Hot Chick Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 This just happened a couple days ago. Ok the guy was getting revenge on his wife over a custody battle for the kids. So he kills her and other people at the salon. Why is it always men who do this? I haven't really heard of a woman doing this. So men get all uptight on here about how there is no justice for men in divorce/custody issues...gee, wonder WHY???
musemaj11 Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Because most women do get custody right on divorce so they dont have to go crazy over it. DUH! Besides, havent you heard the story of a woman who attempted to assassinate his husband so she could take all his assets?
Author Hot Chick Posted October 15, 2011 Author Posted October 15, 2011 This guy killed 8 people in a hair salon....so we have one incident of a woman who tried just to kill her husband....yet we have story after story after story of men violently killing women - many more proportionately compared to the women on killing sprees...hmm....
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Why is it always men who do what exactly? ... Women have their volatile and dark sides too... and yes, over "custody/divorce" issues...
Untouchable_Fire Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 This just happened a couple days ago. Ok the guy was getting revenge on his wife over a custody battle for the kids. So he kills her and other people at the salon. Why is it always men who do this? I haven't really heard of a woman doing this. So men get all uptight on here about how there is no justice for men in divorce/custody issues...gee, wonder WHY??? I've been through a divorce... so I understand. Not saying the guy was right in what he did... just saying... I understand. Either way... If I gave you a shot of testosterone every day... you would have a chance to become brave enough to take justice into your own hands as well.
carhill Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Men solve problems with violence. Nothing new. Pretty normal in my neck of the woods. That's why we all carry around here. I recall a customer really wanting to leave without paying for his job the other day. I politely declined that offer. My persuasion was in my desk; his in his truck. He relented and got me a check. No angry words were shared. Everyone was polite since we know the alternative. That's what it's like as a man. Welcome to our world. Killing innocent bystanders is abominable. I hope he gets the needle for that. I followed this when it first broke since my exW is a colorist and owns a similar business. I know what it's like in there and can only imagine what those people must've felt when he came in there blazing away. Horrible. You never forget when someone pulls a gun on you, much less shoots at you. Never. I hope the prosecutors are successful and derail any insanity defense he mounts. I noted anti-psychotic drugs and a pain reduction stimulator being mentioned for him, so such a defense is likely. Here's an updated article My sympathies to the victims and their families.
aj22one Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 This just happened a couple days ago. Ok the guy was getting revenge on his wife over a custody battle for the kids. So he kills her and other people at the salon. Why is it always men who do this? I haven't really heard of a woman doing this. So men get all uptight on here about how there is no justice for men in divorce/custody issues...gee, wonder WHY??? Ha. If I ever end up divorcing a future wife and we have kids, she can take the little rascals as long as I don't have to see 'em or pay for 'em (I'd throw a couple bucks their way every once in a while to be nice though). As for this guy. People do dumb violent things all the time. One of my neighbors threw out his roomate for not paying the rent. The guy went and slashed everyone's tires in the neighborhood. Didn't stop til the police caught him in the act. Obviously this ain't the same thing but still.
Author Hot Chick Posted October 15, 2011 Author Posted October 15, 2011 aj, you would be required by law to pay child support. I would think any decent person would want to do that anyway.
Sanman Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/091010-woman-goes-on-philly-shooting-spree There you go, I'm all about equal opportunity.
somedude81 Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 That hair salon is about 20 minutes from where I live. It's horrible. What he did was absolutely horrible and he deserves to be executed. But turning this into a men vs. women thing is stupid. Both are capable of evil. The most recent big news story that involved a woman, was when she cut of her husbands penis and put it in the garbage disposal. No gender is pure in innocent.
phineas Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Shooting up anything is not a "man" thing. It's a mental thing. Period. In society women use the lawyers & lop-sided laws to rake men over the coals. You are a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest just to get joint custody of your kids if the woman is feeling vengeful. Some guys just snap & since we have guns....if guns didn't exist they would use swords. women do loose it also. Probably because they don't have kids with the guy to use as leverage. Cops: Woman stalked ex, broke windows with sword http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/13/national/main20119910.shtml Also, we have a local radio show that can fill a slot talking about crazy falls chicks. (Niagara Falls) You cheat on or dump a falls chick for another chick & they have been known to assault the guy or do property damage. I do not date women from the falls.
