sally4sara Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Reading stuff like this really shows why so many men are scared of commitment. Can you imagine being stuck with somebody who has this kind of contempt and disdain for you? If you have kids with her and have built a life as a couple you can't get out without losing your right to be a full time parent in your kid's lives and taking a huge financial hit so you are stuck coming home to somebody who despises you. It sure sounds like fun doesn't it? Then stop reading such a stupid tabloid. Tabloids are all about feeding fears and paranoia; stupid shock value titles with fake interviews about fake people and fake situations. And that was from the Femail section. Pray tell why are you reading the femail section of a tabloid if the fiction it puts out makes you uneasy. You really come off like someone with an irrational fear of alien abduction yet cannot stop watching movies about alien abduction no matter how bad the quality of some of the movies gets. I mean for pete's sake they report on pseudo celebrity relationships! You can't honestly believe you get real news from this rag do you?
StoneCold Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Then stop reading such a stupid tabloid. Tabloids are all about feeding fears and paranoia; stupid shock value titles with fake interviews about fake people and fake situations. And that was from the Femail section. Pray tell why are you reading the femail section of a tabloid if the fiction it puts out makes you uneasy. You really come off like someone with an irrational fear of alien abduction yet cannot stop watching movies about alien abduction no matter how bad the quality of some of the movies gets. I mean for pete's sake they report on pseudo celebrity relationships! You can't honestly believe you get real news from this rag do you? Hold on there cow girl In as much as the media does like to fear monger.... I can see where the article is coming from. By no means do I think all women do this...I'd say most likely dont because bad mouthing your spouse usually translates to a bad look for the trash talker... but I'd also say that theres a good contingent that do. I can easily see it happening...women like to talk and express themselves with eachother and I can see that spinning out of control and deteriorating into a sh*t fest...especially when you take into account the high divorce rate which likely indicates a high amount of marital dissatisfaction out there...and when people get to that point...all bets are off the table. I've witnessed it enough times to know
Saul Goodman Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 This is a good looking guy with a good job. Help me understand What's to understand? Dude has low self-esteem. Doubt he is the most rational thinker. Odds are, he'll get screwed over in about 10 years. "No way, I didn't see that coming".
sally4sara Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Hold on there cow girl In as much as the media does like to fear monger.... I can see where the article is coming from. By no means do I think all women do this...I'd say most likely dont because bad mouthing your spouse usually translates to a bad look for the trash talker... but I'd also say that theres a good contingent that do. I can easily see it happening...women like to talk and express themselves with eachother and I can see that spinning out of control and deteriorating into a sh*t fest...especially when you take into account the high divorce rate which likely indicates a high amount of marital dissatisfaction out there...and when people get to that point...all bets are off the table. I've witnessed it enough times to know And with as big as the universe is, I could see how someone might ponder alien abduction. Still don't think a smart person would get all worried and worked up about a tabloid rag. I've known a few people who talked smack on their partner either to others or to their partner in in front of me and others - my ex brother in law was one. He was just plain awful to his first wife! He did the same to his second wife resulting in her returning the favor. My ex father in law and his wife did this to each other. A couple I knew spoke this way about and to each other. And this practice isn't just carried out by people in romantic relationships. Haven't we all had a friend or two that you later learned would **** talk everyone they knew to whomever was around to listen? That is why reading this story in a tabloid and believing it enough to get concerned is pointless. Its not about resentful wives or whether or not a husband was the "type" to deserve the **** talking or which gender does this more in relationships. Some people are just **** talkers and rude so it stands to reason they will be the same in their romantic relationships.
StoneCold Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Some people are just **** talkers and rude so it stands to reason they will be the same in their romantic relationships. You are absolutely right...but this article was written within the context of marriage which seems to be something that blinds many...many dont see stuff like this coming because as silly as it sounds..they think things will be "different" when married. I wouldnt be so quick to dismiss this article at all....it adds a sobering reality within many marriages that people over look until its too late
Afishwithabike Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Reading stuff like this really shows why so many men are scared of commitment. Can you imagine being stuck with somebody who has this kind of contempt and disdain for you? If you have kids with her and have built a life as a couple you can't get out without losing your right to be a full time parent in your kid's lives and taking a huge financial hit so you are stuck coming home to somebody who despises you. It sure sounds like fun doesn't it? I've read several threads you've started on LS. It seems to me that if given a chance to think well of women or not, you'd choose the latter. You seem to be harping the same things over and over. It's not one size fits all. Every woman is not the same.
Author Woggle Posted September 7, 2011 Author Posted September 7, 2011 There is actually a recent TIME magazine article saying that most men these days of a certain age do just as much around the house as their wives. I don't expect certain women to ever ever concede that point but look it up. Also does anybody else find it funny how WIB talks about how horrible it is for a woman to be married to a man but then gets mad at men for not wanting to get married? You would think she would be thanking confirmed bachelors but I am sure breathing while male is somehow a crime in this scenario. It amazes me how everybody says men need a woman to pick up after him but in my single years I managed to keep a very clean house and feed myself plus do everything else and still have time to relax and enjoy my hobbies. Things ran much more smoothly than they ever did while I was with my ex who complained that she did everything.
