Man, I trust women less and less everyday

[madjac74]

Yeah man, you'd complain about her left eye instead of looking at her tits.

 

I would. I generally look women in the eyes. I'm not much of a tit man and wandering and crossed eyes bother me. I guess I can be just as shallow as you

[Elysian Powder]

Portman is friggin 30 now and she looks just as good!

 

I still wouldn't bang her now. She's older than me but I remember being a kid and crushing hard on her when she was in her early 20's.

[LoveandSuch]

Emma Watson...have not heard of these girls you mention but again it shows beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder!, plus many other factors are much more important. Your taste lies on the anemic, sickly look. Some like that, many do not.

 

http://img.wallpaperstock.net:81/emma-watson-wallpapers_12744_1280x1024.jpg

[Elysian Powder]

and wandering and crossed eyes bother me. I guess I can be just as shallow as you

 

Shallowness is great to have when you can afford it. I was gonna ask you if you were a butt-man instead of an appreciator of tits, but then I wondered if you are into legs.

[madjac74]

Emma Watson...have not heard of these girls you mention but again it shows beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder!, plus many other factors are much more important. Your taste lies on the anemic, sickly look. Some like that, many do not.

 

http://img.wallpaperstock.net:81/emma-watson-wallpapers_12744_1280x1024.jpg

 

Beauty is in the "wandering eye" of the beholder....that has so much meaning toward the actual topic of the thread

[madjac74]

Shallowness is great to have when you can afford it. I was gonna ask you if you were a butt-man instead of an appreciator of tits, but then I wondered if you are into legs.

 

Haha You are right! Seriously how did you know?

[Elysian Powder]

. Your taste lies on the anemic, sickly look. Some like that, many do not.

 

No, my taste lies more on women who enjoy their femininity and that work hard(or are naturally so) to maintain the beauty of their body, a body type that was pretty common decades ago, but now many women look at it with disdain and depreciation.

[Elysian Powder]

Haha You are right! Seriously how did you know?

 

A friend of mine is obsessed with legs, another is a faithful follower of butts. You guys are noticeable, lol.

[2good4hm]

My last 2 boyfriends and several dates I have been on within the past 6 months have always checked out women. I thought women did it less than men. I will not date someone who has a wondering eye. If I can't hold your attention now, I never will.

[LoveandSuch]

Yeah man, you'd complain about her left eye instead of looking at her tits.

 

 

 

I'm not part of the generation that made her rich by watching her movies, sorry. I'd bang her, but I've seen far more attractive ''ordinary'' women out there, outside of the silver screen.

 

 

The word use of, "tits," explains alot. Here is one for you Elysian Powder, and lucky you she is 10, the 18-20 year olds better watch out!!!!:laugh:

 

http://www.waleg.com/style/images/young-vogue-model.jpg

[LoveandSuch]

No, my taste lies more on women who enjoy their femininity and that work hard(or are naturally so) to maintain the beauty of their body, a body type that was pretty common decades ago, but now many women look at it with disdain and depreciation.

 

Working hard and the type of body you are attracted to do not mesh, it is called not working out, plenty of them decades ago when exercise was not of extreme importance.

[Elysian Powder]

The word use of, "tits," explains alot. Here is one for you Elysian Powder, and lucky you she is 10, the 18-20 year olds better watch out!!!!:laugh:

 

http://www.waleg.com/style/images/young-vogue-model.jpg

 

Jesus Christ, you creeped me out!

[Elysian Powder]

Working hard and the type of body you are attracted to do not mesh, it is called not working out, plenty of them decades ago when exercise was not of extreme importance.

 

I"m attracted to 2 types of body. The natural body of a woman untouched by time and by the garbage food produced in the western world; and I'm attracted to the firm, toned bodies of the Ballerinas.

[dasein]

I'm told that men and women need relationships and that life is nothing, boring, and senseless without marriage/dating/sex.

 

Don't you think that the people who have the most to win by doing or preaching something, are going to drone on and on about ''it' being so important, but forgetting to mention why it is so relevant to a man's life?

 

There are a couple of things to keep in mind, you seem to have learned them, but I will clarify for others:

 

1. We have all been laboring under a gigantic cultural lie for the last 50 years, and that lie is that women are the victims of men, and have been so historically. It is so socially pervasive that in forums like this, any portrayal of women as at fault for even part of our gender situation, because it knocks them off the victim chair, is not to be tolerated, and to be silenced, shouted down, or shamed away if possible. This victim status is so precious to many of them, that they are absolutely incapable of admitting or stipulating to even the smallest amount of blame on women, as a group, for gender-typical actions.

