What Kind of Undies Do Women Really Prefer on Men?

[EnigmaticClarity]

Sorry if this is mean, but nothing would distract me from his figure. It's blatantly unhealthy. I don't want a guy who looks like he spends every day at the gym either (I'm actually against TOO much work on your body), but he'd still look vastly overweight in boxers. Even clothes couldn't hide his figure. . . that gut is quite large.

 

Definitely true, but some people don't mind extra weight. But if you're obese and you wear tight briefs or boxer-briefs, it's like jamming a mackeral into a sardine can--it just calls a ton more attention to your size.

 

It'd be like wearing a bikini bottom or a slim-fit shirt at that same size--it's better to not do that, loose-fitting clothes are the way to go to call less attention to your size.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

What'd he wear?

 

If you're overweight, loose boxers are your best bet.

 

He had boxer briefs sometimes.

 

 

Zengirl, nonsense that people over seas are "healthier". They don't have the same exact over-eating issues we do but they aren't "healthier". They drink and smoke and sometimes start drinking and smoking at very early ages.

 

But I think it's fine to want someone healtier. I just think it's a misconception that people over seas are "healthier"..the grass is not greener.

[zengirl]

He had boxer briefs sometimes.

 

 

Zengirl, nonsense that people over seas are "healthier". They don't have the same exact over-eating issues we do but they aren't "healthier". They drink and smoke and sometimes start drinking and smoking at very early ages.

 

But I think it's fine to want someone healtier. I just think it's a misconception that people over seas are "healthier"..the grass is not greener.

 

Depends where. I'd say they're quite healthy in Japan overall. They do drink a bit, but not much more than what I'd see here. Sleep deprivation is a bigger issue. Smoking has been cut down A LOT in recent years and is no more prevalent than here.

 

In Korea, the men do smoke a lot (though few under 30 do), and that's not entirely healthy. (Korean women who smoke mostly do it in secret; I don't know the numbers.) And old men (the ones who probably aren't healthy anyway because they grew up when the country didn't have food!) do drink a lot, and sometimes force the younger men to drink a lot in corporate settings. They rarely drink much at home, though, and they eat much better. And honestly alcohol isn't nearly as bad for you as half the stuff in our food.

 

American food is less healthy. Not only do many Americans make bad choices, but it's actually DIFFICULT to make good choices here. Not to mention our portions are preposterous.

 

And they walk places! In almost every other country I've lived in, everybody walks a lot more. It really depends on the country, though. In the places in Europe and Asia, I've lived, they're much healthier. Not sure about South America; there it's a bit rougher in some ways. I find the food and portions healthier though. Definitely they're healthier overall in Korea and Japan in MY generation than we are here, and those are the countries I've lived in most extensively. Some of the older generations smoke a bit more than we do, but now that the health risks are known worldwide, smoking is being greatly reduced there as well.

 

At any rate, I've actually lived there and shared their habits, so I feel pretty confident in my assessments.

[Queen Zenobia]

And honestly alcohol isn't nearly as bad for you as half the stuff in our food.

 

American food is less healthy. Not only do many Americans make bad choices, but it's actually DIFFICULT to make good choices here. Not to mention our portions are preposterous.

 

 

It's definitely what's in our food rather than how much. I rarely see a whole lot of people absolutely gorging on food. And the "what" is caused by our rather idiotic decision to subsidize corn production in this country.

[zengirl]

It's definitely what's in our food rather than how much. I rarely see a whole lot of people absolutely gorging on food. And the "what" is caused by our rather idiotic decision to subsidize corn production in this country.

 

What's in it is a huge thing, but go to a restaurant here and just look at the portion size (normal, chain restaurants; I eat at a lot of local, organic greenie places with reasonable portion sizes, but not those). Granted, the people I know don't eat it all, but many do! It's WAY too much. You almost never see portion sizes like that on single meals in Japan or Korea. (If you do, it's usually at a "Western style" restaurant.)

 

The portion size at a place like, say a Chili's is at least two meals per meal. Even McDonalds in Korea and Japan, which they have, gives smaller portions there. And a lot of people choose veggies over fries, just naturally.

 

But what's in it bums me out more because people can choose to portion-control. They can't choose to re-arrange the chemicals of their food. And yes, corn is a BIG problem. Not the only one. We use hormones and such that are terrible as well. But a big one.

[EnigmaticClarity]

It's definitely what's in our food rather than how much. I rarely see a whole lot of people absolutely gorging on food. And the "what" is caused by our rather idiotic decision to subsidize corn production in this country.

