PJKino Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Some women. Just like some men put a lot of through into weight and don't ask out girls in extremely baggy clothing and rather ask out girls in normal clothing because they can get more of an idea of what she'll look like naked. Those tactics to find out height aren't usually due to putting a lot of thought but more of combating the lying about height & dishonest things like shoe lifts. I guess if it means that much to somebody god bless then, sounds like a to much thought to me but to each his own
udolipixie Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 I guess if it means that much to somebody god bless then, sounds like a to much thought to me but to each his own Doesn't seem like too much thought to use tactics when others lie or are dishonest about things. No different than a scenario of wanting a girl who doesn't cheat yet finding out most female cheaters lie about it so you find about tactics to detect whose a cheater & who isn't. To each his own.
Wolf18 Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Some women. Just like some men put a lot of through into weight and don't ask out girls in extremely baggy clothing and rather ask out girls in normal clothing because they can get more of an idea of what she'll look like naked. Those tactics to find out height aren't usually due to putting a lot of thought but more of combating the lying about height & dishonest things like shoe lifts. Yes I carry a hair dye chart of very specific blonde colors to make sure a girls hair is honey blonde rather than all the other ypes of colors women claim are BLONDE. I'm not neurotic or picky it's just that a lot of women claim they are blonde when they are actually dirty blondes or light brown haired and I only date very light blondes. And god forbid your hair color is dyed, then I will get really angry not because you don't have the very specific kind of blonde hair I like, but because you lied about it. LOL at the weight comparison. Women don't date fat guys either...
udolipixie Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Yes I carry a hair dye chart of very specific blonde colors to make sure a girls hair is honey blonde rather than all the other ypes of colors women claim are BLONDE. Egh whatever. Though I consider dying your hair different from verbaling or on a website lying about your height or wearing shoe lifts because you see/know height is a disadvantage Guess if she dyed her hair blonde because she thought blondes attract more guys or said she was blond/put it on her profile it'd be the same. LOL at the weight comparison. Women don't date fat guys either... For the weight preference it doesn't matter that some women don't date fat guys either. It's about that there is a preference that guys can be picky about.
azsinglegal Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 Egh whatever. Though I consider dying your hair different from verbaling or on a website lying about your height or wearing shoe lifts because you see/know height is a disadvantage Guess if she dyed her hair blonde because she thought blondes attract more guys or said she was blond/put it on her profile it'd be the same. For the weight preference it doesn't matter that some women don't date fat guys either. It's about that there is a preference that guys can be picky about. I think it's not all about weight, it's about lifestyle. I work out 6 days a week, I'd like someone who does the same. They care about their health. I wouldn't date someone who's obese because we just wouldn't have that much in common (in spite of the fact that I love cake!). I think there's some confusion here with looks and lifestyle that attracts folks to each other.
udolipixie Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 I think it's not all about weight, it's about lifestyle. Plenty of sedentary lifestyle slim people & plenty of active lifestyle fat people. I work out 6 days a week, I'd like someone who does the same. An overweight/obese guy/girl can workout the same amount and still remain fat. They care about their health. An overweight/obese guy/girl can care about his/her health and workout the same amount and still remain fat. Slim doesn't automatically mean healthy or that they exercise to take care of their health. I wouldn't date someone who's obese because we just wouldn't have that much in common (in spite of the fact that I love cake!). Interesting...so you know what you'd know how much you have in common based on weight...cool I think there's some confusion here with looks and lifestyle that attracts folks to each other. No confusion on my side. Some people do go by lifestyle when they have weight preferences. ^ Though I find most claim lifestyle when they have weight preferences and those that really go by lifestyle don't tend to have a weight preference but activity preference so they cut out people based on how active they are not based on weight. Some most go by looks when doing weight preferences because they don't find overweight/obese attractive. Some go by lifestyle & looks.
