OnyxSnowfall Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 The only people who argue that they don't care about looks or money are lying women. You sound like the guy in the thread that claims that asexual men cannot exist. Newsflash. Your experiences are not the only ones possible nor left --- and just because you (unfortunately) keep getting proven wrong, doesn't mean the idea behind you isn't right. You can be both wrong and right at the same time
mike111 Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Newsflash, it's visual for women too. But not nearly as much as it is for men.
fortyninethousand322 Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 About women not being interested when you're on the down and out: It's ironic, because several women I'm friends with on facebook have this quote listed as one of their favorites "if you don't want me at my worst you sure don't deserve me when I'm at my best" or something to that effect. I guess guys can't take the same approach. As far as becoming a player as "revenge" or whatever for women scorning you in the past. I could never do that. I think if I ever get really successful in life (financially and such) and I'm still not having any luck with women, I think I'll just avoid them or act interested but never do anything about it (the way they do me now). That way they'll know I'm such a good guy but none of them will ever be able to have me. That's far more revenge than sleeping with them and walking away.
mike111 Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 "if you don't want me at my worst you sure don't deserve me when I'm at my best" Wow! Awesome quote. This would apply for men, too. I should add this as my sig. Thanks! mike
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) No need for caps, makes your posts annoying to read. I believe everything in life is the result of your genes and your environment (which is shaped by people who were the result of their genes and their environment, (which was ...)). Sex doesn't have to be for reproduction to be beneficial for reproductive success. You can have sex to do a man a favor and hope he returns it if you're ever in need, you can have sex to train and become better at it so you have a better chance of keeping a good partner, the possibilities are endless. If that's what you're saying, then I guess I can agree with you. Eh, not quite.... but I do agree that the on-going "results" are both nature and nurture... Nature may set a stage for nurture, but nurture can alter nature --- mere thoughts themselves can change a person's chemistry temporarily --- whereas indulging in them, depending upon what hormones / chemicals are being unleashed, will affect the body detrimentally and or beneficially for a long-term, perhaps even until it ceases --- Even altering the reproductive organs and friends ... affecting a person's potential offspring as well... I can't really plaster any courses I've taken on here nor are those necessarily accurate (as they've been riddled with uncertainties) but even a simple internet search will attest to such heh. I lean towards "nurture" as more of a regent than nature... and that much of what is perceived as nature is misconstrued -- but is instead largely the result of nurture (or the lack there of)... Not to say there's no basis in nature. There certainly is... it's more or less the white canvas in my eyes --- that has been designated a "capacity" (that can still be stretched or shrunken) and "texture" (that can still be built upon or rubbed down)... that others have given to someone to work with (along with a set of colors that may be vastly different from another person's... but that doesn't mean people don't have the same ones, or that they can't mix their colors together and make different (or similar) ones to others either). Sexuality is one facet of that, IMO, heh. Perception does seem to heavily influence what's attractive and or what's repulsive. People just rarely question themselves... and they are often more concerned with pleasure than they are with anything else --- even above their own selves. Edited October 18, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Are we done talking about breasts? LoL Alright, but it's probably not going to be what you want I went up to a DD with both of my babies when I was breastfeeding (I'm normally small-chested, a B, lol).
Author Wolf18 Posted October 18, 2011 Author Posted October 18, 2011 About women not being interested when you're on the down and out: It's ironic, because several women I'm friends with on facebook have this quote listed as one of their favorites "if you don't want me at my worst you sure don't deserve me when I'm at my best" or something to that effect. I guess guys can't take the same approach. As far as becoming a player as "revenge" or whatever for women scorning you in the past. I could never do that. I think if I ever get really successful in life (financially and such) and I'm still not having any luck with women, I think I'll just avoid them or act interested but never do anything about it (the way they do me now). That way they'll know I'm such a good guy but none of them will ever be able to have me. That's far more revenge than sleeping with them and walking away. I don't think it's necessarily "revenge", it's more like living out an epoch women denied you for decades in a short period of time (late 20's is usually approaching marriage time). When you finally $$$ucceed (society's definition of "success" atleast) in life you have carte blanche to do whatever the hell you want in terms of women, it's not about spiting them as much as it is about having the ability not to care. You sound like the guy in the thread that claims that asexual men cannot exist. Newsflash. Your experiences are not the only ones possible nor left --- and just because you (unfortunately) keep getting proven wrong, doesn't mean the idea behind you isn't right. You can be both wrong and right at the same time [/Quote] I think this is true. When you test any hypothesis you always have to consider the variables. My best friend's girlfriend is lovely, she cares for him and always goes the extra mile for him. I'm sure his conclusion would be different from mine and perhaps it should affect mine as well. But then I go back to the day where they both met, I was there. It was at a pub and she randomly walked up to him , right past me without even acknowledging me, and started a conversation with him. My buddy is 6'2 and good looking with a "nice car". I know women are capable of being loving and good to certain guys, just never with me.