 

I see most people "gorging" every single time I go to a restaurant, and by gorging, I mean they eat all or the majority of what they're given. I rarely ever see any restaurant give portions that are small enough to not make people get fat; they give you 50% to 400% more food than you should be eating to maintain a 1600 to 2400 calorie daily diet depending upon your size.

[EnigmaticClarity]

The portion size at a place like, say a Chili's is at least two meals per meal. Even McDonalds in Korea and Japan, which they have, gives smaller portions there. And a lot of people choose veggies over fries, just naturally.

 

You could fill in ANY national franchise in place of Chili's and the same applies--Applebee's, Olive Garden, Outback, etc etc etc. If you're not taking half of your restaurant food to home in a to-go box, you're either gorging yourself or overpaying like mad for what you should actually be eating.

 

Italian restaurants are the worst I've noticed--every one gives you 2x to 4x as much as you should eat.

[zengirl]

You could fill in ANY national franchise in place of Chili's and the same applies--Applebee's, Olive Garden, Outback, etc etc etc. If you're not taking half of your restaurant food to home in a to-go box, you're either gorging yourself or overpaying like mad for what you should actually be eating.

 

Italian restaurants are the worst I've noticed--every one gives you 2x to 4x as much as you should eat.

 

Right, I agree. As I said, I eat at a few organic greenie local sandwich places that give correct portions, but most of the restaurants I eat at --- even local ones, as I skip the chains --- over-portion. The BF and I often share a meal at a lot of places. It's just too much food!

[chelle21689]

Gotta face the facts...American's are bigger than most people overseas, we have more hormones in our food, and our portions are a lot bigger! I've been overseas and all the food is a lot smaller lol.

 

Anyways, I like boxer-briefs...sexay! Especially on athletic guys. Boxers are OKAY but if you're athletic they don't really show off your figure. Underwear isn't really hot haha I guess you have to be really hot to pull it off.

[EasyHeart]

Like with many things, I don't think Americans as a whole are fatter or less healthy, but Americans tend to self-segregate to two extremes: those who conscientiously eat healthy and exercise regularly and those who eat crap and sit on the couch a lot. There's lots of garbage in the grocery stores, but there are 5 grocery stores within a few miles of me and every one of them carries grass-fed beef, buffalo, free-range chicken & eggs, wild-caught fish and a big array of organic fruits and veggies. So it's not really that hard to eat healthy if you want to.

 

I think a lot of it has to do with knowledge. The federal government has been promoting unhealthy eating as a matter of national policy for the past 30 years; it's bound to have caught up with us.

[EnigmaticClarity]

Like with many things, I don't think Americans as a whole are fatter or less healthy

 

I keep hearing we are, that 60% of us are obese and that number is quite high compared to most other countries.

[zengirl]

There's lots of garbage in the grocery stores, but there are 5 grocery stores within a few miles of me and every one of them carries grass-fed beef, buffalo, free-range chicken & eggs, wild-caught fish and a big array of organic fruits and veggies. So it's not really that hard to eat healthy if you want to.

 

Where do you live, EH? We have a Whole Foods reasonably close, and one of the other local chains carries some organic foods (nothing like what you describe though), but nothing like that at most stores! It's different in other places. The South is pretty bad, in general, for this, and you only find these options in the major metro areas or close-to, usually. I'm in a major metro, so I have them, and some farmers' markets and such too, but the other issue is: They're expensive.

 

I'm a college-educated (MA and everything!), middle class childless woman with no debt (just paid off the car so none!), and I have to budget carefully to eat well with these choices. Granted, I work for a nonprofit, so I'm on the poorer end of the scale (still more than I made last year teaching!), but I could never have those choices if I were not socially and economically privileged. I probably wouldn't even have knowledge of them, but if I did, I still couldn't afford them at that stage.

 

And not all healthy food needs to be a luxury! In other countries, it isn't really. In fact, in many countries unhealthy food is MORE expensive, and that's as it should be IMO, not the other way around. We're backwards.

 

I think a lot of it has to do with knowledge. The federal government has been promoting unhealthy eating as a matter of national policy for the past 30 years; it's bound to have caught up with us.

 

Knowledge, subsidies, and cost, yes.

[Queen Zenobia]

Like with many things, I don't think Americans as a whole are fatter or less healthy, but Americans tend to self-segregate to two extremes: those who conscientiously eat healthy and exercise regularly and those who eat crap and sit on the couch a lot. There's lots of garbage in the grocery stores, but there are 5 grocery stores within a few miles of me and every one of them carries grass-fed beef, buffalo, free-range chicken & eggs, wild-caught fish and a big array of organic fruits and veggies. So it's not really that hard to eat healthy if you want to.

 

I think a lot of it has to do with knowledge. The federal government has been promoting unhealthy eating as a matter of national policy for the past 30 years; it's bound to have caught up with us.

