Eye Opening Convo w/female friend

[eatNrM]

:lmao:

 

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haha you know I'm kidding sweetheart:love:

[TheSingleGuy]

Lurked,

 

I really don't care about her at all. It's just that, I've read about this, and I've heard about this on Leykis Radio, and I thought I understood it. But now that I've been a part of this, it all hit home. It hit home with me that women almost always sleep with me on the first date. Then I realized that most guys have to go on several dates before they get a piece. So now that I know which category I'm in with these women, I know how to behave. Because, yes, I can see where, if they meet me and have me in one category and then I start exhibiting traits that go with another category, I'm sending mixed signals. She was expecting the guy who would be aggressive about ****ing her brains out out and now he's acting like the nice husband type. I have a feeling I'm gonna be sleeping with lots of beautiful women over the coming months and years.

 

It's just a very eye opening experience for me. I can look back now, at girls from the past who slept with me once or twice and blew me off or blew me off without sleeping with me and now I know why. It helps me massively to know WHY she blew me off because previously, I viewed that as rejection, as in, they weren't attracted to me. But looking back, not once have I ever gotten the "Let's just be friends speech". It all makes sense now. My ex-girlfriend insisted that all women were attracted to me but I never really believed her. I'm new to being the hot guy. My brain was not willing to believe it, that all my efforts in the physical attraction department were working. But now that I have all this concrete evidence, I can see now, clearly, how women view me. I can look back at the last two women I pursued, who blew me off, and now I k ow EXACTLY the mistake I made and how to avoid those simple mistakes in the future. The light has finally come on, my life is gonna be VERY different going forward.

 

As for the girl, I still believe she's selling a false pack of lies to her mr right.

[spiderowl]

I haven't read any of your other postings, to my knowledge, but just reading this the thing that stands out is you talk about women without much respect. Your written chat screams 'player' or pick-up-artist. If you are in the habit of treating women in this casual way, then it's not surprising that the women you want to be more than casual with get the wrong impression. Seriously, from the way you talk, I would not risk getting involved with you as you clearly don't care much for women. Those looking for serious relationships will be looking for a more respectful attitude towards women in general because, after all, they are women too!

[Pierre]

Lurked,

 

I really don't care about her at all. It's just that, I've read about this, and I've heard about this on Leykis Radio, and I thought I understood it. But now that I've been a part of this, it all hit home. It hit home with me that women almost always sleep with me on the first date. Then I realized that most guys have to go on several dates before they get a piece. So now that I know which category I'm in with these women, I know how to behave. Because, yes, I can see where, if they meet me and have me in one category and then I start exhibiting traits that go with another category, I'm sending mixed signals. She was expecting the guy who would be aggressive about ****ing her brains out out and now he's acting like the nice husband type. I have a feeling I'm gonna be sleeping with lots of beautiful women over the coming months and years.

 

It's just a very eye opening experience for me. I can look back now, at girls from the past who slept with me once or twice and blew me off or blew me off without sleeping with me and now I know why. It helps me massively to know WHY she blew me off because previously, I viewed that as rejection, as in, they weren't attracted to me. But looking back, not once have I ever gotten the "Let's just be friends speech". It all makes sense now. My ex-girlfriend insisted that all women were attracted to me but I never really believed her. I'm new to being the hot guy. My brain was not willing to believe it, that all my efforts in the physical attraction department were working. But now that I have all this concrete evidence, I can see now, clearly, how women view me. I can look back at the last two women I pursued, who blew me off, and now I k ow EXACTLY the mistake I made and how to avoid those simple mistakes in the future. The light has finally come on, my life is gonna be VERY different going forward.

 

As for the girl, I still believe she's selling a false pack of lies to her mr right.

 

Whether you have sex or not on the 1st date also depends on you and the dating pool you have.

 

I never tried to sleep with a woman I barely know because it makes no sense to me. I prefer to have sex with someone i know well and after we are in a relationship.

 

I see all these men and women that do the "f**** them and forget them" drill and it makes no sense to me. So I never date for sport I generally wait until I am dating someone that will likely be my GF. Honestly I think my system works well for me because I enjoy been in relationships.

 

IN any event, I have no good advice to you other than to change your social circle. If every women you ever dated wanted to sleep with you right away you are dating in a strange land. Please post the name of the town where you live so all the resident virgin men can move there.

