that said men were cheating more during the peak BECAUSE they were making so much money. Maybe it was about the Wall Street traders or something. (And to be fair, Woggle speaks glowingly about his W, who is really the only chick that matters in his case.) That is not inconsistent with this finding. It is very possible that men cheat more at the peak AND at the bottom, compared to the average economy. Certainly may be a DIFFERENT subset of men are doing the cheating. But this shows a very good point. Incentives and social economical factors matter. It is not really just a case of whether someone has integrity at all times.
bentnotbroken Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 That is not inconsistent with this finding. It is very possible that men cheat more at the peak AND at the bottom, compared to the average economy. Certainly may be a DIFFERENT subset of men are doing the cheating. But this shows a very good point. Incentives and social economical factors matter. It is not really just a case of whether someone has integrity at all times. If you have integrity, you have it no matter what economic climate one lives in. If you won't cheat.....you won't cheat. If you need an excuse...any ole excuse will do. Times are hard..so am I. Times are good...look me up.
East7 Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 The study is full of uncertain words like "Men are keen to/ possibly can cheat etc" there is nothing accurate in it. Frankly if the economy is responsible for people's integrity then everything else might be a cause, an hurricane may make men cheat to relieve the stress, or full moon, or they cheat more now with Obama than when it was Bush...Maybe Scorpios cheat more than Leos.. please... A person who has decided to cheat, will cheat no matter what is going on in the world.
sadcalifornian Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Well, I think the common belief is that men tend to cheat when they are financial successful as they feel entitled. Women seem to cheat more based on some other factors.
michelangelo Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 If you have integrity, you have it no matter what economic climate one lives in. If you won't cheat.....you won't cheat. If you need an excuse...any ole excuse will do. Times are hard..so am I. Times are good...look me up. So rare to find in most men nowadays. And it's so much more common in women? I don't buy it. Neither gender has a lock on integrity.
alphamale Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 A study has shown that men get depressed during economic downturns and are more likely to cheat on their wives to raise their spirits. I didn't make this up! Logically I would thinkt that if their wives are supporting the men partially or fully then they would tend to cheat less when economic times are hard. Actually divorce filings have gone down in the past three years.
bentnotbroken Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 And it's so much more common in women? I don't buy it. Neither gender has a lock on integrity. I only commented about men because that is what the study spoke of. I totally agree no gender has a lock on integrity.
Lucky_One Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Actually divorce filings have gone down in the past three years. True. People can't afford to divorce and support two households. So, hey - a guy might as well cheat if he knows that his wife can't afford to leave.
nofool4u Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 (edited) You know, sometimes if someone presents an idea, it can be a good idea to look into it and examine it before making glib statements [/left] uh, thats why he said he "bets" women do as well. you know, a guess? nothing glib about what he said. and anyone's "findings" in a vague "study" does not a fact make Edited October 24, 2011 by nofool4u
2long Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 I find studies like this rather funny. Because regardless of why a man cheats and rationalizes his reasons for cheating, presumably a woman is cheating with him and dragging that generalization about why women cheat along with her. Unless a significant number of men are gay or cheating with the same woman. Because a single woman in an affair with a married man is also a cheat. -ol' 2long
nyrias2 Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 If you have integrity, you have it no matter what economic climate one lives in. If you won't cheat.....you won't cheat. If you need an excuse...any ole excuse will do. Times are hard..so am I. Times are good...look me up. In that case, since this study CLEARLY demonstrates that social economical factors have an effect, people, who change over, have no integrity by your definition. Which is not surprising. Statistics posted before has shown a large fraction of people cheat, and up to ~70% will if they are not caught. I guess all 70% wil have no integrity in your eyes. That is not surprising though. Integrity is obviously not a evolution favored trait.
bentnotbroken Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 In that case, since this study CLEARLY demonstrates that social economical factors have an effect, people, who change over, have no integrity by your definition. Which is not surprising. Statistics posted before has shown a large fraction of people cheat, and up to ~70% will if they are not caught. I guess all 70% wil have no integrity in your eyes. That is not surprising though. Integrity is obviously not a evolution favored trait. Of course I view it as no integrity. I also think evolution only plays a part in our lives, we still have to own our choices....{this is where the integrity part comes in.}
reboot Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 70% of people might jump off a cliff, doesn't mean I'm going to.
nofool4u Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 I find studies like this rather funny. Because regardless of why a man cheats and rationalizes his reasons for cheating, presumably a woman is cheating with him and dragging that generalization about why women cheat along with her. exactly. if a man cheats and exhibits tasteless character, then there is a woman right there with him exhibiting tasteless character.
Sparta8 Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 Married 1984. 1985: 20 % drop in my income when went to new job. No affair by wife. Marriage was new, and wife did not travel for work. 1990: I was laid off, and bought a business shortly thereafter. Wife thought my income would drop 50%. Wife traveled for work. Wife began affair 2 to 4 months later. New business did well, my income doubled by the following year. Affair ended within 5 months after 4 meetings between them. (I learned of affair 17 years later.) 2007: My income dropped by 35 % due to loss of 2 accounts. Wife began new affair about 10 weeks after she realized the amount of income drop. Wife ended affair after 2 months. My income quickly rose again. All a coincidence? My wife has never admitted the temporary drops in my income might have had something to do with the affairs, but................
nofool4u Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 I find studies like this rather funny. Because regardless of why a man cheats and rationalizes his reasons for cheating, presumably a woman is cheating with him and dragging that generalization about why women cheat along with her. Unless a significant number of men are gay or cheating with the same woman. Because a single woman in an affair with a married man is also a cheat. -ol' 2long to add, it would be like saying, most men rob banks, the women involved JUST drove the getaway car. as if it absolves them somehow.
nyrias2 Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 Of course I view it as no integrity. I also think evolution only plays a part in our lives, we still have to own our choices....{this is where the integrity part comes in.} You talk as if we have 100% free will. Scientifically, it is shown that people are easily manipulated and prone to respond to the environment. For example, this paper shows an experiment where you can get subjects to invest more by manipulating the sense of "status". http://spq.sagepub.com/content/67/1/103.short Behavior towards infidelity is no difference. ON AVERAGE, people respond to environmental factors.
nyrias2 Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 70% of people might jump off a cliff, doesn't mean I'm going to. So? The discussion is not about YOU. It is about population (or male population) in general. If 70% of people may jump off cliff, it would be a health crisis and deserve discussions despite you won't be one of them.
reboot Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 "There are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics" - Mark Twain You can prove, or disprove most anything with numbers if you're smart enough to manipulate them correctly. Regardless, a set of numbers does not define me. My point is simply, no matter what a statistic proves, or disproves, it doesn't make that thing right, or wrong, and there's little point in throwing them around as if they mean anything important socially or morally. Numbers mean something when you use them to decide if we need more paved roads here, or more gas stations there, but they can never prove that things like cheating are right or wrong.
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