Eclypse Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Google "cutting off penis" I don't think much more needs to be said.
grkBoy Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 In all honesty, I think it's just how we're bred as genders. Men are raised to be warriors, hunters, etc. If if the guy is "pussified" by being raised without a strong fatherly role, he still grows up on toy figures with little guns, fighting/clashing heroes VS villains, competition in sports, and many violent video games. It's only natural guys will pull out those instincts, even in insane circumstances like that. He only knows to get violent when he is pushed enough, and he did...even if it was insane. Women on the other hand are generally raised to be mothers, princesses, nurturers, sex objects, items of beauty, etc. Look how many girls grow up thinking "being hot" is more important than "being smart". Look how many girls shy away from many man-dominated things partially because they fear losing their femininity. If a woman is pushed enough, some will go psycho like the guy, but many more fall into the "helpless victim" mode...since when you look at many fantasy stories, the hero is generally a man and the woman is the "damsel in distress". The image of a strong woman is more accepted nowadays, but it's amazing still how many women will see the "strong woman" as "man-hating lesbian" or "she'll never find a husband"...as if it's a failure in life.
carhill Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 I recall when Larissa Schuster (our local claim to fame) killed her husband, she got a male employee to help her stun him and put him in a barrel of acid while he was unconscious. She had the plan but needed some braun to carry it out. Men tend to be more of a solo perpetrator and don't focus so much on concern over collateral damage. Women appear to be more targeted (focus in on one person only) in crimes of passion and use their network to effect them. Larissa lives out the rest of her life (they wouldn't kill her) not far from my house, at the largest women's prison in California. A marked difference for 'lifers' who are females and who have committed violent crimes is that they are not segregated from the general population. Larissa could be a cellmate with a drug offender who's up for parole this year. This is generally not a feature of male prisons, and violence is much more common at the latter. Violence is who men are, at a base level. One of my customers, as a result of this story getting out, told me a couple days ago his tidbit about another local famous male spousal murderer, Scott Peterson, and how he and his fellow golfers took up a collection and ousted Scott out of their country club (gave him his money back; a substantial amount in the the tens of thousands) back before he ended up incarcerated and on death row at San Quentin. IIRC, his wife, who was eight months pregnant at the time, was killed and sunk in San Francisco Bay. The case first broke when a baby's body washed ashore. Given what goes on here, one wonders if Cali is really the 'golden' state it's made out to be. For some, it's very different. And deadly.
123321 Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 aj, you would be required by law to pay child support. I would think any decent person would want to do that anyway. Why would a decent person fight for custody of kids they can't provide for?
january2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 I'm unclear about why the case is relevant to dating.
ShannonMI Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Have you ever watched Deadly women on Investigation Discovery channel? I recommend it. Love that show. Some women are bat sh*t crazy. They'll kill for a variety of different reasons. It's amazing to me. Especially the ones that kill for the husband's $100,000 life insurance policy. How can anyone be that hard up for money that you would take a human life? It's unbelievable how sick some people are.
Woggle Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 There is no excuse for what this man and his wife obviously had good reason for wanting to get the hell away from him did but don't use it as a reason to belittle men going through things in family court. Did you know that Susan Smith's ex husband tried to get custody of their children but she fought his right to be in their lives every step of the way. We all know what happened next so not all men are like this guy.
