ThsAmericanLife Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 I actually disagree with this characterization. Assuming he didn't lead them on or anything, it is after all just a date, not a proposal. There's a good chance she was doing the same thing. Might as well just have fun with it. Ok, I can see your point... except... I was pretty selective about who I'd choose to go on a date with. I really do have better things to do with my time than spend my evening doing THAT kind of volunteer work (ie building some guy's confidence at my expense). Seem selfish on his part. Its the same thing as women who go on dates with men just to get a free meal. I bet he wouldn't like it if he were played that way.
ThsAmericanLife Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Good on you Givenup. You've employed an obviously successful strategy, so if it works keep it up. My advice to people struggling with getting replies is to always personalise your first message and I think I mentioned this to you myself amongst other things (your user name is familiar to me). So what you are doing is not only peaking their interest in you with your teasing, but you've personalised the message especially for them. You've also shown that you've read their profile....well at least it will appear to them that you have! It shows that you have made an effort and a lot of women who do on-line dating will appreciate that because they are so used to jerks and people who do generic or one line messages. You will be a breath of fresh air. IMO getting that initial response and getting them to communicate with you is the most difficult bit when it comes to the online dating part. The next step is to keep them interested and then score that initial first date. But that, in my experience, is a piece of cake. Its great that you want to encourage him.... You probably didn't catch the part where he said he was just after sex and intends to lie to the women he meets about his intentions.
Queen Zenobia Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Ok, I can see your point... except... I was pretty selective about who I'd choose to go on a date with. I really do have better things to do with my time than spend my evening doing THAT kind of volunteer work (ie building some guy's confidence at my expense). Seem selfish on his part. Its the same thing as women who go on dates with men just to get a free meal. I bet he wouldn't like it if he were played that way. Yup, me too. But guys and gals my age (mid 20s) seem to be into the whole "casual dating" phenomenon. So, the people who aren't going on these casual dates are sometimes way behind their peers. And it's not like they're going out with people that they're completely not into just for the practice. It's more like let's just have fun. I don't view it in quite the same way as the free meal thing. Because in that case one person clearly doesn't like the other at all, and there's money involved. Again, in a perfect world I'm with you. But things being as they are you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes.
ThsAmericanLife Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Yup, me too. But guys and gals my age (mid 20s) seem to be into the whole "casual dating" phenomenon. So, the people who aren't going on these casual dates are sometimes way behind their peers. And it's not like they're going out with people that they're completely not into just for the practice. It's more like let's just have fun. I don't view it in quite the same way as the free meal thing. Because in that case one person clearly doesn't like the other at all, and there's money involved. Again, in a perfect world I'm with you. But things being as they are you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. Yes, I get it now... my age is showing I've had 20+ years of 'target practice'... you kids are just getting started. Ok, carry on!
Zaphod B Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Its great that you want to encourage him.... You probably didn't catch the part where he said he was just after sex and intends to lie to the women he meets about his intentions. You're right, I didn't. Must have skimmed over it. In that case he's a lowlife creep and deserves to fail.
EnigmaticClarity Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 I disagree. Low quality is not a valid 'result'. Any loser can get 'results'. I know you've heard this before, so I'm just assuming it goes in one ear and out the other, but eh, I'll say it again--the experience of men on dating sites is quite different from that of women. Most women expect men to make the first move, and there are usually more men than women on the sites--sometimes as many as 2x or 3x as many--so no, not ANY loser can get results. Since he said he wasn't getting results, and you came back here with "any loser can get 'results'", you're implying he's less than a loser. Bravo, oh queen of tact and empathy.
EnigmaticClarity Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Approaching someone or anything, the way they want to be approached is a sign of consideration and shows sensitivity. Ever heard of that?? I give you chocolate pie, and you exclaim "WTF is this? I wanted CHOCOLATE PIE!"
