Shaun-Dro Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 This has been happening since as long as I can remember. If you bring up a subject pertaining to what's going on in the world, they run away. For example: if I mention something important on the news, they'll try to change the topic some silly talk show. If I mention that the economy is in a rut, which it is, she'll quickly go quiet and add nothing to the conversation. If I mention that Coney Island is not what it used to be, and that it has a lot of wicked vibes out there, which it does, she'll say I'm being negative. If we eat at restaurant and I mention that the food sucks, which happens to be true sometimes, she'll say I'm too critical and then run off! If I mention that she shouldn't waste her money on silly expensive things because you never know if you'll have a job tomorrow and how you should spend your money more wisely, which is true, she'll say that I'm mean and ignorant. This has happened ever since I was a teenager with women and it hasn't changed an ounce. Men, for some reason, tend to accept things more as they are. Not so with women and it's pathetic. She really is from Venus.
D-Lish Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 This has been happening since as long as I can remember. If you bring up a subject pertaining to what's going on in the world, they run away. For example: if I mention something important on the news, they'll try to change the topic some silly talk show. If I mention that the economy is in a rut, which it is, she'll quickly go quiet and add nothing to the conversation. If I mention that Coney Island is not what it used to be, and that it has a lot of wicked vibes out there, which it does, she'll say I'm being negative. If we eat at restaurant and I mention that the food sucks, which happens to be true sometimes, she'll say I'm too critical and then run off! If I mention that she shouldn't waste her money on silly expensive things because you never know if you'll have a job tomorrow and how you should spend your money more wisely, which is true, she'll say that I'm mean and ignorant. This has happened ever since I was a teenager with women and it hasn't changed an ounce. Men, for some reason, tend to accept things more as they are. Not so with women and it's pathetic. She really is from Venus. When it comes to current events and not being able to talk to your gf about it- Stop dating vapid uninteresting girls then. When it comes to someone else's spending habits- that's really none of your business.
allina Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 They are probably put off by your negative, whiny attitude.
WhiteChocolate Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 They are probably put off by your negative, whiny attitude. I agree with this. All of your points except for the first one about world news are negative. Sure the food might suck, but what I'm thinking is, "Yeah. Oh well, let's eat it and be off." Economy and Coney Island are just...why would you want to talk about it? I'm on a date to have fun, not to ponder over world issues. And what might be silly and expensive is subjective. Make-up, purses, and nice shoes might be silly and expensive to you, but they serve important purposes to women. They demonstrate style, good taste, and social status.
AHardDaysNight Posted October 9, 2011 Posted October 9, 2011 The first point is something that I've never seen happen before. The rest of them, however, could possibly be because of your negative attitude?
Fondue Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 And what might be silly and expensive is subjective. Make-up, purses, and nice shoes might be silly and expensive to you, but they serve important purposes to women. They demonstrate style, good taste, and social status. I just want to comment on this. I don't understand how the brand of clothing they wear demonstrates social status when the next sentence people say, "well, I'm poor. I can't afford x, y, z." It is funny the OP mentions Coney Island. I worked a few days there before I got moved to a "rich" neighborhood in Brooklyn. It was funny to see the folk with fancy phones, clothing, and all that jazz... Yet they are on Medicaid and other social services. It was incredibly interesting to see young men in the buildings talk about their "black ops" skills and how much they play their x-box, then I look over and notice they have a brand new super phone, and what else. Most of these kids were jobless and live in the projects. This is the kind of crap I don't understand. It applies to women. I see so many materialistic women who say they're poor and have no funds, but have the means to accessorize.
Woggle Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Start dating a better class of women. I can discuss world events with my wife any day of the week. It is a shame what is happening to Coney Island though.
Nexus One Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 This has been happening since as long as I can remember. If you bring up a subject pertaining to what's going on in the world, they run away. That's not limited to just one gender. There are people of both genders that tend to stand up and leave when real issues start to get discussed.
D-Lish Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 That's not limited to just one gender. There are people of both genders that tend to stand up and leave when real issues start to get discussed. Exactly- and even if they don't walk off, physically, they tune out.
maysj18 Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 I know so many men who don't know what's going on in the world, nor do they have any desire to learn. I see men spend crazy amounts of money on things that I find to be unreasonable. Special parts for cars, the newest Jordan's, video games, etc. It's not a women-only issue. Unless you guys have been in a long-term relationship and/or she is spending YOUR money, it really is none of your business and I'd be very weirded out and offended if some guy commented on how I spend my money. I think you sound extremely negative. My friend's boyfriend sounds a lot like you. If we decide to go to a restaurant or see a movie that he didn't really want to see, instead of enjoying the company, he complains the whole time. Just because we turn it out and get annoyed, doesn't mean we're not "realistic". He's just a baby when he doesn't get his way.
snug.bunny Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 They are probably put off by your negative, whiny attitude. Haha, I thought that too... OP, you sound like a negative Nancy. Hug it out man.