 

If we didn't subsidize corn production then we wouldn't have HFCS, and all cattle would be fed grass instead of corn. Getting corn fed cattle and unhealthy food would actually be MORE expensive than the healthy food.

[ascendotum]

I see most people "gorging" every single time I go to a restaurant, and by gorging, I mean they eat all or the majority of what they're given. I rarely ever see any restaurant give portions that are small enough to not make people get fat; they give you 50% to 400% more food than you should be eating to maintain a 1600 to 2400 calorie daily diet depending upon your size.

 

This is one thing I don't quite understand as regards the US. In so many other areas on commerce, busineses if they can get away with it would prefer to give you less for the same $, more customers served from from the same inputs, means more profits (in simple terms), but not really when it comes to food servings, in relation to other countries.

[EnigmaticClarity]

This is one thing I don't quite understand as regards the US. In so many other areas on commerce, busineses if they can get away with it would prefer to give you less for the same $, more customers served from from the same inputs, means more profits (in simple terms), but not really when it comes to food servings, in relation to other countries.

 

There was a trend towards all-you-can-eat buffets in America in the 1980s and 1990s. I rarely see buffets anymore, but all restaurants serve portions that are as much as you can eat anyway. The popularity of buffets tells me that restaurants serve large portions because that's what most of their customers want.

[Queen Zenobia]

This is one thing I don't quite understand as regards the US. In so many other areas on commerce, busineses if they can get away with it would prefer to give you less for the same $, more customers served from from the same inputs, means more profits (in simple terms), but not really when it comes to food servings, in relation to other countries.

 

It's because here in the US we subsidize agricultural production. Of corn most infamously, but several other crops get subsidized too. This produces artificially low food costs so restaurants can afford to give you more food than in other countries.

[EasyHeart]

Where do you live, EH? We have a Whole Foods reasonably close, and one of the other local chains carries some organic foods (nothing like what you describe though), but nothing like that at most stores! It's different in other places. The South is pretty bad, in general, for this, and you only find these options in the major metro areas or close-to, usually. I'm in a major metro, so I have them, and some farmers' markets and such too, but the other issue is: They're expensive.

 

I'm a college-educated (MA and everything!), middle class childless woman with no debt (just paid off the car so none!), and I have to budget carefully to eat well with these choices. Granted, I work for a nonprofit, so I'm on the poorer end of the scale (still more than I made last year teaching!), but I could never have those choices if I were not socially and economically privileged. I probably wouldn't even have knowledge of them, but if I did, I still couldn't afford them at that stage.

 

And not all healthy food needs to be a luxury! In other countries, it isn't really. In fact, in many countries unhealthy food is MORE expensive, and that's as it should be IMO, not the other way around. We're backwards.

 

 

 

Knowledge, subsidies, and cost, yes.

I forgot Farmer's Markets! There are three of those that I can walk to (Wed, Thurs and Sat). There are 2 Whole Foods I can go to, but they tend to be more expensive, so i don't go there often. If I'm willing to drive 20 minutes, there are two co-ops I can go to that are REALLY incredible.

 

I think you may be right about the South. My sister and I both have celiac disease and have to eat gluten-free. I live in downtown Minneapolis and she lives in suburban Atlanta (which is a much bigger metro area) and has a hard time finding GF foods; I send her a Care Package every few months! So I wouldn't be surprised if it was harder to find organic/grass-fed foods in Southern cites. Where are you?

 

Expense is a big issue, but prices seem to be coming down. (It probably helps to live in big agricultural area, too). Grass-fed ground beef is $6.50/lb at Target and $6/lb at the co-op, while the regular stuff is usually $4-5/lb., so it's not TOO bad. Buffalo has gotten really expensive, but I've read that it's mostly do to high demand, so prices will go down as ranchers ramp up production. (A lot of buffalo comes from Minnesota and South Dakota; the beef I buy is also locally raised). OTH, I'm 1500 miles away from any ocean, so fish is hard to come by; I buy is frozen or canned (sardines and mackerel are cheap and full of omega-3s!). Wild-caught frozen salmon is around $10/lb and cooks up nicely.

 

I don't always buy organic fruits and veggies because of the expense. Some organic stuff (like greens and berries) are worth it, but stuff like cabbage and carrots aren't. In the summer I can walk to the Farmer's Market and get organic kale or chard for $2/bunch! (Oh, and the Farmer's Market takes food stamps, too )

 

But on the whole, I think it's a myth that eating healthy is lots more expensive than eating crap. Ignoring the organic stuff, you could buy a chicken for about $5, cabbage and carrots for $2 and a pound of brown rice for $4. That's a lot more food than a couple frozen pizzas. And while I personally think that things like grass-fed beef are worth it, the BIG gap is between eating fresh foods you cook for yourself and eating processed/packaged/artificial stuff. For a lot of people (not you, obviously) they could see huge improvements just by eating apples instead of Twinkies!

