Enough Attractiveness is important..my cousin's marriage failing He wants hot girls!

[Elysian Powder]

No, I didn't.

 

Look, I don't like mainstream porn, for the most part. I like couples porn, which is amateur porn filmed by a couple.

 

In those videos and pics, the women look real. So it's not like they're pixelated like I said before...this is real porn, filmed by real couples.

 

I guess what I'm arguing is that men need to turn to amateur porn, instead of the mainstream, fake stuff.

 

You've ever noticed how most of the amateur porn on the net have very good-looking people in it? Or you watch the porn movies of the old and the fat?

 

You know, amateur porn shows that any person can look good. Doesn't matter if it's natural beauty or gained by hard work. Porn makes people self-conscious and that increases our chances of laying a hot chick.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

 

I guess what I'm arguing is that men need to turn to amateur porn, instead of the mainstream, fake stuff.

[/i]

 

How about men instead turn to real women? What happened to that?

 

I understand porn is easy. Real women are much more difficult to deal with. But if men focused more of their energy on how to connect with a real person, I think that would be more valuable then the short term relief porn provides.

[KathyM]

He owes to his wife? Maybe I'm the only one aware of this, but lifelong marriages - caused by an agreement - had their days counted as soon as no fault divorce became as easy to get, as it's easy for the rich to explore the poor.

 

I wouldn't advice him to get out of the marriage; he'll probably be handed quite a lengthy bill. He could stay in the marriage and wait for his wife to ask for a divorce. He'd still have to pay but it wouldn't be as much as it'd be, had he asked for the divorce.

 

I believe that this is the case of the man receiving female attention, not used to it, and deciding to have more of that attention manacled himself to a dying slave farm(marriage).

 

Let this be a lesson for those who want to get married. You lot might marry a woman who has the same looks as you(say, you're average) but changes and instead of looking good, now looks like a land whale.

 

You'll be contemplating ''cheating'', in a highly sexually frustrated state, watching your best years die off.

 

You'll end up living under the beach after a divorce.

 

So, don't marry, go after the hot babes, and if you can't catch 'em, don't marry; for the price a marriage(and the divorce) entails ya'll can fly down to Europe and bang very hot 20-something gold-diggers.

Well, call me naive, but I actually believe in marriage. I don't believe that marriage should be something done on a whim, and as soon as your wife or husband gets a little pudgy, or you start to realize there are more attractive people out there, that you dump them and go after somebody else. Or as soon as you get bored with them, or upset with them, or frustrated by them, or whatever. I believe in working on your marriage, keeping the connection alive, and looking for the good qualities in your spouse, rather than their flaws that you start focusing on. People who have the mindset that they'll stay married as long as it suits them, and they'll throw in the towel as soon as something better comes along, or as soon as the spouse isn't their ideal, shouldn't bother to get married. It's not fair to the spouse, or their future children. My advice to him would be to stop focusing on other women, and start nurturing his relationship with his wife. Stop focusing on her imperfections, and start focusing on building an enjoyable relationship and enjoyable sex life with his wife. So she's just average looking. Most people are. It wasn't a deal breaker when he married her. Why should it be a deal breaker now? I'd have to say that's the epitome of selfish narcissistic superficial behavior to decide your wife, who you knew was average to begin with, is now not good enough, so you are entitled and should go after somebody else and dump the first wife. Good grief, man. Are you that shallow? You act like sex is not possible if your wife is not a hottie. Well, most men's wives are not hotties. So you're advising men to chase after 20 something gold diggers. Well, good luck with that when you're older, wanting children, and wanting a stable life with a wife that will take care of you and care about you.

[AHardDaysNight]

How about men instead turn to real women? What happened to that?

 

I don't believe any sane man would take his hand and a visual image over a real woman.