udolipixie Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 For example: if I mention something important on the news, they'll try to change the topic some silly talk show. Not too many men I know are up to date with important local news much less world news. They know about video games, music, and sports though. Also how it not knowing about something important news mean she's afraid of reality? I would guess you just don't find important after all it's a common thing to more up to date with tv shows and celebrities than with political or economic events. It would mean you're afraid of reality if you go out of your way to not know these things. If I mention that the economy is in a rut, which it is, she'll quickly go quiet and add nothing to the conversation. How is going quiet means she's afraid of reality? I would guess she doesn't want to talk about the sucky economy, she's just shutting her mouth because she thinks you're a woe economy rambler/ranter, or she just doesn't find it important. Though fear of reality is at least somewhat a more reasonable guess here than it was previously. If I mention that Coney Island is not what it used to be, and that it has a lot of wicked vibes out there, which it does, she'll say I'm being negative. How is saying you're negative means she's afraid of reality? She just could have a different opinion and think current Coney is better than past Coney. Or she could just think you're one of those old days were better guys who complain. If we eat at restaurant and I mention that the food sucks, which happens to be true sometimes, she'll say I'm too critical and then run off! How is having a different opinion in food means she's afraid of reality? She could have been denying the food quality or perhaps she liked it or was indifferent. As for the running off not too many people want to stay with a whiner. If I mention that she shouldn't waste her money on silly expensive things because you never know if you'll have a job tomorrow and how you should spend your money more wisely, which is true, she'll say that I'm mean and ignorant. The mean part I get you told her she was wasting her money and called her purchases silly. The ignorant part I also kind of get while you do never know if you'll have a job it is ignorant to assume she's wasting her money. After all she may have savings or this could be a thing she budgets for. Not seeing the fear of reality here unless she was wasting money daily and saying she wasn't & was denying the possibility of ever being unemployed. This has happened ever since I was a teenager with women and it hasn't changed an ounce. Men, for some reason, tend to accept things more as they are. Not so with women and it's pathetic. She really is from Venus. Really? The plentiful threads and post of LS men on here say different....very different. I get plenty of the behavior that you're talking about from men. It's a people thing. 1. Not too many stay up to date with important news 2. Not too many have knowledge about the economy besides it sucks 3. Some people prefer to focus on the positives rather than complaining that the present isn't like the past 4. Some people think with food if it doesn't make you vomit it's not worth being called bad.
Queen Zenobia Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 This has been happening since as long as I can remember. If you bring up a subject pertaining to what's going on in the world, they run away. For example: if I mention something important on the news, they'll try to change the topic some silly talk show. If I mention that the economy is in a rut, which it is, she'll quickly go quiet and add nothing to the conversation. If I mention that Coney Island is not what it used to be, and that it has a lot of wicked vibes out there, which it does, she'll say I'm being negative. If we eat at restaurant and I mention that the food sucks, which happens to be true sometimes, she'll say I'm too critical and then run off! If I mention that she shouldn't waste her money on silly expensive things because you never know if you'll have a job tomorrow and how you should spend your money more wisely, which is true, she'll say that I'm mean and ignorant. This has happened ever since I was a teenager with women and it hasn't changed an ounce. Men, for some reason, tend to accept things more as they are. Not so with women and it's pathetic. She really is from Venus. That's weird. I doubled majored in economics and Middle East Studies for undergrad. I've always been up to date on the happenings of the world (I'm marrying a guy who works for the IMF so obviously I prefer men who do as well). Perhaps it's just the women you're meeting?
norajane Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 This has happened ever since I was a teenager with women and it hasn't changed an ounce. Men, for some reason, tend to accept things more as they are. Not so with women and it's pathetic. She really is from Venus. My guess is the way you are bringing up discussions and the way you are commenting on things is what women find unappealing. If women have always been saying since you were a teenager that you are negative, critical, mean and ignorant...chances are that you are those things, or are consistently expressing yourself that way. Maybe if you express yourself less negatively and are more open-minded about listening to their views, you can have the lively discussions you are looking for. I like a good discussion, but if I'm with someone who just wants to bitch about stuff all the time, that's not really the kind of person that's interesting to talk with.
