Any turn off can be fixed with confidence. True or false?

[Cracker Jack]

Unless you're content with your life doing nothing (which isn't true for the majority of us who aren't doing any dating on this site), that's harmful advice.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

This is really annoying.

 

You don't need to **** men who aren't tall, but what is so frustrating and breeds the anti-woman mentality of many guys is that not only do we never get credit where its due, but women also go out of their way to put us down and de-masculinize us.

 

*Waves* to Wolf...please read my posts Darling. I do not think shorter men are less masculine. I think some people here are a bit twitish myself, and I am a woman.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

OnyxSnowfall:

since it made a difference to me =/

 

That’s fine that it makes a difference to you. But most people I know logistically consider an inch just an inch.

 

 

That is fine. I've never claimed that all women or even "most" have an issue with height in males. I stated I did and do. I can overlook every other physical aspect... seriously. Weight, skin, hair (or lack there of), etc etc etc... I just CANNOT get aroused, sexually aroused, when a man is too short. Just like I can't get aroused at the idea of being naughty with a cat or a camel or even my own gender etc etc.

 

We get it. You don't like short guys. No worries. No one told you that you have to like them. There really is just no need to make it seem like sex with a shorter man is even comparable to not being turned on by cats or camels.

 

We all got deal breakers and I'm not disagreeing with your right to yours. I just think you're really jumping on this topic when all you really need to do is state your opinion and let it be.

 

And I hate repeating myself here. We are talking about physical attraction. I already stated I met short men whom were wonderful people. I AM NOT SAYING THAT their physique equates into them being inferior as a human being at all. I am just saying I can't get sexually excited over them, even if they are great people.

 

So saying that shorter men remind you of boys isn't to infer that they are inferior? Do you have that strong a reaction to women like myself with smaller builds? Are men that like me pedohphiles because I have small breasts? Am I less of a woman? Are women who are 6 feet less feminine?

 

Again, I have NO issue with what you are attracted to. It's all the other gunk you're preaching that is getting in the way.

 

And I'm probably one of the only ones you'll ever hear tell you that I'm not into celebrities nor even much into modern entertainment. I don't believe that because a majority of people are into something that the opposite is inherently wrong either.

 

Huh? The opposite of what? You don’t have to be into celebrities to understand the gist of using them as a common ground. You knew who Jon Stewart was. He's not the most mainstream of celebrities even.

 

I am unaware of whom Andy Pettite is too, sorry. I suppose I am more intent on leading my own life rather than intangibly immersing myself into others. I do know of several kinds of artists and scientists, but more so their work than their personal lives (unless it involves and signifies a development).

 

It is fine if people have "attractions" to people they'll ever meet. I guess it's just not real enough for me. I like real, I like truth.

 

Andy Pettite - pitched for the New York Yankees.. Now you know. And you can take your little lofty tone of typing about how you are “more intent on leading my own life rather than intangibly immersing myself into others” out of the discussion. It’s uncalled for and is all about trying to act like your better evolved then others here while pushing the assumption that anyone that knows who a celebrity is “imerged in the life of others”. It's silliness.

 

Further, it also I like real life too. And it is not going unnoticed by me that you are infering because someone might have a celebrity crush that they aren't living in the "real" and in the "truth". Perhaps that wasn't your intention. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But at this point, I'm not so sure that is the case.

 

 

As I've mentioned before, I'm also not proud of not being sexually attracted to short men. If I'm single, it doesn't benefit me in anyway to not be.

 

I'm usually not attracted to blond men. I also am not overly attracted to thick New York accents (I live in New Jersey). Should I be ashamed of that? No. It's just my perference. I'm also single. It might limit my dating pool but isn't that what getting to the heart of who you could be with is about? Limiting from a huge amount of people? You don't need to have everyone in your dating pool to find a match. However, the only time it gets sticky when you make expectations overly grand and unrealistic. Not liking shorter guys alone isn't an unrealistic standard. I just think the other things your saying are more off putting then your lack of attraction to shorter men.

[carhill]

Uh, so basically give up on on dating?

 

That doesn't sound like the best advice...

Read the page or so of posts prior to mine. I was reflecting on where the discussion was going. Would I wish to be involved in a dating world like that? Negative. Hence my comment.

 

Sometimes it takes confidence to just walk away and not look back.

[somedude81]

My mistake then.

 

I thought you were referring to Wolf18's post which was right before yours.

[carhill]

No worries. Hope this weekend's holiday escapades go well

 

I've got a whole week at the river coming up. Confidence in enjoying the scenery is high

[OnyxSnowfall]

That’s fine that it makes a difference to you. But most people I know logistically consider an inch just an inch.