Author Hot Chick Posted October 15, 2011 Author Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) Why would a decent person fight for custody of kids they can't provide for? You would have to pay child support for your own children if you did not have custody. That is why the noncustodial parent pays the custodial parent for child support. The custodial parent usually ends up paying a LOT more out of pocket for the children. Studies have shown that women in divorce are the ones who are much more financially devasted than the man. That is just a fact. I don't understand why men think they are always screwed over by women because they are not. Personally I was raised by a divorced single mother because my (wealthy) father cheated on my mother constantly. He somehow had trouble making sure the child support showed up every month. My mom gave up fighting for it and raised us on her own teacher's salary. So...she was much more financially devasted than my dad, and did it many months without child support. So men, don't give me the "how men are so screwed over" business when it comes to divorce and child support. The WOMEN statistically are the ones who end up financially screwed. Men just think they are screwed no matter what and just keep whining and building anger within instead of doing something productive and positive. Edited October 15, 2011 by Hot Chick
carhill Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 For clarity, according to the linked article, the alleged murderer and his 48yo exW were divorced in 2007 and battling for custody of their 8 yo son and he was paying 1500.00/mo in child support. Since she was employed/self-employed and since I know what a typical stylist earns, as my exW was/is one, I'll bet she's currently earning more than he was, considering that he was injured in 2007 and has gone through, according to the article, multiple surgeries. My bet is there were disputes about money and visitation and he felt he was getting the short end of the stick and the combination of his personal issues and fighting the often intractable bureaucracy tipped him over. He had been using the money from his workplace injury settlement to pay his legal costs, but I'll bet that money, probably also going to child support (you have no chance legally if you don't pay) plowed through his resources and left him desperate and angry. FWIW, his monthly support nut was more than my mortgage payment and that services a .25MM loan. What child needs that kind of money a month for subsistence and support when the mother earns 50-75K a year, or more? That's 18K per year, tax free. I hope someone had a life insurance policy, since Michelle's family will likely now be the guardians of their now-orphaned son. What a mess....
aj22one Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 You would have to pay child support for your own children if you did not have custody. That is why the noncustodial parent pays the custodial parent for child support. The custodial parent usually ends up paying a LOT more out of pocket for the children. Studies have shown that women in divorce are the ones who are much more financially devasted than the man. That is just a fact. I don't understand why men think they are always screwed over by women because they are not. Personally I was raised by a divorced single mother because my (wealthy) father cheated on my mother constantly. He somehow had trouble making sure the child support showed up every month. My mom gave up fighting for it and raised us on her own teacher's salary. So...she was much more financially devasted than my dad, and did it many months without child support. So men, don't give me the "how men are so screwed over" business when it comes to divorce and child support. The WOMEN statistically are the ones who end up financially screwed. Men just think they are screwed no matter what and just keep whining and building anger within instead of doing something productive and positive. My post was meant to convey the fact that I wouldn't care if she took custody of the kids. I'd be ok paying a fair amount for child support but only because it's my responsibility (and because I'm somewhat of a nice guy). Otherwise I'd want nothing to do with the kids. She wants them so bad, let her have to go through all the yucky parts of raising children (puberty, toilet training, whatever).
Art_Critic Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 My post was meant to convey the fact that I wouldn't care if she took custody of the kids. I'd be ok paying a fair amount for child support but only because it's my responsibility (and because I'm somewhat of a nice guy). Otherwise I'd want nothing to do with the kids. She wants them so bad, let her have to go through all the yucky parts of raising children (puberty, toilet training, whatever). You sound like such a nice guy AJ... You wouldn't pay CS because the children are yours and you love them and want the best for them instead of it just being your responsibility ?
aj22one Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 You sound like such a nice guy AJ... You wouldn't pay CS because the children are yours and you love them and want the best for them instead of it just being your responsibility ? Now that you put it that way, I think child support is more or less just like paying someone to take care of your kids. The woman would have to deal with all the crap that is raising children and I'd be out a few bucks...it's a fair trade. But as for getting visitation or partial custody or any of that, no thanks. It's too much time out of the day to drive to and from picking them out dropping them off, etc. I got a life to live (namely finding a new wife).
OnyxSnowfall Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 You sound like such a nice guy AJ... --- agreed.
aj22one Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 --- agreed. What was wrong with what I said? Why should I be saddled with the little rascals? Or be forced to spend time with them? When you get full custody that's what you get "full custody".
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