Another question about porn

[OnyxSnowfall]

Additionally.

 

Whatever you are *looking* for, you WILL FIND.

 

And it WILL be to the detriment of ignoring EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND YOU. That absolutely EXISTS simultaneously and PERHAPS in an even greater ratio individually...

 

And certainly when compared to everything else altogether --- it will be THE MINORITY.

 

start LOOKING for something else and you will begin to FIND that.

 

You make your perception.

 

You can validate it with similar ones, but that doesn't mean they're the truth.

[Taramere]

Is it not obvious that many women feel this way? Just look at the walkway wife epidemic and how often you hear about how women think of men as overgrown babies and would rather be single. If this is the way they really feel why get mad when men find some sexual release on our own.

 

Nancy Mitford called them "bolters"...and I think that's what they were called in my mother's day too. Bolters. I think that sounds far more glamorous and exciting than "walkaway wife". Walkaway wife sounds a bit plodding and dull, whereas bolter makes you think of a glamorous filly hoofing it away at the speed of light. Racing off to find itself. Hopefully cheered on by other untameable fillies as it goes.

 

Better?

[KathyM]

The problem with porn is that it desensitizes men for the real thing. When they are bombarded with these images over and over, they have a hard time dealing with the real thing. It also, for many, becomes a replacement for the real thing, and men end up turning to porn instead of their wives, for sexual satisfaction. Porn may have some use as a teaching tool for someone wanting to figure out some new sexual techniques to please his/her partner, but other than that, it becomes a replacement for the real thing, and no good can come from that.

[ChessPieceFace]

Who is stopping a grown man from using porn?

 

I'd likely regard a man who indulged in hours of porn and video games daily as an overgrown baby. Doesn't mean I'm stopping him. We make our choices, and create our destinies.

 

Babies use porn now??

 

 

But seriously, maybe more and more men are spending their time with video games and porn because they're more interesting, more rewarding and infinitely less demanding than spoiled, "entitled" western women. Women who want us to be a walking contradiction, either chivalrous or 'enlightened' in any given situation (here's a tip on how to tell the situations apart -- anything that gives the woman the best of everything is "correct"), attentive to their needs while letting them walk all over us, and all in the name of twisted, modern feminism.

 

You see, feminized American Women, you have priced yourselves out of the market. Simply put -- you aren't worth it.

 

The problem with porn is that it desensitizes men for the real thing. When they are bombarded with these images over and over, they have a hard time dealing with the real thing. It also, for many, becomes a replacement for the real thing, and men end up turning to porn instead of their wives, for sexual satisfaction. Porn may have some use as a teaching tool for someone wanting to figure out some new sexual techniques to please his/her partner, but other than that, it becomes a replacement for the real thing, and no good can come from that.

 

I would agree that a long-term porn habit is a danger for anyone who seriously intends to pursue a relationship. The problem is, for instance in my case -- if it wasn't for porn I'd have not had any sexual imagery at all up until now, 35 years of age! Is THAT healthy, or fair? Absolutely not. So in my case, I am just hopeful that if I ever find a worthwhile woman who is not like the worthless feminized man-hater I described above (and also incidentally compatible with me), that she would be open enough to accept some amount of porn in a relationship, and that I likewise would be able to accept "normal" sex. If I can't -- oh well, I've had more fun by myself than probably most guys have in relationships (lol.) Maybe they've had more fun for short periods, but I think I've won out in the long-term.

Edited September 26, 2011 by ChessPieceFace

[KathyM]

Babies use porn now??

 

 

But seriously, maybe more and more men are spending their time with video games and porn because they're more interesting, more rewarding and infinitely less demanding than spoiled, "entitled" western women. Women who want us to be a walking contradiction, either chivalrous or 'enlightened' in any given situation (here's a tip on how to tell the situations apart -- anything that gives the woman the best of everything is "correct"), attentive to their needs while letting them walk all over us, and all in the name of twisted, modern feminism.

 

You see, feminized American Women, you have priced yourselves out of the market. Simply put -- you aren't worth it.