Wolf18 Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) Oh my goodness, what his this world come to when men lie about their height on dating profiles I've never even bothered to try internet dating as it's a huge waste of time for men, but from what I do know is that most women get hundreds of solicitations and boat loads of attention from the guys, so it actually says a lot when they choose to meet one (considering how averse women are to meeting people from the internet, with good reason). So Jane sees a message that sticks out to her, he's handsome and in shape the picture, so she checks his profile to make sure he's atleast 5'10 (despite her being 5'3), then gets to know him and finds out what a wonderful person he is. They both like the same underground music, they share a passion for the history of Nicaragua, he has an amazing sense of humor, and they love the same food. Jane says "I think I'm in love I'm going to meet this guy". They meet up and Jane realizes that this guy is only 1 inch taller than her in her 3 inch heels by tilting her head a certain way and lining up his ear in a 90 degree angle to the big dipper. Jane's heart sinks and she runs home to cry at how unfair life is. Why did he have to lie that he was 3 inches taller than he actually was and get her hopes up? Poor Jane Seriously, there is no reason not to lie about your height. I don't care enough to do it, but I understand if you do it online especially, there is no con to it. A woman whose going to get so angry that you exagerrating your height a bit is not going to even give you a chance if you tell them the truth anyway. On the other hand, if you lie about your height and you actually get a chance for her to get to know you and like you enough, there is a chance she could come around and overlook it (although it's not as good of a chance as it should be). And a big LOL! at women who claim men who wear lifts in their shoes are dishonest. Are you kidding me? Why can women wear makeup, pushup bras, and high heels and not be called dishonest then? You don't see the hypocrisy?! Ever see all those celebrity women without makeup? Hahaha Edited October 14, 2011 by Wolf18
Wolf18 Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 By the way all of you older women who are claiming you gained "wisdom" with years that not all guys under 5'10 are worthless or genetically defective, it doesn't count when you're over the hill and all the tall guys you want are married. I don't like broccoli, and refuse to eat it. However, if I was starving to death in the 1930's Ukraine, broccoli would look like an angus steak.
udolipixie Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) I've never even bothered to try internet dating as it's a huge waste of time for men, but from what I do know is that most women get hundreds of solicitations and boat loads of attention from the guys, So you've never tried it but this is what you know? I'm guessing what you know comes from things guys have stated. Do you also have the female perspective? so it actually says a lot when they choose to meet one (considering how averse women are to meeting people from the internet, with good reason). Not really. Most women aren't that averse. Plus there's safety- meet in a public place, tell someone, have a weapon, and bring someone with you. So it's not saying oh she must like he a lot Most womens fears are if he looks like his picture or was it photoshopped/years old. So Jane sees a message that sticks out to her, he's handsome and in shape the picture, so she checks his profile to make sure he's atleast 5'10 (despite her being 5'3), Are you aware 5'10'' is the average height for men in America so it's not some unreasonable thing. In fact if you want to "play the reasonable thing" guys in America who want healthy weight women are unreasonable since 60% are overweight/obese. The guys who want slim women are just insane. LMFAO As for the "despite her being 5'3''...so only tall girls can want average height girls....only girls of a certain height can want average height or guys taller than them? Does this mean fat guys can only ask to date fat girls? That ugly guys can only ask to date ugly girls? That average guys can only ask to date average girls? then gets to know him and finds out what a wonderful person he is. They both like the same underground music, they share a passion for the history of Nicaragua, he has an amazing sense of humor, and they love the same food. he also lied about his height because he probably saw it as a disadvantage and wanted to influence her with his personality before she saw something that would most likely be a turn off to her. That way he can sway her to ignoring the lie because she likes him. Jane says "I think I'm in love I'm going to meet this guy". They meet up and Jane realizes that this guy is only 1 inch taller than her in her 3 inch heels by tilting her head a certain way and lining up his ear in a 90 degree angle to the big dipper. Jane's heart sinks and she runs home to cry at how unfair life is. Why did he have to lie that he was 3 inches taller than he actually was and get her hopes up? Poor Jane Poor Jane indeed. Seriously, there is no reason not to lie about your height. Honesty? Not deceiving the person? Not working the angle of having them emotionally invested before they find out something that you knew was probably going to be a turn off to them? I guess there is no reason not to lie and give out an old attractive photo of yourself. I don't care enough to do it, but I understand if you do it online especially, there is no con to it. If there is no con they