Andy_K Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Averaged sized & muscular can mean almost anything. Post pics and I'll say which is hottest
Author eerie_reverie Posted October 23, 2011 Author Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) Ignoring face, makeup, and outfit: "average" athletic skinny can be a thinner version of sundude's example. I think we all know what petite is Edited October 23, 2011 by eerie_reverie
Andy_K Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Ignoring face, makeup, and outfit: "average" athletic She's hot. I would definitely choose a girl with a figure like that over a skinny girl that doesn't exercise. Not only because she looks better now, but anyone dedicated enough to exercise to look like that is still going to have a firm body in 10 years time, whereas the skinny girl will age much worse.
Imajerk17 Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Ignoring face, makeup, and outfit: "average" athletic skinny can be a thinner version of sundude's example. I think we all know what petite is I agree w/ Andy K. Also, girls who look like that tend to have rings on their fingers. Maybe that is an indicator of something....
zengirl Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 She's hot. I would definitely choose a girl with a figure like that over a skinny girl that doesn't exercise. Not only because she looks better now, but anyone dedicated enough to exercise to look like that is still going to have a firm body in 10 years time, whereas the skinny girl will age much worse. I disagree with this premise, based on the folks my mom's age I've seen. The ones who were gym rats in their 20s and 30s aren't once they've been married a couple decades and raised some kids. (This is true for the men, too, so not just a woman thing.) Granted, who knows what this generation will do. The women who were thin (naturally---not the "don't eat" variety, which I cannot think of anyone over 30 who I know who goes that way) are still pretty thin. They've gained a dress size or so, as they aged, like my Mom (she is now a size 4, and that's after gaining a dress size), but they're still the thinnest of the pack. Unless someone has a major life change, your metabolism doesn't go completely out of whack with where it is; everyone's slows down but those with high metabolisms are still high metabolisms for their age, just a slight slower version of high. The women who get fat are the women who had to diet and exercise to stay thin in the first place. YMMV. Which is, again, not to say anyone with a high metabolism doesn't do those things to some degree. And I'd call the girl in sumdude's picture muscular for her frame; problem is he didn't accept the original premise that thin girls can't also be muscular, which is a flaw built into the OP's question. That's about how muscular a naturally thin girl could get without major protein supplements or steroids. She just happens to be BOTH naturally thin and muscular.
Chocolat Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 And I'd call the girl in sumdude's picture muscular for her frame; problem is he didn't accept the original premise that thin girls can't also be muscular, which is a flaw built into the OP's question. That's about how muscular a naturally thin girl could get without major protein supplements or steroids. She just happens to be BOTH naturally thin and muscular. I have to disagree with this. The girl in sumdude's pic is not at all muscular, imo. And it's plenty possible to be thin and muscular -- I know, because I am exactly that! Most people see me as "toned," but all "tone" is having muscle and low enough bodyfat for it to be visible. And, just for the record, I've never gone near a steroid.
zengirl Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 I have to disagree with this. The girl in sumdude's pic is not at all muscular, imo. And it's plenty possible to be thin and muscular -- I know, because I am exactly that! Most people see me as "toned," but all "tone" is having muscle and low enough bodyfat for it to be visible. And, just for the record, I've never gone near a steroid. Depends on the frame. What people consider thin varies. I'm talking about body frames, so I'm going by the smallest wrist size, not dress size. That girl looks like she's about the smallest wrist size to me, and she's got toned abs and arms. She's just not flexing. Plenty of "thin" girls (in terms of dress sizes) are toned, yes, but they don't have the smallest sized/thinnest frames. Neither do I, frankly, and I'm a size 2 and never been larger---most people would consider me very thin. However, while I do have a reasonably thin frame, it's not the thinnest. There are girls with frames thinner than me that are bigger than me, of course. When you talk about thin, there's a combination of the frame size and what you put on it (fat, muscle, etc) at work. That girl is muscular for her frame, I think. (Of course, most girls with her frame wouldn't need to work out, but she definitely does or you wouldn't see ab lines at all.) YMMV, of course.
Stockalone Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 If you find her body too muscular, I'm curious what you DO find attractive? Someone with absolutely NO tone?? She simply is too buff/athletic for my taste. As far as I am concerned, women really don't need muscle tone. Plenty of women have muscles without them being so defined that it's that obvious. But I am pretty sure that women who are as fit as Jessica Biel have no trouble finding a man who thinks she is hot. Most guys thought I was nuts to turn down the few women (all of them athletic) who asked me out. To illustrate what I find attractive. I like women with body types ranging from the woman in the middle to the one on the right (or bigger as long as it's proportionate).
grkBoy Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 I like both, but obesity for me is usually a turn off. Even then, I'll still date a bonna-fide "curvy" woman if I found her attractive. It's the ones with cellulite, beer belly, oversized butt...basically 50-100 pounds overweight that I don't get into. I get tired of when the "BBW" women keep trying to pretend they're "average" or "curvy". I also think men who are "big" also need to stop saying they're "average". I've dated skinny, athletic, average, and curvy. All have beauty in my eyes.
