Woggle Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 That is all I am saying. I never denied that there were good women but there are also users and men need to be taught how to look out for them. You are also right about women being mad about being painted in a negative light. Men here all the time about deadbeat dads, rapists, cheaters and how men are dogs but let somebody say that not all women are sweet and innocent and all hell breaks loose.
Woggle Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 I didn't read this before I posted. Interesting that you blame the mothers, while I read the same quote and thought "This is such great insight that could help my boy!" For the record, in my experience, fathers and society impart a lot of the "must put girls on a pedestal" mentality. The mothers I know are pretty protective of their boys--overprotective, the men around us would say. This would work if most men had a steady father figure in their life which many do not.
thatone Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 For the record, in my experience, fathers and society impart a lot of the "must put girls on a pedestal" mentality. The mothers I know are pretty protective of their boys--overprotective, the men around us would say. fathers do that to daughters. divorced mothers do that to women in general. big difference.
Untouchable_Fire Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 That's something I never considered! "Sugar and spice and everything nice," right? Women have been socialized to screen for users and losers. Men, otoh, may be blindsided the first time they are used by a woman. He may even recieve quite a blow to the ego, considering this isn't the way it is "supposed" to be for guys. Thanks for that insight. It'll be useful as a parent! This is actually a huge deal. The first girl that really screws you over just hits you from out of left field. I was fairly well conditioned to protect women... and that's how I see myself. To have that turned against you is hard to get over. It creates it's own kind of PTSD. I didn't read this before I posted. Interesting that you blame the mothers, while I read the same quote and thought "This is such great insight that could help my boy!" For the record, in my experience, fathers and society impart a lot of the "must put girls on a pedestal" mentality. The mothers I know are pretty protective of their boys--overprotective, the men around us would say. I think most mothers who are overprotective do it in a female sort of way. Meaning they don't let their sons play football because they may get hurt, wont let them join the army... ect. I don't see too many mothers trying to emotionally protect their boys from girls. The whole Oprah style "yes dear" culture needs to die. It's disrespectful to the woman and turns the man into and overgrown child. Instead we need to teach boys to do the right thing themselves and when the woman is wrong to put their foot down and be as a stone. I've been through the "yes dear" phase. At this point my automatic default response is NO... and everyone around me including the women I've been with are much happier for it.
xxoo Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 fathers do that to daughters. divorced mothers do that to women in general. big difference. Fathers do that to sons, and society does that to boys, imo. We had an incident in our neighborhood this summer. A boy punched a girl (both elementary aged). None of the dads in the neighborhood cared why he hit her; they just wanted to put the fear of life in the kid. It was the mothers who cared about the boy's point of view.
Untouchable_Fire Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Fathers do that to sons, and society does that to boys, imo. We had an incident in our neighborhood this summer. A boy punched a girl (both elementary aged). None of the dads in the neighborhood cared why he hit her; they just wanted to put the fear of life in the kid. It was the mothers who cared about the boy's point of view. My father wanted it to be unconditionally understood that there is no acceptable reason for hitting a girl. None! Which is good because doing that is an instant jail sentence in many cases. Asking the kid why gives him the idea that this rule is conditional. As if provided the correct rationalization it's Ok to smack women around. The most abusive men I've ever met had either an abusive father, or no father.
GoodOnPaper Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 That is pretty significant and then popular media etc. makes out Like having a hot girlfriend is just about the only way to have fun besides blowing things up. That would explain a lot of disillusionement. When guys are young, they quickly develop the following association: the hotter the girlfriend, the better the sex life will be. Is this a universal truth? If not, then if you want guys to look at dating, sex, and relationships differently, THIS is the message that has to be debunked in the minds of teenage boys. Of course women do exactly the same thing. They say they want a relationship but then consider the "relationship guys" to be secondary sex options to those good looking enough for ONSs and FWBs. I don't think I will ever unravel that paradox . . .
phineas Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Of course women do exactly the same thing. They say they want a relationship but then consider the "relationship guys" to be secondary sex options to those good looking enough for ONSs and FWBs. I don't think I will ever unravel that paradox . . . Whelp, I got tired of being "relationship guy" & now i'm ONS & FWB guy. I kinda like this side of the fence. I think, in the fall i'll try sitting on the fence & see how that goes.
