dreamingoftigers Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 It shocks me more how much we have in common instead of how different we are.
Woggle Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Do people really not notice that the women are just as bad here?
thatone Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 (edited) Women have needs too. It just seems on this site, people want women to back down from their needs to suit the man. Even if the man is in the wrong. This isn't 1955. putting sexy pics on facebook is not a NEED. it's a WANT, and an incredibly stupid and selfish one at that. and as for women catching hell on this site, you should consider it a boon. men say everything on here that they're thinking but don't say without anonymity. and the anti-women things that men say, a good majority of it is in response to women defending terrible behavior from other women simply because they're women. .. except most of the 50's bias comes from posters born between 80's and the 90's blame fox news Edited August 22, 2011 by thatone
Woggle Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 After reading some posts on here I realize why some women on here struggle so much in their relationships with men. They can't relate to men as people or empathize with us at all. How can you expect to have a successful relationship with a man if you can't relate to us as a human being?
DeusExMachina Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 I wonder if it has anything to do with a lot of these girls growing up in a divorced household living with mom while dad is forced by law to foot the bill. I think the real issue is not the courts but the divorced parents and families that try to "one-up" the other side by showering the children with gifts. They grow up understanding love=gifts. Requiring a court to step in to ensure a parent lives up to their financial obligations to their own children is sad. I think both sexes are treated about the same. I have seen some nasty posts directed at men from women and visa-versa. We read these posts though filters of our own lives. We notice things that are more offensive when the hit closer to home and over look things that have no real relevance it you; however, those irrelevant posts may mean something to someone else. Plus, any forum has its share of trolls that delight in the act of pissing ppl off. Best to ignore them then to react, you just make them feel more important by responding.
phineas Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Example # 1. WOW! amazing analysis. You've got me convinced.
phineas Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Do people really not notice that the women are just as bad here? Not the women. As a man I relay my own personal experiences & apparently women think I make it up or i'm "bitter". I work in two separate buildings at my job with literally hundreds of women. Been doing it for 10+ yrs. I see & hear what goes on in their personal lives & how they interact with their male co-workers. They want to be treated equally yet still expect men to pay for the dates. They can't to brag about how they got some guy to spend money on them over the weekend. (these are the younger ones) Ever happy hour after work the majority of women who work the same jobs as their male co-workers and make the same pay seem to think the men should buy them drinks. And the dumb-asses do it. Blows my mind.
phineas Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 I think the real issue is not the courts but the divorced parents and families that try to "one-up" the other side by showering the children with gifts. They grow up understanding love=gifts. Requiring a court to step in to ensure a parent lives up to their financial obligations to their own children is sad. I think both sexes are treated about the same. I have seen some nasty posts directed at men from women and visa-versa. We read these posts though filters of our own lives. We notice things that are more offensive when the hit closer to home and over look things that have no real relevance it you; however, those irrelevant posts may mean something to someone else. Plus, any forum has its share of trolls that delight in the act of pissing ppl off. Best to ignore them then to react, you just make them feel more important by responding. I honestly don't know what the issue is however lots of young female co-workers these days seem to think It's my job to buy their drinks at happy hour because they got a vagina. (here come the bitter remarks. LOL!) I've had women that barely talk to me at work literally hound me to buy them shot at happy hour. WTF?!? I usually just walk away after I get my beer & talk to one of the older women so they stop annoying me. IDK.
phineas Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Your sarcasm = not cute. Really? Cause chicks dig it.
sally4sara Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Not the women. As a man I relay my own personal experiences & apparently women think I make it up or i'm "bitter". Its not that we think the "bitter" men are making up their experiences. Its that when they talk about the awful behavior that was experienced, they think it was because of their gender. Some people are just rotten. But you don't think of women as being in anyway like you; just another person. So if you meet a rotten person and they are female, you can't help but get angry at the gender rather than THAT specific person and what they did to hurt you. Take notice the next time some guy really makes you mad. You won't be on here making a thread titled "why do men do (whatever)?" and it won't be a rant about the male gender because you won't think what he did to upset you was due to his gender. Now why would that be??????????
sally4sara Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 good for you bro. I have seen that way too often, don't ever let a women take advantage of you. Like this right here; Why should you let anyone take advantage of you? Whats the need for specifying a gender here? If a man takes advantage of you its all cool? I guess even men love jerks yeah?