[Andy_K]

As far as I'm concerned, "mr right" is being sold a false bill of goods by this selfish little princess. She's painting the picture for him that she'd never sleep with a guy on the first date but that is in fact what she does. I can't tell you how PISSED I'd be if I was conned into marrying some woman under these false pretenses. She won't sleep with him right away because she sees the potential of a real relationship. It's all a pack of lies as far as I'm concerned. And it would be really insulting to me as a man that she didn't see me as sexy enough to sleep with on the first date too. The others were "irresistable" but the guy who gets to marry her wasn't. That's the way I see it.

 

QFT.

 

This is why, in many ways, I'll have more respect for a girl if we have sex sooner rather than later. At least that way I know she's not presenting a false front to me.

 

If someone wants to wait because they genuinely don't feel comfortable getting intimate quickly, then I respect that. But girls who wait in order to 'test' your intentions or make you think she's a 'good girl'? Not so much. That's the beginnings of game playing and deceiptfulness, and I disapprove of such things.

 

Nobody wants to be the guy she didn't fancy enough to sleep with on the first date if she's done it half a dozen times before...

[Pierre]

QFT.

 

This is why, in many ways, I'll have more respect for a girl if we have sex sooner rather than later. At least that way I know she's not presenting a false front to me.

 

 

 

Nobody wants to be the guy she didn't fancy enough to sleep with on the first date if she's done it half a dozen times before...

 

The better woman is the woman that never sleeps with men on the 1st date. Regardless of the man's quality.

 

Many women on this forum only have sex once they are in a relationship, otherwise they do not have casual sex.

[Emilia]

The better woman is the woman that never sleeps with men on the 1st date. Regardless of the man's quality.

 

Many women on this forum only have sex once they are in a relationship, otherwise they do not have casual sex.

 

... and are they happy? No, they keep posting here for years. Whether you are the type to sleep with someone or not doesn't determine what quality you are. It is only indicative of your personality

[Pierre]

... and are they happy? No, they keep posting here for years. Whether you are the type to sleep with someone or not doesn't determine what quality you are. It is only indicative of your personality

 

Is having sex right away something that leads to greater happiness?

 

Why do you assume that having sex only within a relationship is not associated with happiness?

[oaks]

Nobody wants to be the guy she didn't fancy enough to sleep with on the first date if she's done it half a dozen times before...

 

I don't want to sleep with anyone on the first date, so I'm not sure I agree with your statement.

[bluenightowl]

Wow!!! I've heard about this on Leykis and I've read about it numerous times as well. When women meet men, they go into one of three categories: 1.) No Attraction 2.) Want to f*** the **** out of him but he's clearly not relationship material & 3.) He seems like he's got his act together and would make a good husband.

 

I think there is some truth to this. But what causes women to put you into one of these categories is how you behave as much as them. If you act intense and sexual very early on, she might just want to have a go with you. If you act like a man with self-control and wait for sex, she might see you has husband material.

 

However, I think a lot of women (not all) who have early sex, often do it because of their self-esteem. They are looking for validation. Sometimes that validation is simply getting experience on the part of younger women. They had sex once and all their friends have had sex 5 times and they want to learn, but its still coming from that space of I'm don't know who I am. BTW men do exactly the same thing.

 

As for the guy who is just going for the 20 years olds and never wants to get married. I think you bought the media kool-aid dude. You're having great sex, but if you ever strike a fabulous connection that leads to a long term relationship - a really good one, you'll then know what you're missing and getting your @#$@ wet for a few minutes will seem so shallow after a while. I think you said you were in your 20's however. Attitudes change over time and sometimes you need to go through this period to see the other side of it all.

[TheSingleGuy]

++++Many women on this forum only have sex once they are in a relationship, otherwise they do not have casual sex++++

 

And I don't believe them. In real life, I've asked women "Have you ever cheated on your boyfriend or husband?" All but one have said "no".

 

Then, you phrase the question another way and you get a completely different response, usually. By asking "Do you think many women cheat on their husbands or boyfriends?" Then you will get the truth.

 

Try it. You will see.

[JokeMan]

++++Many women on this forum only have sex once they are in a relationship, otherwise they do not have casual sex++++

 

And I don't believe them. In real life, I've asked women "Have you ever cheated on your boyfriend or husband?" All but one have said "no".

