Ladies, why are you cheating more often?

[sally4sara]

Misandrists who cheer on female cheating do the same thing.

 

And? They have their male counterparts. If you're not one of them why not let the misandrists and the misogynists battle it out? Especially in light of the fact that YOU ARE MARRIED; supposedly happily so though I doubt it for the way you go on about women you won't be dating. You say it your self that the safest thing to do is find a good woman and not someone like your mom or ex. Since you also say you found a good woman, YOU have nothing to fear from misandrists. Yet you are always on the lookout for them as though they are the friggen boogieman. More and more it seems you need the battle; LOVE the battle. Kind of crazy behavior if you ask me. Doesn't being a nut bag run in your family tree though? Ever thought maybe you're just crazy like your ma? That's a health concern that you should probably look into to be safe.

[Mme. Chaucer]

And if a man did it at anytime throughout history, he would get a pat on the back or a joking nudge from his pals.

 

Thank God that there is a man (I am assuming you're male, madjac) who will acknowledge this here.

 

I did see one post saying women do it because men do it but I admit most women in here don't seem to be condoning it.

 

 

 

Um ...

 

Societally speaking, there is probably an element to "women do it because men do it."

 

 

Our society, and many others, have been permissive about men not being sexually faithful to their wives.

 

Unfaithful women, on the other hand, have ben labelled pariahs, as another poster has mentioned.

 

Do you deny this?

 

In recent times, women have been availing themselves of this same behavior more.

 

It's kind of like a backlash.

 

I don't condone it, and neither did TAL, who you keep accusing of condoning it.

 

It's part of the giant glacial shift of society.

 

I honestly believe that one of the reasons that there are so many men here touting "biological imperative" and trashing females who exercise sexual freedom, as well as obsessing about women who are unfaithful, is that they're terribly threatened that women have infiltrated an area that was historically a realm of men. It IS threatening.

 

I AM NOT CONDONING CHEATING. I hate cheating. I hate lying. I want to live a good life, as an honest person, and to bring my best to my relationship with the man whom I've chosen as my life partner. I expect the same from him. I'd like to expect the same from men and women in general.

 

If things were to go well, this backlash would recede and BOTH men and women's societal roles would be re-formed into ones that honored accountability, honesty, and other sterling virtues.

 

If LoveShack is any indicator, though, things are not going that way ...

[Elysian Powder]

I don't know how you had time to write all of that, Elysian Powder.

 

The woman I was going to fck had something urgent to do. Had some time to spare. I had to recreate my post because it crashed, I didn't save it, which accounts for 2 paragraphs being the same and stuff.

 

Why is everyone pounding on woggle? Why can't he be afraid of being turned upside down by his wife? He's allegedly happy in his relationship with his wife, but happiness and the good behavior of his wife do not automatically make him immune to being cheated on or dumped, and when you take a good look at the cheating forum, you find dozens and dozens of threads from men who've been married for more than 2 decades but their good woman ''revealed'' their true colours.

 

Granted, much of the same happens to women, but it is men who have much to lose by marrying or giving commitment to a woman(which is easily proved for women channel the endless mantra of marriage profiting men more than it does to women, but women are the sex that continuously pushes for ''commitment''. Funny to think about).

 

I'm not going to put all of my hopes on the Chicago bulls winning the championship i.e, I am not going to bet all of my money on their victory, so why should any man risk his entire life? Because he has known the woman since she was(supposition) 15, went to Church, and helped the poor?

 

It would be far easier to detect a gold-digger or a woman who was just hiding her true colours during the 'courtship stage', but biology is a cruel emperor and the fact that most women are responsible for the ending of a relationship, but also the sex that insists in something, marriage, that has a high risk of failure to be too high for any strong, independent woman, to enter without knowing that it's beneficial for her to put up with a man for some time.

 

I honestly cannot believe that the cause of most of the failing marriages/relationships have the men cheating as the main culprit, and I really do not believe that after years of being with a woman, the man is now going to stop being the cuddly/caring guy that he was when she dated him and had no financial or legal obligations toward her?

 

But somehow, after sealing his fate as a slave to the whims of his wife, and still with that so caring state on his butt 24/7 to see if it can garnish the man's resources; He will stop being the man she grew to love and is going to turn into a cheating/drinking/stoning douchebag?