Author GivenUp0083 Posted September 1, 2011 Author Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) Ok, I can see your point... except... I was pretty selective about who I'd choose to go on a date with. I really do have better things to do with my time than spend my evening doing THAT kind of volunteer work (ie building some guy's confidence at my expense). Seem selfish on his part. Its the same thing as women who go on dates with men just to get a free meal. I bet he wouldn't like it if he were played that way. As someone else pointed out, your bolded statement right there shows the difference between the experiences of OLD between men and women. You were MORE selective, I have found myself to be LESS selective if I wanted to get an opportunity to meet someone. Here's the question I would like to ask women. What's the better scenario: A. going out with a guy who didn't have the best photos, and seemed a little shy via email/text/phone, but you met him anyway and he turned out to be an awesome date, you have a blast, and end up dating a long time B. you become more and more selective, narrow down your criteria and only go out with men that fit that criteria, and still aren't able to find a man that wants a relationship with you or ends up being a dud on first date Scenario A has happened for me before, that was how I met my ex gf. Her pics were TERRIBLE and she sounded very shy on the phone. Our first 3 or 4 dates were probably the best dates I've ever had, because I didn't let a bad profile or emails turn me away. You're right, I didn't. Must have skimmed over it. In that case he's a lowlife creep and deserves to fail. Define "Lying to women"? Again, two scenarios, what's worse?: A. Bill is interested in a relationship, takes woman out to dinner, pays for cab, drinks, comedy show tickets, everything. She just met a guy the night before that she is really really interested in. Maybe she isn't that into Bill but decided to go out with Bill anyway because he asked a week ago and she accepted. She knows this won't go anywhere. It's friday night, she doesnt have anything else going on, she will be polite and respectful on the date, but knows that she won't entertain a relationship with Bill. B. Joe wants to have fun and meet new women. He just got out of a relationship and Joe would like to have a nice evening out, but would also like a sexual relationship. Not sleep around with every woman he can, but someone he can have fun with on a regular basis without a strong relationship committment. Joe pays for dinner, cab, drinks, comedy show, and the woman has a good time. She wants a relationship, but Joe doesn't know what she wants and doesn't ask, and doesn't tell her he is only looking to have fun and hook up. She has a great night out at his expense and they hook up and have sex. They stay in touch, maybe go out a few more times, have more sex, but when she asks about taking it a step further to a committed relationship, Joe tells her he likes where things are now and isn't looking for anything serious. Honestly, I'd love to know which is worse or if either one is ACTUALLY a bad thing or considered deceptive. Edited September 1, 2011 by GivenUp0083
irc333 Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 attractive women get so many emails Agreed there, lately I've been seeing women, even my age (late 30's) putting up risque photos of themselves in boob popping blouses, professionally done, similar to what you would see in any MAXIM magazine. Almost every single pic of them is in skimpy outfits, some look like something you'd see in a Miss Hawiian Tropic competition. lol Not that I don't mind looking at that, but I honestly think those women don't want to meet men online, just attention seeking and an ego boost. Because I've seen them on the site for a while now. If they ar THAT hot, they would've found someone by now esp OFF line
oaks Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Not that I don't mind looking at that, but I honestly think those women don't want to meet men online, just attention seeking and an ego boost. Because I've seen them on the site for a while now. If they ar THAT hot, they would've found someone by now esp OFF line Maybe they are hot but also psycho, and so can't keep a man from running away as soon as he figures it out.
fortyninethousand322 Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 As someone else pointed out, your bolded statement right there shows the difference between the experiences of OLD between men and women. You were MORE selective, I have found myself to be LESS selective if I wanted to get an opportunity to meet someone. I think this really goes back to the quantity of emails some women get in OLD. I know a lot of women get a lot of "hey you're hot" type of emails, but honestly I don't really have an opinion on those since I only control my own actions. I write emails that are specifically tailored to the girl's specific profile. The larger point though is that you're right. Guys generally have to be much less selective about who they write to on dating sites. Women, by shear number of options can be a lot more selective.
