nyc_guy2003 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I never said there weren't bad restaurants for sushi in Japan (in fact, I said there were a few, and they weren't the cheapest, if you read everything I said). I simply said they had the best quality. Meaning: the best sushi quality fish in the world is found there, so you can get the best sushi there if you go to the right restaurant. I'm an American. I've got nothing against Americans as long as they aren't overly ethno-centric, and that goes for every country. So basically you're saying your blanket generalizations don't apply to...well, just about everything that you've blanketly generalized. At least we're making progress.
zengirl Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 So basically you're saying your blanket generalizations don't apply to...well, just about everything that you've blanketly generalized. At least we're making progress. No, I'm saying the same thing I always said: The best sushi in the world is not in NYC. For SURE. Japan has better sushi than NYC. For SURE.
nyc_guy2003 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I suppose you think New York has better crab cakes than Baltimore... I suppose you think India has better rice than America...
nyc_guy2003 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 No, I'm saying the same thing I always said: The best sushi in the world is not in NYC. For SURE. Japan has better sushi than NYC. For SURE. And I can say that NYC has better sushi than Japan for SURE and be making the same generalization. Again, that is your opinion and not a fact. Japanese sushi may be the best for you, but it is definitely not the best for everyone else. Not even close. That is the one thing for SURE.
nyc_guy2003 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 Also: There aren't LOTS of restaurants in Japan that serve poor sushi because they couldn't stay in business since Japanese people are, naturally, pickier about sushi than other cultures. Just as you don't find loads of crap wine in Italy or France. No one would buy it. Unless you've eaten at every sushi restaurant in Japan, you are in no position to make that (yet another) generalization.
Mimolicious Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I suppose you think New York has better crab cakes than Baltimore... Oh now, you are hurting my feelings. :lmao: I'm STARVING!!! My uncle was there for the week, we asked him to bring us some and he was evacutated yesterday. Guess what I am not having?! FML! :(
Queen Zenobia Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I suppose you think India has better rice than America... Depends. We talking about Uncle Ben's or the Basmati I can buy from Costco? Look, I get what you're getting at, but if a certain food originated in a certain place or geographic region, it's usually best to give deference to the original, not the imitation. Not that the imitation is automatically the worst food ever made, but it's still not the original. Anyway, how did this thread get derailed like this?
nyc_guy2003 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 NYC, seriously you are def living up to the stereotype of NYC attitude. STFU already!!!!! I'm dizzy now... You want to tell other people that their opinion doesn't dictate anything yet want to sit here and try to one-up everyone? Geez... I need a drink! PHILLY----- HOW ARE THOSE PHILLY CHEESE STEAKS!?!?!? *pause* You're the one who is always trying to get in the last word even though you haven't really offered any comments of value at all. And when you have to resort to writing "STFU" you've already lost the debate. And again another ignorant generalization comment about NYC attitude. Try to experience life a little before pretending to be the authority on something.
zengirl Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 Unless you've eaten at every sushi restaurant in Japan, you are in no position to make that (yet another) generalization. I would never eat at a place in Japan that has bad sushi for the reason I mention above (Japanese people wouldn't eat there! Why would they when they can get cheap, high quality sushi all over the place?). I speak Japanese. I have relatives and friends in Tokyo. The places in Japan that serve less-than-stellar sushi (again, this is quality, not talking about what particular style you like)? Everyone knows about them, and they either don't last or locals aren't their customers. Well, not everyone. But everyone who's like me and asks people stuff like that. I guess some people don't ask around about restaurants before they eat there.
AmEricanWomann Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 Good points. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people make silly generalizations based on lack of information. Agreed, except what I said about Jews and cream cheese, that's absolute fact...Put it in anything and we'll think its delicious. I once made gefilte fish dip for a party. Gefilte fish, for those of you dont know are those white balls or logs of chopped fish, usually carp, suspended in jars of grayish jelly or liquid. Not the most appetizing thing in the world, but everyone was raving about my dip. They wanted to know what made it taste so rich and decadent...My answer of course, was cream cheese.