 

 

 

Why do people fill gyms when the medical world says that physical exercise prevents heart conditions, but when the anthropologists or social scientists explain women's mating strategy and sexual cycle, these vanguards are ignored and men go forward to be branded slaves?

 

even if the man is Prince Charming, has the IQ of Sir. Isaac Newton, and is rich like Bill Gates; the wifey is going to ask for a divorce when she enters the ''I need to find myself,'' and the, '' I love you but I don't love you anymore''.

 

Could a woman's instinctive push for marriage derive from the financial safety that marriage to a man they really aren't attracted to be the reason for the unhappiness of(most) men who are married or in relationships?

 

Maybe we could suggest that the women who cheat/dump their partners,do so, not as part of a minority of women, that famous group attested to the ''you need to find a quality woman, you are looking at the wrong women''; but are the norm in a world of purposive biological tendencies to gather genetic material from certain men/ or resources from certain men?

 

If this is the case... Guys, just stay the hell away from legal pussy. Bang the women in their late teens and late 20's. They're only interested in having fun and they have some 10 to 15 years before their genetic wiring forces them to find a sucker and give life to the endless circle of misery.

 

A guy doesn't need to have Phil Collins bank account to be robbed by the state and by his dear ex-wife. A 17 year old boy can be stuck at paying alimony even if he's poor. Pussy is that expensive, guys, when you lot put a lot of importance into something that is nothing more than a hole; it can be a session of high pleasure, but do not curse your self to an eternity of hell by marrying or ''committing'' to a woman.

 

I know, right? How can a young man be this smart?

 

I learn from my elders.

And if a man did it at anytime throughout history, he would get a pat on the back or a joking nudge from his pal

 

You were there to witness this? Or do you assume that all men are cheating douchebags, rofl? You do know that your life expectancy was greatly increased by a man? And that's too little to praise about Mankind.

Edited September 10, 2011 by Elysian Powder

[Mme. Chaucer]

 

even if the man is Prince Charming, has the IQ of Sir. Isaac Newton, and is rich like Bill Gates; the wifey is going to ask for a divorce when she enters the ''I need to find myself,'' and the, '' I love you but I don't love you anymore''.

 

Has Bill Gates' wife left him to "find herself"? I hadn't heard.

 

 

 

Elysian Powder, what you have revealed through your very long, fantastic and rambling posts is simply that YOU are neither the kind of man who would make a good husband for ANY woman, nor one who would be able to thrive within a marriage. So, all is good. You're single, and will remain so.

 

Have a blast.

[Woggle]

Being turned upside down is what I am afraid of. It happened once and I am afraid of it happening again. You see so many cases of men who have been married twenty years to what they thought was a good woman and all of a sudden a switch gets flipped and she changes into a completely different person who almost takes glee in hurting him.

[KR10N]

Being turned upside down is what I am afraid of. It happened once and I am afraid of it happening again. You see so many cases of men who have been married twenty years to what they thought was a good woman and all of a sudden a switch gets flipped and she changes into a completely different person who almost takes glee in hurting him.

Same vice versa. It's not gender specific.

[Woggle]

Same vice versa. It's not gender specific.

 

I acknowledge that it does happen the other way but women do initiate 75% of divorces and are very much favored in the courts. Just look at the divorce forums on this board. It's like a man's worst nightmare and that is what I am so afraid of.

[PhillyDude]

well I guess I should be thankful of my weird turn on......"my girlfriend having sex with other men"

 

lol

 

 

a women admitted to me 2 weeks ago that she had a MAIN boyfriend and a SNEAKY boyfriend.

[Elysian Powder]

Elysian Powder, what you have revealed through your very long, fantastic and rambling posts is simply that YOU are neither the

 

kind of man who would make a good husband for ANY woman, nor one who would be able to thrive within a marriage. So, all is good.

 

You're single, and will remain so.

 

Have a blast.

 

Wait, your entire counter-argument to my ''ramble,'' which was filled with good-sense, is my incapability to be a good husband for a woman? Are you for real? Do you think I'm one of those guys you are used to accept everything you say because you are a woman, and that by ''attacking'' my masculinity you can divert the thread's attention to my ''low quality mating material'', and that everything I just mentioned is of no value because I'm outside of the herd - ''I'm not relationship material''?

 

Did you just try to mitigate to the point of non-existence all of the hurt and pain and misery that so many men go through by making their connection to a woman a legal contract, and you also bank your 'card under the sleeve' on Bill Gate's wife not leaving him?