ThsAmericanLife Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 I know you've heard this before, so I'm just assuming it goes in one ear and out the other, but eh, I'll say it again--the experience of men on dating sites is quite different from that of women. Most women expect men to make the first move, and there are usually more men than women on the sites--sometimes as many as 2x or 3x as many--so no, not ANY loser can get results. Since he said he wasn't getting results, and you came back here with "any loser can get 'results'", you're implying he's less than a loser. Bravo, oh queen of tact and empathy. I prefer 'Queen of Tough Love' thank you very much! ... I've shown the OP quite a bit of empathy in some of my posts. I have zero empthathy for PUA or wanna-be PUA. Not only is it harmful to the women he is trying to target... it is not helpful for him in the long run. It also really pisses me off to see good men cheering him on in using some of these tactics... when he has already said he has no intention of sharing his relationship goals in advance. The PUA/golddigger routine is so appealing because it DOES produce results... of sorts... but they can't keep it up, so they spend lots of time on superficial fluff instead of working on their real issues. I've met plenty of men who 'happily' did this for years... getting lots of pats on the back from their guy friends who seem to enjoy living through them vicariously. Then wha-la... they hit their 40's-50's and oops!! not so great anymore. Fun times it ain't when your stuff doesn't work so well anymore and the chickies in their 20's call you 'Sir'. This is part of the male-garbage soup I'm currently swimming in... So, that is where I'm coming from. Scoring for the sake of scoring is not a valid result. That's my line and I'm sticking to it!!
ThsAmericanLife Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 As someone else pointed out, your bolded statement right there shows the difference between the experiences of OLD between men and women. You were MORE selective, I have found myself to be LESS selective if I wanted to get an opportunity to meet someone. Here's the question I would like to ask women. What's the better scenario: A. going out with a guy who didn't have the best photos, and seemed a little shy via email/text/phone, but you met him anyway and he turned out to be an awesome date, you have a blast, and end up dating a long time B. you become more and more selective, narrow down your criteria and only go out with men that fit that criteria, and still aren't able to find a man that wants a relationship with you or ends up being a dud on first date Scenario A has happened for me before, that was how I met my ex gf. Her pics were TERRIBLE and she sounded very shy on the phone. Our first 3 or 4 dates were probably the best dates I've ever had, because I didn't let a bad profile or emails turn me away. Define "Lying to women"? Again, two scenarios, what's worse?: A. Bill is interested in a relationship, takes woman out to dinner, pays for cab, drinks, comedy show tickets, everything. She just met a guy the night before that she is really really interested in. Maybe she isn't that into Bill but decided to go out with Bill anyway because he asked a week ago and she accepted. She knows this won't go anywhere. It's friday night, she doesnt have anything else going on, she will be polite and respectful on the date, but knows that she won't entertain a relationship with Bill. B. Joe wants to have fun and meet new women. He just got out of a relationship and Joe would like to have a nice evening out, but would also like a sexual relationship. Not sleep around with every woman he can, but someone he can have fun with on a regular basis without a strong relationship committment. Joe pays for dinner, cab, drinks, comedy show, and the woman has a good time. She wants a relationship, but Joe doesn't know what she wants and doesn't ask, and doesn't tell her he is only looking to have fun and hook up. She has a great night out at his expense and they hook up and have sex. They stay in touch, maybe go out a few more times, have more sex, but when she asks about taking it a step further to a committed relationship, Joe tells her he likes where things are now and isn't looking for anything serious. Honestly, I'd love to know which is worse or if either one is ACTUALLY a bad thing or considered deceptive. ok... I'm going to go back to the suggestion to refine your technique and suggest that, no, men don't have to take what they can get and lower their 'standards' at all. I would argue though, that what you'd consider a 'standard' might be a bit specious... and ask yourself what it is you THINK women want. You THINK all women want Mr. Gorgeous, Mr. Money Bags who buys them stuff. That is not true at all. Well, it may be true of some women... maybe even true for women in your area or OLD in general. But most women I know who are happily married did not hold that up as criteria. .... and I keep telling you that I don't... and so do other women... and you keep calling us liars. I don't want this post to be about 'me', so I'll refrain from offering the 'proof' that I'm actually telling the truth... My answers: 1. A) With OLD, I have agreed to meet men I've never seen pictures of and had a very good time. I never draw conclusions about romantic possibilities with a man until I've gone out with him at least twice... maybe three times. As long as he seems honest, sincere, we have mutual interests, etc, I'll give him a shot. 2. You've painted two extremes here. One is where the guy is an open wallet. The second is where you get sex by lying. In both cases, you have failed to communicate. Neither is appropriate... and a sign of immaturity. Like I said, I can't support your approach. It is situations like the above that make it harder for decent men in OLD, and the reason that women like me don't do OLD anymore. You seem determined to forge ahead with these so-called results... so go ahead. Sometimes experience is the best teacher. I'm done trying to coach you...