they wouldn't be lying know would they? There is a con they are working on hiding something they know might be a turn off to a woman so they hide it & have her emotionally invest in him in hopes when they find out about that turn off it won't matter because she's invested. Just like a girl giving out an old attractive photo because she knows a recent one might be a turn off to a man. So she gets him emotionally invested before showing up to the date looking nothing like her picture because it won't matter since he's invested. A woman whose going to get so angry that you exagerrating your height a bit is not going to even give you a chance if you tell them the truth anyway. Lying but exaggerating is a nice way to put it. She's exaggerating the numbers of partners she didn't f*ck. Perhaps it's not just the anger but that most women just don't want to give a chance to liars. Especially liars who purposefully lie because they know it might be a turn off. On the other hand, if you lie about your height and you actually get a chance for her to get to know you and like you enough, there is a chance she could come around and overlook it (although it's not as good of a chance as it should be). And you said there was no con. And a big LOL! at women who claim men who wear lifts in their shoes are dishonest. Are you kidding me? Why can women wear makeup, pushup bras, and high heels and not be called dishonest then? You don't see the hypocrisy?! Women who often do that are called lying not to the same extent as men with lifts though. If anything that's not hypocrisy but a double standard since men get called on it more than women do. No hypocrisy on my part since I never stated or implied that women who wear makeup, pushup bras, and high heels aren't being dishonest. Edited October 14, 2011 by udolipixie
udolipixie Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 By the way all of you older women who are claiming you gained "wisdom" with years that not all guys under 5'10 are worthless or genetically defective, Pretty sure it's not the worthless/genetically defective bs but attraction. Not being attracted to short guys /= thinking they are worthless/genetically defective. it doesn't count when you're over the hill and all the tall guys you want are married. How about none of that bs ever counted. As for the rest of that. Yeah because women should just take whatever is there once they are over the hill. Yeah because short guys will just be happy to have someone whose there because she just needs a man and it doesn't matter if she's not attracted to him. Some people would rather be alone than with something they don't love/like or are attracted to. After all plenty of guys won't date a girl they aren't attracted to. It's not like food where you can't learn to survive without it.
phineas Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 I think it's not all about weight, it's about lifestyle. I work out 6 days a week, I'd like someone who does the same. They care about their health. I wouldn't date someone who's obese because we just wouldn't have that much in common (in spite of the fact that I love cake!). I think there's some confusion here with looks and lifestyle that attracts folks to each other. Ya know what? since I stopped being fat I get it. I'm not bitter towards women who wouldn't date me because of my weight. I don't view them as shallow either. I just view it as me leveling the playing field. Except, i'm now in better shape than most of those women (almost 30 waist) & their insecurity plus them telling me I don't need a 6-pack is a major turn-off. I don't need a 6-pack to get women. I know this. I want one for myself for my 40th birthday. But, I only lift 3 days a week. It's all I need. it's mostly diet on my part.
Wolf18 Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) Udoli is probably the most facetious and subtle troll on this forum, I'll throw it some bread crumbs though So you've never tried it but this is what you know?[/Quote] The fact that there are probably 10 guys for every 2 girls on most of these sites is enough to predict what the outcome is. Even the most desirable men in the world who sign up to these sites would probably only be good enough to date a plain jane with 3 kids. I'm guessing what you know comes from things guys have stated. Do you also have the female perspective?[/Quote] The female perspective is usually "i get too many messages to read them all". Not really. Most women aren't that averse. Plus there's safety- meet in a public place, tell someone, have a weapon, and bring someone with you. So it's not saying oh she must like he a lot Most womens fears are if he looks like his picture or was it photoshopped/years old. [/Quote] So there is nothing special about meeting someone from an internet dating site in person? That doesn't signify you really like them? Are you aware 5'10'' is the average height for men in America so it's not some unreasonable thing. [/Quote] Are you aware that the average height for an American woman is 5'6? So then I assume you agree that a 5'3 woman asking for a 5'10 guy is unrealistic by this logic? In fact if you want to "play the reasonable thing" guys in America who want healthy weight women are unreasonable since 60% are overweight/obese. The guys who want slim women are just insane. LMFAO [/Quote] Fat guys should not desire slim women either, your point is completely moot. If they want to date a slim women so badly, they would get on a strict diet and get in shape. Ditto for women. That's a double edged sword by the way, fat girls want athletic handsome guys just as much as the