 

 

 

I would agree that a long-term porn habit is a danger for anyone who seriously intends to pursue a relationship. The problem is, for instance in my case -- if it wasn't for porn I'd have not had any sexual imagery at all up until now, 35 years of age! Is THAT healthy, or fair? Absolutely not. So in my case, I am just hopeful that if I ever find a worthwhile woman who is not like the worthless feminized man-hater I described above (and also incidentally compatible with me), that she would be open enough to accept some amount of porn in a relationship, and that I likewise would be able to accept "normal" sex. If I can't -- oh well, I've had more fun by myself than probably most guys have in relationships (lol.) Maybe they've had more fun for short periods, but I think I've won out in the long-term.

Spoken by a man who's never met a good woman. Video games and porn can't compete with the love and attention of a real woman who knows how to treat her man.

[coolheadal]

Learn to control oneself with the porn stuff. Huge industry to make money from lust and weak urges for a relationship with a girl for guys and a guy with girls.

[ChessPieceFace]

Spoken by a man who's never met a good woman.

 

Never met a good woman who was single, who I was interested in and who was also interested in me, nope.

 

Video games and porn can't compete with the love and attention of a real woman who knows how to treat her man.

 

If you indeed have any actual desire to treat a man with any genuine respect or love, other than just faking it to get your "catch" and male body you can exploit, that puts you ahead of most western women. As for that ideal situation being better than video games and porn... I dunno. I really do like my video games, and I have a great imagination. I can "be with" any girl I want. Fantasy may not be real, but reality usually SUCKS.

[Symetrical-Siren]

I certainly hope this hasn't pushed you to watching "gay" porn, since women are not included in those. Besides, not all women are anti-porn. I personally find RL porn too fake and hokey. At least in hentai, it's animated....so you can't see their faces, and how terrible their acting skills are. So the mystery of how the "real" person behind the voice is actually a turn on. And the sounds the girls make in hentai porn is just delectably priceless.

 

Yummy! >(^-^)< m e o w

Edited September 26, 2011 by Symetrical-Siren

[udolipixie]

But seriously, maybe more and more men are spending their time with video games and porn because they're more interesting, more rewarding and infinitely less demanding than spoiled, "entitled" western women. Women who want us to be a walking contradiction, either chivalrous or 'enlightened' in any given situation (here's a tip on how to tell the situations apart -- anything that gives the woman the best of everything is "correct"), attentive to their needs while letting them walk all over us, and all in the name of twisted, modern feminism.

 

You see, feminized American Women, you have priced yourselves out of the market. Simply put -- you aren't worth it.

 

Odd how men have the word for the women who are demanding, spoiled, self entitled, and want contradictory things...akak feminized.

 

Yet what word do women have for the men who are demanding, spoiled, self entitled and want contradictory things...and don't act like those men are few in numbers.

 

There's demanding men- sexual, emotional, etc.

There's spoiled men- thinking the a wife is a babysitter, cook, chef, and maid for them

There's self entitled men- thinking because he has a d*ck that he doesn't need to provide attraction and that he should be able to get someone he's attracted to will while she should be willing to trade in her attraction for his good qualities.

There's men who want contradictory things- after all how many want a housewife yet don't want to be the sole breadwinner...how many men want working wives who focus on the household while they themselves work and just pitch in...needing her to be independent but dependent at the same time.....and of course have her serving him yet does he serve her

 

Demanding, spoiled, self entitled, and wanting contradictory things isn't a gender thing but a people thing.

 

 

I would agree that a long-term porn habit is a danger for anyone who seriously intends to pursue a relationship. The problem is, for instance in my case -- if it wasn't for porn I'd have not had any sexual imagery at all up until now, 35 years of age! Is THAT healthy, or fair? Absolutely not.

Fair? Sorry but no one owes you sex unless you paid a hooker and she cheated you.

 

Are you aware you can solve this issue with prostitutes or a mail order bride?

[KathyM]

Never met a good woman who was single, who I was interested in and who was also interested in me, nope.

 

 

 

If you indeed have any actual desire to treat a man with any genuine respect or love, other than just faking it to get your "catch" and male body you can exploit, that puts you ahead of most western women. As for that ideal situation being better than video games and porn... I dunno. I really do like my video games, and I have a great imagination. I can "be with" any girl I want. Fantasy may not be real, but reality usually SUCKS.