somedude81 Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 LoL Alright, but it's probably not going to be what you want I went up to a DD with both of my babies when I was breastfeeding (I'm normally small-chested, a B, lol). That is awesome! I didn't know breasts could grow like that. Are they still DD'S? BTW what did you think of my post where I said that the main reason why women have large breasts is because men like them? I can't think of any real benifit to having large breasts. The small ones are just as function. Heck with big boobs, it's possible to suffocate the baby
Imajerk17 Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Cripes. Another thread by another chump on here whining how he can't get women. Newsflash: You can't get women because you suck. Get your life in order first bro.
AHardDaysNight Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 There's plenty of men in the same boat as you. I am one of them, fortunately for me I don't whinge, whine and cry about it. I just get on with life. Except that Wolf has no experience, and you do (if I recall correctly.) He sort of has a right to be upset. But the second part of your post is spot on.
norajane Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 My best friend's girlfriend is lovely, she cares for him and always goes the extra mile for him. I'm sure his conclusion would be different from mine and perhaps it should affect mine as well. But then I go back to the day where they both met, I was there. It was at a pub and she randomly walked up to him , right past me without even acknowledging me, and started a conversation with him. My buddy is 6'2 and good looking with a "nice car". I know women are capable of being loving and good to certain guys, just never with me. She wouldn't have known anything about his "nice car" when she randomly walked up to him in the pub. And maybe it wasn't so random...maybe your friend smiled at her, while you did not. (And for all the guys who complain that women never make the first move, here's an example of one who did).
Negative Nancy Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) i don't understand the whining going on in here. it's not exactly like men are these completely altruistic persons who date women for their amazing personalities. here's some unpopular truth: the unsuccessful man is be the equivalent to the fat, ugly woman. would you date a fat, ugly woman if you had a chance to get with the hot, gorgeous girl? then why are you, wolf, upset about the fact that your friend's girlfriend walked past you in the bar and went after your tall friend? if you had been in the bar and saw two girls there, one slim and hot and the other chubby with an average face, who would you have walked up to? instinctively i mean. and let's presume that both have good personalities too, so as to avoid the typical "if the hot one is a bimbo, i'd rather date the cutie with the good personality." yeah, yeah, we all know that. but not every hot chick is a bimbo, and i doubt you and your friend have nasty personalities, so that aspect being equal, why would the girl not go after someone that is more her type? all you guys in here have stated numerous times of how visual you are and how you just can't help being attracted to female traits (breast, ass etc.). well guess what, we can't help being attracted to masculine traits such as height, muscles and money of course. someone HAS to take care of the baby after all, and we can only do that if sufficient ressources are provided by strong men that can protect us from the wild animals out there while we nurture the young'uns. it's all biology, baby. we can't help it either. Edited October 18, 2011 by Negative Nancy
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 I don't think it's necessarily "revenge", it's more like living out an epoch women denied you for decades in a short period of time (late 20's is usually approaching marriage time). When you finally $$$ucceed (society's definition of "success" atleast) in life you have carte blanche to do whatever the hell you want in terms of women, it's not about spiting them as much as it is about having the ability not to care. So it's more like objectifying them (i.e, finally having the opportunity to?) Well, since you put it that way... if it's just using people and treating them with apathy --- then oh yes, props to him for living it up ... and what an admirable aspiration too My best friend's girlfriend is lovely, she cares for him and always goes the extra mile for him. I'm sure his conclusion would be different from mine and perhaps it should affect mine as well. But then I go back to the day where they both met, I was there. It was at a pub and she randomly walked up to him , right past me without even acknowledging me, and started a conversation with him. My buddy is 6'2 and good looking with a "nice car". I know women are capable of being loving and good to certain guys, just never with me. I already know you don't want to hear it, but I think you're wrong about all women being unable to love and lust for who you really are. First of all, the odds are against you... the sheer number of just women who are in their fertile years are still excessive and there really are all kinds of people --- second of all... you really aren't located in what, I at least, consider to