oldguy Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 And what if that person struck you first or is threatening to harm you with a weapon? You would let a woman bruise you up?! depends... if your in immenent physcial harm... like.. she is pointing a gun at you .. then .. yes.. if all she did was slap you and bruise you up .. probably no Maybe I misunderstood hitting to imply assaulting someone rather than defending yourself. In the case of being threatened with a weapon or 'she is pointing a gun at you', (which I have had happen), hitting that person is probably NOT going to be your first, best, course of action.
coolheadal Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Guys just don't hit them is the best way to go about it. If they get too hot and bothered then dump a bucket of cold ice water over them. Or spray whipped cream at their face.
Stung Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Or spray whipped cream at their face. This is always my preferred method of self-defense.
oldguy Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 spray whipped cream at their face. This is always my preferred method of self-defense. From the Curly, Moe & Larry school of self defense.
Author Ginger Beer Posted September 12, 2011 Author Posted September 12, 2011 depends... if your in immenent physcial harm... like.. she is pointing a gun at you .. then .. yes.. if all she did was slap you and bruise you up .. probably no Please elaborate on this?
oldguy Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Again; I've seen a couple of examples here that suggest hitting a woman who is holding a weapon, either a knife or gun, as being prudent. As someone who has been in that situation, & someone who has nearly 40 years of martial arts skills, I am of the firm belief that striking someone with a weapon should be a last and desperate course of action to be considered. Consider this scenario; you hit them, they shoot you, the police show up to find the person you gave a bloody nose to & your dead body. That's a great case for self defense & even if it wasn't... your still dead. You've heard the old adage; you don't bring a knife to a gun fight? Well, I don't think bringing a fist to a knife fight is much smarter. Few things that work in the movies work the same way in real life.
carhill Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 I agree; in fact such situational awareness is a primary facet of weapons training in our jurisdiction for a CCW. A peaceful and safe solution is always the desired solution.
Woggle Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 I don't believe it is right to hit a woman but at the same time doesn't give a woman license to hit a man and be as abusive as she wants.
Author Ginger Beer Posted September 12, 2011 Author Posted September 12, 2011 Ever heard of the expression two wrongs don't make a right? I don't think it's ever acceptable to hit someone of either sex, unless absolutely necessary. If a woman were holding a knife to a man, then by all means, he has the right to strike out to defend himself. Men say it just is wrong to hit a woman because it is! If you saw a man of say six foot beating on a woman, would you seriously think that was right? A lot of men were raised to never lay a hand on a woman violently. Because men are often bigger in height and in stature, thus making them a bigger threat to a woman. Men who believe that this is a double standard are possibly the reason domestic violence is such a problem, because if you think it's a perfectly reasonable and acceptable means of communication and "discipline" then clearly you have no sense of right or wrong. It's wrong on both sides. If a woman hits a man, what should he do? Walk away. Back the f out of that situation, and let her sort her issues out. And vice versa. Or, better yet, call the police. Do not treat violence with violence. Why should a woman who gets hit deserve more sympathy than a man than gets hit though?
oldguy Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Originally Posted by harmfulsweetz "A lot of men were raised to never lay a hand on a woman violently. Because men are often bigger in height and in stature, thus making them a bigger threat to a woman. Men who believe that this is a double standard are possibly the reason domestic violence is such a problem, because if you think it's a perfectly reasonable and acceptable means of communication and "discipline" then clearly you have no sense of right or wrong". And wouldn't it be nice if we where as effectively raised to never hit anyone? That's not going to happen.
oaks Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Is it ever acceptable to hit a woman? If yes, why, if no, why not? Yes. Reasonable force for the purposes of self defence, protection of life (including other people and the person you are hitting) and prevention of crime should be acceptable regardless of gender.