EnigmaticClarity Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 I have zero empthathy for PUA or wanna-be PUA. Not only is it harmful to the women he is trying to target... it is not helpful for him in the long run. It also really pisses me off to see good men cheering him on in using some of these tactics... when he has already said he has no intention of sharing his relationship goals in advance. It's completely healthy for both sides unless he does lie about his relationship goals, i.e. tells a woman he wants long-term but has no such intent. Learning PUA techniques with the intent of just finding one really good woman is fine...he said earlier he knows he can drop the PUA line because he knows that's not truly what he wants.
Imajerk17 Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) I'm not a fan of having these types of debates, like the one you are having with ThisAmericanLife. You simply want to have more power and choice in your dating life. That is fine, no further explanation needed. Meanwhile, I would avoid spending a lot of money on a girl early on. Make sure the dates inexpensive until you are sleeping with her. Read the threads from the women on here and about the guys they are obsessing over. Chances are, these guys weren't taking girls to comedy clubs and lalapolooza and whatnot early on. Whatever strategy you pick (to email women or whatever), there are always going to be some who say 'it will never work'. Don't argue with them, because they are right too. If 50% are responding to your messages, the other 50% are not, and some of them aren't responding because your approach didn't do it for them. So what, you can't please everyone. Just don't get married to one approach. The "neg" approach gets its power because it is unpredictable. If more guys do this and women sees these types of messages more, it will stop working with these women because it's become too obvious to them. Know how to mix it up. Edited September 1, 2011 by Imajerk17
Author GivenUp0083 Posted September 1, 2011 Author Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) ok... I'm going to go back to the suggestion to refine your technique and suggest that, no, men don't have to take what they can get and lower their 'standards' at all. I think you read what you want to see, not what I'm actually saying. I never said men HAVE TO do anything, I said many men end up lowering their standards just to get a date. I do not. I would argue though, that what you'd consider a 'standard' might be a bit specious... and ask yourself what it is you THINK women want. I just want someone who is flexible, caring, has a sense of humor, and can take care of herself. That's really all I care about. If she confuses me or plays games I get a little turned off, but besides that I just go with what kind of connection we have. You THINK all women want Mr. Gorgeous, Mr. Money Bags who buys them stuff. That is not true at all. Well, it may be true of some women... maybe even true for women in your area or OLD in general. But most women I know who are happily married did not hold that up as criteria. I think many women want legitimate things, or they think they do but then say things like "oh I don't know what I want". I'd conclude more that they don't know what they want more than I'd conclude they only want looks and money, but that's what ends up trumping everything else in the end. .... and I keep telling you that I don't... and so do other women... and you keep calling us liars. Well I don't doubt you believe it when you say it, I just think women change their mind so much or are so unsure about how they feel or what they want that is seems deceptive. I think women just don't know. My answers: 1. A) With OLD, I have agreed to meet men I've never seen pictures of and had a very good time. I never draw conclusions about romantic possibilities with a man until I've gone out with him at least twice... maybe three times. As long as he seems honest, sincere, we have mutual interests, etc, I'll give him a shot. Wait a minute....you just spent half this thread telling us how you are MORE selective in who you date from OLD and who you will respond to. Now you're trying to tell us you're open minded and don't draw conclusions about possibilities? You just told me if I take the PUA initial message approach then I will only attract stupid girls. Yet in the next breath you want to tell us you don't discriminate against emails/pictures/profiles. I'm calling BS on this one. See my paragraphs above about "lying". 2. You've painted two extremes here. One is where the guy is an open wallet. The second is where you get sex by lying. In both cases, you have failed to communicate. Neither is appropriate... and a sign of immaturity. Where did Joe lie? Tell me, where did he lie? You are assuming that meeting someone and going on a date that it must be assumed Joe wants a relationship. You just basically said it's Bill's fault for taking her on a date when he wanted a relationship, yet it's Joe's fault if he takes her on a date despite only wanting a casual/physical relationship...??? Come on, stop being ridiculous. You seem determined to forge ahead with these so-called results... so go ahead. Sometimes experience is the best teacher. I'm done trying to coach you... It's hard to learn from someone when their tune changes so much and there are so many discrepancies in your statements. Why don't you just flat you spell it out for us guys who do OLD exactly what we are supposed to do that will land us dates with these great women you talk about that are being discouraged