 

If you have the gall to suggest that women are partially at fault for any gender issue, you will be met with illogic if you are lucky, or direct insults such as "misogynist" or worse if you are not so lucky. So in their minds, any characterization of women as a gender, any negative generalization (positive generalizations interestingly enough, are totally acceptable, imagine that) is the equivalent of "hatred of women." This "nonargument" is the only argument they have, and they will repeat it over and over and over even though it doesn't make any sense or make any valid point with respect to whatever is being discussed.

 

You see, if they actually address these types of issues head-on, the only logical conclusion is that both genders share some blame for these generalized gender issues, there is no logically defensible polar position that puts all the blame on men. But we can't have that at all, because it erodes the victim status of women, and the monster status of men simultaneously, and this equates to an unacceptable level of cognitive dissonance.

 

So when you see a thread that says "why do women do?" or "I don't trust women any more," the above explains precisely why a vast majority of the replies will be either "men do it more," or "men do it too." There have been a few replies by females in the thread suggesting that they have escaped the big "female victimhood" lie, and those are heartening, as the lie described above has done more damage to our culture than dropping a warhead on Manhattan would, the social costs just aren't as easily measurable.

 

2. In order for the male monster myth to work, men must be compartmentalized at every opportunity. There are exactly three categories of men,

 

a) monsters/predators - these are men who are not currently compliant with a general or specific female agenda, marriage, children, commitment to do whatever a woman wants him to do for life. 99.9% of them are not criminals in any way shape or form. They are equated with the lowest common denominator of criminal though. Women will never ever admit it, but many many women resent that these men have any civil rights at all, and won't hesitate a moment to take them away given the chance. Even though you aren't a psychopath, sociopath, rapist, murderer, etc. this is where you are slotted when you aren't kissing some woman's ass somewhere, or god forbid, express a less than reverent attitude about women. See MDM's thread where he is called a "dirty ass liar," "sociopath," "waste of skin," merely because he has a bad attitude about two loose women he is sleeping with as a very good example. Most men are put in this category today, maybe 80%

 

b) studs - these are monsters/predators who look good, are tall, wealthy and have social value. Adding those things to a monster/predator gives him what the Catholics call an "Indulgence" and he can literally do no wrong. His existence explains the bad boy paradox, etc. This is 5-10% of men.

 

c) suckers/manginas - these "yesdear" and "honeydo" everything their woman tells them. There are a few very obvious ones here on LS. Before the Big Lie about women as victims, ironically, about 80% of the men were this category. The supreme irony of feminism is that they literally exterminated this class, the ones who gladly kissed their ass, by continuing poor treatment of men as a gender for 50 years. Now, hilariously enough, only 10-15% of men are in this class today, and that is another explanation of the gender wars. Yes, women effectively had a "loving slave" class in "traditional, gentlemanly, chivalrous" men of the past, and basically bludgeoned the entire class to death, turning men into cynical asshats. Where did all the "gentleman" go? Feminism beat them to death with the efficiency Norwegians club baby seals.

 

And the above verbose Friday avoiding work screed explains why you will always here the dull, hypnotic droning "be a family man, be a family man, be a family man, men aren't happy unless they are married, men aren't happy unless they are married" over and over.

 

Ever been to a used car lot in a recession? The salesmen sound kind of desperate. Same thing with trying to "recultivate" a new batch of "gentlemen." Lots of us just aren't in a mood to buy any snakeoil today, sorry Ms.

[LoveandSuch]

I"m attracted to 2 types of body. The natural body of a woman untouched by time and by the garbage food produced in the western world; and I'm attracted to the firm, toned bodies of the Ballerinas.

 

What is untouched by time? Sorry masses of out of shape, young women in early 20s, too much junk food, too much liquor, (many girls are starting to have sex by the time they are 12), used up, and look 40 by the time they are 25.

In reading your posts you seem extremely confused yourself, you go from full figured gals to ballerina bodies...????

[AHardDaysNight]

No, my taste lies more on women who enjoy their femininity and that work hard(or are naturally so) to maintain the beauty of their body, a body type that was pretty common decades ago, but now many women look at it with disdain and depreciation.

 

Emma Watson looks extremely feminine.

 

Kat Dennings, however, looks like a man.