Mimolicious Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 And I can say that NYC has better sushi than Japan for SURE and be making the same generalization. Again, that is your opinion and not a fact. Japanese sushi may be the best for you, but it is definitely not the best for everyone else. Not even close. That is the one thing for SURE. And THAT is YOUR opinion, NYC. Not a fact.Are you the spokesperson for "EVERYONE" who eats Sushi in NYC? Can't have it both ways, baby. Can't be going around telling everyone else their opinion in irrelevant and inaccurate, yet yours is a "fact" and accurate. You are starting to sounds like you are at a sandbox. "Neh neh neh neh neh!!! :pI know more than you do and your bucket of sand in not from the best sand, mine is." So whack! I must say, this is entertaining. I still want to know where is Philly and how is he planning on fundind his future date.
nyc_guy2003 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I would never eat at a place in Japan that has bad sushi for the reason I mention above (Japanese people wouldn't eat there! Why would they when they can get cheap, high quality sushi all over the place?). I speak Japanese. I have relatives and friends in Tokyo. The places in Japan that serve less-than-stellar sushi (again, this is quality, not talking about what particular style you like)? Everyone knows about them, and they either don't last or locals aren't their customers. Well, not everyone. But everyone who's like me and asks people stuff like that. I guess some people don't ask around about restaurants before they eat there. So take this practice and try it in this country. Maybe then you might stop dining at tourist traps and find some restaurants that don't actually suck.
nyc_guy2003 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 And THAT is YOUR opinion, NYC. Not a fact.Are you the spokesperson for "EVERYONE" who eats Sushi in NYC? Can't have it both ways, baby. Can't be going around telling everyone else their opinion in irrelevant and inaccurate, yet yours is a "fact" and accurate. You are starting to sounds like you are at a sandbox. "Neh neh neh neh neh!!! :pI know more than you do and your bucket of sand in not from the best sand, mine is." So whack! I must say, this is entertaining. I still want to know where is Philly and how is he planning on fundind his future date. Another post full of...nothing relevant at all. Has anyone ever verified that this person is not just a troll that auto-generates personal attack posts without adding any substantive value to any discussions?
zengirl Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 So take this practice and try it in this country. Maybe then you might stop dining at tourist traps and find some restaurants that don't actually suck. I do. I don't dine in tourist traps here either. As I said, I'm a foodie. But you can't get the same quality of fish here because it has to travel. . . I don't know why the geography/quality thing blows your mind. As I said, the sushi place we ate at recently had reasonably decent sushi. But it doesn't have the quality or freshness you find in Japan. . . because of where we live.
nyc_guy2003 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I do. I don't dine in tourist traps here either. As I said, I'm a foodie. But you can't get the same quality of fish here because it has to travel. . . I don't know why the geography/quality thing blows your mind. As I said, the sushi place we ate at recently had reasonably decent sushi. But it doesn't have the quality or freshness you find in Japan. . . because of where we live. I would agree with this if this was 1950. In 2011 there is virtually no difference in food quality owing to storage/transportation issues.
leftfordead2 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 And THAT is YOUR opinion, NYC. Not a fact.Are you the spokesperson for "EVERYONE" who eats Sushi in NYC? Can't have it both ways, baby. Can't be going around telling everyone else their opinion in irrelevant and inaccurate, yet yours is a "fact" and accurate. You are starting to sounds like you are at a sandbox. "Neh neh neh neh neh!!! :pI know more than you do and your bucket of sand in not from the best sand, mine is." So whack! I must say, this is entertaining. I still want to know where is Philly and how is he planning on fundind his future date. You have wonderful reading comprehension skills. /end sarcasm
zengirl Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) I would agree with this if this was 1950. In 2011 there is virtually no difference in food quality owing to storage/transportation issues. There is a HUGE difference when you're dealing with fish that is best served raw and on the same day it's caught. There is also still a difference with various meats and produce, though it's been lessened, of course. But the fresher the food needs to be to be at its peak, the more of an issue it is. Nowadays more in flavor than in health, thankfully. But that's why American rolls are often more "creative"---it covers up the loss of quality and freshness of the fish. What you're speaking of is why we can even have decent sushi that won't make you sick on the East Coast, but it's never going to be the quality you can get in Japan until we can teleport it. And even then, who knows what early teleporation tech will do to the molecules of food? (Granted not all sushi fish is transported that far, but the best quality fish for it is far away. So the best quality fish either has to travel far and fast or you get a lesser quality fish. Either way, if you live right next to where the best quality fish is caught. . . you're eating better sushi. That's just. . . common sense.) Edited August 26, 2011 by zengirl
Mimolicious Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 Another post full of...nothing relevant at all. Has anyone ever verified that this person is not just a troll that auto-generates personal attack posts without adding any substantive value to any discussions? Phahahhaah! Since you've been here for like few months and have 500+ messages and I've been around since a few years.... there goes your answer. Who is personally attacking anyone? You feel attacked by me? Oh, my sincere apologies. But my post have no substantive value and nothing I say is relevant, so why are you mad? Auto-generates posts? What do you think this is? Twitter? As a matter of fact... I'm going to go have some lunch, thanks for the inspiration. Sushi it is.