 

Then, you phrase the question another way and you get a completely different response, usually. By asking "Do you think many women cheat on their husbands or boyfriends?" Then you will get the truth.

 

Try it. You will see.

 

Of course women lie. Lie about whether they cheated in the past, how many times they've sl*tted around, all that sh*t.

[Pierre]

 

However, I think a lot of women (not all) who have early sex, often do it because of their self-esteem. They are looking for validation. Sometimes that validation is simply getting experience on the part of younger women. They had sex once and all their friends have had sex 5 times and they want to learn, but its still coming from that space of I'm don't know who I am. BTW men do exactly the same thing.

 

In my experience this is usually true.

 

These women are also very responsive to positive stimulation and respond well to adulation and admiration. It is important for men to know that they are likely this way with many other men and that there is nothing special about the behavior or having sex early on.

[bluenightowl]

It is important for men to know that they are likely this way with many other men and that there is nothing special about the behavior or having sex early on.

 

+1 very true form my experience. And you see men fall for such women all the time here on LS, and then they are baffled why she changed her mind so quickly and is now dating another guy.

 

Some of these women could and might be great people as well, but in a sense you are almost taking advantage of their low self-esteem and their state of confusion and when they change their mind, you end up being jaded men, thinking all women are b@#$@#.

 

So TheSingleGuy can pump and dump, but any guys looking for a relationship would avoid the scenario altogether.. and focus on personality as much as loos and if she is worthy and ready for your attention.

 

That's how you'll find a keeper and avoid becoming jaded.

[bluenightowl]

Nobody wants to be the guy she didn't fancy enough to sleep with on the first date if she's done it half a dozen times before...

 

There's lots of men that don't want women who sleep with a half dozen of men after the first date. Is that what you are looking for?

 

That seems more like just wanting sex. Nothing wrong with that, but if you want a relationship, it sounds like you're starting from a point of fear about being the guy who didn't get sex early and thus you will perceive yourself as a loser. I think that's totally backwards. Sex is easy to get even as a guy and easier by the day I feel with women having more liberal attitudes towards sex. If you come across somewhat confident, many women will go for it with you.

 

Having the skill to nurture a fabulous relationship and avoid the pitfalls of divorce later on is the harder skill to understand. I'd be focusing on that. Learning how to have a great relationship and learning how to get a women in bed are two different things in my books, but often the wires get crossed.

[Andy_K]

There's lots of men that don't want women who sleep with a half dozen of men after the first date. Is that what you are looking for?

 

I'd have no problem getting into a serious relationship with a girl who's had sex on the first date a few times before. I've done it myself, therefore I see no wrong in it, and wouldn't judge a girl negatively for it. Unless we're talking really big numbers here.

 

I accept that in this day and age, a lot of girls can/do/have slept with guys early on.

 

My point really, is that when I find the perfect girl. I want to be both the type of guy she's really hot for, *and* the type of guy she wants a relationship with. Not one or the other. Love, lust, the complete deal.

 

Unlike many guys, I don't want to have sex with the 'bad/fun girl' and marry the 'good girl'. I want a relationship with a girl who is both, and openly admits so.

 

it sounds like you're starting from a point of fear about being the guy who didn't get sex early

 

It's fair to say that I'm not interested in being with a girl who has felt much stronger sexual chemistry with some other guy than she does with me, regardless of how much she likes my personality. It's all or nothing!

[TheSingleGuy]

++++My point really, is that when I find the perfect girl. I want to be both the type of guy she's really hot for, *and* the type of guy she wants a relationship with. Not one or the other. Love, lust, the complete deal++++

 

That is impossible to do, my friend. Women are attracted to new and mysterious. They are not attracted to boring and predictable.

 

All humans are pretty boring and predictable. If you're not predictable, it's a safe bet your friends are calling you "psycho" behind your back.

[Pierre]

You don't understand. I wonder if you lot lack the capacity to understand or just don't want to see the elephant sitting on the couch.

 

1) Women have sexual desires as strong as men. I do not see women or the white knights spew an never-ending belief that the men who indulge in casual sex are in any way defected or have low self-esteem. No, you lot accept a mans' acceptance of easy sex as the natural urges of the male sex, but a woman, when she's just looking to have sex, has to have had a traumatic event occurring to her for it seems that women only have willing and pleasurable sex in relationships.