SincereOnlineGuy Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 This has been happening since as long as I can remember. If you bring up a subject pertaining to what's going on in the world, they run away. For example: if I mention something important on the news, they'll try to change the topic some silly talk show. If I mention that the economy is in a rut, which it is, she'll quickly go quiet and add nothing to the conversation. If I mention that Coney Island is not what it used to be, and that it has a lot of wicked vibes out there, which it does, she'll say I'm being negative. If we eat at restaurant and I mention that the food sucks, which happens to be true sometimes, she'll say I'm too critical and then run off! If I mention that she shouldn't waste her money on silly expensive things because you never know if you'll have a job tomorrow and how you should spend your money more wisely, which is true, she'll say that I'm mean and ignorant. This has happened ever since I was a teenager with women and it hasn't changed an ounce. Men, for some reason, tend to accept things more as they are. Not so with women and it's pathetic. She really is from Venus. Are people really that boring when out for a supposed social evening?? LOL
WhiteChocolate Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 I just want to comment on this. I don't understand how the brand of clothing they wear demonstrates social status when the next sentence people say, "well, I'm poor. I can't afford x, y, z." It is funny the OP mentions Coney Island. I worked a few days there before I got moved to a "rich" neighborhood in Brooklyn. It was funny to see the folk with fancy phones, clothing, and all that jazz... Yet they are on Medicaid and other social services. It was incredibly interesting to see young men in the buildings talk about their "black ops" skills and how much they play their x-box, then I look over and notice they have a brand new super phone, and what else. Most of these kids were jobless and live in the projects. This is the kind of crap I don't understand. It applies to women. I see so many materialistic women who say they're poor and have no funds, but have the means to accessorize. They say they're poor and have no funds, which is true, since they don't have the income to support the lifestyle they want to live. They want to live out a certain lifestyle like the ones they see on TV. They are trying to live outside of their means. But they are still trying to achieve the middle-class social status way of life. Yeah it is materialistic. But what else are they suppose to hope to achieve without an education?
Woggle Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Investing in things of real value would probably get them higher status. People who actually are successful laugh at people from a poor area that spend their rent money on absurdly expensive fashions. It seems the people with actual money are much more practical and low key about status symbols.
ChessPieceFace Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 Thoughts for the OP: - Yes, women are less interested in matters of substance than men - Many men today are also disinterested in said matters of substance, and are just as controlled by the entertainment culture. Things will probably change once the economy implodes and we start enjoying the New Great Depression. - Your examples were mostly negative, I think you likely dwell on negative things (I do too, but you have to try to balance it more) - If you want to be a crusader or activist in political matters, I'm sure some women out there would support those views, but most will be turned off by it
Woggle Posted October 10, 2011 Posted October 10, 2011 If you want to meet a woman interested in political matters just hear right over to the protests in your city.
johnnyk Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Geez what a sexist question to ask. I'm a guy and know plenty of other guys who are shallow people. It's not just women, even though it may seem that way.
Mme. Chaucer Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 i don't think you necessarily have a firm grasp on reality yourself. Also, I believe you're misinterpreting how women are reacting to stuff you are saying if you think it's "fear." It's not fear of reality. I promise.
Wolf18 Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 I think both men and women are apathetic and so stupidly optimistic it's delusional. The extreme optimism of American people is escapism, people would rather tune out and think of Family Guy or football over worry about icky things like their nation or their future. Unfortunately I have to say though, that while most men are like this, there is still a sizeable minority who you can have very deep and interesting discussions with. I really can't say the same thing about women. I have met 2 women who are pretty intelligent and even they sort of keep quiet if I want to talk about a world event or Buddhism. It's very hard for me to connect to women for this reason. I'm not a snob that needs to talk about deep things all the time, but I find that when there's women around the conversation takes a turn for the dumb and empty such as cute hair, Jersey Shore, and other woman stuff. I've also noticed that men I usually talk about interesting things with will suddenly avoid topics like that when women are around, so I can't be the only one. I love to joke around and get women to laugh, but I find often times if I make an intelligent joke it goes way over womens heads. It's just a difference in the sexes I suppose.
Wolf18 Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Nietzsche always said optimism is effeminate and cowardly. The world can be an ugly place and the only way to make it better is by accepting this fact. You can say that an alcoholic who refuses to acknowledge the fact is "optimistic", but it ain't helping him any.
Almond_Joy Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 This has been happening since as long as I can remember. If you bring up a subject pertaining to what's going on in the world, they run away. For example: if I mention something important on the news, they'll try to change the topic some silly talk show. If I mention that the economy is in a rut, which it is, she'll quickly go quiet and add nothing to the conversation. If I mention that Coney Island is not what it used to be, and that it has a lot of wicked vibes out there, which it does, she'll say I'm being negative. If we eat at restaurant and I mention that the food sucks, which happens to be true sometimes, she'll say I'm too critical and then run off! If I mention that she shouldn't waste her money on silly expensive things because you never know if you'll have a job tomorrow and how you should spend your money more wisely, which is true, she'll say that I'm mean and ignorant. This has happened ever since I was a teenager with women and it hasn't changed an ounce. Men, for some reason, tend to accept things more as they are. Not so with women and it's pathetic. She really is from Venus. Your first two examples may just be that the woman you're seeing doesn't keep up with the news or current environmental state of affairs. I think that may be more of a generational thing - most people I talk to around my age don't really follow the news. The Coney Island example kind of falls in a gray area, as I'd think the woman's response depends on her experience with/knowledge of Coney Island. Your restaurant example, directly following the Coney Island example, does make you sound overly critical of things in general (even if the food does suck).... And that last example, you do sound controlling. Not mean, but definitely controlling. She's probably well aware that she could save her money for a rainy day...but if she chooses not to, that's on her. And she doesn't need you to remind her of that :-/.
Almond_Joy Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Hug it out man. hugs are pretty great lol....
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