over 100 emails a week from men wanting to take them out on dates. I'd love to hear a detailed plan. I'm not a fan of having these types of debates, like the one you are having with ThisAmericanLife. You simply want to have more power and choice in your dating life. That is fine, no further explanation needed. I just call BS when I see it, I'll do what I want regardless, I don't have to justify my actions, I just don't appreciate someone saying I'd be a liar if I don't spell out my exact intentions on date 1 yet it's also my fault for spending money on her before knowing if she wants a relationship with me or not. Meanwhile, I would avoid spending a lot of money on a girl early on. Make sure the dates inexpensive until you are sleeping with her. Read the threads from the women on here and about the guys they are obsessing over. Chances are, these guys weren't taking girls to comedy clubs and lalapolooza and whatnot early on. Trust me, I don't. Date 1 is always a drink at a quiet local bar. That way if it's not going well, I can leave after one drink, and if it goes well, we can sit and talk for hours. Just don't get married to one approach. The "neg" approach gets its power because it is unpredictable. If more guys do this and women sees these types of messages more, it will stop working with these women because it's become too obvious to them. Know how to mix it up. Women of this era need to be entertained by men, we have to get their attention somehow, and negative approaches seem to be more effective. If that's what it takes to get initial attention, I'll do it. Edited September 1, 2011 by GivenUp0083
grkBoy Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 So about a month back I wrote about how I was throwing in the towel on the whole Online Dating thing. I was trying to be sincere, took the time to read everyone's profile I had interest in, and composed a well written/thoughtful emails to women in hopes of starting a conversation and potential date. To no surprise, I was getting almost zero responses. Then someone gave me this advice: I have to admit my response rate in the last couple weeks has been probably about 40%. Now not all of them lead to long conversations or dates, but a few of them I lined up dates with, and at least it's a response. Some of them responded cautiously, just at short as my initial email consisting of just one line or so. But if they have interest they eventually warm up, write more and more, then are open to a date. Some flake out (it happens) but only one woman called me a jerk to which I responded "well your profile says you love sarcasm so clearly you need to update it". Honestly, all women are pretty messed up in how so many preach they want sincere emails, but let's face it: being sarcastic, cocky, oddly funny....much more in line with what women will respond to. I just wish I had take on this approach earlier. I'll let you guys know how the dates go soon! Interesting...I'm glad you're seeing success. Something to try.
Imajerk17 Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 TAL, you mentioned that you are in your mid-40's. Women that age tend to look for different things compared to women in their mid 20's to early 30's, the age GivenUp is looking to date, as he is in that age-range himself. Anyway, I definitely don't think women want great looks and a lot of money. I would even go so far to say that I think having those things can actually HURT you if you're a guy in the dating game. A good-looking guy with social skills is labeled a player, and if you are good-looking and don't have social skills, then you are in trouble. Your looks will be writing checks to women that your personality can't cash. An average-looking guy doesn't have these issues. I DO think that women are obsessed with this thing called "chemistry". It's unfortunate, because they end up making horrible decisions--writing off guys that could be great for them, and going for guys who are really bad for them. Read the threads on here written by the women. The guys who happen to be really good at this "chemistry" thing tend to be "bad boys". Anyway, THIS is why a lot of guys study all of this PUA stuff, to varying levels of effectiveness. So they can create this "chemistry" thing that women are addicted to.
fortyninethousand322 Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 TAL, you mentioned that you are in your mid-40's. Women that age tend to look for different things compared to women in their mid 20's to early 30's, the age GivenUp is looking to date, as he is in that age-range himself. Anyway, I definitely don't think women want great looks and a lot of money. I would even go so far to say that I think having those things can actually HURT you if you're a guy in the dating game. A good-looking guy with social skills is labeled a player, and if you are good-looking and don't have social skills, then you are in trouble. Your looks will be writing checks to women that your personality can't cash. An average-looking guy doesn't have these issues. I DO think that women are obsessed with this thing called "chemistry". It's unfortunate, because they end up making horrible decisions--writing off guys that could be great for them, and going for guys who are really bad for them. Read the threads on here written by the women. The guys who happen to be really good at this "chemistry" thing tend to be "bad boys". Anyway, THIS is why a lot of guys study all of this PUA stuff, to varying levels of effectiveness. So they can create this "chemistry" thing that women are addicted to. The bolded is 100% correct.