be a good place, heh. Finally, when you're being completely honest with yourself --- do you yearn to be with a woman? any woman? Even if you think you may be "masking" this, desperation is not very subtle and, just saying, it could be something that females are picking up on... whether or not someone values intelligence over hot-looks, someone''s desperation can overshadow even their great qualities... I'm not going to fault you for venting nor am I going to presume you're leaking out bitterness in your real life --- I do think some very grim things can briefly transpire through venting that are better set free... with that said, that probably means there are factors out of your control at play and other ones that are in your control (but you will never see them until you admit that anyway. But your woes with women are not solely due to your height nor your lack of financial success or rather, the poor values that some women have. There ARE short and "ugly" men without a good job who've been in relationships with women. And you're not even ugly (if that's you in your avatar)
verhrzn Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Trust me, I don't give a **** what they think of me at all. I still don't give a ****, but that doesn't get you women either. Seeing the types of things that arouse a womans attention just completely prevents me from taking them seriously, it's almost like they are devoid of humanity or spirituality. Most women would rather get bread crumbs off a rich guys (rich in terms of physical appearance or money) table over share the table with a guy whose got less. I suppose honor and dignity are a masculine trait. Oh, so I suppose it's men's natural "honor and dignity" that is making them chase after all the physically unattractive women who can't support themselves (no or low-paying job, no car) because they realize that despite being ugly and poor these women are good souls underneath. No... wait, that's not happening at all. In fact, you see far more men chasing after women who are obviously devoid of good personality and judgement (that the woman is choosing the cheater or the rich guy, for example) because the women are HOT. And even though the guy has not much to recommend him compared to the rich, handsome guy, he still expects the HOT WOMAN to look past that and see his "good personality"... even while he's not giving the time of day to women who are just like him. Apparently irony is lost on those "honorable and dignified" men. 1
mike111 Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 i don't understand the whining going on in here. it's not exactly like men are these completely altruistic persons who date women for their amazing personalities. here's some unpopular truth: the unsuccessful man is be the equivalent to the fat, ugly woman. Hmm......i never looked at it this way. But you may have a point.
ptp Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 It was at a pub and she randomly walked up to him , right past me without even acknowledging me, and started a conversation with him. My buddy is 6'2 and good looking with a "nice car". I know women are capable of being loving and good to certain guys, just never with me. Wolf, it seems like you know the rules to the game...you know what type of characteristics women are looking for. So you have a choice you can either try to gain as many of these characteristics or you can choose not to. Everybody gets dealt a different hand in life, but how you chose to play that hand is completely up to you.
Audrina Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Also, I'll remember that the next time there's another deranged serial killer / rapist in the news. After all, according to quite a few of ones that have been discovered and probed... many don't know what drove them to commit their atrocities --- but it was probably just their nature... ah, nothing wrong with that. Their nature didn't seem to equip them with the capacity to control themselves either. I see that I have started a fire ... And that people have not been educated on human sexuality and how it works ... AND that my comment has been taken so completely out of context with this comment that it's laughable.
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 That is awesome! I didn't know breasts could grow like that. Are they still DD'S? BTW what did you think of my post where I said that the main reason why women have large breasts is because men like them? I can't think of any real benifit to having large breasts. The small ones are just as function. Heck with big boobs, it's possible to suffocate the baby Nooo they're B's again (sorry LoL). As I weaned they gradually decreased back down but they did leave memories behind... a few stretch marks I think your theory is far more sounder than the milk production one --- and it'd be intriguing if it's true. But then I wonder why men didn't develop them?
ptp Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Nooo they're B's again (sorry LoL). As I weaned they gradually decreased back down but they did leave memories behind... a few stretch marks I think your theory is far more sounder than the milk production one --- and it'd be intriguing if it's true. But then I wonder why men didn't develop them? If you are emo, are your babies little emo babies? That actually might be cute.
