FitChick Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 I laugh at the people who say we cannot control our biological instincts. People do it every day. Otherwise, there would be many more dead babies around since it's "instinct" to kill defective ones or ones created by another man. Yes, the subhumans do kill the children of their current girlfriend's ex. You are not a lion or tomcat, you are a human being who lives in an advanced culture and who has been socialized, presumably. Stop making excuses and do something constructive.
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) LOL, men developing breasts because they like them. I don't think male peacocks are have those tails because they like them, if you know what I mean. Well man has a penis and he sure likes that (besides, man could play with his own breasts... a male peacock can't play with his feathers) Sorry about your breasts, I'll light a candle for them. LoL Ah, you have their thanks Edited October 18, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall
AHardDaysNight Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 I laugh at the people who say we cannot control our biological instincts. People do it every day. Otherwise, there would be many more dead babies around since it's "instinct" to kill defective ones or ones created by another man. Yes, the subhumans do kill the children of their current girlfriend's ex. You are not a lion or tomcat, you are a human being who lives in an advanced culture and who has been socialized, presumably. Stop making excuses and do something constructive. What exactly is this constructive thing that I should do? Give up on kissing, dating, women, sex, and relationships? Resign myself to porn and lonely nights? Accept that I will never experience sex unless I pay for it, just because I don't have what these players call "game"? I'm sorry, but I refuse to accept that. Would you accept never having sex again, never kissing again, never experiencing love again, FitChick? Would you give up your life in order to live mine?
mike111 Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 I laugh at the people who say we cannot control our biological instincts. People do it every day. Otherwise, there would be many more dead babies around since it's "instinct" to kill defective ones or ones created by another man. I've never heard of such a thing.
Audrina Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Yessss, can't breathhh. Burnsss... smoke.... It doesn't even matter if it's taken out of context --- VIOLENCE is "natural", just like "sexuality". And rape is an epitome of expressing "nature". And LOL, please, enlighten me on sexuality and the intricacies behind it if you so can. I beg thee. I will start with asking why humans ever engage in incest (knowingly)? And then, please tell me what the draw is for pedophiles? Incestuous pedophiles at that? Guru of sexuality... seeing as how... even professionals are still currently perplexed about much of sexuality... of even fantasies... etc. You can pick and choose what supports your beliefs and ignore the contradictions, but it all comes back to one source... At any rate, it's okay --- people "naturally" select what they like and agree with about all sorts of things and somehow blind themselves to the rest. Actually studies of violent criminals have shown that violent actions are NOT instinctual but indeed taught. Also, about incest, we have stigmas about it now that stem from BIRTH DEFECTS (oh see, biology again) that come from incestuous relationships. As long as the people are adults and willing to take on the psychological harm, is it any of your business? When you french kiss someone YOUR BODY evaluates whether or not you have compatible immunity and to see if you're closely related. Tell me, do you have some master control over this happening? As for pedophiles, I believe we classify this as a mental disorder, we still have much to learn about the brain but there are a significant amount of facts that we do know. If you aren't willing to believe me, read a text book or two. As for my "beliefs" it's called scientific fact. I suggest you do some reading on human sexuality before you offer me an emotionally based argument.
