oaks Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 How can this particular person known as U1987 use online dating to achieve casual sex with women whom he ranks as 8's, 9's and 10's? Hmm. He could say that he's looking for "fun" and "nothing serious" and he might as well tick the "casual sex" box on OKCupid. I see plenty of women (well, a few) who do similar. Without revealing his intentions? Oh. Well, then he should say he drives a Ferrari, is a doctor and is having difficulty spending his huge piles of money and is hoping to find a sweet girl who will help him with that.
Mme. Chaucer Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 [quote=oaks;3633088 Oh. Well, then he should say he drives a Ferrari, is a doctor and is having difficulty spending his huge piles of money and is hoping to find a sweet girl who will help him with that. :rolleyes: All of my grumpiness and sarcasm aside - I honestly believe that this is exactly the type of "advice" sought here.
oaks Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 All of my grumpiness and sarcasm aside - I honestly believe that this is exactly the type of "advice" sought here. Ok. Serious advice coming up. Write a profile that says: I'm having a bet with my friend that I can get more dates than him by Christmas. I'm not allowed to meet anyone in bars or at parties, and he's not allowed to use the Internet. So, come on ladies, can you help me win this bet? (and then tick the options for "short-term" "no commitment" "nothing serious" "casual sex" etc depending on what the site offers.) I've seen a couple of girls with similar profiles, but I didn't enquire as to who was winning. The OP would probably rate them highly out of ten, which probably helped them towards their goal (whatever it was).
Feelsgoodman Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 (edited) BUT - and this is pretty universally true if you read these boards - many 20-something girls who post on this site and elsewhere complain that the guys seem immature. Doesn't that say something? Perhaps if the guys were a little more serious and less adolescent, they might get further with the girls they want. Yeah, and the same 20-something girls tend to pine for "exciting" guys that lead a party lifestyle, ride fast motorcycles, cover their bodies in tattoos and do other things that can hardly be classified as "mature behaviour"...at least not by conventional standards. In another post, you stated that you engaged in orgies and had sex with hundreds of men when you were in your 20s. That's not exactly mature behaviour either, now is it? The more intelligent men quickly learn that there is an inherent dissonance between the kind of qualities women say they like in a man and the kind of qualities they actually respond favourably to. Edited September 19, 2011 by Feelsgoodman
betterdeal Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Fink you need to reconsider your idea of mature there, man.
oaks Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 The more intelligent men quickly learn that there is an inherent dissonance between the kind of qualities women say they like in a man and the kind of qualities they actually respond favourably to. They say they want "genuine", but I have no idea what it means.
Easyguy14 Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 So I've been using OKC extensively for the past month or so, sending mass messages out to girls I found attractive and such. The return rate is much much higher on OKC than POF (about 20% response rate on OKC instead of the 8% - 10% on POF) but that means twice as many flakes too. I've actually gone on dates with 4 girls I chatted up, but the girls weren't as attractive in real life as they were online. I've learned that if a girl is an 8 in her profile, she's about a 6 to a 7 in person, so if I want 8's and 9's, I have to go for girls who look like 10's and 11's. The problem is, how can a guy possibly compete with all the other guys messaging her? How can I even guarantee I won't be pushed down to the bottom by the flood of messages from other guys? How do you get the really beautiful girls on online dating? off topic, but what does OKC mean? Im actually considering online dating, but have heard stories about pof that doesn't sound good to me. Is OKC a free dating site? Im willing to give it a go
betterdeal Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 OKCupid - yep, it's a free dating site.
KathyM Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 So I've been using OKC extensively for the past month or so, sending mass messages out to girls I found attractive and such. The return rate is much much higher on OKC than POF (about 20% response rate on OKC instead of the 8% - 10% on POF) but that means twice as many flakes too. I've actually gone on dates with 4 girls I chatted up, but the girls weren't as attractive in real life as they were online. I've learned that if a girl is an 8 in her profile, she's about a 6 to a 7 in person, so if I want 8's and 9's, I have to go for girls who look like 10's and 11's. The problem is, how can a guy possibly compete with all the other guys messaging her? How can I even guarantee I won't be pushed down to the bottom by the flood of messages from other guys? How do you get the really beautiful girls on online dating? Well, I know three beautiful women who are or have used online dating services. The one who has it all (beauty, nice personality, good character, intelligent, etc.) won't respond to Emails unless you are also good looking, with good character based on your profile, and you appear to be genuine and not looking for a hit and run, you have similar values and interests than her, or are at least interested and willing to explore the interests that she has. She has pretty high requirements, and doesn't respond to most people's Emails. If you don't fit the profile of what she is looking for, she won't contact you. The other two beautiful women had personality issues, so even though they preferred only the good looking guys, they got dumped because of those issues, so they also took Emails from the average joes and dated them as well. The average joes were so thrilled that they bagged a beautiful woman, that they were able to look past the personality issues. The average joes were considered because their personality was attractive. If you don't have looks or personality, you're kind of out of luck. If you have one or the other, you might have some success with a beautiful woman who has only that going for her, but if you want the total package, you have to be the total package yourself. Otherwise, you are wasting your time trying to contact them.