I'm sorry you're having such bad luck with women. I do believe in treating a man with respect and love. There are some women who value men and would treat them well. You just have to know where to look for them.

[ChessPieceFace]

Odd how men have the word for the women who are demanding, spoiled, self entitled, and want contradictory things...aka feminized.

 

Yet what word do women have for the men who are demanding, spoiled, self entitled and want contradictory things

 

Successful players?

 

You see, many of the negative qualities that many women whine about are the same qualities you are attracted to. Thus, why girls post threads like "Why do all men cheat???" The answer to that is clear. "All men" cheat, little miss, because YOU are attracted to cheaters.

 

These negative, piggish qualities in men attract women. I truly wish the world weren't that way. It would be a vastly improved world if more women could select evolved, respectful mates who had personal ethics. Imagine a world where morals and ethics were the most attractive qualities. That's almost beyond my comprehension.

 

...and don't act like those men are few in numbers.

 

I wouldn't know for sure as I don't date men. When I go to bars, most of the guys around me I'd love to punch right in the face for their behavior, or worse. However, a lot of my male friends have personal standards of behavior which would be above the stereotype you describe. I can't give percentages on a rundown of everyone's personal ethics, but if you truly believe that piggish men represent such a large percentage, I would be willing to wager that you have also fallen into the trap of being attracted to these piggish qualities. You aren't counting all the "invisible men" who you would never give the time of day to.

 

Demanding, spoiled, self entitled, and wanting contradictory things isn't a gender thing but a people thing.

 

I could go into great detail about the overall negative effect of feminism on our society, and the criminals who in fact masterminded and funded said feminism as a way to destabilize the western family, but it's beyond the scope of the thread and I doubt you'd like it anyway.

 

Short version -- I would like to still believe in the feminist ideals of absolute equality that you probably believe in, and that the world worked properly under those ideals, but unfortunately the evidence shows that it doesn't. We need to figure out something better as a society, without going backward to the gender inequalities of 100 years ago, and without continuing to deny the truth about human nature. I DOUBT people are smart enough to manage that. Thus, continue to watch the breakdown of the family in all areas.

 

Silver lining -- you don't have to date society. You only have to find 1 good person.

 

Fair? Sorry but no one owes you sex unless you paid a hooker and she cheated you.

 

Men have sexual needs. By denying that you seem to show yourself to be a pretty bad man-hater, or ignorant of male needs, or possibly you're just trolling me out of bitterness that I, the lowly male, dared speak out of line or say anything true about your gender.

 

Any man who would (for whatever reason) not find himself with the right girl, not having sex until the age of 35 (I would even say 25, or younger) most certainly deserves and needs to have some kind of sexual imagery to compensate for what he does not get IRL. You find porn to be unacceptable? I find cheap sex or the total absence of any sexual outlet to that late age to be far more unacceptable. PRETTY SURE that even professional counselors or sexual therapists who were generally against porn would agree with that.

 

Strike that, most of the therapists would probably recommend the cheap, meaningless sex with another person as the best option. I disagree.

 

Is porn dangerous and in the long-term will it degrade your "normal" sexual life? Yep! But here in reality, as opposed to pie-eyed idealism, people have to deal with real choices. For the principled man who finds himself unlucky in love, there is no perfect choice.

 

Are you aware you can solve this issue with prostitutes or a mail order bride?

 

Are you aware that there's a romance novel section at your local bookstore? Surely that can solve all your emotional needs?

 

Are you also aware that you're a man-hater?

Edited September 26, 2011 by ChessPieceFace

[udolipixie]

Successful players?

I am curious as to why the guys name for their negative behavior is worded positively while the girls isn't.

 

After all for all the bashing about western feminized women the guys on here all portray this ideal that these women use men for money, marry the nice guy and use his resources while sexing the bad boy, and throughout their youth have plenty of nice guys orbiting around her to.

 

Both despite their negative traits seem to have it well made.

 

Maybe feminized is just as positive as player. when you ignore the character traits you associated to feminized and that is associated to player.