"Most people you know" again... majority rules, doesn't it =)

It is what it is. Every little thing adds up...

 

We get it. You don't like short guys. No worries. No one told you that you have to like them. There really is just no need to make it seem like sex with a shorter man is even comparable to not being turned on by cats or camels.

 

It is comparable to me ... well, I could state something very snarky, but I suppose I shall leave it at that.

 

when all you really need to do is state your opinion and let it be.

 

Hardly. I stated my opinion and someone inquired for more information. I GAVE them more information... and that led to other people's false "claims" and rants. I don't exactly think it's good if someone is telling me that the only reason I am not sexually attracted to short men is because I believe they all have napoleon syndrome (I don't) and that if I saw short men differently, I would be sexually aroused by them when... that's just not the case. Or any other such thing.

 

Have you even read all the thread? What about other ones regarding this very same thing? Because... I only elaborated when elaboration was sought. Whether it was because some male got his "panties" in a bundle or whether it was because questions were actually asked. It seems to be some phenomena, women not being sexually attracted to short men... the men seem very perplexed as to why. Just because they're insecure about it doesn't mean I am going to lie. I don't always come across as graceful as would be best received, but I am a phantom on the internet, like you and others so... I don't actually expect people to take things so personally either.

 

So saying that shorter men remind you of boys isn't to infer that they are inferior? Do you have that strong a reaction to women like myself with smaller builds? Are men that like me pedohphiles because I have small breasts? Am I less of a woman? Are women who are 6 feet less feminine?

 

More questions I see. "Rhetorical" ones?

 

Some men may prefer small breasts because they like the little girl look. Sorry dear, but I've had older men come onto me since I was a little girl and I know of some of the dark and dreary things people get turned on by (unfortunately). I don't think all of them would. I think men can be indifferent to breasts, or prefer smaller ones for other reasons (less sagging as the woman ages etc etc). As for tall women... I think they can certainly have a more "commanding" and "strength-ridden" vibe. Amazon and lovely and all. I think it's great, personally. I like tall women too =B

 

And you can take your little lofty tone of typing about how you are “more intent on leading my own life rather than intangibly immersing myself into others” out of the discussion. It’s uncalled for and is all about trying to act like your better evolved then others here while pushing the assumption that anyone that knows who a celebrity is “imerged in the life of others”. It's silliness.

 

Further, it also I like real life too. And it is not going unnoticed by me that you are infering because someone might have a celebrity crush that they aren't living in the "real" and in the "truth". Perhaps that wasn't your intention. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But at this point, I'm not so sure that is the case.

 

How generous of you to give me the benefit of doubt

 

I suppose I see celebrities how I see other forms of media... whether it's positive "information" or negative "information"... it's all, very, very questionable.

 

Besides that, yes "real"... a celebrity and a non-celebrity do not generally, mutually, directly impact one another's daily lives... someone with public status can indeed influences others, and someone with public status can indeed rely on others in some ways.

 

I just prefer to keep their influences in other realms. As I already stated , I could really careless if others are attracted to celebrities and essentially, strangers. If you want to argue whether or not they're "strangers", I will just concede that you are okay with being disillusioned.

Edited September 3, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall

[aj22one]

Some men may prefer small breasts because they like the little girl look. Sorry dear, but I've had older men come onto me since I was a little girl and I know of some of the dark and dreary things people get turned on by (unfortunately). I don't think all of them would. I think men can be indifferent to breasts, or prefer smaller ones for other reasons (less sagging as the woman ages etc etc). As for tall women... I think they can certainly have a more "commanding" and "strength-ridden" vibe. Amazon and lovely and all. I think it's great, personally. I like tall women too =B

 

 

Nothing wrong with being turned on by dark and dreary things. Ever read Edgar Allen Poe poetry by a romantic fireplace? Girls absolutely swoon at that stuff.

[OnyxSnowfall]

Nothing wrong with being turned on by dark and dreary things. Ever read Edgar Allen Poe poetry by a romantic fireplace? Girls absolutely swoon at that stuff.

 

Oh yes, I've done that a few times myself

[counterman]

It's funny, I have many friends who are dating guys that tower over them. They have described it as making them feel secure, etc. Those guys don't care why their girlfriends are into them (rightly so), because they're getting what they want and she's getting what she wants.