 

Are you an attorney? I ask because your logical fallacy reminds me very much of professional con-artists.

 

Look, I'll break this down for you so that you can ignore - with remarkable indifference the blight of men and how the law prosecutes and punishing men for the sin of being male - from where I'm coming from with my words.

 

1) The wife of a very rich man might not desert him. That in itself is no proof that most women will not do so. You can cross the street without any concern for your safety and survive to do it again, but fact is; most people who gamble their lives in such an immature way will pay the price.

 

 

2) Couldn't it be that good old Melissa knows that by being married to the golden goose, she can be on the receiving end of more than she could ever be, had she gotten a divorce?

 

3) It's senseless to ''back-up'' a disparaging attempt at invalidating an argument by ignoring all of the drama and suffering already stated on this forum.

 

4) You show a complete lack of empathy for men are far more likely than women to commit suicide as they are the greatest victims when a relationship ends, and society has instilled in men the self-sense of being weak if a man talks about how he feels. Women have the entire street and half a Country to support them when the relationship is terminated by a (high quality) man.

 

5)The hatred this so-called free world has for men is extremely blatant. From men being cuckolded(some social scientists think that at least 30%(some believe it to be far higher) of the population does not belong to the man who is unknowingly raising another man's son), to men being sent to jail, without any evidence against them.

 

You kinda know that you are not a loved ''part'' of society when a man is sent to jail because a woman thought that he was sexually harassing her when he looked at her.

 

6) Child-support is plain-old extortion. A cleverly devised gun that doesn't make a man physically, but bounds him to - in many cases - a lifetime of amplified child-support that, more than less, is another form of alimony.

 

As in, the state raises the value of the child-support payments not because the child needs it, but to ''help'' out the woman.

 

It's a hard, cold world, when a strong, independent woman refuses to put her name on a prenuptial agreement, ya know? It shows that he doesn't 'lub me whahha''.

 

Pren-ups have been taken apart and destroyed. They aren't a fire-proof way of protecting yourself and your life - if you are a man.

 

7) Women have at their disposal dozens and dozens of birth control methods.

 

Men only have 2; celibacy and condoms.

 

Condoms do not offer full protection; they can be broken, leaked, or damaged. Telling men to remain as if they were priests is impossible. Not only because nature made sure that men would always want sex; women like to fck too.

 

8)Women have all of the world's power when it comes to reproduction. They, after having the possibility to seal that womb shut with so many birth control methods made for them, can and will get pregnant and expect the man to play into the trickery that they make, many times, on men.

 

9) IF a woman wants to have a child, she holds all of the decisions. Maybe her bio clock is ticking. But the man still has college debt to terminate. It doesn't matter; she calls the shots. Doesn't matter if the living conditions aren't the right ones. Maybe he works 18 hours a day and his future plans are going to be ruined by this birth. Running under the assumption that she took wants a better life, he talks to her, trying to make her think about how this baby would dramatically change their lives.

 

10) A woman can abort if she doesn't feel like having the baby, believes that the man is not marriage material, or she doesn't want the baby to have his genetic traits. The guy could be hard-working, dedicated to his family, to her,and to the Church; but all of his qualities and potential would not move her away from aborting the unborne child.

 

He's nothing. His feelings aren't taken into consideration. His goals, dreams and plans do not matter because women can and do decide who lives or who dies.

 

11) Lets picture this. The man is too young. Not ready to have children. The woman ends up pregnant. He tries to make her see that having this child during this time in their lives would put them back many years. He's immediately classed as a monster. Quickly kicked from his house. His family doesn't want anything to do with him. His friends are long gone. His life is massively damaged.

 

12) The man decides to man-up. He wants this child, knows that children are wonderful gifts and wants to raise his kid as best as he can. His gf/wife wants some other guy or isn't interested in something as long-term investment as a baby is. She decides to abort. He has no say in that. He'll be mistreated by her, and there's nothing under the law he can do to save the fetus.

 

Now, I broke this post down, I removed certain parts that would probably be too hard for you to understand, and I'll probably be ignored or I'll be told that I really can't say anything about this because I've never been married. Anyone here gonna put a hand on the oven to see if it burns?

 

Or I'm too young to understand the bliss of being in a committed relationship with women. Well, I'm old enough to know that missing one month in paying an ex-wife's alimony will send me to jail. Fck, how unromantic I am. I must be bitter.