Woggle Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Its not that we think the "bitter" men are making up their experiences. Its that when they talk about the awful behavior that was experienced, they think it was because of their gender. Some people are just rotten. But you don't think of women as being in anyway like you; just another person. So if you meet a rotten person and they are female, you can't help but get angry at the gender rather than THAT specific person and what they did to hurt you. Take notice the next time some guy really makes you mad. You won't be on here making a thread titled "why do men do (whatever)?" and it won't be a rant about the male gender because you won't think what he did to upset you was due to his gender. Now why would that be?????????? Because many of these experiences are based on gender issues in modern relationships. I don't think that women and men are that different by nature but society molds us into very different people and many men are expressing their frustrations at what is obviously a very common thing in today's world. Why is this such a bad thing. Are the women who get offended that sensitive that they get offended simply by men venting about our experiences? Sometimes I think that some of the women here think men on this forum should simply shut up and say what women want to hear.
phineas Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Its not that we think the "bitter" men are making up their experiences. Its that when they talk about the awful behavior that was experienced, they think it was because of their gender. Some people are just rotten. But you don't think of women as being in anyway like you; just another person. So if you meet a rotten person and they are female, you can't help but get angry at the gender rather than THAT specific person and what they did to hurt you. Take notice the next time some guy really makes you mad. You won't be on here making a thread titled "why do men do (whatever)?" and it won't be a rant about the male gender because you won't think what he did to upset you was due to his gender. Now why would that be?????????? Well, since most of my experiences I post about are how women used to or tried to use sex to manipulate, attention whore, lead on, use me ect. I think if a man tried to do those things i'd still post. It would just be very,very,very confusing posts.
sally4sara Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Because usually a guy doesn't expect another guy to buy him drinks. That it seems, is exclusively a woman's domain. This is not the only way or even the worst way for anyone to take advantage of you. Seriously that is small potatoes. Just don't buy drinks if it makes you this uncomfortable. Its hard to lend sympathy over something no one is forcing you to do. If the worst thing you have to complain about is people expecting you to buy them a drink for them - something you don't have to do - consider yourself lucky.
phineas Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 This is not the only way or even the worst way for anyone to take advantage of you. Seriously that is small potatoes. Just don't buy drinks if it makes you this uncomfortable. Its hard to lend sympathy over something no one is forcing you to do. If the worst thing you have to complain about is people expecting you to buy them a drink for them - something you don't have to do - consider yourself lucky. It isn't just that. A LOT of women try to use their sexuality to take advantage of guys and they succeed. why? cause men want the sex & they think their going to get it because of the way the woman is flirting with them.
AHardDaysNight Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 I feel frustration at my situation, but it's not at the female posters. They're not the ones who treat me like a leper, they don't even know me!
sally4sara Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Because many of these experiences are based on gender issues in modern relationships. I don't think that women and men are that different by nature but society molds us into very different people and many men are expressing their frustrations at what is obviously a very common thing in today's world. Why is this such a bad thing. Are the women who get offended that sensitive that they get offended simply by men venting about our experiences? Sometimes I think that some of the women here think men on this forum should simply shut up and say what women want to hear. They get offended when how you relay your experiences is all about demonizing a gender instead of the person who hurt you. I keep telling you poor behavior is just poor behavior. It isn't worse or better depending on the gender of the person behaving poorly. So when you pin it on gender you are pinning it on a lot of people who did nothing to you. You don't like it when women talk about oppressive history and paying men back because you hate the idea of taking the blame for things you didn't do - right? Yet you cannot see women getting upset over you blaming gender for what you experienced and how you advise other men as being the same thing you don't like happening to you. Why do you think that is?