 

I haven't met a girl that has said "I don't need a guy to be taller than me to make me feel feminine or secure, I already feel that way and don't need anyone to embrace it" (or anything else along those lines), a truly well-rounded, grounded girl that is completely fine with herself, without needing ANYTHING from a partner. Is that too much to ask for? It seems so. I shake my head thinking how successful in many aspects of their lives these shorter men would be if they weren't so bogged down about their height or related matters.

 

I have had girls taller than me express interest in dating me. Way it turns out is that I wasn't attracted to them, not because they were taller than me though. However, I would date a girl that was taller than me (doesn't matter how much) but, in saying that, I would have to get to know her pretty well because I just think (from the many opinions of female friends and on this forum) eventually they'll succumb to pressure from friends or family or their own prior expectations, and height becomes an issue. It's just not worth it. So, I tend to date girls shorter than me.

 

The fact is, I know many girls that won't be proud to introduce a shorter guy to their friends or family and many would be proud to introduce a taller guy, irrespective of his character/personality. It is frustrating and even guys I know who are 6 feet tall blame a lot of their problems on their height (or supposed "lack" of it). Confidence, IME, has opened a door of opportunities, not only in terms of dating, but in many aspects of my life. I keep improving and that's all that matters. Whether it makes me successful in dating or not, won't stop me from gaining more confidence.

 

A lot of people have been dealt much worst playing cards then being short and yet they seem to find a way to be happy. There's always going to be someone shorter than you and always going to be someone talling than you. It is the way it is and it's funny even how an inch makes a huge difference. I was not aware of how big this issue is until I started posting on LS but it has made me realised I'm going on the right track. If a girl rejects you because of your height, don't bother with her. If 100 girls or 1000 girls do the same, they're weeded themselves out. Keep plugging away (even though it is frustrating) but also keep living other parts of your lives, because it's just simply not worth putting so much effort into something you can't control.

[Cracker Jack]

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Great post, counterman.

[Dorie]

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Great post, counterman.

 

+2

 

I have never turned a man down for a date because of height. I have dated men under 5 foot 9 inches and so have many friends. Only when the man was under 5 foot 5 inches was it ever remarked upon in private.

[counterman]

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Great post, counterman.

 

Thanks!

 

+2

 

I have never turned a man down for a date because of height. I have dated men under 5 foot 9 inches and so have many friends. Only when the man was under 5 foot 5 inches was it ever remarked upon in private.

 

Good on you! I mean everyone is entitled to their preferences but a great guy who is short is still a great guy.

 

I have a friend who's 5'4 dating a girl that's 5'7, and it annoys me when his friends (some of whom are my friends) makes fun of him. By the way, some of them are 6' and not getting girls.

 

My cousin who's in his 20s was born with a disease which meant he spends a lot of his time at hospital. He has to take pills everyday and has seizures. This issue affected his growth, so he isn't very tall. A lot of girls would have discounted him at first sight and he was bullied at school. You couldn't tell he had an illness, from looking on the outside, he was just a bit smaller than the other guys and thinner but apart from that, he was just like everyone else. But somehow he manages to enjoy his life, with many friends and even a girlfriend of 4 years. She has taken care of him at times as well and stuck by him. Now, if anyone ever tried to put him down or reject him due to his height, I would give them a piece of my mind. He couldn't help the way he was born. I mean, what do you think? He wants to be unhealthy and having to go to the hospital? He can't help it! Yet, even though it has gotten to him at times, he is still smiling and acknowledges that there are people worse off... I'm glad he has met this wonderful girl, who has a heart of gold as I'm sure many others would have dismissed him right from the start. I'm also proud that he hasn't allowed others to bring him down.

 

It's something I've been trying to wrap my head around and have just given in to the fact that I do not truly understand it since I'm not a girl who cares about height...And I'm not saying that it's wrong to have preferences or anything, I mean, I have preferences myself but I was just trying to think why it matters so much? To be honest, I find it a bit ridiculous, not meaning to offend someone, because, like I said, I cannot truly understand and can only speculate.

 

Imagine this scenario, a hypothetical one. You meet a guy, he meets your height requirements and you love everything about him and you've been with him for years now (5 years? 10 years? basically long-term). A tragic accident happens, which means his legs have to be cut shorter to prevent further infection (or something similar). As a circumstance, he is shorter, perhaps shorter than you. I know this scenario is a bit out there, but would you still stay with him? I'm guessing, and I could be wrong, that many of you would, because you love him and the time you've been with him has allowed you to really love the person, with everything that embodies a person. Height was just a mere attritube, it wasn't the defining thing about that person. Just like how for shorter guys, it shouldn't define them.

If however I was the guy in the situation, I wouldn't want to a date a girl who's major reason for dating me would be my height.