 

2)So, this forum contains many threads from women who are in fwbs or looking for fwbs or are multi-dating(and having sex with the guys), having some fun, not thinking of commitment.

 

3)Are you going to inform these women that they're victims of men and that they should only put out if they have a ring on their fingers? Is what I say not valid because many of the women in fwbs and on this forum are in their 30's? Then, what about that little fact of many of them fcking younger men for sport? I don't see women or men commentating on the victim-hood of those guys, I don't even see the older women in fwbs being told to fck men their own age and to leave younger men to younger women.

 

4)Or young women are oblivious to their own maturity and cannot make weighted decisions because by following their natural inclination to fck hot men, they are making a disservice to older women? That is to say that older women cannot bargain the price of sex because younger, hottet women are putting out for free?

 

Must be that. Drug dealers hate competition.

 

5)I am aware of women's conflicting wantings and needs. In one hand we have beyonce in her early 20's proclaiming to the 4 winds that she's independent and has no use for a man, only to have that woman pissed off, 10 years later or so, venting her frustration on that funny song ''you should have put a ring on it if you liked it''.

 

See, that's the crux of the argument. Why should I pay for rotting eggs? What does an older woman have that I could possibly want?

 

What is this bipolar behavior? First I was the man she craved but since I am not going to pay for something that - if it floats, fcks or cooks, rent it -she would have had with another attractive man, but I'm supposed to pay(and massively so) for what she also enjoyed?

 

This can be also of the women who had fwbs(pretty much every woman; high school ''relationships'' are fwbs in the linear sense) and now thinking that it's time for me to man-up. fck that. Only a handful of males command my respect and my adoration, the rest of the world can go fck itself.

 

6)Marriage used to be a worthwhile adventure for a man to take part on. He'd have a woman who at least would pretend to love him, he had his kids with him, and the wife wouldn't bother him. He'd go to the brothel for the wife had an headache everyday and life was smooth.

 

Sweet irony of mine.. nonetheless; a man nowadays is nothing more than a walking atm machine for his partner. Most marriages(most relationships don't last more than 2 years)don't work out and are terminated by the women, this is after years of dating and getting to know the man. I guess that after signing himself up for legal slavery he''s going to cheat on the woman, or beat her up, or ignore her

 

You do know that the bulk of everything in your life was thought of, designed, and created by men, right? Most males might be idiots when a pussy is near them, but we are not retards.

 

7)Marriage is the symbol of perpetual slavery. It has never brightened men's life at all. Men married and marry thinking that they're embracing a loving wife, that sex will be abundant and that they're set for life. It couldn't be far from the truth. Most of the married men I have met or talked to are in a deep state of despair. Wifey is now oprah-sized, cheats on them, sexually deprives them, or is similar to the nazis in how nagging/moral-dropping they are.

 

How is a man a real man by marrying? fellas, as I've said before; women live their lives in 3 stages.

 

8)stage 1 encompasses the age of 14-22; women are young, beautiful, horny, and can have the pick of the litter. You as a man, if you are a good-looking man, are going to be adored and you'll have your shadow overcrowded by the shadow of young women wanting a bite off your sausage.

 

These women aren't sick or looking for a relationship with they men they sleep with. All they want is a rough fck by a surfer, a bad boy, or the local jon bon jovi.. their desire do not link them to emotional instability nor does it convert the men who sleep with them into predators or into men who are ''afraid'' of older women.

 

stage 2 - the women reached the age of 25 and the biological clock starts to tick away, unless they start now on finding a guy guiible enough to invest his best years on them, they are going to enter fwbs with high-quality males hoping for the men to turn around and realize how much they are ''lubbbbbbbbbbbed.''

 

A woman from that stage is a sight to behold. She'll be working the cock of the Alpha male and at the same time she'll be out on dates with beta males, appealing to their emotions and pretending to only put out in the wholesome of a commited relationship, but then they go to suck an alpha's male sausage at 3 in the morning.

 

stage 3 - preferably to the woman she's married or living with a sucker. This is when cute guys have easy sex from married women. Married women are usually in their 30's and can no longer attract Alpha males as the Alpha males are busy inspecting the new crop of 18-22 hotties, although the married woman can find a patron in a 50 year old alpha male.