[Sanman]

Lol, this is silly and the OP needs to fill in the blanks. Your cousin is an alcoholic who likes to talk to people. This woman talked to him and so he married her? Now he wants something better? Okay, did they get a quickie marriage in Vegas? Because, if not, he had an entire relationship to sort this out. Why did he marry her? Either she was attractive when they first met or your cousin picked a girl so ugly because he knew she would never leave him and was insecure. The moral of the story is don't marry ONLY for looks of don't marry because you are insecure. The truth is that your story illustrated why looks are not that important. Looks fade on everyone. No 50 year old will look as good as his/her 25 year old counterpart. If you have compatible lifestyles, interests, and lives you at least end up with a very good friend and business partner you might not be very sexually attracted too. That is not too bad. It is when you marry for looks and she looses them that you realize you have nothing left to enjoy and she is cleaning out your wallet. Never marry and just date young gold diggers? Okay, what happens when you run out of gold? Spend your nights alone and poor? Brilliant! The issue here is simple, your cousin has not figured out the point of marriage. It better to drift along in this world with company that alone. A gold digger will not support you if you are unemployed, sick, need advice, emotional support, or a myriad of other things. We all need people we can count on in this lifetime. For those who think divorce is so expensive...marry someone significantly more successful than yourself.

[Elysian Powder]

I don't believe any sane man would take his hand and a visual image over a real woman.

 

Go meet men(and women) who've been married or living with their partner for some time now.

 

You really do need to get laid, bro. All that emotional involvement to an illusion of what real men or real women are with no sexual return is going to make you a very bitter man.

[Dusk1983]

So i think there has to be some physical attraction there to keep the sex going. Many of you say it is not important

 

 

Nobody has ever said that, as you well know. But why let that get in the way of a silly post, eh?

[Elysian Powder]

How about men instead turn to real women? What happened to that?

 

I understand porn is easy. Real women are much more difficult to deal with. But if men focused more of their energy on how to connect with a real person, I think that would be more valuable then the short term relief porn provides.

 

 

Funny thing about that. I have friends who are part of the very top in terms of good-looks, height, muscles etc.

 

Several of those amazingly good-looking guys had to resort to having sex with women who were average-looking or below, because there was no good-looking woman around, or because it's far easier to bang a woman who is average, when you are some good notches above her in terms of looks, than it is, to attract a woman as good-looking as an attractive man(those require conversation etc).

 

Well, despite the enormous difference in looks, my Alpha male friends are belittled by their girlfriends/FWBs or are sexually deprived.

 

Seriously.

 

It really comes down to many, many young men, looking around, finding with their eyes women who are putting out for the Alpha males, or simply pulling up the price(emotional investment, time, effort, and money) to access their vaginae to the degree of it being just too high; they remember porn ''saving'' their lives as teenagers...

 

And take the path of the least effort and more immediate pleasure.

 

Only a handful of males are born with all of the necessary tools to attract women. You can have a man who is tall, but lacking muscular definition.

 

A man who is short, but buffed like a gorilla. You can be considered attractive by some, but not by all. It doesn't seem to be of any importance... life has a thing to say.

 

These guys realize that guys more attractive than them can and do struggle with women. What's the point of trying if you can't win the game?

 

That's why they are using porn as much as they do, replacing a real woman with Pamela Anderson.

 

Lets say that a man wants to be successful with women. He must become a better version of himself. He might decide to work on his mind. Years of study, thousands and thousands spent on education. Debt lasting for decades.

 

Or.. He decides to sculpt his body.

 

All of this can be very tiring. The expensive clothing. Being rejected most of the time when you start you journey. The almost obsessive attention you have to pay to your diet.

 

The car you'll have to buy if you want to be taken serious(sorry, but traveling on the bus with a woman stop working at age 16);

 

the car insurance, the price of gasoline always on the rise.

 

The condoms - a good quality condom is expensive - being sold in diminutive quantities to sell more; the condom not providing enough protection; the condom breaking and oops, 18 years of child-support.

 

The reality of how so many women are fickle and granted, in this current technological heaven for women, all a female gotta do is turn on the facebook to bathe in male attention.

 

How a woman can cheat on a guy, or dump him for his best friend. How maybe she's pregnant and doesn't want the kid.

 

This is turning into a bible. I'm gonna shorten it up.

 

 

A huge percentage of young men are turning their back to women and submerging themselves in porn because:

 

1)Porn doesn't get pregnant.

 

2)Porn doesn't give diseases to the guy.

 

3)porn doesn't trap the guy in 18 years of child-support.

 

4)Porn doesn't cheat on you.

 

5)The porn women are young and beautiful, and good in bed.

 

6)You don't have to put up with a woman's need to talk, 24/7

 

7)You don't have to worry about something you said to your gf some 2 years ago and she's still bothering you with it.

 

8)You don't have to be one of the many suckers who are dating the woman who was the cushion

 

pillow of the Alpha males when she was in HS or college.

 

9) You aren't going to have to dish your childhood friends to spend time with her.

 

10) You won't have to put up with her bitching as the red rivers appear.

 

11) You don't have to spend almost 2 weeks afraid that your gf finds out that you're watching porn, waiting for her period to go away.

 

12) Your gf won't come to Loveshack to garnish attention and validation for her belief that her bf doesn't love her, or respect her.

 

The list is quite huge, and my hands are hurting, lol.

 

Basically, men ''are'' porn-addicts because porn is far more profitable than real women.

 

I wonder how long it'll take for someone to retort to my logical list with the overplayed theater of ''you hate women, and you were abused by women''.

 

Edited September 5, 2011 by Elysian Powder

[Elysian Powder]

Well, call me naive, but I actually believe in marriage.

 

People only seem capable of learning to avoid x negative activity by being burned by it. I, on the other hand prefer to walk softly as to not cause any problem. That is, I believe that our planet is not the only planet harboring life. But until the day Aliens from space land on my lawn; I'm still a science-fiction avid fan.

and as soon as your wife or husband gets a little pudgy, or you start to realize there are more attractive people out there, that you dump them and go after somebody else.

 

 

Why not? Life's incredibly short. Why should I spent my fleeting life force in the company of a woman who is incapable of turning me on? Have you ever had a tantra orgasm? The sex gurus advocate that experiencing such an orgasm can give to a person massive insight about the purpose of life. Who wouldn't want that to happen? I'm no priest or teenager. I am not obliged by morality or lack of options to lead a life of celibacy.

 

Why should I? The people who are happy with their lot in life had the guts to take what they wanted. My ancestors did not impart such a significance to independence if people were naturally wired to be happy with their situation(s).

 

I sure as hell would never sit tight while watching my partner let herself go(by laziness or disease). Shape up or get out.

 

 

I believe in working on your marriage, keeping the connection alive, and looking for the good qualities in your spouse, rather than their flaws that you start focusing on.

 

 

Doesn't really matter. You can be the Jesus Christ of marriages. You'll be dumped for the pool boy or by the sexy maid. Human beings aren't naturally monogamous. Frankly, marriage and relationships are an affront to mankind. Read the book '' the sperm wars'' to have an idea about the evolution of our mating habits.

 

How many women and men work tirelessly on their relationship? But are cheated on?

 

How many men and women can't see their children? Or are raising the kids of some other guy without knowledge of it?

 

How many guys are in jail for missing one payment of alimony?

 

How many guys were kicked out of their own homes, just to see some guy move in with the ex wife?

 

Prenups are very poor at protecting a person.

 

 

and they'll throw in the towel as soon as something better comes along, or as soon as the spouse isn't their ideal, shouldn't bother to get married.

 

Most people would stay single, then. Human nature can't be stopped. why bother?

 

I'd have to say that's the epitome of selfish narcissistic superficial behavior to decide your wife, who you knew was average to begin with, is now not good enough, so you are entitled and should go after somebody else and dump the first wife.

 

Think of it as a woman who doesn't love her husband anymore. Is it fair for her to stay in a loveless marriage?

 

No? why should a man have sex with a woman he doesn't find attractive? He'd be raping himself, wouldn't he?

 

Do you know what marital rape is?

 

Feeling like you're obliged to having sex with your partner, when you don't want it. Or this is only applicable when it's the woman denying sex to the man?

Are you that shallow?

 

Dunno. Do most women marry after losing their virginity? Do many, many women cheat on their husbands? Leave them?

 

Women have the right to be shallow(''my guy has to be at least 6 feet tall etc''); why can't I be ''shallow''?

 

You act like sex is not possible if your wife is not a hottie.

 

Artificial boners and thinking of other women. How fun it is.

 

so you're advising men to chase after 20 something gold diggers.

 

They're already doing it, but chasing 30-something women. Guys, a divorce is painful. Why get stuck paying to a 30 year old woman for what some other guy had when the women were 20-something gold-diggers/college girls/pary girls?

 

Do you want to be a ''good'' man, or you want to be happy?

 

Well, good luck with that when you're older,

 

 

Good looks maintained by lack of stress, no family to take care of, and a lot of saved up money; More than enough young, attractive women will be interested.

 

 

wanting children

 

 

With the advent of artificial wombs and surrogate mothers; why would I marry? To have children?

 

Ahaha, did you know that most of the inmates you can find in any jail are the children of single mothers?

The women dumped the husband, or he ran away. I don't need a woman in my life to have a kid, nor is a woman necessary for proper upbringing of my child.

 

a wife that will take care of you and care about you.

 

I think the factory that produced the Wendy Darlings has closed. Good luck in finding a woman(or a man) willing to stay with you, let alone take care of you.

 

At the minimum sign of problems, most people will run away. I believed that if you take a look at how much generation is, and you compare it to the life stories of the older men, those who got the 'Dear John' letters, you kinda come to the conclusion that investing in a relationship isn't necessarily going to guarantee a decent life partner.

 

Looking out for numero uno, always.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

I don't believe any sane man would take his hand and a visual image over a real woman.

 

 

Yeah, usually I hear men say that but porn wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar business if that was really true.

 

Maybe it use to be like that. But today it's more that men use porn interchangably with their real life partner. Or just use it in place of a real partner. Or don't have a real partner and use it. It's just vastly over abundent and men use it more then ever have before.

[Elysian Powder]

Yeah, usually I hear men say that but porn wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar business if that was really true.

 

Maybe it use to be like that. But today it's more that men use porn interchangably with their real life partner. Or just use it in place of a real partner. Or don't have a real partner and use it. It's just vastly over abundent and men use it more then ever have before.

 

Before the no fault divorce came up, most guys could find themselves a wife. Since most women didn't have a choice, or wouldn't get money via divorce; most used to put out.

 

That's why porn is growing so much today. Women now have a choice(this is the best time in so many thousands of years to be a cad ) and they'd rather spend some time with an Alpha male, than a ''real'' relationship with a ''real'' man.

 

Men are adapting to the changing sexual dynamics by turning to porn, or becoming bad boys.

 

That, and for all of the reasons I detailed in one of my posts.

 

By the way, porn has always been in most guys lives. Same can be said about the men of long ago. They'd go to brothels, visit isolated prostitutes working on their own; or they'd buy the drawn porn of their times.

 

Curious. We always find an outlet for our sexuality .

 

Man, I LOVE natural selection.

Edited September 5, 2011 by Elysian Powder

[LoveandSuch]

People only seem capable of learning to avoid x negative activity by being burned by it. I, on the other hand prefer to walk softly as to not cause any problem. That is, I believe that our planet is not the only planet harboring life. But until the day Aliens from space land on my lawn; I'm still a science-fiction avid fan.

 

 

 

Why not? Life's incredibly short. Why should I spent my fleeting life force in the company of a woman who is incapable of turning me on? Have you ever had a tantra orgasm? The sex gurus advocate that experiencing such an orgasm can give to a person massive insight about the purpose of life. Who wouldn't want that to happen? I'm no priest or teenager. I am not obliged by morality or lack of options to lead a life of celibacy.

 

Why should I? The people who are happy with their lot in life had the guts to take what they wanted. My ancestors did not impart such a significance to independence if people were naturally wired to be happy with their situation(s).

 

I sure as hell would never sit tight while watching my partner let herself go(by laziness or disease). Shape up or get out.

 

 

 

 

Doesn't really matter. You can be the Jesus Christ of marriages. You'll be dumped for the pool boy or by the sexy maid. Human beings aren't naturally monogamous. Frankly, marriage and relationships are an affront to mankind. Read the book '' the sperm wars'' to have an idea about the evolution of our mating habits.

 

How many women and men work tirelessly on their relationship? But are cheated on?

 

How many men and women can't see their children? Or are raising the kids of some other guy without knowledge of it?

 

How many guys are in jail for missing one payment of alimony?

 

How many guys were kicked out of their own homes, just to see some guy move in with the ex wife?

 

Prenups are very poor at protecting a person.

 

 

 

Most people would stay single, then. Human nature can't be stopped. why bother?

 

 

 

Think of it as a woman who doesn't love her husband anymore. Is it fair for her to stay in a loveless marriage?

 

No? why should a man have sex with a woman he doesn't find attractive? He'd be raping himself, wouldn't he?

 

Do you know what marital rape is?

 

Feeling like you're obliged to having sex with your partner, when you don't want it. Or this is only applicable when it's the woman denying sex to the man?

 

 

Dunno. Do most women marry after losing their virginity? Do many, many women cheat on their husbands? Leave them?

 

Women have the right to be shallow(''my guy has to be at least 6 feet tall etc''); why can't I be ''shallow''?

 

 

 

Artificial boners and thinking of other women. How fun it is.

 

 

 

They're already doing it, but chasing 30-something women. Guys, a divorce is painful. Why get stuck paying to a 30 year old woman for what some other guy had when the women were 20-something gold-diggers/college girls/pary girls?

 

Do you want to be a ''good'' man, or you want to be happy?

 

 

 

 

Good looks maintained by lack of stress, no family to take care of, and a lot of saved up money; More than enough young, attractive women will be interested.

 

 

 

 

 

With the advent of artificial wombs and surrogate mothers; why would I marry? To have children?

 

Ahaha, did you know that most of the inmates you can find in any jail are the children of single mothers?

 

 

 

 

I think the factory that produced the Wendy Darlings has closed. Good luck in finding a woman(or a man) willing to stay with you, let alone take care of you.

 

At the minimum sign of problems, most people will run away. I believed that if you take a look at how much generation is, and you compare it to the life stories of the older men, those who got the 'Dear John' letters, you kinda come to the conclusion that investing in a relationship isn't necessarily going to guarantee a decent life partner.

 

Looking out for numero uno, always.

 

 

Is this really your outlook on life? Yikes! I have to start a few new threads regarding these issues. You really look down on women. I have seen many long term unhappy bitter men who had your same outlook in life.

You always mention age in all your posts....there are just as many unattrative, heavy, out of shape, 20 year olds as there are those in there 30s. It is funny to watch a man in his 50s date a 20 year old just because she is 20, and she is someone who is not even favorable and sought after by men in her own age group, and he thinks he has a catch......loser. Lol.

[Elysian Powder]

Is this really your outlook on life? Yikes! I have to start a few new threads regarding these issues. You really look down on women. I have seen many long term unhappy bitter men who had your same outlook in life.

You always mention age in all your posts....there are just as many unattrative, heavy, out of shape, 20 year olds as there are those in there 30s. It is funny to watch a man in his 50s date a 20 year old just because she is 20, and she is someone who is not even favorable and sought after by men in her own age group, and he thinks he has a catch......loser. Lol.

 

Yeah, sadly I was encouraged as a young teen to spend time with my elders. I did so by helping out at the local Church. You wouldn't believe how many decent men(and women) had their lives ruined by a cheating SO, or by letting those hormones and feelings control them; ie a man going to war to protect the woman he loves.

 

I also spent quite a bit of time with the parents of the young women I was trying to sleep with, and the stories and the situations they told me about sure made me reflect about life.

 

I don't know of one man, married, and not addicted to drink. I don't know of one woman who doesn't prefer to be with her girlfriends.

 

I could go on and on, but I've covered a lot of it. All I'll say is that even if a good person is found, nothing is going to prevent that person from changing and at the same time ruining my life.

 

I know that I'm not going to enter an airplane if the chances of it crashing down are more than 1% in favor of a crash; and if the scientists, researchers, and common sense say that the % of having a satisfactory and fulfilling monogamy relationship, that will last my entire life is almost zero, and that the possibility of ruining my life is extremely high...

 

I'm going to do what my big head tells me to do, like our ancestors did, to prevent becoming a saber tooth's dental floss, and I'm going to take the best course of action.

 

I sure can't wait for men my age and younger to get married. I got couches I can rent, and sitting on the morality hill of 'I told you so' always feel totally awesome!

 

Social shaming, as in, insinuating that a man is bitter, afraid of intimacy, too negative and so forth only work on those who care about what other people think

Edited September 5, 2011 by Elysian Powder

[dasein]

Social shaming, as in, insinuating that a man is bitter, afraid of intimacy, too negative and so forth only work on those who care about what other people think

 

Get used to it here on LS, and that's the right attitude to have about it.

 

Agree with you 100% on marriage, it is dying a very fast death. Saw a stat the other day that if the rate of decline in marriage continues for another 20 years, the entire institution will become socially irrelevant. I wonder what the hetero brand of cultural marxist feminists will think about that when it comes? Did they throw the baby out with the bathwater?

 

IMO, the absolute worst way a young man can screw up his life, worse than incarceration, drugs, gangs, is to get married today. Second worse would be impregnating a woman out of wedlock.

 

Meth/heroin/crime/gangs tied for third. You learned a very valid lesson from your elders about our current cultural/gender situation, never ever forget it.

[KathyM]

Funny thing about that. I have friends who are part of the very top in terms of good-looks, height, muscles etc.

 

Several of those amazingly good-looking guys had to resort to having sex with women who were average-looking or below, because there was no good-looking woman around, or because it's far easier to bang a woman who is average, when you are some good notches above her in terms of looks, than it is, to attract a woman as good-looking as an attractive man(those require conversation etc).

 

Well, despite the enormous difference in looks, my Alpha male friends are belittled by their girlfriends/FWBs or are sexually deprived.

 

Seriously.

 

It really comes down to many, many young men, looking around, finding with their eyes women who are putting out for the Alpha males, or simply pulling up the price(emotional investment, time, effort, and money) to access their vaginae to the degree of it being just too high; they remember porn ''saving'' their lives as teenagers...

 

And take the path of the least effort and more immediate pleasure.

 

Only a handful of males are born with all of the necessary tools to attract women. You can have a man who is tall, but lacking muscular definition.

 

A man who is short, but buffed like a gorilla. You can be considered attractive by some, but not by all. It doesn't seem to be of any importance... life has a thing to say.

 

These guys realize that guys more attractive than them can and do struggle with women. What's the point of trying if you can't win the game?

 

That's why they are using porn as much as they do, replacing a real woman with Pamela Anderson.

 

Lets say that a man wants to be successful with women. He must become a better version of himself. He might decide to work on his mind. Years of study, thousands and thousands spent on education. Debt lasting for decades.

 

Or.. He decides to sculpt his body.

 

All of this can be very tiring. The expensive clothing. Being rejected most of the time when you start you journey. The almost obsessive attention you have to pay to your diet.

 

The car you'll have to buy if you want to be taken serious(sorry, but traveling on the bus with a woman stop working at age 16);

 

the car insurance, the price of gasoline always on the rise.

 

The condoms - a good quality condom is expensive - being sold in diminutive quantities to sell more; the condom not providing enough protection; the condom breaking and oops, 18 years of child-support.

 

The reality of how so many women are fickle and granted, in this current technological heaven for women, all a female gotta do is turn on the facebook to bathe in male attention.

 

How a woman can cheat on a guy, or dump him for his best friend. How maybe she's pregnant and doesn't want the kid.

 

This is turning into a bible. I'm gonna shorten it up.

 

 

A huge percentage of young men are turning their back to women and submerging themselves in porn because:

 

1)Porn doesn't get pregnant.

 

2)Porn doesn't give diseases to the guy.

 

3)porn doesn't trap the guy in 18 years of child-support.

 

4)Porn doesn't cheat on you.

 

5)The porn women are young and beautiful, and good in bed.

 

6)You don't have to put up with a woman's need to talk, 24/7

 

7)You don't have to worry about something you said to your gf some 2 years ago and she's still bothering you with it.

 

8)You don't have to be one of the many suckers who are dating the woman who was the cushion

 

pillow of the Alpha males when she was in HS or college.

 

9) You aren't going to have to dish your childhood friends to spend time with her.

 

10) You won't have to put up with her bitching as the red rivers appear.

 

11) You don't have to spend almost 2 weeks afraid that your gf finds out that you're watching porn, waiting for her period to go away.

 

12) Your gf won't come to Loveshack to garnish attention and validation for her belief that her bf doesn't love her, or respect her.

 

The list is quite huge, and my hands are hurting, lol.

 

Basically, men ''are'' porn-addicts because porn is far more profitable than real women.

 

I wonder how long it'll take for someone to retort to my logical list with the overplayed theater of ''you hate women, and you were abused by women''.

 

I had to laugh at the part that I bolded in your diatrabe. Porn women are young, beautiful and good in bed? Well, ya, but the thing is, they are banging other guys, not you. You can't touch them, can't kiss them, can't do anything with them at all. You are stimulating yourself. Touching yourself. They don't know you exist. Not very fulfilling. Just a picture on a screen. Most men do actually want and need a relationship with a woman in order to feel fulfilled. And not just physically fulfilled. They need emotional fulfillment. They need interaction with a woman. You're not going to get that from an image on a screen. Sure women and relationships take work, take up some of your time, some of your money, and they can be frustrating at times. With the right person, they can also be the most enjoyable thing you will ever experience in life. That partner is there to help you, support you, care for you, love you, and be your companion. No image on a screen is going to give you anything but empty, temporary, release that you've actually done to yourself. Pretty unfulfilling, for sure.

[Elysian Powder]

I had to laugh at the part that I bolded in your diatrabe.

 

Thanks mate, I appreciate that. My diatribe must have hit a point, for laughter to be used in part to counter-argue my post.

Porn women are young, beautiful and good in bed? Well, ya, but the thing is, they are banging other guys, not you.

 

Here's the thing. By working out those irons, if you apply yourself to build a good body; you can look like one of those guys from the 300 movie.

 

It's a rather heavy thing to face, a complete transformation of your body. But it is feasible. And the rewards are endless.

 

I mentioned the women in porn for how good they are, and how young and skillful they are because, as porn shows, many, many men would rather have an imaginary sex kitten than a real woman.

 

With a lot of work they could have the real thing. But..

 

Why are so many young men choosing to watch porn? rather than at least going after women? I don't even hear of that many guys using the services of prostitutes.

 

I have no doubt in my mind that sex is highly pleasurable(and if bang 20 year olds, oh my), but matter of fact... women in colleges claim that they can't find a partner.

 

Dozens and dozens of articles show up asking where all the good men went to?

 

Well, it 's like this. Bill Gates is rich beyond belief. The men who are retreating from the dating scene used their brain to think and reached a conclusion - that is logical and profitable for them - porn is a safer bet.

 

Again, I'm not saying that sex is not better than porn. Porn satisfies the visual needs of men, permits the ''presence'' of very different and very beautiful women, and doesn't require any effort.

 

I know that I'm going to probably now read that men are lazy and such, so I'll clarify this again.

 

Man A has access to easy sex; he prefers women.

 

 

Man B struggles for female attention, thinks it over and moves on to porn.

 

I'm not going over the same points over and over. This is enough.

 

They don't know you exist. Not very fulfilling. Just a picture on a screen.

 

You're seriously telling me that I don't find porn to be fulfilling? Men and women are differently. I see nothing in romance novels, yet female writers make billions on that pink paper. I'm not saying that it ain't enjoyable for your sex; why you tell me that porn is not good enough.

 

Most men do actually want and need a relationship with a woman in order to feel fulfilled. And not just physically fulfilled. They need emotional

fulfillment.

 

Not really. Men need sexual relief. If people needed relationships, don't you think the undesirable or the old would kill themselves?

 

Individual sexuality is a desire, not a need. Are you mentioning the young men from age 13-40? They don't care that much about relationships. They do take part in them because they want to have sex. I've never heard of a man with a working penis staying in a relationship if the woman isn't putting out.

 

Young women put out so fast because there are many more women who know this and will give up to the guy what he wants.

 

Observe how quickly a man with options or not entwined in a need to please a woman reacts when he's around willing, attractive women. His first thought ain't related to love, I can tell you that.

 

They need emotional fulfillment.

 

Have you ever had a fulfilling friendship? I know of many very attractive males taking that emotional fulfillment from having friends, therefore not adding complication to their interactions with women.

 

And men - young men - who don't bother with women, not even friendship, have a sex drive, but figured out that porn outweighs the benefits on interaction with women.

 

Hey, who am I to contradict them?

 

Sure women and relationships take work, take up some of your time, some of your money, and they can be frustrating at times.

 

Most relationships don't reach the lifespan of 2 years. Hence why a 2 year relationship is considered long-term. I think that people aren't entering their relationships without knowing that it's going to take work for it to work.

 

Maybe when they were teens. But I've never seen a couple break off at the first discussion. These guys and gals work a lot for the relationship to work, but still it fails. Do people need to receive an email from mother nature to realize that we ain't a monogamous species?

take up some of your time, some of your money,

 

Ahaha, that was nice of you, but no. Due to my friends, interests, and love for money, I have met many men older than me by a small margin, or much older; all in long-term relationships/marriage/living together.

 

All of them with no exception complained of the vast amounts of money a relationship requires, and man, if it's marriage or living together, not only does the guy spend a buck load of money daily; those alimony checks and child-support will break your back.

 

The guys I met, only one was a gold-digger. The rest of them were average women. They had everything in common, great friendship, all that is good was present.

 

But it failed. Sadly the law states that if a man comes close to a woman's privates(figuratively speaking) ; she's entitled to his money and possessions.

 

I'm a young man without a career and I have much more money than most married men! So much for financial security in a marriage.

 

Taking aside the money issue; a woman can deny me sex for how long as she wants. That is her right. But if I sleep with another woman society brands me as garbage and I lose everything.

 

If I'm the best husband in the world, and she loves me;she can still ruin my life because she 'had to find myself''

 

The porn movement and the lack of interest so many males are displaying for marriage has nothing to do with an addiction to porn or a fear of intimacy.

 

We simply learn by talking to our elders or by seeing what happens within a marriage and we don't want anything to do with it.

With the right person, they can also be the most enjoyable thing you will ever experience in life.

 

You're saying that becoming an astronaut, founding a civilization, making science progress, helping out people with massve acts of kindness and much more; can't be compared to making a woman happy?

 

Do you honestly believe that taking the Cinderella story as it was a real story is going to make men feel like their on top of the world?

 

I'm sorry. You're projecting your wants and the object for your relationship onto the male sex.

 

I'm a man. I descend from the hunters who made sabertooth's cry.

 

I'm a man. My ancestors took up sinkable ships and crossed oceans, for the adventure, preferring to leave their wives behind.

 

I'm a man. I descend from the men who fought and conquered our freedom.

 

I'm a man. I wrote books on love which will echo forever.

 

I'm a man. I took my vows, as a priest, shunning women.

 

I'm a man. I could have lay low and minded my business, but I took it to myself to conquer and build empires.

 

These above, and much more, are the real accomplishments, and the greatest joy a man can ever experience.

 

The male who'd rather place his bet on ''love''' is indeed courageous, but foolish, and his place in History will be that of a Casanova - if he's good enough with women.

 

That partner is there to help you, support you, care for you, love you, and be your companion.

 

In theory, only. How many people study and worked hard to get a good education and now can't find a job?

 

I thought that the promises made, by someone in a position of power, was a guarantee 100%.

 

Yeah, summon how human nature is fickle. Take a hold of how many options are out there. Why would people stay loyal? This ain't the 12th century.

No image on a screen is going to give you anything but empty, temporary, release that you've actually done to yourself. Pretty unfulfilling, for sure.

 

For you, maybe, but not for the men who live in the real world.

 

Did you know that porn is evolving? The Japanese are working ever so hard on virtual sex, robotic women, and on other things?

 

Kinda amusing when you think about it. One of the most productive people this world has seen, concluding that relationships aren't worth it.

 

You'll find this interesting;

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2220535/

 

An extremely masculine people, no less.

 

Thanks for coming by and corroborating what I already suspected and now know for sure .

 

Lastly, because I spent much of my time with older men, I'm told they'll never marry again or bother with dating.

 

I learn from my elders

Edited September 5, 2011 by Elysian Powder