 

You see, many of the negative qualities that many women whine about are the same qualities you are attracted to. Thus, why girls post threads like "Why do all men cheat???" The answer to that is clear. "All men" cheat, little miss, because YOU are attracted to cheaters.

Plenty of negative qualities in women attract men. Plenty of guys have come on here about being used, ignored, and cheated on.

 

Plenty of guys seem to trail after b*tches. Plenty of guys still chase girls who treat them horribly and use them as stepping stones.

 

So do you apply this attraction rule in both ways and to yourself? Are all these guys who are finding demanding, indifferent, cruel women simply just attracted to them?

 

These negative, piggish qualities in men attract women. I truly wish the world weren't that way. It would be a vastly improved world if more women could select evolved, respectful mates who had personal ethics. Imagine a world where morals and ethics were the most attractive qualities. That's almost beyond my comprehension.

Some girls like jerks.

 

Some guys like b*tches.

 

While most people want personality and looks if they had to chose one most would forgo personality and pursue attraction.

 

It would also be a vastly improved world if most people weren't hypocritical. I find that the guys on LS who talk about wanting women to pick their mates based on personality are usually the guys talking about attractive and hot women. Apparently while they want a woman they are physically attracted to the woman they desire must find her attraction in his personality

 

 

 

I wouldn't know for sure as I don't date men. When I go to bars, most of the guys around me I'd love to punch right in the face for their behavior, or worse. However, a lot of my male friends have personal standards of behavior which would be above the stereotype you describe. I can't give percentages on a rundown of everyone's personal ethics, but if you truly believe that piggish men represent such a large percentage, I would be willing to wager that you have also fallen into the trap of being attracted to these piggish qualities. You aren't counting all the "invisible men" who you would never give the time of day to.

As for me only noticing piggish men because I'm attracted to pigs do you ever turn that around and think perhaps you're noticing these horrible types because you're attracted to them?

 

Odd I'm a girl and I'm able to pick out horrible or mean girls without having to date girls. It has nothing to do with attraction but more of knowing there are good, grey, and bad people in both genders.

 

Perhaps because I look at horrible people as just horrible human beings not as there's a horrible woman goes to show you how few good women there are...there's a horrible man goes to show you how few good men are..

 

As for invisible men pretty sure there are invisible women as well to most guys. Perhaps you're only seeing all these demanding feminized western women because you're ignoring the invisible women?

 

 

Short version -- I would like to still believe in the feminist ideals of absolute equality that you probably believe in, and that the world worked properly under those ideals, but unfortunately the evidence shows that it doesn't.

 

Feminist ideals were about absolute equality:eek:...not the feminism I knew. Feminism to me gets it name from femininity so feminism was about equality for women in areas that women lacked equality and feminine issues.

 

Humanism is about absolute equality and that I believe in.

 

 

Men have sexual needs. By denying that you seem to show yourself to be a pretty bad man-hater, or ignorant of male needs, or possibly you're just trolling me out of bitterness that I, the lowly male, dared speak out of line or say anything true about your gender.

How was I denying men have sexual needs?

 

I was telling you that no one owes you sex. In fact I even stated several ways for men to get their sexual needs met.

 

Stating this is not denying men have sexual needs:

Fair? Sorry but no one owes you sex unless you paid a hooker and she cheated you.

 

Are you aware you can solve this issue with prostitutes or a mail order bride?

 

 

 

Any man who would (for whatever reason) not find himself with the right girl, not having sex until the age of 35 (I would even say 25, or younger) most certainly deserves and needs to have some kind of sexual imagery to compensate for what he does not get IRL. You find porn to be unacceptable? I find cheap sex or the total absence of any sexual outlet to that late age to be far more unacceptable. PRETTY SURE that even professional counselors or sexual therapists who were generally against porn would agree with that.

 

...not sure where I mentioned p*rn is unacceptable...I wouldn't date a guy who watches it but that doesn't mean I find it unacceptable. Just like I wouldn't do some sexual things that doesn't mean I find it unacceptable if others engage in them. I get if you meant I find it unacceptable for me in a partner.

 

So your issue is that I offered alternatives you dislike. You feel entitled to have a sexual partner and think it's not fair. Feel however you want however no one owes you sex and no one owes it to you to be your sexual partner.