 

I understand that some girls have height preferences and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. You are entitled to what you prefer, as we all are. However, I just think that we fight to keep them preferences rather than just letting things be, and therefore internalising many expectations of what we want from the opposite sex. I know I have been there. If we were all open-minded, we'll have a much greater dating pool and would definitely open ourselves to meeting more great people and wonderful (and some bad) experiences. So for the guys who may be short, just because you're a few inches closer to the ground than the next guy, does that mean you should stop living and start caring a lot about what some women prefer? Does that mean you should start hating women? No, because you are far more capable of doing wonderful things and being happy and for the many women that do care, there are some that don't, those are the ones that are worth you effort. Like everyone else dating, short or tall, we all have our own world of issues, but there's more to life than dating too.

[Cracker Jack]

Once again, solid post. I really appreciate the advice you've given.

 

I also agree that some of us who aren't tall shouldn't hate women or develop bitter feelings towards them. I guess with someone who's faced countless rejections because of his height, that negative energy is likely inevitable--but for the most part, it's best to just accept things as they are and not let it consume you.

 

Some of my much older posts sorta showed how bitter I was about this topic. I guess it was because I decided to focus on the posters who said one thing while ignoring the others. I just felt like it was easier to blame everything on my height, but it's done nothing positive at all. I never had an issue with my height....till I started coming here and reading the many topics about it; that did nothing for me. At all.

 

And every time a woman online said they weren't attracted to short men because they wanted to date a real man and not a boy or something along those lines, it stung. I don't know why, but it just did. Words from faceless strangers never affected me before, but they suddenly began to when I became obsessed with my lack of height. I just couldn't get over it, and wondered why women hated us (Romantically) so much.

 

It just made me continue to do research on it, and read countless articles on why women loved tall men--and eventually saw the studies about taller man being better mates, more confident, more loved socially, more respected, and usually more worthy of making a better income than their shorter counterparts.

 

After reading all of those, it just made me feel...kinda hopeless about the future. The bad part was my entire outlook on everything changed. Every time I go out, I still often see things from a height stand-point, and I can't stand it. But the good thing is I don't let it bother me as much, because comparing myself to a bunch of strangers is pointless, anyway.

 

But...while women generally prefer taller men, what I see when I'm outside is vastly different from what the internet portrays. So yes, being shorter, in general, still limits you in comparison to being taller, but....it's not nearly as bleak as most of these articles/topics make it out to be. I see many couples that are the same height, if not some with the man barely being taller. They usually look so happy, too. This started to make me think a lot.

 

Once I started seeing that more, I realized it was time to take my head out of my ass and get over it. I realized that vilifying women was bad; like, really utterly pointless and did me no good. Women aren't bad people for preferring tall men. I guess it was the "most short men have complex's" part that pissed me off in the past, because I always thought it was an unfair label on a shorter guy. If you're an idiot, you're an idiot; whether you're tall, fat, short, or whatever. That's how I see it.

 

But you're definitely right, counterman. At the end of the day, you just have to do your best to enjoy life. If a woman doesn't want you because you're too short (inability to reproduce good offsprings, not big enough to make her feel comfortable, etc) for her, it's best to just let it go and realize that it isn't game over because you were rejected because of it. Life goes on. I know most will not want to hear this, but if I have to pick between that or hating women for their preference, I'm definitely going with the former. It's not worth it, and can literally make you feel sick because you'll constantly make yourself feel unworthy.

 

Sorry for the wall of text. Thanks for the posts, counterman. I, personally, needed to read that to get a better perspective on things.

Edited September 3, 2011 by Cracker Jack

[green_tea]

Late to the thread, and since we seem to be focussing on height of men. Yes this definitely can be overlooked if he has confidence, and a good face & body. I am trying to get over a short guy right now! I was so into him, but he's rejected me. He said he was 5'6, but I'm 5'3 and didn't think he was that much taller than me. When I first met him, I was disappointed that he was so short, but I got over it and in the end really liked him.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

"Most people you know" again... majority rules, doesn't it =)

It is what it is. Every little thing adds up..

.

 

Just talking about my experience. That's all anyone has to go on.

 

Do you also see a big different between 5'10 and 5'11 as well? (not a rhetorical question by the way)

 

It is comparable to me ... well, I could state something very snarky, but I suppose I shall leave it at that.

 

You could say something snarky? You did just say something snarky. I love people that pretend to take the high road but don't.

 

 

Hardly. I stated my opinion and someone inquired for more information. I GAVE them more information...

 

I'm not talking about that.

