Author Ginger Beer Posted September 13, 2011 Author Posted September 13, 2011 I'll go by what my ex BF (now friend) said a long time ago when we started dating. His words: I don't hit girls and will never hit one... unless... unless she's really choking me and my life is threatned or really beats the hell out of me and I got no way out. That's how it should be and I agree with it. It should be as only self-defense when your life is at stake not as retaliation just because ''Well she hit first'' mentality. OK well, let's say for example, a woman throws a drink on you in a night club for no reason (or at a bar, party, wherever)... that's an attack. Should the man be allowed to retaliate? Most people, if not all, will say no. The man should stand there humiliated and do nothing. Let's say it was a man who threw the drink, should the man be able to retaliate? Some people will now say yes he should be allowed. In my opinion there is no difference. The likelihood of a man throwing a drink is a lot less than a woman because the man knows if he does there's a chance he could get a punch for it. There are a number of women (it's a small minority before anyone points this out) that do take advantage of the 'I'm a woman so I can hit you and you can't do anything back' ideology. I think, personally, if it's not 'nipped in the bud' it can escalate into worse things. There was a story in Britain a few years back about a girl gang who would beat up members of the public, they got one man simply for being gay and he died. Now, I think violence is wrong, but if someone would've hit them the first, second or third time they attacked someone, a life may have been saved (hopefully people see the point I'm trying to make). Also, the argument that men shouldn't hit women mainly comes from the fact women are smaller and generally weaker than men therefore they can't fight back, but if she hits you first, surely that means she can fight thus making it fair to defend yourself, even if your life isn't necessarily in danger?
SmileFace Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Often when I see an attractive woman, I say to myself, "I'd definetely hit that." So I guess my answer would have to be yes. Sometimes it is ok. :lmao::lmao:
samsungxoxo Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 If a woman throws a drink at a man at a bar, he can still get her arrested for it. Throwing a punch at her for that would be out of line. She might have been rude but she's still not a man. Now if it's a man versus (unless he's a midget or very old man) man then it's fair game in this case. Men pound each other and take punches. We're just not made for taking punches.. one is enough to break our nose so it wouldn't be a fair match at all. Only time I can possible think it might be somewhat ok for guy to take action would be if it's for example if it's my guy friend who is only 5'6' and 135 Ibs but the woman is a gorrilla of 6 ft tall and 200 Ibs.... then that's really a manbeast. But in generally men are a lot stronger and bigger so it's like I was hitting a child.
Author Ginger Beer Posted September 13, 2011 Author Posted September 13, 2011 If a woman throws a drink at a man at a bar, he can still get her arrested for it. Throwing a punch at her for that would be out of line. She might have been rude but she's still not a man. Now if it's a man versus (unless he's a midget or very old man) man then it's fair game in this case. Men pound each other and take punches. We're just not made for taking punches.. one is enough to break our nose so it wouldn't be a fair match at all. Only time I can possible think it might be somewhat ok for guy to take action would be if it's for example if it's my guy friend who is only 5'6' and 135 Ibs but the woman is a gorrilla of 6 ft tall and 200 Ibs.... then that's really a manbeast. But in generally men are a lot stronger and bigger so it's like I was hitting a child. What about the other point I made? And fair enough, that's your opinion, I don't really agree because like some other posters said, the police are more likely to believe the woman.
todd Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 hm.. I hit a girl just last night with my car.. Is that bad? I couldn't really tell cause I was too busy driving away. I think she was ok though... That psycho ran right in front of me when I was trying to take out my neighbors little dog. Anything that small is definitely plotting something evil I always said.
Arikel Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Well, if she's assaulting you or trying to commit suicide/endanger others, and you can't safely restrain her or get away .. and you used minimum force not maximum force.. Not a nice situation to be in though
jrh1524 Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Don't hit anyone... period, man or woman. Not unless it's for self defense. It's always better to talk yourself out of a situation. I hit a woman when I was younger and did a year probation and 80 hrs community service. Not worth it. The stigma and shame that go with that is 10x worse than the punishment.
ja123 Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 This is a spin-off from the 'my boyfriend cheated and I punched him' thread. Is it ever acceptable to hit a woman? If yes, why, if no, why not? I was gonna post this in the abuse thread but that forum goes 6 days at a time without a post. It's never acceptable: a man hitting a woman or a woman hitting a man. Only exception, perhaps, is in BDSM when there are rules established, a safe word, and it's sane, safe, and consensual.
ScreamingTrees Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Why do we even entertain stupidity like this, letting this thread go on for so many pages? We all already know the answer, upon clicking on the thread link.. It's wrong for ANYONE to hit ANYONE, regardless of gender. Why is this so difficult for some people to understand? It SHOULD be common sense.
Author Ginger Beer Posted September 13, 2011 Author Posted September 13, 2011 It's never acceptable: a man hitting a woman or a woman hitting a man. Only exception, perhaps, is in BDSM when there are rules established, a safe word, and it's sane, safe, and consensual. Agreed. Why do we even entertain stupidity like this, letting this thread go on for so many pages? We all already know the answer, upon clicking on the thread link.. It's wrong for ANYONE to hit ANYONE, regardless of gender. Why is this so difficult for some people to understand? It SHOULD be common sense. Apparently we don't, hence 6 pages of posts.
ScreamingTrees Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Well, some people obviously don't, but why try to change their minds? 6 pages later, we realize that some people just don't get it. Why rip your hair out of your head, Ginger? There's no point. They probably have to learn the hard way.
