Do women age worse than men?

[ptp]

I think what I primarily was objecting to was the stance that XXX is "clearly" true because of YYY that is NOT science.

 

It is certainly fine to form a hypothesis; until data are collected, nothing is proven or disproven.

 

BUT it makes me cringe when I see people claiming things are fact that are not fact. People making up "facts" (which are generally, from what I've observed, merely strongly held opinion) to bolster their viewpoints - particularly on various gender issues - is one of the most egregious offenses, IMO, on loveshack.

 

Keeping an open mind is a good thing. Objectivity is even better. The post that I objected to was rife with assumptions that are not science. That is not keeping an open mind. Just because something is not proven does not make it a good idea to assume it's true until it is (or isn't). That's really all I was trying to say. I don't deny that biology is important in attractiveness - that would be foolish. But to suggest that it's all biology is equally so.

 

In my opinion, people generally prefer to say that something that they know will be an unpopular opinion is a "fact" so that they can avoid responsibility for thinking it or saying it. (To wit, "sorry ladies, it's just science.") It's easier to blame unpopular ideas on "biology" or "evolution" than on personal preferences or societal trends, because who could argue with biology? It just is.

 

I guess I just think that's kind of cowardly.

 

I now have a better understanding what you were trying to say. Yes biology isn't everything but, the influence of biology on who we find attractive is undeniable.

 

I feel lots people, regardless of reason (biology, society, personal preference), think that an older man wanting to be with a younger woman is okay. Why do you think that is an unpopular idea(disregarding the actual reasoning behind this line of thought)?

[serial muse]

I now have a better understanding what you were trying to say. Yes biology isn't everything but, the influence of biology on who we find attractive is undeniable.

 

I feel lots people, regardless of reason (biology, society, personal preference), think that an older man wanting to be with a younger woman is okay. Why do you think that is an unpopular idea(disregarding the actual reasoning behind this line of thought)?

 

Hm...I don't think that people have a problem with what any individual decides to do. It's a blanket statement of "nobody will want you past a certain age" that's hurtful. It's probably, in part, that there are a lot of 35+ women on this forum - and, whether or not it's true in the actual dating marketplace, it certainly feels like a blanket rejection of their attractiveness due to a factor completely outside of their control, followed by an insincere "sorry, but suck it up." There's an implication that older women, if they are not paired up, deserve what's coming to them. Even though, of course, in many cases, they may have had some trauma themselves that led to this point. Or they may simply not have found the right person. But there's a "it's your own fault, and now you're old and nobody will want you" implication that feels so unnecessary.

 

I guess it's hard to know what the point of that kind of statement is, in that context...just to make people feel bad? No one can make herself younger. Who knows any individual's situation or why she might be single, so why say such a thing? I don't really understand it.

 

For what it's worth, I'm 40 and also paired up happily. So it's not exactly that I have a horse in this race, or that I don't. I just empathize. And, to be honest, I just have a bee in my bonnet about people misusing science.

Edited August 12, 2011 by serial muse

[ptp]

Hm...I don't think that people have a problem with what any individual decides to do. It's a blanket statement of "nobody will want you past a certain age" that's hurtful. It's probably, in part, that there are a lot of 35+ women on this forum - and, whether or not it's true in the actual dating marketplace, it certainly feels like a blanket rejection of their attractiveness due to a factor completely outside of their control, followed by an insincere "sorry, but suck it up." There's an implication that older women, if they are not paired up, deserve what's coming to them. Even though, of course, in many cases, they may have had some trauma themselves that led to this point. Or they may simply not have found the right person. But there's a "it's your own fault, and now you're old and nobody will want you" implication that feels so unnecessary.

 

I guess it's hard to know what the point of that kind of statement is, in that context...just to make people feel bad? No one can make herself younger. Who knows any individual's situation or why she might be single, so why say such a thing? I don't really understand it.

 

For what it's worth, I'm 40 and also paired up happily. So it's not exactly that I have a horse in this race, or that I don't. I just empathize. And, to be honest, I just have a bee in my bonnet about people misusing science.