 

I don't exactly think it's good if someone is telling me that the only reason I am not sexually attracted to short men is because I believe they all have napoleon syndrome (I don't) and that if I saw short men differently, I would be sexually aroused by them when... that's just not the case. Or any other such thing.

 

I agree that no one should tel you what would change your attraction. But putting shorter men down to the extent that you compare sex with them to sex with a cat isn't any better.

 

Because... I only elaborated when elaboration was sought.

 

I was really talking about in the context of our conversation with each other. You responded to my comments and we started a dialogue with each other. I could have been clearer about that.

 

I see nothing wrong with elaborating and talking on a message board. That's what a message board is for. What I find most offessive isn't your lack of attraction to shorter men. It's the way you have (snarkily) but them down to get your point across.

 

Whether it was because some male got his "panties" in a bundle...

 

Again, it's comments like these that make the genders rant against each other instead of taking the time to understand each other. Some men are naturally sensitive to this topic. Especially when women are telling them sex with them would be about as sexy as sex with a cat. A little understanding could go a long way. And perhaps in the future, when you want to discuss an issue you face as a woman, they will recipocate that. It's not always going to happen but I try to live by that code myself because I don't like it when men put me down and tell me I just got my "panties" in a bundle for something I feel is important. And I don't think it's right to do to men either because it's really a means to put down their feelings.

 

 

It seems to be some phenomena, women not being sexually attracted to short men...

 

That's a completely false statement. Now you got me thinking about the couples I know in my life that have shorter men. My 5'8 brother is very attractive to alot of my friends. My own father who is 5'7 (the big difference in height you dislike) married my mom who was 16 years his junior - and at that time was 5'4, long blond hair to her waist, 120 pounds and big boobs. My cousin is my about as tall as my brother (althought I don't know his exact height) and he just got married and has a baby. His wife is very sweet. My Poppop is 5'6 and he married my grandmother. My Poppop's brothers are all on the short side and everyone of them got married. My good girlfriend married a man who is 5'8 and she is one goregous girl. A beautiful indian girl and she married a short white guy.

 

You aren't attracted to shorter men. No problem. You're doing yourself and those men a favor being hoenst about that. But don't lie and say that women are not attracted to short men. I see men all the time with girlfriends who are below 5'8 in height.

 

Just because they're insecure about it doesn't mean I am going to lie.

 

Actually, I think you got some insecurities yourself going on which is why your dead set on putting shorter men down. You also have lied when you said, "It seems to be some phenomena, women not being sexually attracted to short men.." Bull. The world isn't full of tall men. It's full of a mixture of men. And those men are getting married just as much as their taller counterparts.

 

I don't always come across as graceful as would be best received, but I am a phantom on the internet, like you and others so... I don't actually expect people to take things so personally either.

 

Oh nonsense. When you make comparisons to sleeping with shorter men like having sex with animals, that's just not a matter of not being graceful.

 

If you understand that your comments don't come across as graceful then you understand that what you say matters. Just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you get to crap on people for it.

 

More questions I see. "Rhetorical" ones?

 

Why would I ask rhetorical questions on a discussion board?

 

Some men may prefer small breasts because they like the little girl look. Sorry dear, but I've had older men come onto me since I was a little girl and I know of some of the dark and dreary things people get turned on by (unfortunately).

 

I see. So the only way someone can be attracted to me is if they like little girls. All because when you were a little girl older men came on to you. Thank god I don't live in the world you live in. But I am glad you answered my question because it should prove to the shorter guys just how ridiculous your mentality is of people.

 

I don't think all of them would. I think men can be indifferent to breasts, or prefer smaller ones for other reasons (less sagging as the woman ages etc etc). As for tall women... I think they can certainly have a more "commanding" and "strength-ridden" vibe. Amazon and lovely and all. I think it's great, personally. I like tall women too =B

 

You mean to admit that different body types can be attractive.

 

How generous of you to give me the benefit of doubt

 

You're welcome.

 

I suppose I see celebrities how I see other forms of media... whether it's positive "information" or negative "information"... it's all, very, very questionable.

 

Yeah, that's fine but that has nothign to do with being attracted to people in the public eye.

 

As I already stated , I could really careless if others are attracted to celebrities and essentially, strangers.

 

Actually,what I remember you indirectly saying is that you were somehow a better person because you didn't concern yourself with modern entertainment.

 

If you want to argue whether or not they're "strangers", I will just concede that you are okay with being disillusioned.