oaks Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 The other two beautiful women had personality issues, so even though they preferred only the good looking guys, they got dumped because of those issues, so they also took Emails from the average joes and dated them as well. but if you want the total package, you have to be the total package yourself. Otherwise, you are wasting your time trying to contact them. Yes, but you can't tell if she has the total package from her profile (she's unlikely to come clean about the personality issues) so if you've got most of the total package you can't tell if you're going to be wasting your time... so perhaps you might as well contact her. Not sure if that helps the OP - I don't know which parts of any package he has.
ThsAmericanLife Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Hello, again. Just as I tell you every time you start one of these threads: "Getting" exceptionally beautiful women to casually screw you simply is NOT the same as going to an online merchant and making a purchase. Unless you want to accomplish your goal via an escort service, which I think I've advised before. There is NO formula that is going to work, unless you just have an extremely massive stroke of good luck one day. ALL women who have any sense of self-worth are going to be taking a good, hard look AT YOU. It's not about trying to experiment with different bait, it's about BEING the bait. I know what you are "offering" women. You are "offering" them a chance to be boinked by you. You claim to be reasonably good looking. That's all. You don't want a relationship, you don't want to spend time with women, you don't want to experience conversation and communication with any of them, and you don't want to spend money on them. You most definitely don't come off as any fun at all, or of having a sense of humor ... or a personality ... And from all your threads, I would be flabbergasted if your ability to sexually blow the minds of the ladies is very well honed, so they're not going to be lining up for that. So, you are just offering these "8 - 10's" the opportunity to be used as a receptacle for your frustrated sexual energy. That's not really the way it works, my friend. Get it through your head that spectacular looking women can pick from amongst many, many guys - plenty of whom are really funny, cool, engaging, rich, amazing lovers, brilliant conversationalists, wildly successful at whatever they do, hotter than they are, blah blah blah. Try to develop your personality to a very high level, if you want and expect to be able to lure the most beautiful women into casual sex. Or, earn a huge pile of money. Or, make sure that you are a mind boggling lover who can absolutely make it worthwhile for a woman who is "an 8 - 10" () to have sex with you just for the earth shattering thrills YOU will provide for HER. Once you are positive you can OFFER (note that I keep returning to the concept of what you OFFER as opposed to what you are trying to GET from women) this, detail your techniques in the "casual encounters" section, or whatever; specify that you are ONLY offering to perform your lovemaking extravaganza with women who are "8's to 10's," look like an irresistible god in your photos, and sit back and wait. I swear... I'm going to print this off and frame this... Do you mind if I quote you the next time I (maybe) try OLD?? You're the BEST...
Negative Nancy Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Yeah, and the same 20-something girls tend to pine for "exciting" guys that lead a party lifestyle, ride fast motorcycles, cover their bodies in tattoos and do other things I love these kind of men... (couldn't you tell by my avi ), except I could care less about motorcycles, my bf's driving a hot bimmer instead
KathyM Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Yes, but you can't tell if she has the total package from her profile (she's unlikely to come clean about the personality issues) so if you've got most of the total package you can't tell if you're going to be wasting your time... so perhaps you might as well contact her. Not sure if that helps the OP - I don't know which parts of any package he has. Well, let's put it this way. If he wants the total package, he has to be the total package himself and demonstrate that he is through his pictures, profile and Emails. If he's not the total package and all he cares about is how a woman looks, then he has to demonstrate that he has something great going for him, and the women who have only looks going for them might respond.
FitChick Posted September 19, 2011 Posted September 19, 2011 Sometimes someone may like what they see and read but think, "Too bad he lives so far away."
Author U1987 Posted September 20, 2011 Author Posted September 20, 2011 As regards 5/10, 8/10, 10/10, a person who uses numbers like that in summing up people's attractiveness is probably lacking big-time in the intelligence/sensitivity/maturity department anyway Not at all; if anything it's more intelligent, sensitive and mature than the rating system women have for men. Men judge women on a numerical sliding scale. Women judge men on a pass/fail basis. Have you ever heard refer to guys as 8's, 9's or 10's? I doubt it; most women judge men as "Hot" or "Not."