[LoveandSuch]

There are a couple of things to keep in mind, you seem to have learned them, but I will clarify for others:

 

1. We have all been laboring under a gigantic cultural lie for the last 50 years, and that lie is that women are the victims of men, and have been so historically. It is so socially pervasive that in forums like this, any portrayal of women as at fault for even part of our gender situation, because it knocks them off the victim chair, is not to be tolerated, and to be silenced, shouted down, or shamed away if possible. This victim status is so precious to many of them, that they are absolutely incapable of admitting or stipulating to even the smallest amount of blame on women, as a group, for gender-typical actions.

 

If you have the gall to suggest that women are partially at fault for any gender issue, you will be met with illogic if you are lucky, or direct insults such as "misogynist" or worse if you are not so lucky. So in their minds, any characterization of women as a gender, any negative generalization (positive generalizations interestingly enough, are totally acceptable, imagine that) is the equivalent of "hatred of women." This "nonargument" is the only argument they have, and they will repeat it over and over and over even though it doesn't make any sense or make any valid point with respect to whatever is being discussed.

 

You see, if they actually address these types of issues head-on, the only logical conclusion is that both genders share some blame for these generalized gender issues, there is no logically defensible polar position that puts all the blame on men. But we can't have that at all, because it erodes the victim status of women, and the monster status of men simultaneously, and this equates to an unacceptable level of cognitive dissonance.

 

So when you see a thread that says "why do women do?" or "I don't trust women any more," the above explains precisely why a vast majority of the replies will be either "men do it more," or "men do it too." There have been a few replies by females in the thread suggesting that they have escaped the big "female victimhood" lie, and those are heartening, as the lie described above has done more damage to our culture than dropping a warhead on Manhattan would, the social costs just aren't as easily measurable.

 

2. In order for the male monster myth to work, men must be compartmentalized at every opportunity. There are exactly three categories of men,

 

a) monsters/predators - these are men who are not currently compliant with a general or specific female agenda, marriage, children, commitment to do whatever a woman wants him to do for life. 99.9% of them are not criminals in any way shape or form. They are equated with the lowest common denominator of criminal though. Women will never ever admit it, but many many women resent that these men have any civil rights at all, and won't hesitate a moment to take them away given the chance. Even though you aren't a psychopath, sociopath, rapist, murderer, etc. this is where you are slotted when you aren't kissing some woman's ass somewhere, or god forbid, express a less than reverent attitude about women. See MDM's thread where he is called a "dirty ass liar," "sociopath," "waste of skin," merely because he has a bad attitude about two loose women he is sleeping with as a very good example. Most men are put in this category today, maybe 80%

 

b) studs - these are monsters/predators who look good, are tall, wealthy and have social value. Adding those things to a monster/predator gives him what the Catholics call an "Indulgence" and he can literally do no wrong. His existence explains the bad boy paradox, etc. This is 5-10% of men.

 

c) suckers/manginas - these "yesdear" and "honeydo" everything their woman tells them. There are a few very obvious ones here on LS. Before the Big Lie about women as victims, ironically, about 80% of the men were this category. The supreme irony of feminism is that they literally exterminated this class, the ones who gladly kissed their ass, by continuing poor treatment of men as a gender for 50 years. Now, hilariously enough, only 10-15% of men are in this class today, and that is another explanation of the gender wars. Yes, women effectively had a "loving slave" class in "traditional, gentlemanly, chivalrous" men of the past, and basically bludgeoned the entire class to death, turning men into cynical asshats. Where did all the "gentleman" go? Feminism beat them to death with the efficiency Norwegians club baby seals.

 

And the above verbose Friday avoiding work screed explains why you will always here the dull, hypnotic droning "be a family man, be a family man, be a family man, men aren't happy unless they are married, men aren't happy unless they are married" over and over.

 

Ever been to a used car lot in a recession? The salesmen sound kind of desperate. Same thing with trying to "recultivate" a new batch of "gentlemen." Lots of us just aren't in a mood to buy any snakeoil today, sorry Ms.

 

Where is, "healthy," by this I mean a man and woman meeting by chance, attracted to one another instantly, get to know each other slowly, find many common interests, are never bored because they enjoy discussing current events, also their daily occurences, laughing with similar taste in humor about all the above, socialize heavily, having fun with the socializing and evening circuit making their connection stronger. Dressing up together for Balls, Ballets, enjoying eachothers company beyond any other. Have their own hobbies they enjoy, but also will partner up for eachothers as well. Is this possible today?!!!!

[muse08]

And how would you know that?