EnigmaticClarity Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 I DO think that women are obsessed with this thing called "chemistry". It's unfortunate, because they end up making horrible decisions--writing off guys that could be great for them, and going for guys who are really bad for them. Read the threads on here written by the women. The guys who happen to be really good at this "chemistry" thing tend to be "bad boys". Anyway, THIS is why a lot of guys study all of this PUA stuff, to varying levels of effectiveness. So they can create this "chemistry" thing that women are addicted to. How are men different when it comes to chemistry? I usually know within the first five minutes of meeting if I'm highly attracted to a woman. It can happen after that, but never to the same degree as the ones who immediately strike you. If their appearance or personality doesn't make an immediate impression upon you, you'll always regret it, or even when you're not actively regretting it, you'll simply be missing out on something you could have had but didn't hold out for. I felt no deep, instinctual attraction for two of my long-term relationships when I first met them, and I always regretted it at various times when I'd see other women who did turn me on. Every time I get pissed or disillusioned with my current girlfriend, I look at her and almost immediately forget why I'm pissed or disillusioned because of how much she turns me on.
FitChick Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 I read an article in Psychology Today on OLD where they had surveyed 10000 users, and I am fairly sure I read that 70% of men do not even get a date. The dissatisfaction level with OLD from both M and F was huge like 75% or more. That is probably due to having very high expectations. The Sweet Shop Mentality. All those men/women just for me!
Red Arremer Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 The larger point though is that you're right. Guys generally have to be much less selective about who they write to on dating sites. Women, by shear number of options can be a lot more selective. Hah, I posted almost this exact thing on another forum (that shall remain nameless) and got ridiculed to no end for it. That said, I agree with you.
ThsAmericanLife Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Wait a minute....you just spent half this thread telling us how you are MORE selective in who you date from OLD and who you will respond to. Now you're trying to tell us you're open minded and don't draw conclusions about possibilities? You just told me if I take the PUA initial message approach then I will only attract stupid girls. Yet in the next breath you want to tell us you don't discriminate against emails/pictures/profiles. I'm calling BS on this one. See my paragraphs above about "lying".. You have a very bad habit of misquoting people. Please show us all where I said I didn't discriminate against emails/profiles. In fact, I told you exactly what they said to invite me to respond. Read again. Your overall anger at women is pretty repulsive and plastered all over every one of your posts.
ThsAmericanLife Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 TAL, you mentioned that you are in your mid-40's. Women that age tend to look for different things compared to women in their mid 20's to early 30's, the age GivenUp is looking to date, as he is in that age-range himself. Anyway, I definitely don't think women want great looks and a lot of money. I would even go so far to say that I think having those things can actually HURT you if you're a guy in the dating game. A good-looking guy with social skills is labeled a player, and if you are good-looking and don't have social skills, then you are in trouble. Your looks will be writing checks to women that your personality can't cash. An average-looking guy doesn't have these issues. I DO think that women are obsessed with this thing called "chemistry". It's unfortunate, because they end up making horrible decisions--writing off guys that could be great for them, and going for guys who are really bad for them. Read the threads on here written by the women. The guys who happen to be really good at this "chemistry" thing tend to be "bad boys". Anyway, THIS is why a lot of guys study all of this PUA stuff, to varying levels of effectiveness. So they can create this "chemistry" thing that women are addicted to. Most people (men and women) doing OLD are obsessed with instant 'chemistry'. It is overly populated with people who believe in love at first sight and soulmate BS. Which is another reason I don't do it anymore. I've learned not to trust my first instinct when it comes to sexual attraction anymore. It is highly unreliable. Character isn't on the Periodic Chart... (get it? chemistry? Periodic Chart? yes, I'm a geek).
Imajerk17 Posted September 1, 2011 Posted September 1, 2011 Most people (men and women) doing OLD are obsessed with instant 'chemistry'. It is overly populated with people who believe in love at first sight and soulmate BS. Which is another reason I don't do it anymore. I've learned not to trust my first instinct when it comes to sexual attraction anymore. It is highly unreliable. Character isn't on the Periodic Chart... (get it? chemistry? Periodic Chart? yes, I'm a geek). Haha. Nice...
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