 

9)Around a woman's mid-30's the need for alpha cock returns and she tells her husband that she needs to find herself or that she loves him but doesn't love him anymore.

 

Marriage counselors and psychologists have their survival guaranteed by marriage and by ''serious relationship'' so it is no wonder when they side with the married woman to bash the husband.

 

Well, what is there to say? A real man, to a woman, has his value as a real man depending on the woman's life group; group 1, a tall, good-looking man is a real man; group 2, a man with college education or a job is a real man; group 3 a man sucker enough to marry or live with a woman is the real man.

 

Oh boy, and when the guy is paying alimony and child-support, he's no longer the real man but the idiot women are laughing at as they're fcking the younger men who've moved in, into the ex-husbands former house. Don't think for a moment that you own ****. You probably paid for a lot of things but you're clearly mistaken if you think that you are going to receive anything from the divorce.

 

10)You have a prenup? Big fcking deal; prenups are considered invalid all the time. Do you have a good bank account? She's gonna take most of it. Do you still have your first car, a collection's car? her lover is going to drive it, thank you, sucker!

 

No pleasant way to put this. Marriage and commitment is a scam created by women and by the ancient feminists(the original branch of feminism) to transfer wealth from men to women since women are obviously incapable of creating it.

 

All of what I said has been discussed extensively by proper sociologists, psychologists and marriage concelors, but the people who do care about this realistic wasteland of political and emotional background are shunned by the feminist global corporation and they have their works on the subject banned and they lose their jobs.

 

11)Returning to older women shaming men into not dating/fcking younger women;

 

At the age of 17 my father enlisted. My grandfather enlisted when he was 15; his father at the age of 14. Don't you guys think that if a man is old enough to be sent to a war(major wars) and returns as a hero than then a woman as old as 18 is developed enough to decide, properly, whom she is going to sleep with and if it's nothing more than the sexual satisfaction of a longing for hot men?

 

Unless you want to come out and tell me that women are emotionally immature until they are in their 30's and shouldn't have jobs nor the right to vote?

 

Nah.

 

12)This is just another instance of ''I want to eat my cake and while I'm on it I'm going to blame the man who baked the cake for how fat I'm becoming''.

 

I know. That speech works on lesser men so you really have no idea how to deal with me. But I descend from the Legions of Julius Caesar; from the soldiers who fought for the nation's independence and from the men who told Germany circa. first world war, and Hitler, to go fck themselves.

 

I obey no one. I care nothing for what people say and I'll only pay attention to what a man, superior to me, says, and a man such as that one is as rare as a female virgin in New York City.

 

 

I think this is an excellent post and there is a lot of truth in most points.

 

Unfortunately, I detect a bit of bitterness, which in the end colors our opinions.

 

However, this is the future of human sexuality. I will say there is a bit of selfisness in the future.:eek:

[bluenightowl]

I think this is an excellent post and there is a lot of truth in most points.

 

Unfortunately, I detect a bit of bitterness, which in the end colors our opinions.

 

However, this is the future of human sexuality. I will say there is a bit of selfisness in the future.:eek:

 

Well actually the post is full of bitterness, and I can't take this post seriously, but doesn't really matter. These people are just looking for flings. I know how to get a fling. That's kindergarden work. I can't learn from people who have given up on the idea of a healthy relationship and are too jaded to try.

[bluenightowl]

Of course you don't. You can't really supply me with valid points, discussing everything I've said, because it's all true and you're gonna take the female high-road of ignoring it or saying that I'm bitter. I've already written somewhere that this is the typical approach from women, to what they don't want to hear.

 

Doesn't matter. When your sex stops being the parasites in men's lives, we can talk. Until then go misinform the sexually starving young men who'll accept all those incredibly erroneous and feminized beliefs because they think that by doing so, women are going to put out.

 

Actually its more simple, I really can't learn anything about healthy relationships from a guy who is focused on only finding women to put out. I've been there, but I think you can have a healthy relationship with a woman.

Edited September 30, 2011 by bluenightowl

[Pierre]

I'm not interested in relationships. Some men are smart, that is all.