 

Oh, that reminds me! The University of Minnesota has an experimental farm out in the suburbs that sells the fruits and veggies that they raise. It's about a 30-40 minute drive, but I go out there sometimes -- especially in the Fall for apples (apples are one of the UM's big research areas).

 

I don't think anyone's diet can be perfect. Heck, I break down every now and then and eat a peanut butter cup! You just have to educate yourself and do the best you can given your circumstances, which it sounds like you're doing!

[EasyHeart]

If we didn't subsidize corn production then we wouldn't have HFCS, and all cattle would be fed grass instead of corn. Getting corn fed cattle and unhealthy food would actually be MORE expensive than the healthy food.

No argument from me!!!

 

And can we get rid of that MyPlate nonsense, too? WHY DOES YOUR DAIRY HAVE TO BE ON A SEPARATE PLATE???

[zengirl]

I think you may be right about the South. My sister and I both have celiac disease and have to eat gluten-free. I live in downtown Minneapolis and she lives in suburban Atlanta (which is a much bigger metro area) and has a hard time finding GF foods; I send her a Care Package every few months! So I wouldn't be surprised if it was harder to find organic/grass-fed foods in Southern cites.

 

Minneapolis has a great food culture, similar to that of the Pacific NW, I think. I don't know if you can technically count MN as part of that region or not but if it weren't so cold, Minneapolis would remind me of Seattle/Portland/even a little like San Fran/etc. All great cities. I'd love to live in those areas someday.

 

But on the whole, I think it's a myth that eating healthy is lots more expensive than eating crap. Ignoring the organic stuff, you could buy a chicken for about $5, cabbage and carrots for $2 and a pound of brown rice for $4. That's a lot more food than a couple frozen pizzas. And while I personally think that things like grass-fed beef are worth it, the BIG gap is between eating fresh foods you cook for yourself and eating processed/packaged/artificial stuff. For a lot of people (not you, obviously) they could see huge improvements just by eating apples instead of Twinkies!

 

Maybe, but with low socio-economic, you have to factor in time. If we're talking middle class folks, you're 100% right, it's doable and not much more expensive. But when we're talking folks working 2 jobs, who have transportation issues and have to put a lot more time into just getting there, who are raising kids. . . well, there are too many quick and BAD options, and frankly, Mac & Cheese or Ramen noodles and the like are cheaper than the fresh stuff I'd buy, even when not eating organic. I think you're assessing it from a middle class perspective here. Honestly, the real issue I have with U.S. food quality is what it does to the poor, particularly poor children. But that's my soap box!

[ascendotum]

It's because here in the US we subsidize agricultural production. Of corn most infamously, but several other crops get subsidized too. This produces artificially low food costs so restaurants can afford to give you more food than in other countries.

 

I realise this is off the original topic now, but (without getting bogged down in detail) do the corn + potato + wheat farmers have enough clout to influence an election (assuming it was not going to be a close one)? Have subsidies changed at all in the last 30 yrs there?

[Queen Zenobia]

I realise this is off the original topic now, but (without getting bogged down in detail) do the corn + potato + wheat farmers have enough clout to influence an election (assuming it was not going to be a close one)? Have subsidies changed at all in the last 30 yrs there?

 

:lmao:

 

Sorry but it's a funny concept to explain.

 

I guarantee you that if there was any real threat to subsidies a political action committee would be on TV with some elderly midwestern sounding man claiming that without subsidies his "small family farm" would go bankrupt" and the corn producers would go on TV (just as they do now) and claim that HFCS is "good in moderation". American politics is one of the most reactionary and fear based things on the planet.

 

And it really wasn't until the 1970s that the US started to subsidize things like corn. So yeah there's a huge difference in how we produce and think about food vs how we used to.

[FitChick]

Shouldn't you all be posting on the Current Events forum?

 

Back to the original topic: I like good quality (not cheap and cheesy) cotton or silk bikinis in solid colors on my man, or that 'hybrid' boxer-brief cotton knit that is tight fitting, to show off those manly bulges. I hate boxers. Nothing sexy about them. My dad and grandpa wore boxers so I think of them as something only old men wear.

[EasyHeart]

Shouldn't you all be posting on the Current Events forum?

Sheesh, you're almost as bad as StarGazer. I've been trembling in fear that she's going to come in here and yell at us to stay on topic. . .

[NoReallyThatHappened]

Boxer briefs!

 

Or none at all.