 

I understand that you really do not have the capacity to analyze what I've mentioned and to reply to it after some time of preponderation on the subject, nor do you have empathy for men, for you disregard all of a man's suffering and potential heartache by purposely ignoring the very real world I carved on this post, because you don't want to lose the victim-hood card; how can you play the game of ''men are bad, women are good'' if you actually have to admit that many, many, many men are victims of women and that by marrying/dating/whatever a woman, the index of female abuse bestowed upon men can reach catastrophically high numbers?

 

Never the less, I won't lose heart in my hopefulness. You can become a caring, benevolent human being. I'm sure of it. I'm confident that as you leave your mid- teen years behind you, you'll carry with you the wisdom to read, reflect, agree or disagree, based on valid arguments from your side of the table, to a man's side of the table.

 

Is your momma home? Could you be kind enough to ask her to explain all of this to you?

 

Thanks.

 

Sorry for the ''ramble,'' by the way. Grown-ups have to supply the bones and the flesh in an argument if they want to be taken serious. I'm sorry that high schools nowadays do not teach students the patience and the will to read a text without soon flying into a tantrum of 'feel, no, bad, impossible, Peter Pan, must control'.

 

I forgot about alimony. Can you believe that an upstanding, retired marine, can have his means of putting food on the table taken away from him because, his wife of many decades decided that his 6'4'' toned frame didn't turn her on enough anymore, did the dirty deed with a scum of a kid and not only took the house away from him; he has no access to the kids, has to pay alimony to a cheating wife, is essentially homeless and can't work because the wife pressed domestic violence charges based wholly on the invisible ''wounds he marked her with''.

 

How is this guy supposed to work with children, now? Oh, don't mind that. He was either a bad man(the bloody leader of my community, saint of a man), or he just happened to mate with one of those ''very'' rare bad apples.

 

I'm not a god damn sheep. Pretty promises that aren't fulfilled a lot of the time. A lifetime of suffering, a trip to the joint(if you miss the princess slavery check) and the possibilty of the woman blowing your brains out while you sleep.

 

Keep your fantasies to yourself. I'm a man. If I fall, I'll have to pick myself up. I'm not part of the sex that is protected, taken care off, and handed with a smile all of the educational opportunities by the ''domineering 'patriarchy,'' lmao.

Edited September 10, 2011 by Elysian Powder

[KR10N]

I acknowledge that it does happen the other way but women do initiate 75% of divorces and are very much favored in the courts. Just look at the divorce forums on this board. It's like a man's worst nightmare and that is what I am so afraid of.

How many of the 75% divorces were finalized due to infidelity, physical/emotional abuse, neglecting family, etc.?

[Woggle]

How many of the 75% divorces were finalized due to infidelity, physical/emotional abuse, neglecting family, etc.?

 

I don't know but I hear a lot about a woman having an affair and then all of a sudden she changes into a different person who seems to enjoy hurting her husband.

[KR10N]

I don't know but I hear a lot about a woman having an affair and then all of a sudden she changes into a different person who seems to enjoy hurting her husband.

What is your malfunction? Do you have some sort of paranoia?

[Woggle]

What is your malfunction? Do you have some sort of paranoia?

 

Yes I am very paranoid.

[KR10N]

Yes I am very paranoid.

I've read various posts saying you're married. Supposedly happy, won't go into detail & I won't ask. If you are in a happy marriage, you should be more optimistic, right?

[Woggle]

I've read various posts saying you're married. Supposedly happy, won't go into detail & I won't ask. If you are in a happy marriage, you should be more optimistic, right?

 

I am terrified of becoming one of those men.

[Ginger Beer]

well I guess I should be thankful of my weird turn on......"my girlfriend having sex with other men"

 

lol

 

 

a women admitted to me 2 weeks ago that she had a MAIN boyfriend and a SNEAKY boyfriend.

 

This makes me absolutely ****ing rage.

 

If I ever know anyone having an affair, I'm telling their partners. It's bang out of order.

[dasein]

How many of the 75% divorces were finalized due to infidelity, physical/emotional abuse, neglecting family, etc.?

 

Probably one third or less of those that were "sold" as such to the domestic court judge.

 

How many were finalized due to her desire to find some "Eat Pray Love" fantasyland? How many were finalized due to her "just not feeling the butterflies" any more? How many were finalized due to her not getting the principessa fabulous lifestyle she feels she deserves? See how that kind of groundless speculation can go both ways?