sally4sara Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 because even those mens' mothers will give them a speech straight from oprah about how they should "yes dear" every suggestion a woman makes and the women they meet can do no wrong. only when those men grow up and realize that even their mother was full of sh*t do they figure it out. because such a mentality is specific to women, that's what woggle is saying. This is such a specious argument with no purpose other than finding something to place blame on your favorite target. It has always been easier for me to gain approval from fathers than the mothers. It would be the opposite way if what you said above was true.
dreamingoftigers Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 I didn't read this before I posted. Interesting that you blame the mothers, while I read the same quote and thought "This is such great insight that could help my boy!" For the record, in my experience, fathers and society impart a lot of the "must put girls on a pedestal" mentality. The mothers I know are pretty protective of their boys--overprotective, the men around us would say. I think over the last couple of generations there has been a great deal of effort in trying to get men to understand women more and to be honest, I wasn't given much of an education about men because my mother to this day knows **** about them and my father is too busy getting loaded to check-in and do some mentoring. I suspect with all of the broken homes over the last 30 years that there is a huge failure in relations and understanding of the opposite-gender parent. And since plenty of lone parents were and are single Moms, they will want to push the "greater understanding and acceptance of women" onto their boys as well as try to empower their girls in an attempt to help them avoid creating the broken homes that they were raised in. I can see how the chapter on men in the Book of Love could easily be skipped or wrongly interpreted. And popular media does not seem to try and understand men as much as it encourages women to seek men that fit their agenda, cater to men or ignore them completely and become a career dynamo. Meanwhile it also pumps up this ridiculous paradigm of masculinity, like men are sarcastic, inconsiderate, violent, hyper-sexual and in domestic settings not as bright or reasonable or honest as your wives for comedy's sake etc. Basically to the media, you are overgrown primates: ha ha ha, how very funny. I can't imagine trying to overcome that paradigm is any easier than the one we have been given in the media.
PJKino Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 The biggest problem is that men aren't made aware of, anywhere near to the same degree that women are, that there are actually bad people of the opposite sex out there. And what compounds this even more is that women have a bigger issue about being painted in a negative light than men do. In other words, some men can be bad - we "all" get this. But newsflash, so can some women too, but few are made aware of this and that's often to the detriment of many men unfortunately. case. . Great point,its probably why you see so many nice guy/why do women like jerks threads its like some Men cant see maybe the women is an actual jerk herself and is mroe comaptible wtyh another jerk,some Men have this innocent naive view of women as some helpless innocent creatures when a lot of them can be quite vicous and cruel
Woggle Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Great point,its probably why you see so many nice guy/why do women like jerks threads its like some Men cant see maybe the women is an actual jerk herself and is mroe comaptible wtyh another jerk,some Men have this innocent naive view of women as some helpless innocent creatures when a lot of them can be quite vicous and cruel Very true. In most of these cases the men and women end up with exactly who they deserve.
SteveC80 Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 lol i dont see it this way at all,if anything women are more coddled then Men in terms of being able to vent about the opposite sex
Pyro Posted August 23, 2011 Posted August 23, 2011 The gender haters are equal. The only difference is the man are more blatant. A misogynist is usually not afraid to tell you he hates women but misandry is a very subtle thing. There are women who swear they don't hate men but if you dig deeper you can see they at least don't like us very much. the topic of this thread is about the people here on LS. I am talking about just the people here on LS. You are referring to the world as a whole. The misogynists outnumber the misandrists on here by a large amount and there is no denying that.
EgoJoe Posted August 23, 2011 Posted August 23, 2011 Pyro, I really don't like your last statement. I challenge you to prove it in a double blind scientific study.
Sanman Posted August 23, 2011 Posted August 23, 2011 the topic of this thread is about the people here on LS. I am talking about just the people here on LS. You are referring to the world as a whole. The misogynists outnumber the misandrists on here by a large amount and there is no denying that. I don't know how you guys could keep tabs on such things. There are certainly a number of each on LS, but I have no idea about the breakdown as some are more vocal than others.