Citizen Erased Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 I don't think it is acceptable to hit anyone, in general. Always exceptions of course. When I was in high school, there was this psycho girl that had a guy friend of mine literally by the balls (why, who knows. She was crazy), just grabbed him there and twisted her hand, and he hit her. . I never had a problem with him doing that, I think he did the only thing he could think of at the time and it worked. They were at that time about the same height and build so it may not have been possible for him to simply overpower her. Especially not while he was in intense pain. Other people weren't so understanding and he wasn't too popular with people for awhile. He may not have been in danger, but why should some crazy chick inflict physical pain on him and he be the bad guy for defending himself?
rafallus Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Yes, it is acceptable to hit a woman. In self-defense. You can argue, if running away, calling the cops is better solution in specific situation, but hitting a woman who attacked you first, with clear intent to harm, certainly shouldn't give you "woman beater" stigma. It is also acceptable in play-fights, but I guess that's not what OP had in mind.
Eclypse Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 No it's not ok to hit anyone. But if I'm attacked I will hit back regardless of the gender of the person. As far as I'm concerned it's all fair game once you show aggression to me. As it well should be too. The equality movement is wonderful but clearly there are still some major steps that need to be taken. In media you see women hitting men all the time and they can't respond or they'll get thrown in jail. That is really unfair in my opinion and spits in the face of equal rights. I would say it is partly what has contributed to the general pussification of men over the last few decades.
stillafool Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 This is a spin-off from the 'my boyfriend cheated and I punched him' thread. Is it ever acceptable to hit a woman? If yes, why, if no, why not? I was gonna post this in the abuse thread but that forum goes 6 days at a time without a post. Yes, in self defense.
grkBoy Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Only time I'd ever raise my hand to a woman is when she is looking to physically harm me. I'm not talking about a slap, I'm mean she's trying to beat the crap out of me or even kill me. Thankfully I've never been in that situation.
Richard Friedman Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Generally no, though there are some "pathological cases." If a guy found out one of kids wasn't his, I could totally understand him beating ten shades of **** out of the woman. Also if a guy walked in on his wife(or long term ltr) cheating, in their own bed or something, I could understand if he hit her out of anger. I wouldn't condone the second though, but the first case the woman has no sympathy from me.
AHardDaysNight Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Not unless in self defense, or in defense of someone else.
carhill Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 cops usually believe the woman Unless the cop is a woman
carhill Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Purely anecdotal but my exW was always disappointed when a female cop pulled her over. Male cop, smile. There's a reason for that.
carhill Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 Female cops know all the female bullshyte because they're female. Male cops generally want to fµck females and women like my exW are masters at capitalizing on that, whether it's 75 in a 55 or a DV situation. Simple human relations.
samsungxoxo Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 I'll go by what my ex BF (now friend) said a long time ago when we started dating. His words: I don't hit girls and will never hit one... unless... unless she's really choking me and my life is threatned or really beats the hell out of me and I got no way out. That's how it should be and I agree with it. It should be as only self-defense when your life is at stake not as retaliation just because ''Well she hit first'' mentality.
Woggle Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 I would never hit a woman but the first act of violence against me and I am out of there. I don't think men are obligated to just stand there and take it.
samsungxoxo Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 I agree. But even then, lets say a woman is choking your ex-bf and your ex-bf might take a swing to get out of the situation. He will go to jail. Not her. Even when it's in self defence of your life you would still be labeled a woman beater and get your ass hauled to jail. People would think "oh poor woman", and then offcourse everybody you know would distance themselves from you.But wouldn't there be a choke mark on his neck and if the woman has long nails, which many do then wouldn't that be kinda enough to clear him out? If he still goes to jail for this than it would suck. It would be society letting loose someone crazy. That's about the only time I wouldn't think it's fair.
Author Ginger Beer Posted September 13, 2011 Author Posted September 13, 2011 Woman beater. I hate "men" like you. I agree with everyone who said it's wrong to hit anyone regardless of gender. Violence is wrong. I personally think there are some particular circumstances where violence is necessary though. And I hate men like you who think it's ok for a woman to hit a man and by thinking that see yourself as some type of hero. In reality you are not being a "good guy", by not holding women accountable for their actions you are just holding them at the same level as a child. You do not think women are good enough to take responsibility for themselves. Cocaine, I'd buy you a drink to be honest. Your posts in this thread have been top notch. I was going to reply to the poster who was replying to me but there wasn't much I could add once you'd posted. I just started this thread as I thought it'd be interesting to see what people's opiniosnare. I'm not a violent person or a 'woman beater' at all.
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