 

I empathize with that I really do; I don't really know what to say to make up for my posts. I will just share my experience.

 

I don't have what one would call an attractive face. I don't have a square jaw, blue eyes or high cheek bones. Forget 35 I have rarely if ever felt wanted by women. Like age, an attractive face is completely out my control and was decided by my genes. However, I deal and try not to get angry or bitter at my situation.

 

There was poster who posted a pic of herself and claims to be 41. Well she is >35 and pretty. I know I couldn't someone that looks like her even though I am > 10 years her younger. I couldn't attract her at 21 I can't attract her now at 41 I won't be able to attract her in 20 years when she is 61. But by 81 ...if her eyesight starts go .

 

I have had female acquaintance tell me to my face not to ask a girl out because "she was out my league". Well that was years a go and that comment still sticks with me. I do know how hurtful people's comments can be.

 

So when I posted anything in this thread it wasn't meant to hurt anybody or make anybody feel bad, it was just what was in my head at the time. Maybe I should have censored myself a little more.

Edited August 13, 2011 by ptp

[Negative Nancy]

I think actually it can be sexy!! Jeremy Pivan, JP from the bachlorette are both HOT!!! Tom Cruise aged well, and so did Helen Mirren I can't remember where I read it but a magazine named her the hottest over 50 body and I agree!! She has taken amazing care of herself!

 

no one beats christie brinkley at 57 (!!!)

 

 

http://www.elfanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/christie_brinkley2.jpg

 

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gEKchVnfJOg/Th3c9dnKgEI/AAAAAAAAETQ/DaS5jgA-NtA/s1600/christie-brinkley-2011-Annual-Tony-Awards11.jpg

 

 

http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2011/06/25/previews/Christie%20Brinkley-JWA-002206.jpg

 

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Around+Park+City+2009+Sundance+Film+Festival+2-bYEPnfHayl.jpg

 

 

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Christie+Brinkley+65th+Annual+Tony+Awards+qd-hmtcDL2gl.jpg

 

 

...her surgeon, if she had one, is a genius for such fantastic work ...what a goddess ...i hope to look that good in 30 years

[xoxoDaniellexoxo]

Not just for over 50s! She has just been voted Body of the Year against women half her age

 

http://news.sky.com/home/showbiz-news/article/16041172

 

 

Thanks for finding the link!! This is exactly what I read, and on top of that she isn't like a lot of women who have scandals she is SOOO classy all the time!! Her, Meryl Streep and Audrey Hempburn are my idols!! Love them all!! Elizabeth Taykir aged well too!! She was GOREGOUS!! I think on certain men balding dosn't work but I think you have to be SUPER confident to rock that look! Kind of like when women have shorter hair ( I finally cut mine again).

[D-Lish]

no one beats christie brinkley at 57 (!!!)

 

 

http://www.elfanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/christie_brinkley2.jpg

 

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gEKchVnfJOg/Th3c9dnKgEI/AAAAAAAAETQ/DaS5jgA-NtA/s1600/christie-brinkley-2011-Annual-Tony-Awards11.jpg

 

 

http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2011/06/25/previews/Christie%20Brinkley-JWA-002206.jpg

 

 

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Around+Park+City+2009+Sundance+Film+Festival+2-bYEPnfHayl.jpg

 

 

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Christie+Brinkley+65th+Annual+Tony+Awards+qd-hmtcDL2gl.jpg

 

 

...her surgeon, if she had one, is a genius for such fantastic work ...what a goddess ...i hope to look that good in 30 years

 

true, she looks great.

 

All I can tell you is that I take care of myself (41)- I look young for my age- and men my age look like my dad or my uncle.

[Negative Nancy]

true, she looks great.

 

All I can tell you is that I take care of myself (41)- I look young for my age- and men my age look like my dad or my uncle.