rest of women. As for the "despite her being 5'3''...so only tall girls can want average height girls....only girls of a certain height can want average height or guys taller than them? Does this mean fat guys can only ask to date fat girls? That ugly guys can only ask to date ugly girls? That average guys can only ask to date average girls? [/Quote] I think people should not expect to date people who are beautiful if they are average looking. You shouldn't expect anything in your mate that you don't bring to the table yourself. Unfortunately, more often than not women always get what they want anyway so they don't have to abide by this rule. he also lied about his height because he probably saw it as a disadvantage and wanted to influence her with his personality before she saw something that would most likely be a turn off to her. That way he can sway her to ignoring the lie because she likes him. [/Quote] Duh. And you know what, if it works, it would be a benefit for both of them. Honesty? Not deceiving the person? Not working the angle of having them emotionally invested before they find out something that you knew was probably going to be a turn off to them? I guess there is no reason not to lie and give out an old attractive photo of yourself. [/Quote] If you think this is a question of honesty then don't date. Men and women lie to eachother about a billion things, and then when the truth comes to light there is some thunder and lightening but the dust eventually settles and they forgive eachother. This is true for everything except a man's height. Suddenly "honesty" becomes the most important trait to women The issue with the old photo is different. No logical person is going to say that posting that you are 2-3 inches taller than you are is the same as posting a picture of yourself from 1973... but I suppose for facetious people like you it could work as a technical but not logical argument. Lying but exaggerating is a nice way to put it. She's exaggerating the numbers of partners she didn't f*ck. Perhaps it's not just the anger but that most women just don't want to give a chance to liars. Especially liars who purposefully lie because they know it might be a turn off. [/Quote] What is your point? Good luck getting a woman's sexual history out of her. The skeletons, no mass graves, in the typical young womans closet are something she will take to the grave. And of course the shallow woman gets out of it by saying "oh it's not that he said he was 2 inches taller, it's that he's a liar" . Get real. These same women wouldn't date them if they were completely honest either, so who cares what they claim to make themselves feel better about rejecting great guys for such a stupid reason? Would you reject a guy who lied and said that he was 2 inches shorter than he was? LOL! Edited October 14, 2011 by Wolf18
udolipixie Posted October 14, 2011 Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) Udoli is probably the most facetious and subtle troll on this forum, I'll throw it some bread crumbs though Troll? I don't post hateful negative generalizations, throw pity parties, or claim my gender has it so hard in dating. Or is it troll because I have a different opinion that disagrees with yours...LMFAO The fact that there are probably 10 guys for every 2 girls on most of these sites is enough to predict what the outcome is. Even the most desirable men in the world who sign up to these sites would probably only be good enough to date a plain jane with 3 kids. Really studies show different. Take a look at okcupid http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ Apparently "Site-wide, two-thirds of male messages go to the best-looking third of women."...so 2/3 of male message go to 1/3 of women....hmmm poor plain jane. Other studies are consist with the concept that most of messages from men are to the most attractive women. The female perspective is usually "i get too many messages to read them all". Usually...so how attractive are these girls? How old are these women? What do they consider too many? Are you aware girls like to exaggerate how attractive/appealing they are to others? As for your claim of "Even the most desirable men in the world who sign up to these sites would probably only be good enough to date a plain jane with 3 kids." What are the guys who message them like? My experience asking women about their online dating experiences is vastly different. There's no most desirable men wanting their average looking selves. 3 kids...lmfao most men online dating wise stay away from single mothers unless they just want a f*ck. Further more what are the guys messaging wanting? Sex, relationship, hookups, fwb? So there is nothing special about meeting someone from an internet dating site in person? That doesn't signify you really like them? It's not the case of the impression that you gave of women being so averse to meeting a stranger on line they must care very deeply to meet a guy they chatted to & exchanged pics online. Especially with online dating becoming more popular and common. Are you aware that the average height for an American woman is 5'6? Weird I also thought the average height for American women was 5'6'' but other members showed I was wrong. So then I assume you agree that a 5'3 woman asking for a 5'10 guy is unrealistic by this logic? It's not unrealistic to me since that's the average height. Average is most common...not unrealistic to ask for what is common. Fat guys should not desire slim women either, your point is completely moot. If they want to date a slim women so badly, they would get on a strict diet and get in