nyc_guy2003 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 There is a HUGE difference when you're dealing with fish that is best served raw and on the same day it's caught. There is also still a difference with various meats and produce, though it's been lessened, of course. But the fresher the food needs to be to be at its peak, the more of an issue it is. Nowadays more in flavor than in health, thankfully. But that's why American rolls are often more "creative"---it covers up the loss of quality and freshness of the fish. What you're speaking of is why we can even have decent sushi that won't make you sick on the East Coast, but it's never going to be the quality you can get in Japan until we can teleport it. And even then, who knows what early teleporation tech will do to the molecules of food? (Granted not all sushi fish is transported that far, but the best quality fish for it is far away. So the best quality fish either has to travel far and fast or you get a lesser quality fish. Either way, if you live right next to where the best quality fish is caught. . . you're eating better sushi. That's just. . . common sense.) Disagree, but that's why they're called opinions and not facts. You're entitled to think one place has better sushi than another, just as much as I'm entitled to think another way, as long as none of us try to naively pass off one location's food as the ultimate best food ever for SURE.
nyc_guy2003 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 Again, STFU! I've lost nothing, unless you are one of the tickers in my portfolio. Actually, I am born and mostly raised in NYC. So......................NEXT! This is where the out-of-towners say "Those NY'ers! So cocky! They think they have the best of everything in the world". Gosh, I hope this is not the way you handle arguments with your W. You sounds like you have grandiosity issues. (HUGS) Try to experience life a little on the wild side, loosen up a bit! Pretending to be the Castro of the Sushi world could be toxic, babe. Mercury and all that... Why don't we get back to Philly!? It is his thread. If you're from NYC and have such a limited concept of culture here then that means you must not get out of the house much. Try it sometime, you'd be surprised at how much this city has to offer. Much better use of your time than sitting at home in front of your computer all day coming up with non-sensical "facts".
zengirl Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 Disagree, but that's why they're called opinions and not facts. You're entitled to think one place has better sushi than another, just as much as I'm entitled to think another way, as long as none of us try to naively pass off one location's food as the ultimate best food ever for SURE. You're the one who started this with your "unarguably best sushi" stuff. All I said was East Coast sushi sucks, yes, but I have clearly outlined why I believe it does. It's not as fresh or as close or as high a quality, by the very geography of where I am. That is all factual. So, there are plenty of facts AND opinions in my statement. Whereas yours is purely based on your opinion and your weirdo rahrahrah NYC attitude.
leftfordead2 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 Phahahhaah! Since you've been here for like few months and have 500+ messages and I've been around since a few years.... there goes your answer. Who is personally attacking anyone? You feel attacked by me? Oh, my sincere apologies. But my post have no substantive value and nothing I say is relevant, so why are you mad? Auto-generates posts? What do you think this is? Twitter? As a matter of fact... I'm going to go have some lunch, thanks for the inspiration. Sushi it is. Man, an empty vessel sure makes the most noise...
Mimolicious Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 Disagree, but that's why they're called opinions and not facts. You're entitled to think one place has better sushi than another, just as much as I'm entitled to think another way, as long as none of us try to naively pass off one location's food as the ultimate best food ever for SURE. BUt wait... This whole Sushi throw down started because you said: I eat sushi 3-4 times a week and have had it all over the world and NYC has unarguably the best sushi in the world.
Mimolicious Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 Man, an empty vessel sure makes the most noise... So does Sock's, right? Ain't that a b!tch!
nyc_guy2003 Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 You're the one who started this with your "unarguably best sushi" stuff. All I said was East Coast sushi sucks, yes, but I have clearly outlined why I believe it does. It's not as fresh or as close or as high a quality, by the very geography of where I am. That is all factual. So, there are plenty of facts AND opinions in my statement. Whereas yours is purely based on your opinion and your weirdo rahrahrah NYC attitude. If East Coast sushi sucks then why do you continue to eat it? So either you're a hypocrite or you're exaggerating your opinion to make it sound more informed than you really are. Taste is not a matter of fact, it is a matter of opinion. You would sound very foolish if you continued to assert that your opinion of what tastes good and what doesn't is a fact for everyone else. There are millions of people who find NYC sushi the best in the world, it doesn't make their OPINION any more correct than yours. Again I'm not sure if it's a cultural issue for you to have such arrogance and misguidedness.
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