Woggle Posted August 23, 2011 Posted August 23, 2011 the topic of this thread is about the people here on LS. I am talking about just the people here on LS. You are referring to the world as a whole. The misogynists outnumber the misandrists on here by a large amount and there is no denying that. It applies on here as well. There are some women who swear they don't hate men but let us have a heated debate and the misandry starts creeping out.
phineas Posted August 23, 2011 Posted August 23, 2011 the topic of this thread is about the people here on LS. I am talking about just the people here on LS. You are referring to the world as a whole. The misogynists outnumber the misandrists on here by a large amount and there is no denying that. Then compose a list of all male & female users & tell us which category they fit in. I personally would like to see tally myself.
rafallus Posted August 23, 2011 Posted August 23, 2011 the topic of this thread is about the people here on LS. I am talking about just the people here on LS. You are referring to the world as a whole. The misogynists outnumber the misandrists on here by a large amount and there is no denying that. Uh, well... I have a shocking and novel idea. I will probably be stoned for being a charlatan, but who cares: How about ignoring misandrist and misogynist idiots, starving them for attention and talking with people you deem sensible?
sally4sara Posted August 23, 2011 Posted August 23, 2011 the site is chock full of man hating ladies. i'm a 47 year old virgin and theres nothing your gender hates more. I hate rapists, child molesters, and war criminals more. I dislike conservatives, hypocrites, rednecks, and spoiled people with and over blown sense of importance more. That you are 47, a virgin, and believe this makes you something hated by women does not make me hate you at all. It, all by itself, doesn't make me feel anything about you. It does make me think you believing women hate you makes sense. In your mind we sleep with everyone we don't hate. I assure you a simple lack of hate is not going to land you in anyone's bed. No one is owed sex. I wouldn't put you in the straight up misogynous category tho. You're more like people who are a bit racist because they have very little experience with a particular ethnicity. Its called being ignorant. I don't hate ignorant people. I mostly waffle back and forth between feeling bad for them and being mildly annoyed by them. Maybe the women you meet are just mildly annoyed by you?
sally4sara Posted August 23, 2011 Posted August 23, 2011 Uh, well... I have a shocking and novel idea. I will probably be stoned for being a charlatan, but who cares: How about ignoring misandrist and misogynist idiots, starving them for attention and talking with people you deem sensible? *Chucks a big ole rock* Phineas is def in the misogyny category and he knows it. Its why he is asking.
sally4sara Posted August 23, 2011 Posted August 23, 2011 rapists, child molesters, war criminals arent stigmatized like i am when it comes to getting sex. I'm not going to bother with you if you really believe the above. People don't listen once they've reached the point of exaggeration. They don't want to, they get high off the complaint itself and like a junkie need to exaggerate their plight more and more to get satisfaction.
KR10N Posted August 23, 2011 Posted August 23, 2011 I'm not going to bother with you if you really believe the above. People don't listen once they've reached the point of exaggeration. They don't want to, they get high off the complaint itself and like a junkie need to exaggerate their plight more and more to get satisfaction.The dude is a troll. All his posts prove it.
phineas Posted August 23, 2011 Posted August 23, 2011 *Chucks a big ole rock* Phineas is def in the misogyny category and he knows it. Its why he is asking. Am I? Or are you afraid of showing up on the list also? I just watched you defend women who take advantage of men by trying to say all people take advantage of other people and they should be avoided. erm ok. But, I noticed you stopped responding when I brought up the woman's use of sexuality to sponge drinks off men or to just plain use them. care to explain that? Or do you think that doesn't happen? Hmmm?
sally4sara Posted August 23, 2011 Posted August 23, 2011 Am I? Or are you afraid of showing up on the list also? I just watched you defend women who take advantage of men by trying to say all people take advantage of other people and they should be avoided. erm ok. But, I noticed you stopped responding when I brought up the woman's use of sexuality to sponge drinks off men or to just plain use them. care to explain that? Or do you think that doesn't happen? Hmmm? Quote where I said the bolded above. I'm not even sure what you're accusing me of to be honest. And most people on here know me as being someone who believes everyone should pay for their own expenses no matter what their gender. Go ahead and scour my every post if you'd like; we shouldn't hear from you for a few days - after you give up.
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