 

Do you spend all of your time with them? Did you get a tracking device installed on their cars? Do you maintain a hidden video camera in the women's bedroom? Do you take their word at face value? Is that how you know that your girlfriends don't cheat? They're compassionate, dedicated, and lovable? Does that mean that they'd never entertain the thought of harming their husbands, and the men who meet women like this ''type'' are obviously not looking in the right places for a wife, or haven't given enough time to the ''get to know each other'' stage?

 

Say what. One day you find a lump on top of your head. You talk about this to someone. That person says that it's nothing to worry about. Will you go to the doctor? Or are you going to accept the person's reassurance with no proof that your health is not going to be endangered by listening to words, not actions?

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.womensinfidelity.com/

 

http://uk.askmen.com/top_10/dating_150/181_dating_list.html

 

Good luck, fellas.

 

Yes. I agree with you elysian powder!

 

I'm under the impression that many men feel that women should be "victims" no matter how bad they're being treated. Some men are just this simple minded. Plain and simple! As I said before, How do you expect to settle down with an angle when you've been a snake all your life? Of course we all have good and bad in us, but some people have spent most of their lives being cheaters, where others may have been pushed to that point only once! Of ocurse it doesn't make it right, but anyone knows that it's not as bad as repeating the same pattern of NAGATIVE behavior. People deserve second chances, so when the same bahavior continues or you notice many onconsistancies in what someone is saying versus what they do, time to cut them loose. Some people choose to cheat, others like myself choose to let the person go RATHER THAN STAY TO SEE WHO CAN BE THE BEST CHEATER OR CONTINUE TO HURT MY SIGNIFICANT OTHER.

 

Unfortunately, this whole thing is a viscious cycle. IMO, more women use to remain faithful regardless to whether their men were cheating or not. Now days, many women REALIZE that they have just as many options as men. So people who cheat, wake up and realize something. If you don't take care of what you have, your partner will look elsewhere for the love and/or attention.

[LoveandSuch]

Yes. I agree with you elysian powder!

 

I'm under the impression that many men feel that women should be "victims" no matter how bad they're being treated. Some men are just this simple minded. Plain and simple! As I said before, How do you expect to settle down with an angle when you've been a snake all your life? Of course we all have good and bad in us, but some people have spent most of their lives being cheaters, where others may have been pushed to that point only once! Of ocurse it doesn't make it right, but anyone knows that it's not as bad as repeating the same pattern of NAGATIVE behavior. People deserve second chances, so when the same bahavior continues or you notice many onconsistancies in what someone is saying versus what they do, time to cut them loose. Some people choose to cheat, others like myself choose to let the person go RATHER THAN STAY TO SEE WHO CAN BE THE BEST CHEATER OR CONTINUE TO HURT MY SIGNIFICANT OTHER.

 

Unfortunately, this whole thing is a viscious cycle. IMO, more women use to remain faithful regardless to whether their men were cheating or not. Now days, many women REALIZE that they have just as many options as men. So people who cheat, wake up and realize something. If you don't take care of what you have, your partner will look elsewhere for the love and/or attention.

 

Right on point! It is sad a woman cannot be sad, talk about problems without being labeled an attention seeker, a victim and so on. The majority of women are not BPD, or crazy! It seems all women are placed in this category, very sad. Yes women should run if cheated on!

[Woggle]

This site used to have some really fierce gender wars on it, there were several women serial cheaters posting there and several men who had been cheated on... the flaming got so bad the forums were shut down. There was one female cheater poster who was contrite, the rest had either completely blameshifted their behavior to the men in their lives or thought cheating was somehow their due as payback for bad treatment of women in the past. The stories of many of the male posters there were nightmarish, yet somehow you never hear about similar, likely due to shame of the men in question and female blameshifting. Don't know if the forums have been revived elsewhere or not.

 

That site would have even the most progressive men out there just fuming. I wish the kept the boards up as proof of why I find it so hard to trust women. I convinced my coworker who just got cheated on by his fiance to not use a woman for sex because that would be hurting an innocent person but then I read this board and I see some women find nothing wrong with hurting innocent men. It makes me wonder why I even bother trying to give up this hatred. It really does.

[dasein]

Where is, "healthy," by this I mean a man and woman meeting by chance, attracted to one another instantly, get to know each other slowly, find many common interests, are never bored because they enjoy discussing current events, also their daily occurences, laughing with similar taste in humor about all the above, socialize heavily, having fun with the socializing and evening circuit making their connection stronger. Dressing up together for Balls, Ballets, enjoying eachothers company beyond any other. Have their own hobbies they enjoy, but also will partner up for eachothers as well. Is this possible today?!!!!