shape. Ditto for women. That's a double edged sword by the way, fat girls want athletic handsome guys just as much as the rest of women. I think people should not expect to date people who are beautiful if they are average looking. You shouldn't expect anything in your mate that you don't bring to the table yourself. Unfortunately, more often than not women always get what they want anyway so they don't have to abide by this rule. You seem pretty set on equal exchange for height/weight. I don't bring a d*ck guess that means I can't expect my mate to have one. Duh. And you know what, if it works, it would be a benefit for both of them. The lie was to benefit I guess you're cool with women poking holes in condoms to get pregnant because hey he might like being a father and enjoy fatherhood. After all if it works it would be a benefit for both of them. If you think this is a question of honesty then don't date. It's a question of not intentionally lying about something you know can turn the other person off and have them change their decision about not dating you. It's about not lying because you don't want them to know something that will have them make a decision you don't want. Men and women lie to eachother about a billion things, and then when the truth comes to light there is some thunder and lightening but the dust eventually settles and they forgive eachother. This is true for everything except a man's height. Suddenly "honesty" becomes the most important trait to women Doubt a guy would eventually settle and forgive a girl who lied about having HIV then gave it to him. Doubt a guy would eventually settle and forgive a girl who lied about taking birth control then 9 months later is having a baby he has to pay for. The issue with the old photo is different. Yeah it's different ...it's different because old photos are a key bugger to guys. So amused how guys will rail against something but defend the doing of a similar thing. Lying about height on profile/posting old picture: Both are physical turn offs depending on the height/picture. Both are lying about something that they know may be a turn off to a lot of others. Both are hoping that after the person is emotionally invested in them the lie about the turn off won't matter because love overrule that physical attraction glitch. And of course the shallow woman gets out of it by saying "oh it's not that he said he was 2 inches taller, it's that he's a liar" . Get real. These same women wouldn't date them if they were completely honest either, so who cares what they claim to make themselves feel better about rejecting great guys for such a stupid reason? Get some reading comprehension Perhaps it's not just the anger but that most women just don't want to give a chance to liars. The anger referring to him being short. It's that he was a lair and short. Never implied of stated otherwise or that women will try to make some claim to make themselves for rejecting the guy. Edited October 14, 2011 by udolipixie
Wolf18 Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 I don't think it's worth arguing with someone who thinks saying you are 5'10 instead of 5'8 is the equivalent of telling someone you don't have HIV and then giving it to them. I wouldn't be surprised if women did think that being 3 inches below average height as the same as having AIDS, however. That OKcupid study says 2/3 of men are going after 1/3 of women, fine, point taken. But you seem to have forgotten this bit of it : As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium 80% of men are below average to women! So WTF is average?!?! I'm not going to address the rest of your post yet again. It is all completely facetious and annoying, faulty comparisons like saying a guy whose saying he's 5'9 instead of 5'7 is the same as a 45 year old man posting that is posting a picture of himself when he was a teenager. You are arguing against things I never said nor do I deny. You don't have to go out with a guy whose 2 inches below your ideal height, that's your loss . My point is that you have to be real petty to develop a whole mathematical system where you tilt your head in a special way specifically to see if a guy is 5'8 or 5'10 If you can't accept that, then there is no point in arguing with you as we are on two very different wave lengths.
irc333 Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 If a guy is short, he better make up for it in being extremely fit condition and a body that women would flock to. THat would pretty much make up for a man being very short. There have been a lot of threads on this board about shorter mens’ difficulties with dating. At 5’7” I've had some experience with this, and I wanted to offer some suggestions and encouragement. Years ago I at least partially bought into the idea that this was going to be a huge problem for me. I do think the mere belief had an effect on me, like a self-fulfilling prophecy. So, one useful thing to do is get that out of your head. For me it helped to look at existing married couples with children where the man was the same height or even shorter than the woman. Here was empirical evidence that it could be done. Focusing on that helped me get rid of limiting beliefs. The thing that has ended up surprising me a bit are the heights of women that I've done the best with. Certainly, I've always had reasonably good luck with short women 5’2” or less, the shorter they were the more they tended to like me. I guess that's not a surprise. I was disheartened to find that women from 5’3” to 5’5” seemed to be very difficult for me to interest. It didn't matter so much that I was