 

As far as domestic abuse, women commit at least half of it, and more than men do against children.

[sally4sara]

I think the reason why you are getting some flack in this thread Elysian is because you speak of situations you have not gone through to know all the facts. You have never married and therefore, have never divorced. As well you state that you don't believe that many marriages end due to the husband cheating when the instance of infidelity is pretty even among married men and women now. Truly if you wish to not believe this happens it is your right; my fundie family doesn't believe in evolution and life still goes on.

 

However, as a woman who was married to a man who did cheat and has gone through a divorce I can assure you it happens. I covered the costs of the divorce even though HE LEFT refusing counselling yet did nothing to move the divorce along for 6 years. This is the largest reason why more women file 75% of the time - the person who starts the ball rolling ends up covering more of the proceedings costs. It costs money to file for divorce and all of the threads on here about women who expect men to wine and dine them shows a clear theme of men being more concerned with retaining money. They will sit and wait for the wife to act even when they want the divorce.

Alimony is not the common result you seem to think it is. I receive none and never did. No one I know who has divorced ended up with alimony being paid. I know some settlements end with one spouse giving the other alimony. We even have a divorced woman on this site who pays her unfaithful husband spousal support. But alimony is not the common result of a divorce.

I am remarried. My husband's family has a law firm and I've heard every argument about the unfair treatment of men in the courts you have posed here as well as those other fellas on here rant about. I cannot tell you how many times they admit when pressed to the point that the custody arrangement they got was uncontested by them and they do not pay spousal support. As well, I have ran all these scenarios by the lawyers in the firm that handle divorce cases and most of what you are saying is the stuff of urban legends today. There is really only two states left that still operated unfairly, the rest have evened out.

As well my ex roomate, a single father, shared much of what he found when he formed a support group for men going through divorce. Like with every dispute, there is his side, her side, and then there is the truth. Whatever horror stories you've heard are usually crafted to paint the person telling it in the best light.

The latest research on this subject was being discussed a few months back in the office. Currently, when a man requests a particular custody settlement - 70% of the time he gets what he asked for. The other 30% is partially due to those two states that hold archaic ideals about divorce and custody and the really ugly ones where mediation breaks down.

 

Then you move on to the abortion laws. You are correct, a woman can decide to abort or not and after conception a man has little power to do anything. I have lost track of how many times I have asked the men who complain about this why they do not bank a sample and get a vasectomy if this is such a troubling thing. It would assuredly prevent a man from ever being in the situation to begin with. If a man does nothing to cover his ass before a situation goes pear shaped then he forces the decision onto someone else. In essence, his gives up his right by not being prudent. Yet time and time again, I hear men, like you did just now in your post, act like men only have two methods of birth control when vasectomies have been in practice since the 1400s and became more mainstream in the US around the same time abortion was legalized. You don't even have to bank a sample, it sperm can be extracted even after the procedure should you decide you are ready to have children.

 

Also, one spouse who is suppose to pay some kind of support (child or alimony support) but fails to do so RARELY results in going to jail let alone prison. My ex is in arrears like WHOA, he isn't going to jail I assure you. The worst that will happen to him is they will seize his tax return or suspend his license.

 

Try to educate yourself better on the subjects you choose to get long winded over and you might find people lending more respect to your input.

[KR10N]

Probably one third or less of those that were "sold" as such to the domestic court judge.

 

How many were finalized due to her desire to find some "Eat Pray Love" fantasyland? How many were finalized due to her "just not feeling the butterflies" any more? How many were finalized due to her not getting the principessa fabulous lifestyle she feels she deserves? See how that kind of groundless speculation can go both ways?

 

As far as domestic abuse, women commit at least half of it, and more than men do against children.

I already know all about that. I wasn't insinuating that the whole 75% was because of the reasons I suggested. As for 75%, I'm not even sure if that's an accurate number.

 

Just to set the record straight, someone is going to leave someone else at one point in their life. Feelings get hurt, you cope & move on.

[Ginger Beer]

I think the reason why you are getting some flack in this thread Elysian is because you speak of situations you have not gone through to know all the facts. You have never married and therefore, have never divorced. As well you state that you don't believe that many marriages end due to the husband cheating when the instance of infidelity is pretty even among married men and women now. Truly if you wish to not believe this happens it is your right; my fundie family doesn't believe in evolution and life still goes on.