Author U1987 Posted September 20, 2011 Author Posted September 20, 2011 Why not move to San Fernando and start a career in porn? If you get in with the right stable, you can having meaningless mechanical sex with pretty women day in day out. No man simply goes into doing porn with lots of beautiful women. Most men in porn have to go through a crucible of gay porn (usually at the receiving end first) before they're even allowed near a female actor. No thank you.
Author U1987 Posted September 20, 2011 Author Posted September 20, 2011 if all you wanna do is hook-up and easy sex, maybe sites like AFF are better suited for your needs. I've explained this before. AFF is the biggest scam-fest in the online dating world; the ratio of men to women is about 5 to 1, the ratio of unattractive women to attractive women is 5 to 1 and, as you said, about half of the attractive women's profiles are fake. It's $30 a month you'll never get back. but i bet at least half of the profiles there are fake, so why not follow mmes advice and use an escort service? I've also explained this before. I live in a state where prostitution is not only illegal; it's a sex crime. Men who get caught with prostitutes go on the sex offender's registry, and the registry doesn't differentiate between offenders. If you're caught with a prostitute, you're put on the same public blacklist as child molesters and rapists for the rest of your life. And even if it wasn't illegal, do you have any idea how much a good looking escort costs? Hundreds an hour. I'm in college.
Author U1987 Posted September 20, 2011 Author Posted September 20, 2011 Mme. Chaucer's posts are spot on. UI1987, are you "really attractive," as in a 9 or a 10, like those you're seeking? Are you successful, wealthy, popular, and/or charismatic? If not, what DO you have to offer a woman who probably gets propositioned by every man on the dating site? What am I supposed to "offer" a girl instead of our time together? Anyway, yes, I'm still in school, so I'm not successful or financially well off yet, but I'm debt free, I'm not obese (I have a 29 inch waist) and, as you can all see, am able to type legibly and articulately. If that alone doesn't put me in the top 25%, what else does? In a market flooded with jobless liberal arts students, I'm actually studying the hard-sciences (I'm a biomedical student). Isn't that enough? I'm not being sarcastic; What else could you possibly want?
Author U1987 Posted September 20, 2011 Author Posted September 20, 2011 I love these kind of men... (couldn't you tell by my avi ), except I could care less about motorcycles, my bf's driving a hot bimmer instead Well, I don't have money for tattoos; I haven't even gotten one. I don't have piercings. So please tell me, what is a clean cut biomedical student supposed to do?
AHardDaysNight Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 What's a biomedical student supposed to do? Find a nerdy chick, who likes the same things you do. There ya go. If Sheldon Cooper can find someone like him, you can, too. Yeah sure, they won't be the beauty queens, but you should stop looking at them. They don't want someone like you.
bac Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 This has been my 1'st Contact Message format; it's part personalized, part copy-paste. What do you think? If you do not have the main qualities she is looking for, nothing will help. For example, the qualities for me are looks, education, marital status, salary, interests, personality. All the qualities should be equal to my qualities. In other words, if you are looking for 8, you should be 8 yourself. If you have the right qualities, you have a chance. So, try to be sincere and personal. You message #1 says that you are sending the same message to 100s girls every week. You should show real interest in the only one girl. If she sees that you are personal, she will see you as a person. You might email her to her email address, be persistant, have some substance in communication, be interested in her, ask questions, match her and her personality.
AHardDaysNight Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Yes, Peter North did do gay porn but there is a way for a guy to get into porn without doing gay. I read Jenna Jameson's book. You need a really hot girl (like contract girl material) willing to ONLY shoot porn with you and only you. The companies will want her if she is hot enough and have you in the vids and that's how you get your foot in the door. If you are cool and good looking then eventually the other girls will do you on film too. I read that's how pornstar Devon's boyfriend (Vivid Girl from the 90's) got in the business. However, you have to be able to get a girl who is a 10 to to have sex with you and only you on film at first. After you get your foot in the door you can do whatevers. Good luck with that! I could never do porn. Especially gay porn, but straight porn as well. Getting naked on camera is humiliating enough, and sex as a virgin is even worse. I used to imagine losing my virginity by going into the porn business. Then I did research. They don't want virgins, and I would be a joke (unless I had a 9 inch penis like that one pornstar.)
Pasttense Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 OP, you're in college. Why don't you spend your time chatting up/seducing beautiful girls on campus and the off-campus student hangouts?
FrustratedStandards Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Beautiful girls don't need online dating.
Calutaxi484 Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 In other words, if you are looking for 8, you should be 8 yourself. That's somewhat true. I watched something a while back that went to show women will substitute other things for looks. Like they showed this guy's picture to 100 women and most of them rated him 5/10. They then showed the same guys picture, but with a caption that he made like 300k year, and most rated him 8/10. It also went on to say that women are much more likely to do that then men. In most cases with men's reaction towards women, their appeal didn't increase based on other factors.
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