Author Ginger Beer Posted September 13, 2011 Author Posted September 13, 2011 Well, some people obviously don't, but why try to change their minds? 6 pages later, we realize that some people just don't get it. Why rip your hair out of your head, Ginger? There's no point. They probably have to learn the hard way. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I don't think everyone should have the same opinion as me or I, them. It's a relationship/opinion board where we post our opinions. I also like to hear why people who don't share my opinion, don't. I might learn something. I don't think there's anything wrong with this thread to be honest.
rafallus Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Also, the argument that men shouldn't hit women mainly comes from the fact women are smaller and generally weaker than men therefore they can't fight back, but if she hits you first, surely that means she can fight thus making it fair to defend yourself, even if your life isn't necessarily in danger? Actually, if a woman hits you and she means it, your life can be in danger, even if she isn't a sumo wrestler or bodybuilder. See some links in other topic about violence: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=289909&page=6
Author Ginger Beer Posted September 13, 2011 Author Posted September 13, 2011 Actually, if a woman hits you and she means it, your life can be in danger, even if she isn't a sumo wrestler or bodybuilder. See some links in other topic about violence: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=289909&page=6 Seen it, posted in it multiple times. :p
dasein Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 It's wrong for ANYONE to hit ANYONE, regardless of gender. This simply isn't true, and it's as legitimate a topic as any.
FrustratedStandards Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Ummm.. NO. Why? Because if you punch your boyfriend in the face, he will live. If HE punches YOU in the face, you will end up in a hospital. THATS why.
rafallus Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Because if you punch your boyfriend in the face, he will live. Dead wrong.
ScreamingTrees Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) This simply isn't true, and it's as legitimate a topic as any. It's a legitimate topic, I guess, but it's still wrong for any human being to instigate violence unless their life is seriously in danger, and if you still disagree with that, it's cool. Neither a male or female should be physically touching each other in a negative way, ideally. Whoever puts their finger on their partner primarily is in the wrong, regardless of what the other person did. Hell, even if they attacked you physically, you're obviously still alive, so dial 911 if he/she didn't break your fingers. And if the victim practices self defense, fine, but if they escalate the violence, they're really no better. That's just what I think, maybe I'm wrong, I'm not experienced in spousal abuse/fighting. THOUGH, if I were a woman or a man, if a person was trying to literally kill me rather than just punch me in the face, I'd fight back, obviously, but those are two completely different levels of aggression/intent, no? Though I'm sure you guys could argue over random technicalities all day, so I'll just leave this one alone. Edited September 13, 2011 by ScreamingTrees
Engadget Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 No, but sadly it happens. The problem is, for example if I got punched in the back of the head, chances are I would wheel around and strike back without knowing who did it. It would be a defensive reaction, and if it was a woman I'd feel awful. But you can't hit people and expect nothing to happen whatsoever.
dasein Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Though I'm sure you guys could argue over random technicalities all day, so I'll just leave this one alone. It's 2011. I have experienced several times in life women acting like shrieking terrors, going hog wild crazy, scaring people and ruining a good time for dozens of people with their antics because they think they are immune to accountability for actions that would get a guy's ass beaten. If a woman is behaving like an out of control man, I won't hesitate to treat her as one. This is just me being a good feminist and treating women equally LOL. I agree generally that violence is not the way to go, but it's ironic that wasn't the case 50 years ago, people often got physical with each other, and the funny thing is that since we have taken this "violence always bad" stance, homicides, brutal beatings, etc., have gone up up up. People who know that it's a real possibility they will have to defend themselves tend to learn to defend themselves better. People who blithely follow a "violence always bad" lifestyle tend to make easier victims for the people who wouldn't be posting to a thread like this, they simply do as they please right or wrong. Seriously, I don't think the world has much to fear from LS posters as far as violence goes. We tend to care too much.
FrustratedStandards Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Dead wrong. Okay that first case doesn't count. He died from hitting his head on the ground when he fell, NOT because of the punch itself. The second case seems skeptical too. One punch and a haemorrhage? He obviously had had blunt force trauma from before that. Even a woman who is in an abusive relationship doesn't die from one punch.
rafallus Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Okay that first case doesn't count. He died from hitting his head on the ground when he fell, NOT because of the punch itself. The second case seems skeptical too. One punch and a haemorrhage? He obviously had had blunt force trauma from before that. Even a woman who is in an abusive relationship doesn't die from one punch. Funny, to what lengths people can go to defend their point, when proven wrong. If I stab somebody, and he dies from bleeding out, not from stab itself, me stabbing him magically doesn't count? Or, if I push somebody off the cliff, and he cracks his skull open on a rock, me pushing him off the cliff doesn't count either?
ScreamingTrees Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 It's 2011. I have experienced several times in life women acting like shrieking terrors, going hog wild crazy, scaring people and ruining a good time for dozens of people with their antics because they think they are immune to accountability for actions that would get a guy's ass beaten. If a woman is behaving like an out of control man, I won't hesitate to treat her as one. This is just me being a good feminist and treating women equally LOL. Well, part of me agrees to an extent. I don't believe you should let anyone get away with anything, and I'm not naive enough to ignore reality, but it's always better to AVOID these sorts of situations altoghether - unless the girls are as crazy as you're describing and you somehow don't see it or it's a total stranger with some screws loose or something. lol If a girl is jumping on top of me and ready to beat me within an inch of my life, I'm not going to hesitate to defend myself by any means necessary, depending on the situation, penis or not, it doesn't matter if I'm dead.
Saul Goodman Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 Self-defense. That's the only acceptable reason to hit a person IMO.
Keridan Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 Violence is either an acceptable response to provocation or it isn't. Sex is irrelevant. QFT. The question of gender is irrelevant. If I can avoid a fight, I will. Especially if the opponent presents no challenge. If someone (including me) is in danger, my decision would not be based on sex.
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