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Actually studies of violent criminals have shown that violent actions are NOT instinctual but indeed taught. Oh? Tell that to Jeffrey Dahmer's parents... and all the other little children who are impaling animals that had never witnessed such things occur, who had yet to be exposed to "violence" (and there are children who have witnessed such acts and DO not mimic it as well). Honestly, "teaching" someone to be a sociopath is indeed beyond my comprehension... aside from the environment robbing a child's soul from any number of horrendous things that can occur heh... even still, majority of people do not unfold that way... Nevertheless, good grief... people certainly do have violent "instincts"... but yes, nurture is crucial (my point, rather, thank you!). Now,... birth defects? Lol... incest increases the probability that birth defects occur, yes. But plenty of people have "birth defects" and they are not prone to seeking out incestuousness. Besides, why would genes seek to reproduce with something that served to spawn something that could indeed be "inferior"? Unless it wants to self-destruct.... I have read about females POSSIBLY detecting another person's genetic compatibility through their saliva, but that is not fact --- it is speculation. And beyond it, it doesn't explain all the kissing that same-genders do (or that goes on with other species heh) etc. So, pedophilia (a sexual attraction) can be a mental disorder -- funny that you think it can branch out from just the mind but other types of sexual attractions cannot... p.s studies are not fact. and studies are continuous in hopes of coming closer to one... but I think you don't really understand the difference between a theory and a fact... Edited October 18, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall
Negative Nancy Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 I probably would have walked up to the chubby one. I would have assumed that the hot one had issues, and was high maintenance, and would not want to deal with that. Much less be rejected by someone that beautiful. I look at porn with girls that are of that type, but the chances of me getting with a girl who's that attractive is probably pretty slim. I just wasn't cut out for that in this life. So what you are saying is that you desire the hot one, but would settle for the chubby one. You want the hottie and the chubby one is merely 2nd choice. No thanks. I'm sure you would feel great if you found out the woman you're with secretly wants your hot roommate and just went for you because you seem like less hassle. most convenient, so to speak. Sounds exciting? Well, no one wants to be settled for - not even you men. Otherwise you would not care that you had to spend money on a woman just like a woman has to spend money on make-up and clothes to look pretty for your "visual eyes". But obviously you want to be wanted for yourself, not just for being a alking wallet. Just like we women would like to be wanted for more than being a walking set of t'n'a. And like I said ALREADY, leave the "issues and bad personalities" out of the equation. I specifically said let's assume the hot one has an awesome personality. the whole package, so to speak. who would you choose? yeah, that's what i thought.
verhrzn Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Actually studies of violent criminals have shown that violent actions are NOT instinctual but indeed taught. Also, about incest, we have stigmas about it now that stem from BIRTH DEFECTS (oh see, biology again) that come from incestuous relationships. As long as the people are adults and willing to take on the psychological harm, is it any of your business? When you french kiss someone YOUR BODY evaluates whether or not you have compatible immunity and to see if you're closely related. Tell me, do you have some master control over this happening? As for pedophiles, I believe we classify this as a mental disorder, we still have much to learn about the brain but there are a significant amount of facts that we do know. If you aren't willing to believe me, read a text book or two. As for my "beliefs" it's called scientific fact. I suggest you do some reading on human sexuality before you offer me an emotionally based argument. I think you're mixing up your data points. From the studies I've read, people DO have an evolutionary impulse against incest, but only after being raised or exposed to each other in formative years... Meaning a brother and sister who are raised in the same household are much less likely to commit incest than siblings who were raised apart. (And this doesn't take into account situations of abuse, which are generally not about attraction at all but moments of power.) I think SOME violent behavior is taught... abuse seems to beget abuse. But the evidence seems to suggest that sociopaths (and most serial killers are considered sociopaths) are born, not made. The same violent behavior can be both learned and instinctual, and there seems to be a big difference between a twisted moral compass and no moral compass at all, which is why most criminals are not considered sociopaths.
AHardDaysNight Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Jeffrey Dahmer was an abnormality, which is why scientists are studying his brain, in order to figure out why he did what he did. I don't know how to explain violence, other than it can be either genetic, or it can be taught. I certainly can't explain evil. Who knows why God created evil people like that?