taller than them, perhaps I wasn't enough taller for their tastes. However, for me at least it seems like I've also done very well with women 5’6” to 5’9” (and even taller). These are women who are basically my height or taller, and it has seemed to me that I've actually done better with them than with the 5’3” to 5’5” group. Not sure what the reason is. Perhaps the medium height women feel they can get their pick of men, where the taller women feel like they are “too tall” and are thus more open-minded. Whatever the reason, I just wanted to encourage men who are on the shorter side to consider the possibility that a woman who is as tall or even taller than they are may be interested in them even though shorter women seem to not be. I've had a woman as tall as 5’11” actually pursue me (though that was a little too much for my preferences). As a final note, I do think a man who is less than 5’9” is at a significant disadvantage with online dating. Given the ratios women tend to be quite picky, and may quickly weed you out based on a single number like that. In real life I'm not so sure that a woman who is a few inches shorter than you even really knows what your height is, and probably doesn't stop to think about it nearly as much. So, my advice would be to skip the online dating and get out to meet people instead in the real world. Scott
udolipixie Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) I don't think it's worth arguing with someone who thinks saying you are 5'10 instead of 5'8 is the equivalent of telling someone you don't have HIV and then giving it to them. Yeah not worth it when someone lacks the logic to not react on emotions and actually think and compared the actions not the consequences. That OKcupid study says 2/3 of men are going after 1/3 of women, fine, point taken. But you seem to have forgotten this bit of it : As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium You seem to have forgotten this bit: "As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. On the other hand, when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable But with the basic ratings so out-of-whack, the two curves together suggest some strange possibilities for the female thought process, the most salient of which is that the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her, but she then goes right out and messages them anyway." Out of whack ratings or not they still message the men and have a "healthier" messaging pattern than guys. Healtheir code for realistic aka they don't message just the top portion of men. While 2/3 of men going after 1/3 of women really goes against the notion of men having broad choices and going after most women. Seems like yes women do have "high standards" but it's men who mainly go for the top women. So whether women are more outrageous in their rating of physical attractiveness than men is not really the issue especially considering the point I was addressing was: I've never even bothered to try internet dating as it's a huge waste of time for men, but from what I do know is that most women get hundreds of solicitations and boat loads of attention from the guys, With that never bothered to try bs I questioned if this was based on what other people say, if the experiences were just all male and if you had female perspectives as well. When you stated you did and it was typically too many messages to read I questioned them on their attractiveness, age, what they considered many. I also questioned if they encountered the whole most desirable guy not good enough for plain jane with 3 kids thing. LMFAO The fact that there are probably 10 guys for every 2 girls on most of these sites is enough to predict what the outcome is. Even the most desirable men in the world who sign up to these sites would probably only be good enough to date a plain jane with 3 kids. I'm amused that you called me a troll when you come up with bs generalizations of how easy women have it based on probably/experiences. Using "the fact" on a probably. Go with predicting outcomes on this probably fact. Then when shown that it's not as you think...you focus on the rating and seem to forget that despite wonky ratings women still message those men and women aren't the one messaging only 1/3 of the opposite gender. Facetious you were at least correct about. You are arguing against things I never said nor do I deny. Where? I never put words in your mouth. I stay on topic. In fact I quoted each statement of yours I was responding to the only things that may be considered offtopic are my comparisons. Those comparisons were used to show the intent is similar. Edited October 15, 2011 by udolipixie
aj22one Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 I've never even bothered to try internet dating as it's a huge waste of time for men, but from what I do know is that most women get hundreds of solicitations and boat loads of attention from the guys, so it actually says a lot when they choose to meet one (considering how averse women are to meeting people from the internet, with good reason). Yup. That's basically it. It's generally 1/4 of the men on there doing 3/4 of the dating when it comes to OLD. I tried online dating and failed miserably at it. I don't have a horrible time with women but at the time I was going through a dry spell and figured "what the hell". I got not one reply. It didn't matter if the women I messaged were older, younger, lived far away, lived close by, whatever. Online dating is only for men who are really good at playing the lottery, because that's what it is. I've had far better luck meeting women offline.