blueskyday Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Interesting thread. Good insight into what guys find attractive. I am petite, slender, with a small waist and curvy hips. Since I'm a dancer, I have good strong body and feel firm, but I'm also soft and feminine. I've always been thin, and as I've gotten older I've stayed thin. So I agree with the poster who said women who are naturally thin when they are younger, usually stay that way. Women who have to diet and exercise a whole bunch to stay thin usually gain weight as they get older and revert back to their normal body. I always wished I was bigger, with bigger boobs and a larger body, but fortunately I attract the guys who like my body type. I probably wouldn't be attractive to a guy who likes different, and that's okay. Really, all of us women are gorgeous in our own way, just like you men. I've liked men with all different body types, because so much goes into attraction for me. Still, it's very interesting to find out what you guys like I am enjoying the pics, too...
carhill Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Here's a , reflective of my age group, of how I would envision average size/muscular. Chita was around 50 when that was filmed. Now translate that to and see the results.
Star Gazer Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 And I'd call the girl in sumdude's picture muscular for her frame; problem is he didn't accept the original premise that thin girls can't also be muscular, which is a flaw built into the OP's question. That's about how muscular a naturally thin girl could get without major protein supplements or steroids. She just happens to be BOTH naturally thin and muscular. I think you and sumdude are the only folks who find his link to be muscular... I'm honestly straight up confused how she could be deemed muscular under any definition of the word. She's not. That girl doesn't look like she's worked out a day in her life, there's absolutely no muscle tone there. She's just naturally slender.
SWAN808 Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Im really attracted to slim but toned/fit girls. I dont like a bigger build with or without muscle...and any masculinity in it is a instant turn-off. However I do think its possible for women to have some muscle definition but still be feminine... One Im particularly fond of is Jelena Abbou. To be honest tho - I think its a slight fetish and in real life I'd prefer my women a bit softer...
Star Gazer Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Plenty of women have muscles without them being so defined that it's that obvious. Every human being has muscles otherwise their bodies wouldn't function. However, if a woman is reasonably fit/healthy and exercises regularly, she's going to have more visible muscle definition than the women you find attractive. Honestly. So, in terms of searching for your ideal woman, I'd avoid the gym, yoga/pilates studios, running tracks, surfers, skiers, etc., etc., and probably stick to those who exercise their arms by knitting or turning pages of romance novels.
EasyHeart Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Of the pix posted in this thread, I think the one sumdude posted is by far the most attractive and represents the body-type of the women I tend to date. I generally like petite, small-framed women. That's probably because I have a pretty small frame for a man and I don't tend to be attracted to women that I perceive to be "bigger" than me. SG is right that I wouldn't kick Jessica Biel out of my bed, but that's because she is a movie star and not really representative of women most of us meet in real life. She is nowhere on my list of celebrity crushes, and I've never understood why some men think she is particularly attractive (though she's prettier than 98% of the women I've ever met in real life). I think this topic is interesting, but ultimately it's fruitless. I'm generally not going to be attracted to "beefier" women, but that's okay because there are plenty of beefy guys who probably are. There is nothing that any of us can do about our frame size or our metabolism, which dictates the bulk of how we look. All we can do is make the best of what we have. One thing I notice in the gym is that not a lot of people exercise against their type, which I think is the best thing for people to do for both health and appearance. "Skinny" people (ectomorphs) need to hit the weights and cut down on the chronic cardio and "beefy" people (endomorphs) need to cut back on the weights and emphasize cardio and diet.
Author eerie_reverie Posted October 23, 2011 Author Posted October 23, 2011 Every human being has muscles otherwise their bodies wouldn't function. However, if a woman is reasonably fit/healthy and exercises regularly, she's going to have more visible muscle definition than the women you find attractive. Honestly. So, in terms of searching for your ideal woman, I'd avoid the gym, yoga/pilates studios, running tracks, surfers, skiers, etc., etc., and probably stick to those who exercise their arms by knitting or turning pages of romance novels. Different strokes for different folks. I am actually not surprised by Stockalone's response.
Author eerie_reverie Posted October 23, 2011 Author Posted October 23, 2011 BTW - I know that it is possible to be muscular AND small. I think Jessica Biel is actually a great example (and my ideal body type). I set this question up as a false dichotomy to try to gauge whether men value fitness for its own sake, or whether it's the underlying size that's the sole criteria for attraction. And this thread is not meant to bring anyone down. Obviously, different people prefer different things.
make me believe Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Oh my gosh, I find almost all of the women linked to in this thread WAY too muscular/masculine. I generally find Jessica Biel too masculine looking, like in the picture Stockalone linked to. Her upper body is too broad and hard looking. I don't like very visible muscles on women. A bit of tone in the arms/legs is good, but any more than that just looks too manly IMO.
