Besmy Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 Hello dear friends, By reading different posts on this forum and articles on the Internet I have noticed that many people believe in Karma. I understand that Karma can be interpreted in 2 ways: 1. It was all meant to be (notion of predestination) 2. Those who hurt others will be hurt themselves (notion of punishment of bad deeds). Today I would like to explore with you the second notion of Karma (punishment of bad deeds). Do you really believe that bad deeds will be matched / punished by equally bad experiences? For us, the "hurt, hear-broken, not-very-happy-right-now" this would refer to those people who have hurt us in different circumstances and for different reasons. Personally I am not aware whether people who hurt me in my life, be that within a relationship or not, have ever faced challenges afterwards which made them go through the same pain. This is mainly due to the fact that I cut "bad people" out of my life and do not stay in touch with them. They simply stop existing for me. It also seems to me that some bad people get away with their despicable actions, happily continue to live a pleasant life and nothing negative ever happens to them, as if they were "immune". Are you aware of instances where bad deeds seem to have come back to haunt the perpetrator? It would be interesting if you could share with all of us your experiences and opinions.
Mack05 Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 I do believe Besmy. I think if you treat someone atrociously, it comes back to bite you hard one day. It's why I try learn from my mistakes and try to a better person everyday.
TheDovic Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 Only if it works both ways Besmy i.e. you aren't just punished for doing bad... if something bad happens to you first then you are due something good in the future. The reason I say this is because I pride myself on being a good and helpful person. I am very rarely mean or nasty and have always helped others less fortunate (and now I'm a social worker). So when my ex broke up with me I have went through a ridiculously difficult time which has spiralled into a deep depression for which I'm receiving meds and CBT. I don't honestly believe I deserve this pain, but then Karma might have something brilliant waiting for me in the future to bring the balance back to my life
LelouchIsZero Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 No, I don't. Good things happen to bad people & bad things happen to good people all the time. It sucks, but that's just the way life is.
smudge21 Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 Prior to my recent ex and becoming a dumpee, I was the dumper and didn't really handle it very well. I since made amends and we became distant friends, but what I'm going through now seems to be like a slap in the face for how I acted previously... You can call that karma, or just a simple coincidence that I went from dumper to dumpee. I do like to believe that bad things happen to bad people but sadly I don't think that's the case. I think it's more a case of bad things happen to us all, just in the same way as good things happen. We have both in our lives as they go hand in hand. Without bad you wouldn't appreciate the good.
ConfusedT Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 karma surrounds us everyday. life is NOT a coincidence of events. its what you give to life, it will be returned to you. bad things happen to good people, yes, but so do very good things, when you least expect it and sometimes unseen. the people who did you truly wrong will get their karma. Please don't misunderstand this as people who break-up with you and find someone else will be unhappy- not necessarily true, if they were good to you and just fell out of love, they did nothing wrong, it just happened, feelings change, people change, life will change! you might feel they wronged you, but in honesty, if they just left you, but were a good person for the duration, their karma is good! I am talking about the people that lied, cheated, disrespected, abused (mentally or physically), played games, dogged you, hurt you PURPOSEFULLY in any way, those are the people who will get karma for their actions. the people who intentionally hurt another person for whatever reason, they will get theirs in their due time. you get what you give, so watch out when you are being spiteful. nothing good WILL EVER come from something bad, i promise you that!!
monkeyshaman Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 Good and bad are just opinions created by man, what is good for some people is seen as bad by others. Karma literally means action and is not necessarily getting punished or praised for good or bad choices, which is a chatholic view on karma. It merely states that everything that happens is of your own actions not with the combination of blame or fault. Also the people who thought up karma believed in reincarnation so that while you may be the best person in the world karma from past lives can work its way through you. That being said I don't think creation of dissolving of karma has to do with what happens to you but rather your reaction to them. If your ex created pain for you then what was your reaction? If you in turn created pain for him or her all you are doing is creating more pain in this world but if something "bad" happens to you then you have the opportunity to still practice love and understanding in a difficult situation thus creating more compassion in the world even for those who are sick enough to willingly cause pain to another person. So sure someone may have cheated on you but that is because of their own conditioning and upbringing as well as negative influences that may or may not be in their control. It is a painful experience for sure but it gives you the chance to love yourself more by treating yourself even better and not harboring pain and resentment within you. Easier said then done but I think that is the point of karma, watching your reactions and stopping hatred with you not waiting to see it attack someone else because that is another form of creating pain.