 

However, as a woman who was married to a man who did cheat and has gone through a divorce I can assure you it happens. I covered the costs of the divorce even though HE LEFT refusing counselling yet did nothing to move the divorce along for 6 years. This is the largest reason why more women file 75% of the time - the person who starts the ball rolling ends up covering more of the proceedings costs. It costs money to file for divorce and all of the threads on here about women who expect men to wine and dine them shows a clear theme of men being more concerned with retaining money. They will sit and wait for the wife to act even when they want the divorce.

Alimony is not the common result you seem to think it is. I receive none and never did. No one I know who has divorced ended up with alimony being paid. I know some settlements end with one spouse giving the other alimony. We even have a divorced woman on this site who pays her unfaithful husband spousal support. But alimony is not the common result of a divorce.

I am remarried. My husband's family has a law firm and I've heard every argument about the unfair treatment of men in the courts you have posed here as well as those other fellas on here rant about. I cannot tell you how many times they admit when pressed to the point that the custody arrangement they got was uncontested by them and they do not pay spousal support. As well, I have ran all these scenarios by the lawyers in the firm that handle divorce cases and most of what you are saying is the stuff of urban legends today. There is really only two states left that still operated unfairly, the rest have evened out.

As well my ex roomate, a single father, shared much of what he found when he formed a support group for men going through divorce. Like with every dispute, there is his side, her side, and then there is the truth. Whatever horror stories you've heard are usually crafted to paint the person telling it in the best light.

The latest research on this subject was being discussed a few months back in the office. Currently, when a man requests a particular custody settlement - 70% of the time he gets what he asked for. The other 30% is partially due to those two states that hold archaic ideals about divorce and custody and the really ugly ones where mediation breaks down.

 

Then you move on to the abortion laws. You are correct, a woman can decide to abort or not and after conception a man has little power to do anything. I have lost track of how many times I have asked the men who complain about this why they do not bank a sample and get a vasectomy if this is such a troubling thing. It would assuredly prevent a man from ever being in the situation to begin with. If a man does nothing to cover his ass before a situation goes pear shaped then he forces the decision onto someone else. In essence, his gives up his right by not being prudent. Yet time and time again, I hear men, like you did just now in your post, act like men only have two methods of birth control when vasectomies have been in practice since the 1400s and became more mainstream in the US around the same time abortion was legalized. You don't even have to bank a sample, it sperm can be extracted even after the procedure should you decide you are ready to have children.

 

Also, one spouse who is suppose to pay some kind of support (child or alimony support) but fails to do so RARELY results in going to jail let alone prison. My ex is in arrears like WHOA, he isn't going to jail I assure you. The worst that will happen to him is they will seize his tax return or suspend his license.

 

Try to educate yourself better on the subjects you choose to get long winded over and you might find people lending more respect to your input.

 

That's all very well and good but a man should not be forced to raise a child he didn't choose to have.

 

Before civilisation as we know it now, with legal systems and the like, if a woman got pregnant and the man didn't stick around, she was on her own.

 

Now, if he doesn't stick around, he's forced to pay money and if he doesn't he goes to prison.

 

This isn't right.

[dasein]

Then you move on to the abortion laws. You are correct, a woman can decide to abort or not and after conception a man has little power to do anything. I have lost track of how many times I have asked the men who complain about this why they do not bank a sample and get a vasectomy if this is such a troubling thing.

 

This frames the issue nicely, and is a revelation of exactly what men are rising up against more and more by opting out of marriage as a life choice. Instead of the common sense fix, giving men a limited "opt out" window after being informed of the pregnancy, which would be the fair and equitable thing, "if this is so troubling" just go get SURGERY IN YOUR NUTSACK AREA and go to the expense of freezing sperm. Men are continually asked to pay more and more, to do more and more, to undertake more risk so that women can maintain an uneven reproductive playing field in their favor. It doesn't take having been married to see that, merely to be witness to how the institution of marriage and the involuntary servitude of sperm slavery function today to know it's something he (and I and others) don't need in our lives.

 

In essence, his gives up his right by not being prudent.

 

Wrong, he gives up his right because a sh-tty, unjust law says he does. In an environment of supposed equal rights, there is no moral justification for binding a man to a woman's will in perpetuity merely because they engaged in consensual sex. None.