Woggle Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 I never advocated men making women pay for other's sins but men need to be careful these days. There are good women but the wrong one can ruin your life. Also women are just as bad on this forum when it comes to hating men so how come nobody calls them out?
sally4sara Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 I don't consider myself lucky, I consider myself smart enough not to let anyone take advantage of me. However with women some times not letting them take advantage of you means acting rudely. For example, I went out this weekend, I shared a cab with 3 women (1 being my GF and the other 2 her friends). I paid for the entire cab ride. Neither of the 2 friends even offered to split the bill they just got out of the cab as soon as it stopped. I don't mind paying for my GF but what about the other 2 who aren't my friends? How do I not let them take advantage of me without being rude to them? If it was a guy, he would have offered to split the bill or buy me a drink. This happens every weekend, only with women. Make friends with them, you can negotiate things like this better with people who are friends. How this works is usually an understanding I have with some of my friends: If I need to get from point A to point C and it costs $X, and my friend needs to get from point A to point B (a point between A & C) then I don't expect them to pay anything. Whether they hoped in with me or not I will still have to pay $X to get to point C. I'm not going to waste the mental energy it take to work myself up to a point where I believe I was taken advantage of by them when it cost me not a bit extra over what I'd pay without dropping them at point B.
sally4sara Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 I never advocated men making women pay for other's sins but men need to be careful these days. There are good women but the wrong one can ruin your life. Also women are just as bad on this forum when it comes to hating men so how come nobody calls them out? Here again you discredit me and others. There are good people but the wrong ones can ruin your life. I and others DO call them out. You're just never satiated by it enough to remember or notice it. Will it ever be enough for you Woggle? Are you waiting for us all to kill your mother to prove something to you?
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Woggle Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Here again you discredit me and others. There are good people but the wrong ones can ruin your life. I and others DO call them out. You're just never satiated by it enough to remember or notice it. Will it ever be enough for you Woggle? Are you waiting for us all to kill your mother to prove something to you? There are some women who do but I see threads where men get crapped all over but the minute a man says something to defend his gender he is a misogynist.
sally4sara Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 There are some women who do but I see threads where men get crapped all over but the minute a man says something to defend his gender he is a misogynist. Have you ever considered that some of the criticism you notice is just criticism of THAT person and what THEY did and not the male gender as a whole? You cannot tolerate a woman criticizing a man. It is always an attack on him, men in general, and you for some reason I cannot understand. And at that end - there is no reason for some guy to come in and defend the male gender as a whole. Not all criticism is sexist just because it comes from the opposite gender. It helps not at all to muddy it up with your weird gender war.
Pyro Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 It seems that any time a man speaks honestly about what we go through in the relationship world instead of telling women what they want to hear we are called a misogynist. There are just as many man haters on this forum but nobody seems to notice. you need to follow your own advice and read more posts on here. The woman haters outnumber the man haters by a large margin on here. In general women are more able to talk to people in real life about relationship issues, whereas men hide it and go somewhere where they can hide their identity, loveshack for example. In conclusion the women do catch alot of hell on here because there is no shortage of bitter men on here.
sally4sara Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Firstly, these women aren't my friends, they are acquaintances, I might see once in a couple of months. I have no desire to befriend these flaky women. Then perhaps you don't know them well enough to write them off. Secondly that may work for you but, I can guarantee that the vast majority of 20 and 30 something women don't work that way. They expect the guy to pay. They never even offer to split the bill. I am sick of it. And here you do exactly what you complained about; you doubt MY experiences and suggest they are nigh miracles that one should never hope to witness. What? Do you think I'm making this up now? Tell me what am I supposed to do? Guys never pull this kind of stuff. Guys will always offer to pay or at worst buy me a drink once we get inside the bar. The only way I can prevent this is to be rude and ask them to pay up. When the cashier asks you to pay for your groceries, are they being rude? I hate when women take advantage of guys this way. That is why I was happy phineas doesn't allow himself to be used in the same way. If a guy was doing this (and yes I have had guy friends needing to get to point B who did not pay or offer) would it make you AS mad and would you feel AS taken advantage of? If you witnessed a guy getting "taken advantage of" in this way, would you oooooh just hate it?
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