Author eerie_reverie Posted October 23, 2011 Author Posted October 23, 2011 I disagree with this premise, based on the folks my mom's age I've seen. The ones who were gym rats in their 20s and 30s aren't once they've been married a couple decades and raised some kids. (This is true for the men, too, so not just a woman thing.) Granted, who knows what this generation will do. The women who were thin (naturally---not the "don't eat" variety, which I cannot think of anyone over 30 who I know who goes that way) are still pretty thin. They've gained a dress size or so, as they aged, like my Mom (she is now a size 4, and that's after gaining a dress size), but they're still the thinnest of the pack. Based on my observations, the women with the best bodies are the ones who continually hit the gym - hard - as they get older. I see women like this at the gym every morning and they are a continual inspiration to me. IMO without some kind of exercise, it is just a choice between fat and skinny-fat past middle age.
EasyHeart Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 I set this question up as a false dichotomy to try to gauge whether men value fitness for its own sake, or whether it's the underlying size that's the sole criteria for attraction.I think it's both. I don't really care about how far a woman can run or how much she can squat. When I meet her, I notice her face and body and all I care about is whether the primal part of my brain wants to **** her. But when it comes to long-term compatibility, I have a hard time believing I could have a LTR with someone who does not live a healthy lifestyle. I exercise regularly and am careful about (some would say "obsessed with") nutrition. I have dated women who think going to the gym is a luxury and "lucky" (it's not luck, it's selecting priorities), and women who think rice cakes and Lean Cuisine are healthy. That doesn't work for me. Not because the women are fat (they're not!!!), but because I don't want to hear them whining because I go to the gym after work or giving me grief because I eat grass-fed meat and get excited when I cook up a nice pile of swiss chard. I think that peoples' attitudes towards exercise and nutrition are a very important part of their lifestyle, and I think peoples' lifestyles need to be compatible in order to have a successful relationship.
Stockalone Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Every human being has muscles otherwise their bodies wouldn't function. However, if a woman is reasonably fit/healthy and exercises regularly, she's going to have more visible muscle definition than the women you find attractive. Not necessarily. I don't have a problem with muscle mass, but rather with her muscle definition. Jessica Biel either wants to be that toned and works hard for that look, or her preferred workout routine creates that look. Not every woman who works out has as defined muscles as Jessica Biel or comes even close. Not even some female athletes. Jessica Biel's body fat percentage is low, which makes it more prominent. Also, actresses have to work out too (or so I am told), and most of them don't look like her either. To give you some names. Actresses/Celebrities I find attractive would include women like Anne Hathaway, Eva Green, Jennifer Love Hewitt, Kim Kardashian, Martine McCutcheon, Kat Dennings. Honestly. So, in terms of searching for your ideal woman, I'd avoid the gym, yoga/pilates studios, running tracks, surfers, skiers, etc., etc., and probably stick to those who exercise their arms by knitting or turning pages of romance novels. You forgot those who exercise their arms by cooking and cleaning... I agree with you insofar as women who really are into endurance sports are not for me, as their body type will reflect their chosen sport. The athletic, runner type is not my cup of tea.
Nexus One Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) I agree with the standpoint that women don't need muscle tone, but that up to a certain level it can be beautiful. Men will quickly associate muscularity with masculinity and for most men that is a turn off. There's a reason why men like women and the reason is that they're feminine. When a woman pushes it beyond a certain level when working out, then she'll decrease the feminine look of her body in the eyes of men. Some amount of muscle tone/definition is ok and can be beautiful. I wouldn't recommend women to push it beyond the following levels of muscle tone: http://bit.ly/nTpLD8 Edited October 23, 2011 by Nexus One
carhill Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 At the same time though I did love Linda Hamilton in T2. http://celebrityfitnesstraining.com/...-terminator-2/ Carhill would she have been too masculine for you? Actually, Linda in T2 would be a better approximation of the lean muscled look my exW's best friend had. Thanks. My personal preference is Linda more like she was with Michael in T1, and this picture exemplifies both her 'look' and how it juxtaposes to Michael's 'masculine' muscling. In T2, I still liked her because she was Linda and I like her mannerisms and acting but the look was a no-go otherwise.
Ruby Slippers Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 I'm tall, trim with curves in the right places, and fit. I have visible muscle tone in my legs, and a little bit in my back, abs, and arms. I've never been involved with a guy who didn't love it.
EasyHeart Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 FWIW: Before settling in for 7 hours of football, I hiked over to the grocery store. There was a long wait at the checkout, so I had lots of time to look at the cover of all the women's magazines. Of the women I recognized, the ones with great bodies were Jennifer Anniston, Lauren Graham, katie Holmes and Kirsten Stewart; the ones that did not have great bodies were Michelle Williams and one of the tennis-playing Williams sisters (dunno which one).
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