 

This is the way almost all normal, average men start out wanting to be, and then, after enough mistreatment, being told by enough very average women that they aren't somehow good enough in their averageness, to get an average woman, while watching these same women favor "less-than" men, they change some. They then see how the system and courts treats their married friends, the presumed guilt of men, presumed innocence of women, and they change some more (for example, God forbid you ever suggest false rape accusers should go to jail for ruining people's lives, that's out and out hatred of women). Then they realize that in our current culture, they have very little control over their reproductive life, and that women hold all the cards and have the power of choice in most all domestic issues as a matter of law. Finally, you have a young guy like Elysian Powder who is completely cynical about the above description of happiness you describe... by the ripe old age of 23.

 

Now of course, we all know, it's because something is "wrong" with him, he has lots of "character flaws," he's just another bitter 23 year old "monster," "sociopath," "waste of skin," right?

[Woggle]

Yes. I agree with you elysian powder!

 

I'm under the impression that many men feel that women should be "victims" no matter how bad they're being treated. Some men are just this simple minded. Plain and simple! As I said before, How do you expect to settle down with an angle when you've been a snake all your life? Of course we all have good and bad in us, but some people have spent most of their lives being cheaters, where others may have been pushed to that point only once! Of ocurse it doesn't make it right, but anyone knows that it's not as bad as repeating the same pattern of NAGATIVE behavior. People deserve second chances, so when the same bahavior continues or you notice many onconsistancies in what someone is saying versus what they do, time to cut them loose. Some people choose to cheat, others like myself choose to let the person go RATHER THAN STAY TO SEE WHO CAN BE THE BEST CHEATER OR CONTINUE TO HURT MY SIGNIFICANT OTHER.

 

Unfortunately, this whole thing is a viscious cycle. IMO, more women use to remain faithful regardless to whether their men were cheating or not. Now days, many women REALIZE that they have just as many options as men. So people who cheat, wake up and realize something. If you don't take care of what you have, your partner will look elsewhere for the love and/or attention.

And what about men who are not snakes? There are more of them than women think but when they are hurt women lump them in with the rest of the jerks and says they deserve it. I have never cheated in my life ever but when I was cheated on I was told it was my payback for all the men that did cheat. Do good men deserve to get cheated on according to you? It makes me rage just thinking about what happened.

 

I am not saying anybody should be a victim but don't be the victimizer. Is it either or in your book?

[KathyM]

Hating or mistrust of an entire gender because of the actions or opinions of some will not serve you well. You will be robbing yourselves of the opportunity for happiness if you judge the entire gender by the actions of some, or if you are cynical or mistrusting of relationships with women in general. You may think you are protecting yourself by having that attitude, but in fact, you are hurting yourself and any chance you have to develop a good relationship with someone.

[threebyfate]

And how would you know that?

 

Do you spend all of your time with them? Did you get a tracking device installed on their cars? Do you maintain a hidden video camera in the women's bedroom? Do you take their word at face value? Is that how you know that your girlfriends don't cheat? They're compassionate, dedicated, and lovable? Does that mean that they'd never entertain the thought of harming their husbands, and the men who meet women like this ''type'' are obviously not looking in the right places for a wife, or haven't given enough time to the ''get to know each other'' stage?

 

Say what. One day you find a lump on top of your head. You talk about this to someone. That person says that it's nothing to worry about. Will you go to the doctor? Or are you going to accept the person's reassurance with no proof that your health is not going to be endangered by listening to words, not actions?

I happen to know my friends, family and myself. Can't speak for your environment or experiences but you're welcome to distrust everyone in your life if that makes you happy. Something tells me it doesn't make you a happy camper!

 

*walks away and enjoys life with loving, respectful and trusted/trusting husband, baby boy, friends and extended family*

[Woggle]

Hating or mistrust of an entire gender because of the actions or opinions of some will not serve you well. You will be robbing yourselves of the opportunity for happiness if you judge the entire gender by the actions of some, or if you are cynical or mistrusting of relationships with women in general. You may think you are protecting yourself by having that attitude, but in fact, you are hurting yourself and any chance you have to develop a good relationship with someone.

 

If you don't want us to mistrust women will you go on record as saying it is just as wrong for a woman to betray and mistreat a man as the other way around?