 

Are you aware that there's a romance novel section at your local bookstore? Surely that can solve all your emotional needs?

 

The difference there is that in my offers one can actually fulfill a sexual need for some and another may fulfill a sexual and emotional need and both have you engaging with another person to fulfill those needs.

 

A prostitute does fulfill the sexual needs

 

A mail order bride does fulfill the sexual needs and may fulfill the relationship needs one.

 

A better snark would have been are you aware there's free therapy. Surely a therapist can solve all your emotional needs?

 

 

Are you also aware that you're a man-hater?

 

Show me where I have made any comments displaying man hate...my turnarounds are not man hating but poking fun at the ridiculousness of women hating comments by reversing it.

Edited September 26, 2011 by udolipixie
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[Woggle]

Nancy Mitford called them "bolters"...and I think that's what they were called in my mother's day too. Bolters. I think that sounds far more glamorous and exciting than "walkaway wife". Walkaway wife sounds a bit plodding and dull, whereas bolter makes you think of a glamorous filly hoofing it away at the speed of light. Racing off to find itself. Hopefully cheered on by other untameable fillies as it goes.

 

Better?

 

Whether bolters or whatever you call them why do they care if the men they don't want enjoy porn on their own?

[Woggle]

Spoken by a man who's never met a good woman. Video games and porn can't compete with the love and attention of a real woman who knows how to treat her man.

 

Yes it can't compete with that but when something is in such rare supply the next best thing will do. Where exactly are these women who treat men like this? They believe it is being a stepford wife. Just look at the responses you got in that other thread where simply said that men want a woman who makes them feel wanted and valued. They acted like you wanted to take the vote away from women.

[udolipixie]

Yes it can't compete with that but when something is in such rare supply the next best thing will do. Where exactly are these women who treat men like this? They believe it is being a stepford wife. Just look at the responses you got in that other thread where simply said that men want a woman who makes them feel wanted and valued. They acted like you wanted to take the vote away from women.

 

In what way did these men wanted to feel wanted and valued?

 

As for the responses women had that you talk about were those the majority or was it minority or wow just not even that but 1 or 2 but you chose to negatively focus all of your energy on that?

[Untouchable_Fire]

Woggle, you can't stop HATING women, you're never going to get better. You've been on here almost as long as me, and you've never made a true step forward. It seems you make minor progress and then you go back so far, it's evident you aren't someone that can be helped or saved.

 

Just live the rest of your life believing all women are whores and ball-busters.

 

Some wounds are so deep they just don't heal... and if they do it changes you.

[Elysian Powder]

Spoken by a man who's never met a good woman. Video games and porn can't compete with the love and attention of a real woman who knows how to treat her man.

 

 

Spoken like a woman who has never been a man to talk about this with such certainty, and also spoken by a woman who doesn't know what happens to the men who go around chasing rainbows. You're also not aware of the fact that porn creates an enormous chemical high that can even surpass the ''joy'' and the love that a ''real woman'' can theoretically give. Your ignorance is palpable enough, to the point of not knowing that there are forums on the net dedicated to theory-crafting and tool-creation to make male masturbation even much more pleasurable. Fact: a ****load of young men aren't even looking at real women in real life.

 

Fact: more and more men aren't getting married, ever.

 

Fact: Many, many, many of the men who haven't turned to porn **** and dump women as if they were disposable(they are), What is this ''real woman'' creature you speak of? I thought that eve was a myth?

 

Also, your persistent parrot-like coinage of ''you have never met a real woman'' is no opponent to all of the reasons I have given you in the past for men turning to porn and forgetting about women. I guess dinosaurs can't learn new stuff, huh?

 

Video games

 

hahaha, grandma... you know so little. The vast majority of men play video games. Many spend thousands of dollars on games and on computers every year. There are countless young men spending their days and their nights indoors instead of going out to meet women. Maybe they're tired of having blue balls. They can't be certain that the money or the time they are going to have to spend on a woman for her to open her legs is going to do just that. In most cases, it doesn't happen the way a young, hot-blooded man would wish, so they smarten up and use their free time on video games - and some of them are making millions out of playing a video game, which will open women's legs.