 

Our conversation was never a debate about if celebrities where really "strangers" or not. And insinuating that I said anything close to celebrities not being "strangers" to everyday people is foolish. Trying to project the image that I am "disillusioned" because I think some people in the public eye are attractive has nothing to do with intelligent discussion and everything to do with this desire of yours to put others down.

 

I see right through your jabs and put downs of me and others here. Even despite your meager attempts to thinly hide behind them.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

To the shorter guys here..if you didnt want to read through the cat fight Oxy and I are having, at least take away this much from our posts:

 

Oxy said to me:

Some men may prefer small breasts because they like the little girl look. Sorry dear, but I've had older men come onto me since I was a little girl and I know of some of the dark and dreary things people get turned on by (unfortunately).

 

To which I replied:

I see. So the only way someone can be attracted to me is if they like little girls. All because when you were a little girl older men came on to you. Thank god I don't live in the world you live in. But I am glad you answered my question because it should prove to the shorter guys just how ridiculous your mentality is of people

.

 

She also said:

I don't think all of them would. I think men can be indifferent to breasts, or prefer smaller ones for other reasons (less sagging as the woman ages etc etc). As for tall women... I think they can certainly have a more "commanding" and "strength-ridden" vibe. Amazon and lovely and all. I think it's great, personally. I like tall women too =B

 

To which I replied:

You mean to admit that different body types can be attractive

.

 

 

So apparently by being a woman with smaller breasts means I might attract pedophiles..now you tell me if that sounds rational to you and take the rest of her comments about shorter men with a grain of salt.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

Late to the thread, and since we seem to be focussing on height of men. Yes this definitely can be overlooked if he has confidence, and a good face & body. I am trying to get over a short guy right now! I was so into him, but he's rejected me. He said he was 5'6, but I'm 5'3 and didn't think he was that much taller than me. When I first met him, I was disappointed that he was so short, but I got over it and in the end really liked him.

 

Green Tea..i had a similar experience. I was really into this guy that was 5'4 and he rejected me. I really liked him to but he wasn't into me as much.

[OnyxSnowfall]

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Just talking about my experience. That's all anyone has to go on.

 

Do you also see a big different between 5'10 and 5'11 as well? (not a rhetorical question by the way)

 

 

 

You could say something snarky? You did just say something snarky. I love people that pretend to take the high road but don't.

 

 

 

 

I'm not talking about that.

 

 

 

I agree that no one should tel you what would change your attraction. But putting shorter men down to the extent that you compare sex with them to sex with a cat isn't any better.

 

 

 

I was really talking about in the context of our conversation with each other. You responded to my comments and we started a dialogue with each other. I could have been clearer about that.

 

I see nothing wrong with elaborating and talking on a message board. That's what a message board is for. What I find most offessive isn't your lack of attraction to shorter men. It's the way you have (snarkily) but them down to get your point across.

 

 

 

Again, it's comments like these that make the genders rant against each other instead of taking the time to understand each other. Some men are naturally sensitive to this topic. Especially when women are telling them sex with them would be about as sexy as sex with a cat. A little understanding could go a long way. And perhaps in the future, when you want to discuss an issue you face as a woman, they will recipocate that. It's not always going to happen but I try to live by that code myself because I don't like it when men put me down and tell me I just got my "panties" in a bundle for something I feel is important. And I don't think it's right to do to men either because it's really a means to put down their feelings.

 

 

 

 

That's a completely false statement. Now you got me thinking about the couples I know in my life that have shorter men. My 5'8 brother is very attractive to alot of my friends. My own father who is 5'7 (the big difference in height you dislike) married my mom who was 16 years his junior - and at that time was 5'4, long blond hair to her waist, 120 pounds and big boobs. My cousin is my about as tall as my brother (althought I don't know his exact height) and he just got married and has a baby. His wife is very sweet. My Poppop is 5'6 and he married my grandmother. My Poppop's brothers are all on the short side and everyone of them got married. My good girlfriend married a man who is 5'8 and she is one goregous girl. A beautiful indian girl and she married a short white guy.

 

You aren't attracted to shorter men. No problem. You're doing yourself and those men a favor being hoenst about that. But don't lie and say that women are not attracted to short men. I see men all the time with girlfriends who are below 5'8 in height.

 

 

 

Actually, I think you got some insecurities yourself going on which is why your dead set on putting shorter men down. You also have lied when you said, "It seems to be some phenomena, women not being sexually attracted to short men.." Bull. The world isn't full of tall men. It's full of a mixture of men. And those men are getting married just as much as their taller counterparts.

 

 

 

Oh nonsense. When you make comparisons to sleeping with shorter men like having sex with animals, that's just not a matter of not being graceful.