Negative Nancy Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 effin timelimit for editing... again: I probably would have walked up to the chubby one. I would have assumed that the hot one had issues, and was high maintenance, and would not want to deal with that. Much less be rejected by someone that beautiful. I look at porn with girls that are of that type, but the chances of me getting with a girl who's that attractive is probably pretty slim. I just wasn't cut out for that in this life. So what you are saying is that you desire the hot one, but would settle for the chubby one. You want the hottie and the chubby one is merely 2nd choice. No thanks. I'm sure you would feel great if you found out the woman you're with secretly wants your hot roommate and just went for you because you seem like less hassle. most convenient, so to speak. Sounds exciting? Well, no one wants to be settled for - not even you men. Otherwise you would not care that you had to spend money on a woman for a date, the "price of admission". Yet you see tons of men whining on here about feeling used or like a walking wallet. Why is that? Because obviously you want to be wanted for yourself and not just being seen and treated as a walking wallet. Just like we women would like to be wanted for more than being a walking set of t'n'a. Why is an ugly woman inferior? Are you inferior because you don't have 10 millions in your bank account? If you men judge women on a superficial basis like her looks, why is it wrong when women judge you int he same superficial way when it comes to success and money? Is it wrong because now YOU are the one who's being judged? We all like to be seen as our unique personalities and be accepted, but as long as men continue to judge women on their appearance, women will continue to judge men on their bank accounts and success. Superficiality breeds superficiality. And like I said ALREADY, leave the "issues and bad personalities" out of the equation. I specifically said let's assume the hot one has an awesome personality. the whole package, so to speak. who would you choose? yeah, that's what i thought.
AHardDaysNight Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 So what you are saying is that you desire the hot one, but would settle for the chubby one. You want the hottie and the chubby one is merely 2nd choice. No thanks. I'm sure you would feel great if you found out the woman you're with secretly wants your hot roommate and just went for you because you seem like less hassle. most convenient, so to speak. Sounds exciting? Well, no one wants to be settled for - not even you men. Otherwise you would not care that you had to spend money on a woman just like a woman has to spend money on make-up and clothes to look pretty for your "visual eyes". But obviously you want to be wanted for yourself, not just for being a alking wallet. Just like we women would like to be wanted for more than being a walking set of t'n'a. And like I said ALREADY, leave the "issues and bad personalities" out of the equation. I specifically said let's assume the hot one has an awesome personality. the whole package, so to speak. who would you choose? yeah, that's what i thought. Actually, if someone was settling because they figured I was a better choice than the "hot player"...well, I'd be thrilled! I'd feel like they chose me for what was on the inside, not what was on the outside. They weren't shallow, is what I mean. Strange, men can't expect the same thing of women, can they?
Audrina Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Oh? Tell that to Jeffrey Dahmer's parents... and all the other little children who are impaling animals that had never witnessed such things occur, who had yet to be exposed to "violence" (and there are children who have witnessed such acts and DO not mimic it as well). Honestly, "teaching" someone to be a sociopath is indeed beyond my comprehension... aside from the environment robbing a child's soul from any number of horrendous things that can occur heh... even still, majority of people do not unfold that way... Nevertheless, good grief... people certainly do have violent "instincts"... but yes, nurture is crucial (my point, rather, thank you!). Now,... birth defects? Lol... incest increases the probability that birth defects occur, yes. But plenty of people have "birth defects" and they are not prone to seeking out incestuousness. Besides, why would genes seek to reproduce with something that served to spawn something that could indeed be "inferior"? Unless it wants to self-destruct.... I have read about females POSSIBLY detecting another person's genetic compatibility through their saliva, but that is not fact --- it is speculation. And beyond it, it doesn't explain all the kissing that same-genders do (or that goes on with other species heh) etc. So, pedophilia (a sexual attraction) can be a mental disorder -- funny that you think it can branch out from just the mind but other types of sexual attractions cannot... p.s studies are not fact. and studies are continuous in hopes of coming closer to one... but I think you don't really understand the difference between a theory and a fact... A serial killer is not always the same thing as a sociopath. Serial killers are different, and have a different mindset than someone who commits a violent crime. I think YOU really don't understand the difference between theory and fact, nor do you really comprehend what you're talking about here. If you knew anything about anti-social personality disorder you'd know that not everyone with this disorder is violent, that's not necessarily a characteristic of it, however, the reason we focus on violent sociopaths is because the ones that we get to study are in prison. Anti-social personality disorder is something that stems from nature AND nurture. And this is something that I can argue as a fact, my father is a diagnosed sociopath. If you know anything about sociopathy, you know this isn't an easy thing to. You so remind me of my friend who I got into the same argument with, with doctors present, she was arguing with them that you can overcome your biological nature, and they posed this question to her -- you are not in control of breathing, it's an involuntary response - what happens when you try to hold your breath for too long? Your body doesn't allow you to. Now you may pass out and hit your head and die, but you cannot kill yourself by suffocation through your own hands, your body doesn't let you.