Author Woggle Posted September 7, 2011 Author Posted September 7, 2011 I've read several threads you've started on LS. It seems to me that if given a chance to think well of women or not, you'd choose the latter. You seem to be harping the same things over and over. It's not one size fits all. Every woman is not the same. I want to think well of women but what am I supposed to do when I see example after example after example that just prove me right?
sally4sara Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 There is actually a recent TIME magazine article saying that most men these days of a certain age do just as much around the house as their wives. I don't expect certain women to ever ever concede that point but look it up. Also does anybody else find it funny how WIB talks about how horrible it is for a woman to be married to a man but then gets mad at men for not wanting to get married? You would think she would be thanking confirmed bachelors but I am sure breathing while male is somehow a crime in this scenario. It amazes me how everybody says men need a woman to pick up after him but in my single years I managed to keep a very clean house and feed myself plus do everything else and still have time to relax and enjoy my hobbies. Things ran much more smoothly than they ever did while I was with my ex who complained that she did everything. Not real clear how the article in Time supports this dailymail article. I think what you're trying to imply is women should have less to bitch about on that subject and I agree, if things are shared evenly there really shouldn't be any bitching to friends about it by either party. I know its a pretty even distribution of household tasks between me and my partner and can only guess as to how it is in the homes of other couples. Most of the ones I know seem to share pretty evenly too.
sally4sara Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 I want to think well of women but what am I supposed to do when I see example after example after example that just prove me right? How are you suppose to? How about by seeing what happens in your own home and remembering that sometimes what you see going on with other couples is not an all encompassing example of their private association. Just like you say two consenting adults having casual sex does not a victim make of the woman, so too is a man you've seen dealing with a crabby in the moment partner a consenting part of that relationship. You seem stuck thinking of men as victims when they have options of how to change relationship circumstances that doesn't serve them well yet somehow see a woman dealing with a relationship that isn't serving her well as fully capable of changing the circumstances for herself if she doesn't like whats going on. Why do you think that is Woggle? I know the answer. Do you?
Author Woggle Posted September 7, 2011 Author Posted September 7, 2011 Not real clear how the article in Time supports this dailymail article. I think what you're trying to imply is women should have less to bitch about on that subject and I agree, if things are shared evenly there really shouldn't be any bitching to friends about it by either party. I know its a pretty even distribution of household tasks between me and my partner and can only guess as to how it is in the homes of other couples. Most of the ones I know seem to share pretty evenly too. Most ones 40 and under do. I admit that some older men view it as beneath them to do things around the house but I don't know any men who can't use a microwave. I know plenty of single guys who have nice and clean places and come to work with nice clean clothes on so obviously they know how to take care of themselves. There are some man haters though who will never admit this and act like every marriage is still like Archie and Edith. They will never ever give any man an ounce of credit for anything whatsoever. They are similiar to men who call women who stay at home gold diggers and women who have careers ballbusters who are trying to emasculate their men. No matter what a woman does she is wrong and with women like this no matter what a man does he is wrong. Just look at the poster I responded to. She talks about how marriage is slavery for women but then in other threads gets mad at men who don't want to marry their girlfriends. A man is in a no win situation with her and sadly many men feel like that with a good number of modern women. We feel we are always wrong no matter what so why even bother?
xxoo Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Woggle, you are the most happily married woman/marriage hater I've ever come across. It is bewildering These men who are suffering....they are not powerless. I sympathize with their plight, but I'm not contributing to the telethon. There are people and situations in the world who deserve my outrage far more. Read the real news a bit more, and the gossip rags a bit less, and you might see my point.
sally4sara Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Most ones 40 and under do. I admit that some older men view it as beneath them to do things around the house but I don't know any men who can't use a microwave. I know plenty of single guys who have nice and clean places and come to work with nice clean clothes on so obviously they know how to take care of themselves. There are some man haters though who will never admit this and act like every marriage is still like Archie and Edith. They will never ever give any man an ounce of credit for anything whatsoever. They are similiar to men who call women who stay at home gold diggers and women who have careers ballbusters who are trying to emasculate their men. No matter what a woman does she is wrong and with women like this no matter what a man does he is wrong. Just look at the poster I responded to. She talks about how marriage is slavery for women but then in other threads gets mad at men who don't want to marry their girlfriends. A man is in a no win situation with her and sadly many men feel like that with a good number of modern women. We feel we are always wrong no matter what so why even bother? Marriage WAS slavery for women. Often they didn't choose their spouse and they had no other option but to marry and deal with what came of that. Does that have much to do with modern marriage? Not really. Yes there are men who still think poorly of women which means there are women who will think poorly of men. But you only see this crap in hetero relationships and think it says something about the female gender that is far far over reaching beyond logic and reason. Its just a different kind of bigotry and all genders seem as prone to some form of bigotry as the other. Get beyond this. There is so much more to life than fretting over the interpersonal dynamics of marriages that are not yours.
soserious1 Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 I want to think well of women but what am I supposed to do when I see example after example after example that just prove me right? Ok, but you post thread after thread of this type, what response are you looking for? Are you hoping that all the women here will finally confess their sins or what? For the record, I've been around both men and women who say really unflattering things about their spouses in public. IMHO, there's a couple generations of Americans who know little about privacy or discretion in the information they share in this era of reality TV. People think a thought and immediately blurt it out, zero conversational filter & it's socially unattractive regardless of which gender does it.
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