 

You're funny grandma, but the age of men giving a **** about women is at an end, and no amount of ''you just need to meet a real woman'' is going to stop the impending reality of the majority of women becoming the cum-dumpsters of guys like me.

 

 

Oh, and I don't hate women. Why would a lion hate ants?

Edited September 26, 2011 by Elysian Powder

[udolipixie]

Spoken like a woman who has never been a man to talk about this with such certainty, and also spoken by a woman who doesn't know what happens to the men who go around chasing rainbows.

How she is the way speaking any different from how you speak about women who say such all men are insert whatever.....

 

Actually it's different that she's positive about the prospect of finding a romantic partner and aware of the negatives in her gender....you seem to focus only on the positives of the male gender and brush aside the negatives

 

What would you tell a woman who spoke with such certainty that men are spoiled, demanding, entitled, and what they want is contradictory?

 

Probably: she's attracted to those types or men & she's ignoring the men who don't fit her loos preferences who may be good to her

 

Yet why can't men who complain about running into the same type of women apply this advice to themselves

 

 

You're also not aware of the fact that porn creates an enormous chemical high that can even surpass the ''joy'' and the love that a ''real woman'' can theoretically give.

Really? I've only heard of a chemical high occurring when there is a p*rnography addiction not just with the usual p*rn.

 

Are you talking about surpassing sexually...is it also a fact that this chemical high surpasses emotions such as love? Does this high also contribute to better health and less depression?

 

As for p*rn giving that chemical high are you sure it's not masturbation? Though I haven't read of any study stating that.

 

I have read that women orgasms faster and more through masturbation than through vaginal intercourse.

 

Fact: a ****load of young men aren't even looking at real women in real life.

a sh*tload of young women are "turning" gay and staying that way

 

 

Fact: more and more men aren't getting married, ever.

More and more women are choosing not to get married and not have children.

 

Fact: Many, many, many of the men who haven't turned to porn **** and dump women as if they were disposable(they are), What is this ''real woman'' creature you speak of? I thought that eve was a myth?

Many women are using men for money and bleeding them dry through divorce and alimony.

 

As for this real woman creature most probably come in the same packaging real men come in- great character/personality/qualities and not so appealing looks. So they are often overlooked by both genders.

 

Most interesting fact despite these types of men and women there are still plenty of happy or content hetero couples relationship and marriage wise.

 

 

You're funny grandma, but the age of men giving a **** about women is at an end, and no amount of ''you just need to meet a real woman'' is going to stop the impending reality of the majority of women becoming the cum-dumpsters of guys like me.

When was this age that all men gave a sh*t about women? Or did this age of men caring about women only existed when women were objectified, property, and less than?

 

Men aren't these glorious creatures...there's postiives and negatives. There have been ages where men have mistreated women yet at the same time in those ages plenty of men have treated women well...and some have even worshiped women...well women's beauty...

 

Pretty sure mens behavior towards women today is still generally the same- some love women, some hate women, and some fear women.

 

As for the cum dumpster thing. The turnaround on that one is that plenty of men are becoming atms and walking wallets.

 

Oh, and I don't hate women. Why would a lion hate ants?

Yet does a lion pay this much attention to ants that you pay to posting about women?

[xxoo]

Whether bolters or whatever you call them why do they care if the men they don't want enjoy porn on their own?

 

The percentage of women who think that all porn is bad, and no one should use it, is small.

 

Similarly, the percentage of men who spend hours a day viewing porn, and prefer porn to a partner, is small.

 

Most of us live in the middle ground. It's pleasant here, Woggle, if you'd like to pay us a visit sometime

[AHardDaysNight]

udollipixie, do you believe that people are born gay, or made gay?

 

Be careful how you answer this, because if you say that they're made, then you've just agreed with the pope and the Catholic church.

 

If you say that they're born gay, then isn't it possible that the reaction of women towards men would make a man turn to another man in order to receive affection and love?

 

Oh, and that Pyramid of needs that psychologists refer to? Sex is one of the basic needs on the bottom. Perhaps you need to study psychology. If sex could prevent disease, would you support it for virgin men?

[Taramere]

Whether bolters or whatever you call them why do they care if the men they don't want enjoy porn on their own?