 

If you understand that your comments don't come across as graceful then you understand that what you say matters. Just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you get to crap on people for it.

 

 

 

Why would I ask rhetorical questions on a discussion board?

 

 

 

I see. So the only way someone can be attracted to me is if they like little girls. All because when you were a little girl older men came on to you. Thank god I don't live in the world you live in. But I am glad you answered my question because it should prove to the shorter guys just how ridiculous your mentality is of people.

 

 

 

You mean to admit that different body types can be attractive.

 

 

 

You're welcome.

 

 

 

Yeah, that's fine but that has nothign to do with being attracted to people in the public eye.

 

 

 

Actually,what I remember you indirectly saying is that you were somehow a better person because you didn't concern yourself with modern entertainment.

 

 

 

Our conversation was never a debate about if celebrities where really "strangers" or not. And insinuating that I said anything close to celebrities not being "strangers" to everyday people is foolish. Trying to project the image that I am "disillusioned" because I think some people in the public eye are attractive has nothing to do with intelligent discussion and everything to do with this desire of yours to put others down.

 

I see right through your jabs and put downs of me and others here. Even despite your meager attempts to thinly hide behind them.

 

Really? Lol.

 

Hmm. At least in other threads regarding this issue, I encouraged what counterman has pointed out in this one --- if someone doesn't accept you, they aren't worth it anyway. Bottom line. I don't mind if someone looks upon me in such a way either --- if I can't accept them, I don't deserve them (and vice versa).

 

It's okay if you believe all of my comments have been solely to put others down via internet (although it's not true). Also, if you think your comments towards me are any better than mine towards you/others, you may want to look a little closer... (take solace, I think I am okay ), I'm alright with yours if you're alright with mine... hypocrisy isn't very sightly, though.

 

Confession : I only actually skimmed through some of your recent reply... I stopped at, " So the only way someone can be attracted to me is if they like little girls. " because I CLEARLY stated NOT THE ONLY WAY... and even provided other examples (obviously not every possible one, but... really?). I have a couple of ideas as to why you got "the only way"... but I don't want to crush your ego anymore than I apparently already have, so again, I leave it alone.

 

The point of this thread is that not all turn offs can be overcome with confidence. I may have been harsh with some of my replies, but it really rather blossomed into that because of merely trying to provide insight for stubborn/negative minds that were offended. Oh well. They'll live. Sometimes life is "tough", I'm sure each and every person has been overlooked for something that they regarded as shallow/meaningless but, it's just best not to take those things personally or yes, consider them as a tool to weeding out incompatible prospects. Not vehemently ooze out negativity ... negativity generates more negativity.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

It's okay if you believe all of my comments have been solely to put others down via internet (although it's not true).

 

Oh okay. Saying that sex with animals is as disgusting as sex with short men isn't a put down. Telling me that I probably do attract men that are pedophiles with a cute little "sorry" to begin that part of the conversation wasn't a put down either. Amoung the other insideous little slights you made throughout your posts. Excuse but I think you know exactly what you are doing.

 

 

Also, if you think your comments towards me are any better than mine towards you/others, you may want to look a little closer... (take solace, I think I am okay ), I'm alright with yours if you're alright with mine... hypocrisy isn't very sightly, though.

 

Yeah, I know my comments to you are better then the comments you made here to others. I didn't put anyone down. Including you. I called you out for the behavior you actively have displayed in this thread. My issue was never with your preference for attraction. My issue is with the insideous little jabs you've tried to work into the conversation covertly.

 

 

Confession : I only actually skimmed through some of your recent reply... I stopped at, " So the only way someone can be attracted to me is if they like little girls. " because I CLEARLY stated NOT THE ONLY WAY... and even provided other examples (obviously not every possible one, but... really?). I have a couple of ideas as to why you got "the only way"... .

 

Okay, you stopped reading my entire post (I don't personally really believe that but if you say so). All that tells me is that you're not interested in a dialogue.

 

Yes, you said that there are other reasons why a man might like a woman with small breasts. I did acknowledge that. However you did say this too, first, did you not:

 

"Some men may prefer small breasts because they like the little girl look. Sorry dear, but I've had older men come onto me since I was a little girl and I know of some of the dark and dreary things people get turned on by (unfortunately)."

 

If your going to make a comment stick with it.

 

...but I don't want to crush your ego anymore than I apparently already have, so again, I leave it alone

 

Yeah, you do that. You keep on preaching about how you're gonna leave something alone (taking the high road), only after you make the slight first. It would only be a good counter debate if it wasn't so obvious that that was exactly what you were doing.