 

Yet time and time again, I hear men, like you did just now in your post, act like men only have two methods of birth control when vasectomies have been in practice since the 1400s and became more mainstream in the US around the same time abortion was legalized. You don't even have to bank a sample, it sperm can be extracted even after the procedure should you decide you are ready to have children.

 

Don't ask for fairness, Mr. Man, just do more for women, give more to women, have surgery so women can preserve a ridiculous, unjust control over men's reproductive freedom. Storing your frozen sperm only costs $350 a year, surely you can afford that or whatever it costs to extract it, just add it to your $3000 a year early dating budget. Vasectomies only cost $800 and reversals $2000, you can shoulder that surely, just a drop in the bucket so to speak!

 

Also, one spouse who is suppose to pay some kind of support (child or alimony support) but fails to do so RARELY results in going to jail let alone prison. My ex is in arrears like WHOA, he isn't going to jail I assure you. The worst that will happen to him is they will seize his tax return or suspend his license.

 

Yeah, it's RARE, only 50,000 or so men at any given time, mostly low income, undereducated, denied right to counsel in several states, ruins their lives, makes them unemployable... all in a country where debtor's prison is supposedly illegal. Just 50,000, probably only affects 250-500k men in total across the country in any given year or two.

 

http://purplemotes.net/2011/03/22/persons-in-jail-for-child-support-debt/

 

Try to educate yourself better

 

Mhmmm.

[KR10N]

Sperm slavery? What ever happened to child labor laws?

[dasein]

Sperm slavery? What ever happened to child labor laws?

 

Yeah, the U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world, higher than any dictatorship, Libya, North Korea, Albania, we have more in jail. 95% of those incarcerated are men, most subject to recidivism, ignorant, uneducated, unable to get legitimate employment in low skill trades in the recession. Putting men in debtors' prison for absurdly high support payments they were never going to be able to pay anyway is a dandy idea, mix em in with all the hardened criminals, surely they can learn a "new trade" from their fellow inmates while locked up. That's some brilliant social engineering there, and a real laff riot to boot.

 

To loosely paraphrase Nietzsche, if there aren't enough real predators to perpetuate feminist victimization culture, society can just create enough predators to make all of us victims in the end.

Edited September 11, 2011 by dasein

[ThsAmericanLife]

This frames the issue nicely, and is a revelation of exactly what men are rising up against more and more by opting out of marriage as a life choice. Instead of the common sense fix, giving men a limited "opt out" window after being informed of the pregnancy, which would be the fair and equitable thing, "if this is so troubling" just go get SURGERY IN YOUR NUTSACK AREA and go to the expense of freezing sperm. Men are continually asked to pay more and more, to do more and more, to undertake more risk so that women can maintain an uneven reproductive playing field in their favor. It doesn't take having been married to see that, merely to be witness to how the institution of marriage and the involuntary servitude of sperm slavery function today to know it's something he (and I and others) don't need in our lives.

 

 

 

Wrong, he gives up his right because a sh-tty, unjust law says he does. In an environment of supposed equal rights, there is no moral justification for binding a man to a woman's will in perpetuity merely because they engaged in consensual sex. None.

 

 

 

Don't ask for fairness, Mr. Man, just do more for women, give more to women, have surgery so women can preserve a ridiculous, unjust control over men's reproductive freedom. Storing your frozen sperm only costs $350 a year, surely you can afford that or whatever it costs to extract it, just add it to your $3000 a year early dating budget. Vasectomies only cost $800 and reversals $2000, you can shoulder that surely, just a drop in the bucket so to speak!

 

 

 

Yeah, it's RARE, only 50,000 or so men at any given time, mostly low income, undereducated, denied right to counsel in several states, ruins their lives, makes them unemployable... all in a country where debtor's prison is supposedly illegal. Just 50,000, probably only affects 250-500k men in total across the country in any given year or two.

 

http://purplemotes.net/2011/03/22/persons-in-jail-for-child-support-debt/

 

 

 

Mhmmm.

 

Hey... do you, Mr. Dream Merchant, Elysian Powder, and Givenup all room together?

 

Or maybe you're just the same person, with screwed up multiple personalities??

[dasein]

Hey... do you, Mr. Dream Merchant, Elysian Powder, and Givenup all room together?

 

Or maybe you're just the same person, with screwed up multiple personalities??

 

 

I think of a man, and then take away reason and accountability.