udolipixie Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) I'm not going to address the rest of your post yet again. It is all completely facetious and annoying, faulty comparisons like saying a guy whose saying he's 5'9 instead of 5'7 is the same as a 45 year old man posting that is posting a picture of himself when he was a teenager. Pretty sure I was going for the behavior/intention/actions done are the same not the acts itself. Faulty? Nothing faulty in here: There is a con they are working on hiding something they know might be a turn off to a woman so they hide it & have her emotionally invest in him in hopes when they find out about that turn off it won't matter because she's invested. Just like a girl giving out an old attractive photo because she knows a recent one might be a turn off to a man. So she gets him emotionally invested before showing up to the date looking nothing like her picture because it won't matter since he's invested. Lying about height on profile/posting old picture: Both are physical turn offs depending on the height/picture. Both are lying about something that they know may be a turn off to a lot of others. Both are hoping that after the person is emotionally invested in them the lie about the turn off won't matter because love overrule that physical attraction glitch. As for facetious...oh so lying about a picture is a serious issue but lying about height is not a serious issue? Once again it's not about the seriousness it's about the behavior and the intent. What happened to? Me: he also lied about his height because he probably saw it as a disadvantage and wanted to influence her with his personality before she saw something that would most likely be a turn off to her. That way he can sway her to ignoring the lie because she likes him. The response you put directly under that quote: Duh. And you know what, if it works, it would be a benefit for both of them. Why does it suddenly change when the behavior/intent is still the same. Oh that's right because old photo is a key bugger to men so it's different and you're focusing on the consequences/severity rather than logically recognizing the same exact behavior/intention. Hey that girl she also lied about her photo because she probably saw a recent photo as a disadvantage and wanted to influence him with her personality before he saw something that would most likely be a turn off to him. That way she can sway her to ignoring the lie because he likes her. Why no if it works it would a benefit for both of them? Especially when you later on in the same post you put this If you think this is a question of honesty then don't date. Men and women lie to eachother about a billion things, and then when the truth comes to light there is some thunder and lightening but the dust eventually settles and they forgive eachother. This is true for everything except a man's height. Suddenly "honesty" becomes the most important trait to women Edited October 15, 2011 by udolipixie
aj22one Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 As for facetious...oh so lying about a picture is a serious issue but lying about height is not a serious issue? Once again it's not about the seriousness it's about the behavior and the intent. I think it's awfully naive to think that the person you're on a date with is going to be completely honest and forthcoming about everything. I think I'd rather just encourage people to disclose the serious stuff like STIs and the like. Don't even worry about the rest of the stuff. I mean what's the worst that can happen for anyone involved. So the guy lied about his height. The girl still gets to have a nice night out with him and probably a free meal. So what if she lies about something, he at least gets a date. Good Lord, no one's getting married on the first date (at least I hope not).
udolipixie Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 I think it's awfully naive to think that the person you're on a date with is going to be completely honest and forthcoming about everything. I think I'd rather just encourage people to disclose the serious stuff like STIs and the like. Don't even worry about the rest of the stuff. I agree as well. Not on the STI/STD bit though your word doesn't mean jacksh*t when it comes to that. Being completely honest & forthcoming wasn't what I was going for or even implied/stated. I was talking about Wolf18's belief that there no reason not to lie about height and even if the guy is lying about something he sees as an advantage and banking on getting her emotionally invested before revealing the truth so her emotions would overrule her dislike of the lie if it works then both would benefit. So I was wondering if he also thought that a woman banking on emotional investment to overrule her lie is also acceptable to him. Apparently not since it's different. Just amused at the irony of someone LOLing at hypocrisy and asking if I can't see the hypocrisy when he's hypocritical himself. I mean what's the worst that can happen for anyone involved. So the guy lied about his height. The girl still gets to have a nice night out with him and probably a free meal. So what if she lies about something, he at least gets a date. Good Lord, no one's getting married on the first date (at least I hope not). I agree on the what's the worst that can happen attitude. Except the liar should take note that the person could react horrible...one guy ran over a "fat warpig" would gave him an old photo & one girl kicked a guy in the balls and then stomped on them with 6 inch heels. Your view was Wolf18's point only for the guy lie for height apparently the girl lie for photo is different.
somedude81 Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 As for facetious...oh so lying about a picture is a serious issue but lying about height is not a serious issue? Give me one good reason why lying about height is a serious issue. For example I'm 5'6 and lets say that I list my height as 5'8. Go.