Avelia Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 I believe in karma strongly Years ago I jumped into a rebound relationship with someone i was not attracted to, broke up with the person eventually and it was an ugly break up. it did more damage to myself than I thought it would be. the break up was very painful, and it damaged my self-esteem that for quite some time I believed I deserve a below average man. And the BU has made me a bit emotional unavailable too - for quite a while
LelouchIsZero Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 (edited) karma surrounds us everyday. life is NOT a coincidence of events. its what you give to life, it will be returned to you. bad things happen to good people, yes, but so do very good things, when you least expect it and sometimes unseen. the people who did you truly wrong will get their karma. Please don't misunderstand this as people who break-up with you and find someone else will be unhappy- not necessarily true, if they were good to you and just fell out of love, they did nothing wrong, it just happened, feelings change, people change, life will change! you might feel they wronged you, but in honesty, if they just left you, but were a good person for the duration, their karma is good! I am talking about the people that lied, cheated, disrespected, abused (mentally or physically), played games, dogged you, hurt you PURPOSEFULLY in any way, those are the people who will get karma for their actions. the people who intentionally hurt another person for whatever reason, they will get theirs in their due time. you get what you give, so watch out when you are being spiteful. nothing good WILL EVER come from something bad, i promise you that!! Yes, but that's just life. It isn't "karma". Those who associate themselves with good things tend to have them returned (in comparison to those who don't), though that has nothing to do with karma, as I've said three times now -- its just life. Does karma exist for people who have nothing but misfortune in their life, even though they're generally good people? What about people born in 3rd world countries, do they too have "good & bad karma" Life really is just a combination of choice & chance. Edited September 16, 2011 by LelouchIsZero
calreese Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 I think in a way we create our own karma. It all has to do with what you take away from a situation. If, after a breakup, you work to correct things that you know you have problems with and strive to be a better person, the chances of something wonderful happening to you increase. On the other hand, however, if you break up with someone for the wrong reasons or dwell over a breakup and try to tell yourself that the other party is 100% guilty, you'll be in a lull for quite some time and will feel as though you're being punished for your deeds. I think karma is a concept invented to justify the way we feel for behaving certain ways, and the repercussions of these behaviors.
Jdw_Icequeen Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 I full heartedly beleive in karma. I don't beleive in reincarnation though and agree with Confused that nothing is a coincidence and everything happens for a reason. Bad things happen to good people yes. But there is no such thing as a "perfect" person. As in everyone makes mistakes and does things wrong. Which I beleive does come back on them. I also beleive the karma that comes back on you is worse then what you dealt out to someone else. The karma that comes back on you is really in my opinion a learning experience. Every situation is a lesson in life you take somthing a way from it wether it be good or bad and you can take it to use in new situations that occur. I have done my fair share of bad things even though I consider myself a good person. I don't lie, I help others I am a faithful and loyal person to my friends and loved ones. I also agree with Confused about the dumper thing. Just because they dumped you dosen't mean they will be dumped or be unhappy in a new relationship. Karma can come back to you in so many diffrent forms. I pride myself on being the best person I can be no matter how good you are there is always room for improvement. Karma is one way for people to look at things diffrently when doing good for others. Thinking how would you want to be treated in a situation and ultimatley how you want your karma to be can help keep you on the right path. Wether you beleive in karma or not treating someone how you want to be treated and helping others whenever you can just makes you a good person, being giving and loveing for me just makes me feel good inside and is 100 times better then when someone does for me or gives me somthing.
PelicanPete Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 I think karma is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you believe it to be true, then karma applies to you as an individual. The philosophy however uses justice as a foundation, which is generally an emphasized point in most societies. We've been programmed from birth that if you do something "bad" we're suppose to feel guilty, and if we do something "good" were suppose to feel proud. Those reactions from our deeds a lot of the times hold higher consequences then the act alone. Lets assume thought determines action is a valid statement. Although it's impossible to completely prove, it has a strong argument for it. Barbie cheats on Ken for the red power ranger. Barbie is a firm believer in karma, and registers cheating a negative act from our views of it as a society. Because Barbie has the thought of karma coming back to her, her actions and decisions are influenced by this, and will eventually lead her to the justice she believes she deserves. Now lets say the red power ranger doesn't believe in karma, but believes in right and wrong like most human beings. Although he knows that being a part of Barbie cheating on Ken was wrong, he doesn't have any negative feelings about it because he believes he is treating Barbie a lot better than Ken did. Overall he is happy and believes it was the "right" thing to do, which increases his confidence and positive emotions about himself, which will influence his choices and decisions, and increase the chances of "good" happening to him. Ken believes in karma, but is basically expecting and wanting something bad to happen to Barbie as revenge for what she did to him. Although he doesn't want to admit it to himself, wanting revenge in itself is bad karma, which will influence his thoughts and decisions, which increases the chance of more negativity to come to him. Human belief is a raw and untamed force. I see karma and other superstitions as a structure to house that energy into possibility. I could make something up on the spot by saying wearing a shark tooth necklace will cause you to perform better on a test that you are nervous about. If you actually 100% believe me, your anxiety about the test will actually decrease, causing you to do better then what you thought. Psychoanalysis is also based a lot on belief from the patient. Say you have severe unexplainable anxiety and you go to a psychologist. After talking to you for awhile, the psychologist comes to the conclusion that your anxiety is being stemmed from a childhood experience you haven't thought about for years. The psychologist could be right or wrong about that causing your anxiety, but in the end it doesn't really matter. All that matters is if you believe it to be true or not. What it does is gives you a way of confronting and defeating the anxiety you originally had no idea how to deal with, and by working through that childhood memory you are under the belief you are being cured. Because you believe it is defeating your anxiety, it actually is. Food for thought anyway
M2155 Posted September 16, 2011 Posted September 16, 2011 Yes I believe in Karma, and yes you bring it upon yourself. If you break someone's heart, that just may be a consequence of two people that were not meant to be, I do not think in return you will get your heart broken. Of course good/bad things happen to bad/good people, but I believe that if you do something intentionally hurtful/negative (or positive) to another person, that in some form or another it will come back on you. Me for example, my ex left me hanging without a goodbye or explanation. I think that is so wrong but if I'm honest with myself, I hurt someone else in my life by doing the same thing although it wasn't a romantic capacity or as significant a relationship, but I wronged someone under selfish intentions. You never know when or what form it comes back around. So yes I do belive in Karma in theory.
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