 

Hmm

:eek:

 

Rationalization is a defense mechanism that involves explaining an unacceptable behavior or feeling in a rational or logical manner, avoiding the true reasons for the behavior. For example, a person who is turned down for a date might rationalize the situation by saying they were not attracted to the other person anyway, or a student might blame a poor exam score on the instructor rather than his or her lack of preparation.

Rationalization not only prevents anxiety, it may also protect self-esteem and self-concept. When confronted by success or failure, people tend to attribute achievement to their own qualities and skills while failures are blamed on other people or outside forces.

[Pierre]

Funny, I just made a post on this subject in another thread. Being too much of a "boyfriend material" can be a recipe for blue balls!

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3653868#post3653868

 

Hmm:laugh::laugh:

 

The joke is that marriage is the best way to kill a perfectly good sex life. But while single guys may think they are getting more sex, the truth is they aren’t getting as much as their married buddies, even if they have girlfriends. According to several studies, about 40% of married men have sex twice a week, yet only 20-25% of single men have sex that often, including those with live-in girlfriends. But does married sex mean sad, perfunctory sex?

Better Sex

 

Despite the impression that single guys may hold about wife sex versus free love with an unattached woman, at least two major studies concluded that married men enjoy a much higher rate of physical and emotional satisfaction with their sex lives. Married couples not only have familiarity going for them – which means less of that awkward early-days fumbling – but people in a committed, trusting relationship are far more likely to try new and interesting adventures in the sack.

 

 

http://nakedhealth.avvo.com/2011/03/7-surprising-differences-between-single-and-married-men/

[OnyxSnowfall]

Ely, are you really going to presume to *know* the ratio?

 

Fact: SOME married men are happy. SOME married men are unhappy. SOME single men are happy. SOME single men are unhappy.

 

ALL ARE POSSIBILITIES... many likely exist independent of their "relationships status" or "lack of one". The former can certainly be a great support and stress release for men --- as it can certainly contribute to the opposite (dismantle them and become a burden). But the latter is NOT inevitable.

 

And I'm sorry if females are beginning to *genuinely* (not out of spite etc) value male physique more and more. It could very well be true --- I'm not going to pretend to speak for other females, but honestly... I myself... am unable to "value" a man's physique.

 

It's just not stimulating enough. LOL.

 

Also, your "staging" of woman and the like is just nuts. I'm sorry for the females that behave in such ways. If they somehow magically represent the "majority", there's still a "minority" to appeal to that "debunks" your bull **** regardless.

 

(I thought marriage was a man made convention by the way? And alimony was implemented because men were kicking their older wives out on the street and shacking up with younger women lol --- maybe that's a myth, can't say as I haven't researched it).

 

Pretty much it sounds like you've been burned and now you're vomiting your misconceptions out in ways that bury what the "whole" of things are. Anyone swayed by your craziness probably needs to learn the hard way anyway...

 

It's not all about cock though. While many women can orgasm/derive great pleasure through vaginal penetration alone... there's usually more dynamics going on. That's probably partially why the "low self-esteem" and "validation" was brought up. It's foolish to think THAT LOW SELF-ESTEEM IS NEVER THE CASE with women you sleep with.

 

God, I don't know how many women I used to know who would tell me that so and so just "loved" them so much because they were banged by them (meanwhile, so and so was often banging someone else too... and so and so would always leave them all in a fit of tears at some point).

 

Often times females equate sex to something it's just NOT to the many men they have it with. There's also dozens of reasons people have sex --- practicality, to gain something, to spite, for exercise lol, boredom --- that don't involve wanting physical pleasure... especially not just pure "cock".

 

I don't know about other females, but cock in and of itself is just not that great. It has to be attached to an intriguing man --- and while intriguing varies from person to person --- my idea of intriguing doesn't have to do with a vessel.

 

Alas...

 

There's probably no hope for you Ely.

 

Ely :(:(

Edited September 30, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall

[Ruby Slippers]

That's what women fall onto when a guy explains to them the current marriage drought and why so many young men in their prime are giving the old hand a good yank and are feeding the gaming industry coffers instead of dating/chasing after women/putting up with girlfriends

Right. It's women's fault that an army of perfectly fit and capable 20-something men are sitting on their asses with their dicks in their hands.

 

As long as you keep playing the victim, you will continue to make yourself the victim.

[OnyxSnowfall]

This study brought to you by the Wedding Planners Association of America

 

:rolleyes: