Keeping vs Removing Breast Implants

[Professor X]

Yes.... yes... let's focus shall we!! Or I will be forced to start talking about my arse again, and Mr. Nate promised he wouldn't be so nice next time.

 

Seriously... what is your opinion on the original question, Prof??

 

b) If you don't care either way (if a woman has implants or not), would you prefer a woman kept them or removed them?

 

If I'd prefer she kept them or removed, assuming I had a saying in the matter and she wouldn't mind either, I'd say that the decision should be made out of aesthetics reasons, i.e. if she were to remove her implants her breasts would become shaggy to the extreme - than I'd prefer she wouldn't.

If they don't than I'd rather have it natural.

 

P.S. By all means, talk about your arse rumors say it's great!

[somedude81]

Oh you boys you!! I think that all this attention is cute. I think we need physical descriptions of the men!!!

I'm a man, I don't have boobs.

 

They got to be fun to play with.

 

Yes.... yes... let's focus shall we!! Or I will be forced to start talking about my arse again, and Mr. Nate promised he wouldn't be so nice next time.

 

Seriously... what is your opinion on the original question, Prof??

As for the original question, it really depends on how they look with implants and how small the woman is without them.

 

If she's smaller than a B without them, then I'd prefer she keep them in.

 

If it wasn't obvious, I'm a total breast man and I love big (real) ones. When Danielle said that she's 32DD, it instantly peaked my interest.

 

But for implants, if the woman tries to get to a big size they usually just end up looking bad. I'd take a guess that, implants are only OK up until a D then anything over is too much. Though for real boobs, my limit is probably a G cup, of course she has to be thinish.

[Professor X]

(poke, poke)

 

Answer the original question, please Or take it off thread

 

Relax I was typing my answer as you were typing this

[xoxoDaniellexoxo]

Relax I was typing my answer as you were typing this

 

Haha we need descriptions of men come on boys we all know AmericanLife has a great ass I have boobs, somedude still gets the size wrong, we working with six packs pecs, like Ryan Renolds?? Please say yes :-)

[Disenchantedly Yours]

grkBoy

I would honestly tell women all over that they need to work really hard at ignoring the images media constantly throws at them. If you look at most men out there, they aren't holding to such shallow standards as the media makes men out to be.

 

You can look at six guys oogling a model on the cover of a magazine, but it doesn't mean they will ignore all "average Janes" who come along. For us, it's just that...oogling. A temporary moment of fantasy where they imaging that girl mostly as a sexual partner. They don't think about her as a girlfriend, wife, companion, etc. You take an average Jane and do her hair/makeup, put on some sexy lingerie...and the same six guys will oogle her the way they did the model.

 

What's the point? The point is men are not as shallow as the media makes women believe. There are SOME men who are very shallow and want the perfect looking woman, but they are a tiny sliver of the total populace. The only things I've seen most guys lament on, meaning a physical turnoff in women, is obesity and when women chop their hair off into a "guy cut".

 

Grkboy, why would you only tell women to, "they need to work really hard at ignoring the images media constantly throws at them."? Why wouldn't you also tell men to work really hard at ignoring the images the media constantly throws at them about women's bodies? Do you think it's an easy world for women to live in when they are told to ignore the messages the media sends us about ourselves but that men should go right ahead and enjoy those same exact images? You do see how that doesn't breed a healthier outlook on women and their bodies don't you?

 

This is what gets me. I got to fight the media for upholding images about how I should look as a woman to be pretty. And I do my best that I can to fight that. I refuse to get implants or a nose job even though fleeting thoughts of these went through my head upon seeing another scantily clad dressed Kim Kadashian flash on the tv. I have my moments of self pity and dislike for certain body parts. But it's not fair to every woman on the face of this earth to tell them *they* need to be the strong ones and ignore the messages while our boyfriends and husbands buy into the exact media message themselves. It's not fair to say that men can buy into these messages because it's "fantasy" but women need to be the strong ones.

 

Real women don't want to be the "average janes" you settle for while you fantasize about super hot photoshopped girls. Real women want to be their man's fantasy. Oggle away but that oggling is sending a HUGE message to women about what standards you place on them vs what you really want to see women look like.

 

You say men aren't as shallow as the media portrayed. But it's not the media only portraying men as shallow if men are oggling and fantasizing about all kinds of women in the media while turning to their girlfriends and telling them to be the "strong" ones and fight the exact message men are buying into. And I don't men buying into in teh context that men don't know it's not real. Every knows it's not real. But it doesn't stop men from being attracted to the not real images and it doesn't stop men from describing these women as "fantasy" and real women as "average Janes".

 

I understand you think you're helping women by giving that kind of advice. But all you are really doing is continuing more disconnect between the genders and asking women to pick up for the slack that you don't expect of men. For lack of a better word, that's just so crappy. It's crappy to defend men indulging in the media you are telling women to fight against.

[Professor X]

Haha we need descriptions of men come on boys we all know AmericanLife has a great ass I have boobs, somedude still gets the size wrong, we working with six packs pecs, like Ryan Renolds?? Please say yes :-)

 

You can see my picture in my profile if you're curious, no need to guess though I have longer hair now.

[ThsAmericanLife]

Breast size has never really been important to me.

 

That being said, however, do whatever is good for your health. If that is getting the implants removed, then so be it.

 

Good to know... sometimes people take their health for granted until they get older... so I'm glad they are both thinking about it now with more seriousness.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

Stupid thing won't let me edit my post and I typed it out too quick and had a few mistakes.

 

Insert these last two paragraphs in the end of my other post.

 

You say men aren't as shallow as the media portrayed. But it's not only the media portraying men as shallow if men are oggling and fantasizing about all kinds of women in the media while turning to their girlfriends and telling them to be the "strong" ones and fight the exact message men are buying into. It's men themselves that are being shallow about women.We all know these images aren't real. But it doesn't stop men from being attracted to the not real images and it doesn't stop men from describing these women as "fantasy" and real women as "average Janes".

 

I understand you think you're helping women by giving that kind of advice. But all you are really doing is continuing more disconnect between the genders and asking women to pick up for the slack that you don't expect of men. For lack of a better word, that's just so crappy. It's crappy to defend men indulging in the media you are telling women to fight against it. I understand you think your being pro-woman here but you really aren't. You're just being pro-male fantasy.

[ThsAmericanLife]

I'm a man, I don't have boobs.

 

They got to be fun to play with.

 

 

As for the original question, it really depends on how they look with implants and how small the woman is without them.

 

If she's smaller than a B without them, then I'd prefer she keep them in.

 

If it wasn't obvious, I'm a total breast man and I love big (real) ones. When Danielle said that she's 32DD, it instantly peaked my interest.

 

But for implants, if the woman tries to get to a big size they usually just end up looking bad. I'd take a guess that, implants are only OK up until a D then anything over is too much. Though for real boobs, my limit is probably a G cup, of course she has to be thinish.

 

Ah... a vote in the 'maybe' keep them camp.

 

Thank you very much for providing some size ranges. I believe my girlfriend was an A or small B before implants, then went up to a small C. She is pretty petite. 5'-2" or something.

 

My sister had a B cup, but went to a C+/D. She is 5'-7", so it suits her.

 

They both look very good with implants, but I'm not a guy.

[grkBoy]

Kind of going back to the other thread talking about "The Myth of the Right Person"... isn't there a teensy-weensy part of you that is bummed your wife/girlfriend doesn't look like that?

 

Actually no. Here's why.

 

I used to pursue the "hot women". I wanted a slender brunette with long hair, nice chest, body, face...but then I made the mistake many women make when they chase "bad boys". I HOPED she'll also be kind, sweet, smart, and down-to-Earth.

 

Right now, a handful of men in my old social circles are irked about what they see as the "lack of decent women" out there, but they're asking for the impossible. They want the 8, 9, or 10 who went to college, has a career, isn't shallow or holding the bar too high, and yet somehow remains looking like an 8, 9, or 10 all the time...AND...she's somehow not married off already.

 

Is it any wonder why those guys are still single? Some of them even are good looking men with successful careers...but they're wanting a woman who doesn't exist. There are hot women who have brains/careers and aren't shallow b*tches...but guess what? THEY ARE MARRIED OFF!

 

Coming back to me, would I love to wake up one day and my fiance is magically transformed into the perfect looking woman? No. WHY? Because she's perfect to me right now. I'm not in love with a pair of tits or a head of hair or a face, ass, legs, etc...I'm in love with everything about her.

 

She (in my opinion) is a physically beautiful woman, but she also cared for me when I was sick, tried to make a happy birthday for me when we first met...even though I had not really taken my own bday seriously. She paid to repair the car we both use, as opposed to assuming it should be my role. She listens to me when I am irked about my work day, rather than dismiss it or telling me to "man up". She doens't sit there lamenting on exes or wondering inside if she can do better. She's not all "me me me me me me" the way other women I've encountered are.

 

The "right person" in my book isn't what one sees with their eyes, but what one sees with their minds and hearts. We're all going to get old, wrinkled, gray, etc. I'd rather have her at my side than some woman who is obsessed with "getting work done" or acting like a spoiled brat in her 50s.

 

I used to meet hot women and HOPE they would be the good girl, but found out they were nothing even close to it. Now I see those women and they just look ugly to me. Honest.

 

Is it possible, even for a second, that looking at those images (depending on frequency) leads some men to believe or expect women to adhere to them? There are at least 2-3 posters here who seem to believe it does.

 

Some do. I told of a girl who's ex was addicted to porn, and loved my friend because she usually dressed in miniskirts with heels, makeup, hair all done, etc. When they moved in and he saw her now more in PJs or sweats, no makeup, hair a mess...he lost all attraction to her.

 

Frankly, the way I speak of guys rejecting women who hold the bar too high, you women have to do the same. So you meet Mr Handsome who gives you hell because you're not 2% body fat or your boobs aren't big enough. DUMP HIM. Don't work to keep that. He's got to love you all the way...when you're dolled up and when you're slobbing it up at home.

 

The ONLY thing I've ever told people is not to drastically change yourself once you're in a RL. I'm talking about men and women who let themselves go, and then wonder why their SO dumps them. It's one thing to get gray and a little wrinkled...it's another when you gain 200 lbs and dress like a slob all the time.

 

I still believe that when there are enough of these images around, it skews the impression of what is 'normal'... either consciously or unconsciously. If all we had to go on was the people we saw around us in our day-to-day world, alot of these insecurities wouldn't exist.

 

I agree...but in all honesty this is what I do.

 

I don't look at pictures in magazines and wonder why women don't look that good. I just accept they are fake and look at the actual women around me.

 

Loads of beautiful people out there with all their imperfections. The trick is to turn off the media and look at the world. Even when I doctor up photos for people, I try to make them look like what I saw with my eyes, not what I think people want to see.

[xoxoDaniellexoxo]

Good to know... sometimes people take their health for granted until they get older... so I'm glad they are both thinking about it now with more seriousness.

 

The only problem I've ever heard of with saline is a woman popped hers on her bike and one deflated so she had to get a replacement.

[ThsAmericanLife]

Real women don't want to be the "average janes" you settle for while you fantasize about super hot photoshopped girls. Real women want to be their man's fantasy. Oggle away but that oggling is sending a HUGE message to women about what standards you place on them vs what you really want to see women look like.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

My bigger concern is that these super outlier women are then considered 'normal' due to the shear VOLUME of these images, and every other woman who doesn't look like that (the actual 'normal' ones) are then considered below-average... by default.

 

Then these guys come here and whine incessently about why they are so bummed about having to 'settle' for an 'average' girl... or pressuring women to modify themselves to a porn/fashion mag image. When an average girl (to their description) might in other pre-media days be well above 'average'.

 

Mr. Porn Happy (you know who he is...) demonstrates that tendency quite well.

[ThsAmericanLife]

The only problem I've ever heard of with saline is a woman popped hers on her bike and one deflated so she had to get a replacement.

 

Ok, I can't help it... she got more than a flat tire on THAT ride. That must have sucked. I hope her insurance covered it...

[somedude81]

Haha we need descriptions of men come on boys we all know AmericanLife has a great ass I have boobs, somedude still gets the size wrong, we working with six packs pecs, like Ryan Renolds?? Please say yes :-)

Danielle, a six pack on a man is like big boobs on a woman. Both are dependent on genetics and are rare.

 

Now imagine that you had to maintain a strict diet and extensively work out to get your breasts to your current size, and if you changed your diet they would shrink. None of this, just having good genes and they grow.

 

Same thing can be pretty much said for any men that are lean but muscular. It's a very hard balance to pull off if the guy even has the genes that allow it.

 

ThsAmericanLife,

 

OK, in both situations I'd prefer that the women keep their implants.

[thatone]

 

Kind of going back to the other thread talking about "The Myth of the Right Person"... isn't there a teensy-weensy part of you that is bummed your wife/girlfriend doesn't look like that?

 

for me, honestly, not really.

 

me and my gf are both 'people watchers'. we look, we actively seek out restaurants with sidewalk style outside seating even, so we can both watch people go by. do i look at the 6 foot tall 20-22 year olds with jeans or skirts that look like they're painted on? sure. and she looks at the male joggers and cyclists in their spandex wife beaters going by too. but alas, we're both 'average' looking people who can't stand shallow but beautiful people due to the intellect gap, so we're stuck with each other .

 

Is it possible, even for a second, that looking at those images (depending on frequency) leads some men to believe or expect women to adhere to them? There are at least 2-3 posters here who seem to believe it does.

 

those men are often the 20 something year old virgins, if you cross reference their posts. they have been conditioned by mix of porn and angst to expect perfection and they wear it like a crutch to explain their failures away.

 

The models in these magazines truly are freaks of nature. Who knows... maybe something like 0.001% of the population looks like that (thats my SWAG...don't quote me on it!). Think about it. Even with all the extra help they get from technology, they are so far outside the realm of 'normal' it isn't even funny.

 

I still believe that when there are enough of these images around, it skews the impression of what is 'normal'... either consciously or unconsciously. If all we had to go on was the people we saw around us in our day-to-day world, alot of these insecurities wouldn't exist.

 

grkBoy is right, you would be surprised at what men find attractive if you could walk around in a man's brain for a day. women are harder on themselves than men are on women.

[somedude81]

BTW Danielle, I'd trade you a pick of me for a pick of you. Feel free to choose the amount of clothes you're wearing

[xoxoDaniellexoxo]

Danielle, a six pack on a man is like big boobs on a woman. Both are dependent on genetics and are rare.

 

Now imagine that you had to maintain a strict diet and extensively work out to get your breasts to your current size, and if you changed your diet they would shrink. None of this, just having good genes and they grow.

 

Same thing can be pretty much said for any men that are lean but muscular. It's a very hard balance to pull off if the guy even has the genes that allow it.

 

ThsAmericanLife,

 

OK, in both situations I'd prefer that the women keep their implants.

Know I am sad :-( lol jk I know how hard it is to maintain I have always had a slower metabolism so I have to eat super healthy and work out all the time. I do feel some pressure from the media like most people have mentioned but I also live in the real world where it's impossible for me to workout seven hours a day and avoid chocolate. As long as guys don't complain if I don't have a hard flat six pack I won't care about there's lol.

[ThsAmericanLife]

There are hot women who have brains/careers and aren't shallow b*tches...but guess what? THEY ARE MARRIED OFF!

 

Not me!! Got phone numbers of your successful friends?? (just kidding!).

 

Frankly, the way I speak of guys rejecting women who hold the bar too high, you women have to do the same. So you meet Mr Handsome who gives you hell because you're not 2% body fat or your boobs aren't big enough. DUMP HIM. Don't work to keep that. He's got to love you all the way...when you're dolled up and when you're slobbing it up at home.

 

Your fiancee sounds like a very nice person! I'm really happy for you!

 

It has been a very, very long time since I dated someone who said anything negative about my body. 20 years or so. I'm probably doing a very good job filtering out the ones who are looks obsessed.

 

I filter for character these days. Practically exclusively.

 

yes, they need to have a certain level of physical fitness, but that is more more a lifestyle thing than a looks thing. My energy level is way over the top (kinda like a Border Collie that way), if he is more like a Basset Hound and likes to sleep all day or lounge on the couch, it won't work because we will probably rarely see each other.

[ThsAmericanLife]

those men are often the 20 something year old virgins, if you cross reference their posts. they have been conditioned by mix of porn and angst to expect perfection and they wear it like a crutch to explain their failures away.

 

Very good observation.

 

 

grkBoy is right, you would be surprised at what men find attractive if you could walk around in a man's brain for a day.

 

this reminds me of a joke...

 

A woman is walking around in the mind of a man... yelling...

 

"Is anyone home?!" (nothing)

 

"Helloooo! Is anyone home?!!!!"

 

She hears a tiny, tiny voice off in the distance...

 

"I'm down HERE!!"

 

But seriously... I appreciate the encouragement... Every once in awhile, those yucky messages from childhood seep in (don't they with everyone?!) and I have my weak moments.

 

I'm also a bit of an overachiever, in case you didn't notice. We tend to expect perfection in ourselves. Maybe are pretty hard on others too.

[Professor X]

Very good observation.

 

 

 

 

this reminds me of a joke...

 

A woman is walking around in the mind of a man... yelling...

 

"Is anyone home?!" (nothing)

 

"Helloooo! Is anyone home?!!!!"

 

She hears a tiny, tiny voice off in the distance...

 

"I'm down HERE!!"

 

But seriously... I appreciate the encouragement... Every once in awhile, those yucky messages from childhood seep in (don't they with everyone?!) and I have my weak moments.

 

I'm also a bit of an overachiever, in case you didn't notice. We tend to expect perfection in ourselves. Maybe are pretty hard on others too.

How men think:

 

A man and a woman are about to have sex with one another for the first time (not virgins).

The man gets naked and sits on the bed. The woman starts taking her cloths off and as she does that she thinks to herself:

"Am I fat?" "How do I look from his angle?" "Is it my good side?" "Does he like my boobs?" "Can he see my rolls?" "Does HE think I'm fat??" "Did I put enough makeup??" etc etc

 

The man thinks:

OMG BOOBS!!

[xoxoDaniellexoxo]

Ok, I can't help it... she got more than a flat tire on THAT ride. That must have sucked. I hope her insurance covered it...

HAHA!! Good one!! I have no idea if they would cover, boob delfation lol. And somedude I am flattered

[xoxoDaniellexoxo]

How men think:

 

A man and a woman are about to have sex with one another for the first time (not virgins).

The man gets naked and sits on the bed. The woman starts taking her cloths off and as she does that she thinks to herself:

"Am I fat?" "How do I look from his angle?" "Is it my good side?" "Does he like my boobs?" "Can he see my rolls?" "Does HE think I'm fat??" "Did I put enough makeup??" etc etc

 

The man thinks:

OMG BOOBS!!

 

I am hijacking this thread but what are guys thoughts on makeup??

[carhill]

I am hijacking this thread but what are guys thoughts on makeup??

Less is more.

[Star Gazer]

http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/ProductsandMedicalProcedures/ImplantsandProsthetics/BreastImplants/ucm259296.htm

 

Here is a nice set of implants and after pics.

 

I wish more women would consider the fact that implants have a very high chance of rupture the longer they have them.

 

There was a study of 907 women in Birmingham AL conducted who had had silicone implants for at least 6 years. The first round found that 303 of the 907 had an additional surgery on at least one implant in 11.5 years on average.

 

The second round looked only at 344 women of the remaining 604 participants. They underwent an MRI to see if their implants had ruptured.

 

48% of the women with implants ranging from 6-10 years old had at least one ruptured or leaking implant - and they had NO idea previously.

 

79% of women with implants that were 11-15 years old had at least one ruptured or leaking implant.

 

21% of the women participating in the MRI section of the study had migratory silicone.

 

Limitations of the study: The 907 women were recruited from plastic surgeons who agreed to participate, and typically these would be the surgeons who were most confident in their abilities, so the women were likely to be more pleased with their implants than the a similar group with less-skilled surgeons. The study did not involve saline, although the outer shells for saline and silicone are the same material and should theoretically have the same risk of rupture; saline rupture is almost always immediately noticeable, so women do not live with leakage for years.

 

The FDA recommends silicone patients to have MRIs every 2 years, starting at year 3 post-op.

 

http://www.breastimplantinfo.org/what_know/bi-mammo.html

 

The above is a good link about mammograms and implants.

 

All of your research is only about silicone. I have saline and have had absolutely no problems with them, including obtaining mammos.

 

I was on a forum (that was honestly as popular as LS in terms of membership) about breast augmentation (in all its forms) for 3 years before I got them (in 2005), and for about 3 years afterwards, and in those 6 years, I only read ONE story about leaking or rupture, from a woman whose implant was punctured during a biopsy.

 

This is not to say that I'm not constantly aware of whether my boobs are still the same size ... But honestly, I think you'll be HARD PRESSED to find a woman who went in for surgery thinking they'd last FOREVER and need no surgery at some point in the future.

 

That said, my mentor is 50 and has had hers for 25 years...

 

Implants last longer than dental bridges in most cases.

[Nexus One]

I was on a forum (that was honestly as popular as LS in terms of membership) about breast augmentation (in all its forms) for 3 years before I got them (in 2005), and for about 3 years afterwards

 

Sounds like it was a well informed decision on your part SG.

 

What was your reason to do it if I may ask, was it only the size of your breasts you weren't content about?

Edited September 4, 2011 by Nexus One