udolipixie Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Give me one good reason why lying about height is a serious issue. For example I'm 5'6 and lets say that I list my height as 5'8. Go. As for facetious...oh so lying about a picture is a serious issue but lying about height is not a serious issue? ^ Really thought by most would have gotten it was poking fun at hypocrisy for the same behavior/intention and Wolf18's hypocrisy on the height lying/old photo lying.. I don't think either of that is a "serious issue" to me world issues like poverty, hunger, violence are a serious issue. The "good reason" is the pretty much the same reason as why lying about a picture is apparently so serious- attraction. Whether you think it's nonsense, superficial, too shallow it doesn't really matter since it contributes to her attraction and it may be a key element/significant. Her attraction is important and I'm guessing most likely a serious issue to her. If you wanted to play dictator on what people can consider important in attraction so can the girl posting the old photo she can say hey how my face/body looks isn't and shouldn't be important to you so me posting an old photo is not a serious issue. Though once again I wasn't talking about the "seriousness" or consequences I was talking about behavior. I was talking about Wolf18's belief that there no reason not to lie about height and even if the guy is lying about something he sees as an advantage and banking on getting her emotionally invested before revealing the truth so her emotions would overrule her dislike of the lie if it works then both would benefit. So I was wondering if he also thought that a woman banking on emotional investment to overrule her lie is also acceptable to him.
somedude81 Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 Sorry I didn't pay attention to the smiley and just focused on your words. Still, I find it odd how you say that lying about height as the same as posting an old picture. Though I guess what it depends on is how old the picture is versus how much lying was done. Obviously posting a picture from ten years ago is a worse offense than saying one is two inches shorter than they really are. Though I do wonder how shallow women are? Would a girl really go, "Wait a second, he's not 5'10 he's only 5'8, that bastard!" IMO lying about height and using lifts etc, is roughly equivalent to wearing a push-up bra.
udolipixie Posted October 15, 2011 Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) Sorry I didn't pay attention to the smiley and just focused on your words. The words were As for facetious...oh so lying about a picture is a serious issue but lying about height is not a serious issue? Once again it's not about the seriousness it's about the behavior and the intent. Yeah I put the smiley so since jokes/sarcasm doesn't transfer well since it's the Internet. Even if the context of the text is poking fun at the person some would still nitpick on something and consider it serious. Even if right under it I state I'm not talking about seriousness...which most would get implies I have never stated either of those acts are serious since that's not the topic Yet often when posting a sarcastic reply a person still picks one sentence from the sarcastic sentences and takes it seriously. Smiley was intended to avoid that and emphasize the sarcasm. Still, I find it odd how you say that lying about height as the same as posting an old picture. Odd but a reasonable comparison to me since it's the same behavior/intention with the same goal: The guy is lying about his height to hide something they know might be a turn off to a woman so they hide it & have her emotionally invest in him in hopes when they find out about that turn off it won't matter because she's invested. Just like a girl giving out an old attractive photo because she knows a recent one might be a turn off to a man. So she gets him emotionally invested before showing up to the date looking nothing like her picture because it won't matter since he's invested. Both are physical turn offs depending on the height/picture. Both are lying about something that they know may be a turn off to a lot of others. Both are hoping that after the person is emotionally invested in them the lie about the turn off won't matter because love overrule that physical attraction glitch. Obviously posting a picture from ten years ago is a worse offense than saying one is two inches shorter than they really are. I wasn't going about what was worse or better I was essentially saying that they are the same offense. As for obviously it depends on the person's opinion. Though I do wonder how shallow women are? Would a girl really go, "Wait a second, he's not 5'10 he's only 5'8, that bastard!" It's not how shallow women are it's how shallow some women are. If you're going by how shallow = how much they want someone who fits what they are attracted to. IMO lying about height and using lifts etc, is roughly equivalent to wearing a push-up bra. Pretty much for the lifts since it's using an aid to enhance their appearance to attract those they may normally may not have gotten without the aid just like a push-up bra. If one is not wearing the lifts/push up bra for fashion/style. Lying about the height....I guess if you're speaking in general terms of dishonesty and not the actions behavior/intention and goal. Edited October 15, 2011 by udolipixie
Els Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Yeah, there is some innate disadvantage to a man being short. There is also an innate disadvantage, strictly in terms of how large one's dating pool is, to a woman being born with a less-than-ideal face, a flat chest, a skin disease, untameable hair... Make the most of it or do something about it. No one is ever born with everything they ever wanted. Why have people come to expect that? Since when did admitting, "Yes, this is a disadvantage" automatically get extrapolated to, "I'm disadvantaged, I'm doomed, the world is unfair!" instead of, "Everyone has their own disadvantages and it's okay"?? I don't care about height. Some women do. Big deal.
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