somedude81 Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Actually, if someone was settling because they figured I was a better choice than the "hot player"...well, I'd be thrilled! I'd feel like they chose me for what was on the inside, not what was on the outside. They weren't shallow, is what I mean. Strange, men can't expect the same thing of women, can they? That's what I was petty much thinking too. It would be great if a woman actually settled for me. As long as she didn't keep rubbing it in my face, I'd be fine with it.
Woggle Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 I have turned down women who were physically a 10 because they had way too many issues that made it not worth it. Men are seriously not as shallow as you think. Especially not after we mature and realize it is not worth the drama to simply have an attractive woman.
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 A serial killer is not always the same thing as a sociopath. Serial killers are different, and have a different mindset than someone who commits a violent crime. I think YOU really don't understand the difference between theory and fact, nor do you really comprehend what you're talking about here. If you knew anything about anti-social personality disorder you'd know that not everyone with this disorder is violent, that's not necessarily a characteristic of it, however, the reason we focus on violent sociopaths is because the ones that we get to study are in prison. Anti-social personality disorder is something that stems from nature AND nurture. And this is something that I can argue as a fact, my father is a diagnosed sociopath. If you know anything about sociopathy, you know this isn't an easy thing to. You so remind me of my friend who I got into the same argument with, with doctors present, she was arguing with them that you can overcome your biological nature, and they posed this question to her -- you are not in control of breathing, it's an involuntary response - what happens when you try to hold your breath for too long? Your body doesn't allow you to. Now you may pass out and hit your head and die, but you cannot kill yourself by suffocation through your own hands, your body doesn't let you. Look, too much is unknown. I simply found some of your claims ludicrous. I'm not even CLAIMING that nurture is a regent, I stated I simply do lean towards that. It's just a little amusing that you are stating many things with so much authority, when it has really yet to be understood by anyone --- or else they're not sharing Also, I never stated that every serial killer was a sociopath, nor did I state that every sociopath was violent. You chose to assume that, and partially because I did fail to specify --- .... but I did in fact fail to specify, either way. Serial killers are relevant because they do exist (much to most people's dismay). I don't believe most people are condemned to their "nature"... but serial killers ARE actually an area in which I acknowledge that "nature" *could* be sovereign over someone's entirety --- and maybe most people are affected by it in varying degrees... Nonetheless, "nature" does not equal "right", sexually or otherwise. Anyway.... verhrzn brought up a good point... but only after being raised or exposed to each other in formative years... Meaning a brother and sister who are raised in the same household are much less likely to commit incest than siblings who were raised apart. Heh...