AHardDaysNight Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 i don't understand the whining going on in here. it's not exactly like men are these completely altruistic persons who date women for their amazing personalities. here's some unpopular truth: the unsuccessful man is be the equivalent to the fat, ugly woman. would you date a fat, ugly woman if you had a chance to get with the hot, gorgeous girl? then why are you, wolf, upset about the fact that your friend's girlfriend walked past you in the bar and went after your tall friend? if you had been in the bar and saw two girls there, one slim and hot and the other chubby with an average face, who would you have walked up to? instinctively i mean. and let's presume that both have good personalities too, so as to avoid the typical "if the hot one is a bimbo, i'd rather date the cutie with the good personality." yeah, yeah, we all know that. but not every hot chick is a bimbo, and i doubt you and your friend have nasty personalities, so that aspect being equal, why would the girl not go after someone that is more her type? all you guys in here have stated numerous times of how visual you are and how you just can't help being attracted to female traits (breast, ass etc.). well guess what, we can't help being attracted to masculine traits such as height, muscles and money of course. someone HAS to take care of the baby after all, and we can only do that if sufficient ressources are provided by strong men that can protect us from the wild animals out there while we nurture the young'uns. it's all biology, baby. we can't help it either. I probably would have walked up to the chubby one. I would have assumed that the hot one had issues, and was high maintenance, and would not want to deal with that. Much less be rejected by someone that beautiful. I look at porn with girls that are of that type, but the chances of me getting with a girl who's that attractive is probably pretty slim. I just wasn't cut out for that in this life.
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) I see that I have started a fire ... And that people have not been educated on human sexuality and how it works ... AND that my comment has been taken so completely out of context with this comment that it's laughable. Yessss, can't breathhh. Burnsss... smoke.... It doesn't even matter if it's taken out of context --- VIOLENCE is "natural", just like "sexuality". And rape is an epitome of expressing "nature". And LOL, please, enlighten me on sexuality and the intricacies behind it if you so can. I beg thee. I will start with asking why humans ever engage in incest (knowingly)? And then, please tell me what the draw is for pedophiles? Incestuous pedophiles at that? Guru of sexuality... seeing as how... even professionals are still currently perplexed about much of sexuality... of even fantasies... etc. You can pick and choose what supports your beliefs and ignore the contradictions, but it all comes back to one source... At any rate, it's okay --- people "naturally" select what they like and agree with about all sorts of things and somehow blind themselves to the rest. Edited October 18, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall
fortyninethousand322 Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 I probably would have walked up to the chubby one. I would have assumed that the hot one had issues, and was high maintenance, and would not want to deal with that. Much less be rejected by someone that beautiful. I look at porn with girls that are of that type, but the chances of me getting with a girl who's that attractive is probably pretty slim. I just wasn't cut out for that in this life. I'm sort of with you. I don't like "chubby women" necessarily, but I do know that most of the "hot" women I've ever met had a lot of issues. And you know why hot women are so crazy? Because they can afford to be. I hate these stupid gender threads though. Who's more shallow, who's less shallow, etc. Stupid.
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 What-evs, everyone keep justifying things on their "nature". BABIES HAVE EXISTED LONGER THAN THE CONCEPT OF "MONEY" and they've long happened without "beauty" too. and without LUXURY for most people. What's behind the female that wants to cry that she needs a WEALTHY man to take care of her while she takes care of her baby is bull ****... sorry. What's behind the male that claims he needs a gorgeous woman to stick his penis in is bull **** too... sorry. MOST of human did NOT evolve from people being picky and spoiled... but from working their asses off, from dealing with harsh circumstances and tragedies, etc. This is really just the "nature" of greed and humans never learning how to be satisfied. It's not a male thing nor a female thing. Coin it "biology", but it has little to do with REPRODUCTION. How would any single mother (or even father in some cases) ever survive these modern times... if not for good looks and wealth...
somedude81 Posted October 18, 2011 Posted October 18, 2011 Nooo they're B's again (sorry LoL). As I weaned they gradually decreased back down but they did leave mammaries behind... a few stretch marks I think your theory is far more sounder than the milk production one --- and it'd be intriguing if it's true. But then I wonder why men didn't develop them? LOL, men developing breasts because they like them. I don't think male peacocks are have those tails because they like them, if you know what I mean. Sorry about your breasts, I'll light a candle for them.
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