 

Again, this is another example of your attempt to put someone down for no reason at all. There is nothing in my post even points to "crushing my ego". You can't handle the fact that I called you out for your double entendres.

 

 

I may have been harsh with some of my replies, but it really rather blossomed into that because of merely trying to provide insight for stubborn/negative minds that were offended. Oh well. They'll live. Sometimes life is "tough",,,

 

No, this isn't about you providing insight for people you describe "stubborn/negative"...pot meet kettle much? People are able to provide insight for people without being mean. It's like those people that take pride in "brutal honesty". Which usually has less to do with honesty and more to do with brutalness.

 

Take responsibility for your own words. Don't use the fact that life is tough as shield for you to be harsh to others. That's escapism at it's finest.

 

Not vehemently ooze out negativity ... negativity generates more negativity

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Said the woman that said that sometimes her words are harsh.

[OnyxSnowfall]

"All that tells me is that you're not interested in a dialogue. "

 

This is not productive and the point of it has eluded me (it is pretty apparent this isn't going to cease until I stop replying, and this will be my last reply to you). If "dialogue" equates into meaningless exchanges , I suppose I am uninterested in it and I apologize for ever having "engaged" in it with you.

 

You're throwing out all kinds of absurd assumptions that seem pointless to counter and I prefer exchanges to be ones of mutual enlightenment / someone involved being enlightened. This is not the case. Neither you nor me are benefiting from it (or maybe you are)... I certainly haven't learned anything of great worth and I just don't suppose you have.

Edited September 3, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall

[rafallus]

Uh... wow, Onyx... you are really a loose cannon, aren't ya?

 

First, you casually said something about not being attracted to dogs. A little weird that you came up with that, but I left it.

 

Then, you say something about women liking short and boyish guys being screwed in the head a little.

 

Now, you explicitly bring on (not) being aroused by short guys, comparing them to cats and camels (How do you come up with those examples? ****, why am I even asking this question? I don't want to know. This gets disturbing...)

 

Like Goldeneye said "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is an enemy action".

 

What I do have to say is "You're fun!" (and maybe that's why I don't counter)

Edited September 3, 2011 by rafallus

[OnyxSnowfall]

Wow, Onyx, you are really a loose cannon, aren't ya?

 

First, you casually said something about not being attracted to dogs. A little weird that you came up with that, but I left it.

 

Then, you say something about women liking short and boyish guys being screwed in the head a little.

 

Now, you compare sex with short guys to sex with cats and camels.

 

Really, I have no counterarguments to any of these. What I do have to say is "You're fun!"

 

, I'm glad you can have fun with it Rafallus

 

I am just curious though... (from the other thread mainly), in all honesty, what is your height? I promise not to pick on you if you're at or below what I've already divulged is my "cut-off"/what other women have divulged is theirs (or however it's seen...) in fact, I won't even reply to it if you'd rather I not. I wanted to, at least in part, fathom the general angst.

 

I already know what it's like to be repeatedly overlooked by males whom I was interested in, for not being physically apt enough to them (during adolescence... I have "ugly duck syndrome" )... but I don't know what it's like to garner hate over it. Now, maybe because my situation changed once I lost weight (primarily, I was a fat girl lol), I side-stepped that altogether. Maybe after years and years of rejection, bitterness and negativity is bound to unfold.

 

I don't think it's good for anyone to feel like they'll always be inferior over something they know they're powerless to change (and depending... even if they can change a physical aspect of themselves that is commonly perceived as a flaw... it may be better to just accept it)

 

What they "should" work on is changing that feeling... I can't stress perception enough. Nothing is that grim. Even if something is "popular" and or "common", there are always exceptions. And if someone is going to lie to themselves, it's better that they lie in a positive/beneficial way...

 

if someone "has" to defecate on truth in order to get over an insecurity, then I suppose that's what they have to do... but I'm not going to reinforce that method when it's challenged

 

I like the theme of "accept yourself and find someone who will accept you"... not "woe be me, people are shallow, stupid and foul".

[You'reasian]

( to look = get into ) **

 

also, any male under 5'8".

 

Check. Clear that. So I'm tall in your book?

Edited September 3, 2011 by You'reasian

[Yamaha]

IME, people who have such a strong emotional reaction to an event ( in this case, your (Onyx) lack of romantic interest to short men ) rarely can not let that emotion carry over to interests outside of said event.

 

Your comment that you can view short men as worthwhile in a non-romantic relationship seems preposterous. I wonder how many short men you actually have in a friendship role?

 

No need to respond. Just a comment from someone curious......