 

I think bolters would be too busy bolting to care. The question is, if a man decides he wants to live in isolation from women...beyond the actresses or models he views in porn, why would it matter to him what everyday women think of that?

 

It's not as though they can bar him from having that relatively easy life where he does as he pleases and gets his satisfaction from either porn or prostitutes. To me, it would be the male equivalent to a woman who decides to live without men...and relies on animals for affection and companionship. the much mocked "mad cat lady".

 

Women fear becoming her because she's a figure of fun...but the cat lady herself probably doesn't give a stuff and might well enjoy her easy, chilled out life. A man who's always farting, shouting, getting aggressive if a sporting match on tv isn't going his way, or he's had too much to drink and generally being loud/angry and stressful to be around....well it's understandable that some women might decide that it makes more sense (and is more peaceful) to set up home with a cat.

 

Of course, some women behave like the above. Equally some men are very pleasant and easy to be around. Whenever I've had shared living arrangements, I've always preferred living with men. Times I've advertised for a room-mate it's always tended to be men who wanted to move in. If you asked them why they preferred to share a house with a female, as I always did, they would act stunned that it should even be a question. "Women are a lot nicer to live with."

 

Do I agree? Not really. I find men easier to live with. To me, if you're going to share your living accommodation it's best done with the opposite sex. Not everybody agrees, and that's fine. I think the woman who wants to live with animals rather than with a husband is perfectly within her rights to make that choice, just as the man who wants to live with porn rather than with a wife is perfectly entitled to do so.

 

Some people are introverted or simply enjoy peace and quiet to a point where it's difficult for them to live with another human being. They're mocked for it, and probably always will be. Stigma is attached to that kind of thing probably because it's a threat to others. The more men who decide to live with porn instead of a woman, and the more women who want to live with animals instead of a man, the fewer options those who actively want to share their life with a live-in human partner are going to have.

 

However, that's just the way it goes. You can't dictate to people that they stop having/expressing opinions about those who choose to live without a partner....but equally, God forbid anybody should be deprived of the right to make their own choices regarding their living arrangements.

[udolipixie]

udollipixie, do you believe that people are born gay, or made gay?

Both.

 

Be careful how you answer this, because if you say that they're made, then you've just agreed with the pope and the Catholic church.

Do you have something against Catholics?

 

If you say that they're born gay, then isn't it possible that the reaction of women towards men would make a man turn to another man in order to receive affection and love?

Entirely possible considering the fact that it has happened before.

 

Oh, and that Pyramid of needs that psychologists refer to? Sex is one of the basic needs on the bottom. Perhaps you need to study psychology. If sex could prevent disease, would you support it for virgin men?

 

What do you mean by support?

 

I support all sex that doesn't involve children with adults, adolescents with adults depending on the laws age of consent, the specific mentally disabled doing something they can't comprehend, rape...not rape fantasy actual rape, violence without consent, deception, and manipulation.

 

If by support you mean allow people to use deception, manipulation, mind games, force without the other parties consent, or violence without the other parties consent to get that sex...then no

 

If sex could prevent disease virgin men could have sex with each other. If these virgin men needed support to get sex then they either have to get sex with someone who wants them no matter how hard it is or have sex with each other to prevent disease. I don't believe anyone is owed sex unless they paid a prostitute and she cheated him.

Edited September 26, 2011 by udolipixie

[AHardDaysNight]

Then we're on the same page.

 

No, I have nothing against Catholics, other than a lot of them are homophobic, and that makes me angry.

 

I think a man who isn't predetermined to have sex with men can't turn gay. For example, I am only attracted to women, therefore I can never be with a guy. For me, it's porn or nothing...and the argument that I should settle for nothing, and be horny and sexually frustrated all the time, makes me angry and frustrated.

 

You can't "turn gay" unless you are bi. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

I just am bringing in the argument from the other thread, where you said that a man should reveal he's a virgin. Well, if he should reveal he's a virgin, then a girl should sleep with him if he's a virgin. Many don't reveal that information, because a girl won't sleep with a virgin, and so he has to turn back to his porn.

[udolipixie]

I think a man who isn't predetermined to have sex with men can't turn gay. For example, I am only attracted to women, therefore I can never be with a guy.