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 You can't be serious? If a woman settled for me and I found out, I'd feel so disrespected that she would get dumped there and then. That's 'cause you have self-respect
verhrzn Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Actually, if someone was settling because they figured I was a better choice than the "hot player"...well, I'd be thrilled! I'd feel like they chose me for what was on the inside, not what was on the outside. They weren't shallow, is what I mean. Strange, men can't expect the same thing of women, can they? They didn't figure you were the better choice... You were just what they could get. That's the point. The only reason you DIDN'T go for the hotter girl is because you 1) assumed she had issues and 2) had no personality. So what happens when you get to know the hotter girl while dating your chubby average girlfriend, and discover the hotter girl doesn't have issues and is actually just as nice and pleasant as your girlfriend, THEN what? Answer: you'll pine and think "Oh well she wouldn't go for me anyway"... So the only reason you're with your current girlfriend is because of your lack of confidence and short comings. So what happens the day that the hotter, just-as-awesome-personality girl DOES want you? Well you'll dump your previous, average girlfriend in a heart beat. I know, because it's happened to me. Guys have "settled" for me, settled for the average/ugly girl with the good personality, and guess what? They gained some confidence, and then dumped me the second they found a girl who they were ACTUALLY attracted to both physically and emotionally. They wanted that girl all along, and all that was keeping them with me was desperation. And ya know what? It's heart-wrenching and AWFUL to know that the only reason someone is with you is because of their own low self-esteem, not because they actually love and care for you, and even WORSE to watch them pine and swoon over someone else that they can never have. 1
azsinglegal Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 You can't be serious? If a woman settled for me and I found out, I'd feel so disrespected that she would get dumped there and then. Maybe not so much about settling, but about compromising? You may not have X that she used to want, but you have Z that's much better than X.
AHardDaysNight Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 They didn't figure you were the better choice... You were just what they could get. That's the point. The only reason you DIDN'T go for the hotter girl is because you 1) assumed she had issues and 2) had no personality. So what happens when you get to know the hotter girl while dating your chubby average girlfriend, and discover the hotter girl doesn't have issues and is actually just as nice and pleasant as your girlfriend, THEN what? Answer: you'll pine and think "Oh well she wouldn't go for me anyway"... So the only reason you're with your current girlfriend is because of your lack of confidence and short comings. So what happens the day that the hotter, just-as-awesome-personality girl DOES want you? Well you'll dump your previous, average girlfriend in a heart beat. I know, because it's happened to me. Guys have "settled" for me, settled for the average/ugly girl with the good personality, and guess what? They gained some confidence, and then dumped me the second they found a girl who they were ACTUALLY attracted to both physically and emotionally. They wanted that girl all along, and all that was keeping them with me was desperation. And ya know what? It's heart-wrenching and AWFUL to know that the only reason someone is with you is because of their own low self-esteem, not because they actually love and care for you, and even WORSE to watch them pine and swoon over someone else that they can never have. So what is the solution? Just not dating at all, until one of those attractive girls shows interest? Because that has only happened when I was A.) younger, and B.) Skinnier. Clearly I can become skinny again, but I cannot become young again. I can't turn back time.
somedude81 Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 That's 'cause you have self-respect He's also a virgin. I'd rather be getting laid then have self-respect...
AHardDaysNight Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 He's also a virgin. I'd rather be getting laid then have self-respect... Not to drive this topic any more OT, but how did you lose your virginity somedude? You mentioned that you've never been in a relationship, but that you lost your virginity. How did that happen?
verhrzn Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 So what is the solution? Just not dating at all, until one of those attractive girls shows interest? Because that has only happened when I was A.) younger, and B.) Skinnier. Clearly I can become skinny again, but I cannot become young again. I can't turn back time. ORRRRRR go after the woman you ACTUALLY find attractive without waiting for her to fall into your lap, instead of "settling" for someone just because you fear rejection.
AHardDaysNight Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 ORRRRRR go after the woman you ACTUALLY find attractive without waiting for her to fall into your lap, instead of "settling" for someone just because you fear rejection. How do you do that, without risking hurting your self esteem?
AHardDaysNight Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Well, at my age (29), being a virgin IS a putdown! People assume there's something wrong with you.
Cracker Jack Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 How do you do that, without risking hurting your self esteem? I don't know if that's possible. There have been times when a woman seemed interested, only for me to find out that they weren't. I guess I just suck at reading signs. So, while it was a risk, I felt like it was the safest risk I could take. But...you have to take risks. Even if the risk requires you to be vulnerable. There are no shortcuts. You have to get uncomfortable in order to improve.
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