Not really...who stated attraction had to come into play when having sex or relationships?

 

You can be attracted to women and have sex with a man and still be heterosexual. Plenty of guys/girls have sex with someone they're not attracted to and forgo sham relationships.

 

 

 

You can't "turn gay" unless you are bi. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

No bubble burst here. I think in dramatic circumstances some people may do things even feel things that they never would have under other circumstances.

 

I just am bringing in the argument from the other thread, where you said that a man should reveal he's a virgin. Well, if he should reveal he's a virgin, then a girl should sleep with him if he's a virgin. Many don't reveal that information, because a girl won't sleep with a virgin, and so he has to turn back to his porn.

Your anger and sensitivity to the subject must have lead to some serious reading comprehension because I never stated that.

 

Please show me where I stated that a man should reveal he's a virgin.

 

Telling guys that they shouldn't lie or purposefully omit something that they know will affect her decision because it may make her choose something that doesn't have them getting what they want is not saying men should reveal that they are a virgin.

 

I'm just not with lying or choosing to omit because it may ruin your chances because:

1. just because it benefits your needs doesn't mean it's okay to purposefully omit something that you know may affect a person's decision in a way that doesn't suit your needs

 

2. it's not okay to to say it's of no consequence or that it doesn't really matter...if that were the case you wouldn't be omitting would you ...I'm not for someone deciding for another person what's importance...when they knows if it was of such little importance they wouldn't be omitting it...definitely not okay with them deciding even if that person considers it important they get to decide it's only important for a trivial reason.

 

 

Especially when that decision is made on the fact that telling that person may result in a decision that doesn't get them what they want.

 

I'm just not with a behavior that has a person purposefully omitting someone so there's no chance that the factor won't cause the other person to make a decision they don't want. Then claiming that factor is of no importance and even if it is importance tot he person it's for a trivial reason.

My logic is to not lie or adopt the mindset going into dating not telling/omitting girls this info because it might turn them off, ruin your chances, or scare them off.

 

I see another choice:

With this mindset of I only need to be STD free..kid free for some...it's healthier, less deceptive, and there's no purposeful omission because you want her decision to go your way.

 

So go about being STD free...kid free for some..have sex. If the topic comes up don't lie. If it doesn't come up there's no need to tell her later on because it's just about being STD free..kid free for some.

^ edited I had to inset "not" after my logic is to

 

 

The difference here is that the person is lying or purposefully omitting because they know it may affect the persons decision of them in a way they do not want.

 

In this case the person omitting or lying is making the decision of what's relevant and what isn't. They are the ones who have the mindset of lie or omit because it might ruin my chances so therefore it isn't relevant.

 

 

Seriously wrong meh I'm more on the deceptive self centered/serving behavior and self justification it rather than common human nature of shallowness.

 

I'd be the same if a woman was lying or omitting something that she knows may affect a guy's decision in dating her:

her fertility

 

her age....I think most women are aware of ageism yet plenty lie or omit...aka don't talk let him think what he wants because it may ruin her chances.. then act shocked that when it's revealed and he dumps her

 

her sexual history/experience

 

It's better to just bail out if you end up dating a girl like that rather than you banking on her emotionally bonding to you later and her feelings overruling when you lie or purposefully omitting because you know that it may lead to a decision you wouldn't like and deciding for her it's of no importance.

 

Just hold the view that you're just suppose to be STD-free and kid free for some rather than lie/purposefully omit because it may ruin my chances. If she ask be honest. If she doesn't ask there is no need to tell her later on other than perhaps a joke...a guy I knew did that when he wanted to shock the sh*t out of his gf...after all you only need to be STD-free and kid-free.

[Mme. Chaucer]

I agree with the OP. Men who prefer to be "left alone with their porn" than to interact with women should not be hindered.

 

I do hope that if the guy is married that he'll kindly give his wife an easy divorce before sequestering himself with his collection, so that she might find a fulfilling relationship with a man who is interested in loving (and having sex with) a live multidimensional woman.

 

Otherwise, the wife of such a man might bolt, or "walkaway," and thereby become fodder for yet another of Woggle's plethora of threads about the heinous nature of women.