 

yes, d-lish, you do look great!! and at least 15 years younger.. i bet you're still gonna be a bombshell at 60 if you keep up whatever you're doing right now..

 

i hope to look as good as you when I turn 41...

and cee looks great too...my bf guessed you at around 28, go figure...

[Nexus One]

All I can tell you is that I take care of myself (41)- I look young for my age

 

I don't often agree with people when they say they look younger than they are, but I agree with you D-Lish.

[jerbear]

In a response to a previous thread I stated a possible reason men prefer younger women is that most women IMO age worse than men. Yeah there are exceptions to the rule and some men age badly and I don't want offend the ladies but what do you all think?

 

I think it is the genes.

 

Dana Delany aged very well, she was born in 1956.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Delany

It links to her personal site also.

[Nexus One]

Out of curiosity, what exactly are people doing to look younger? I've heard about the standard things like, don't smoke, don't drink, use SPF, anti-wrinkle creams, plastic surgery, but beyond that it's a "mysterious" world for me. Do those anti-wrinkle creams even work?

[mortensorchid]

The main key to keeping yourself looking good is to keep your weight down. I used to weigh 40 lbs heavier than I am now, when I lost it people said, aside from complementing me on the loss, was "You look younger". That was a rather hard lesson to learn, because if you get fat people do not take you seriously, whether you are talking about your professional or personal life.

 

As for other things, pay attention to your appearance. Be it clothes, hair, make up, etc. for women. In general, women do age worse than men do. And I do believe it's harder for women to keep their weight down. However, you have to make it a priority in life, like it or not. Do you want to be happy or do you want to be right?

[D-Lish]

I don't often agree with people when they say they look younger than they are, but I agree with you D-Lish.

 

I have good genes- and it helps that I haven't had kids. When I tell people my age they are always shocked. I look after myself though- I stay really thin, I work in fashion, But I do get botox once and a while.

 

I don't know how I managed to keep looking a bit younger for so long, because I've been an on again off again drinker, and a sometimes smoker- and some of my pics are from when I was 38- and range until I turned 41.

 

When I do a search on my dating site for men my age, I just feel disappointed. They truly do look like my dad.

 

I just want to find a dude my age that takes care of himself in the same way I do... And that's hard to find.

[mortensorchid]

Out of curiosity, what exactly are people doing to look younger? I've heard about the standard things like, don't smoke, don't drink, use SPF, anti-wrinkle creams, plastic surgery, but beyond that it's a "mysterious" world for me. Do those anti-wrinkle creams even work?

 

Anti-wrinkle creams do work. But, do not think that just because something is labeled as such that it will actually work to take away wrinkles. Anything that is greased (whether it's skin on your face or otherwise) will look brighter and smoother. Using a moisturizer will do this, but don't go for some outrageously expensive designer cream because it will do the same job as the cheaper stuff.

 

And cellulite cream? Don't even bother with that. Studies have shown every brand of that, from the most expensive to the cheapest, does NOTHING to reduce cellulite. (Remember - cellulite is fat under the surface of the skin, while the wrinkles are on the surface of the skin) ALL THE PHOTOS FROM THOSE ADS ARE AIRBRUSHED.

[Woggle]

I have been told by people that I look better now at 32 than I did when I was 25. When I was 25 I looked pretty scary to be honest but I have since taken good care of myself.

 

I won't post pictures but my ex used to be downright beautiful and the last picture I saw of her 31 she just looks like hell right now. She looks like she is pushing 50.

[D-Lish]

Out of curiosity, what exactly are people doing to look younger? I've heard about the standard things like, don't smoke, don't drink, use SPF, anti-wrinkle creams, plastic surgery, but beyond that it's a "mysterious" world for me. Do those anti-wrinkle creams even work?

 

For women, I think it has everything to do with having kids.

Having children ages women in a lot of circumstances.

 

Not all- mind you...

[jerbear]

For women, I think it has everything to do with having kids.

Having children ages women in a lot of circumstances.

 

Not all- mind you...

 

I would have to add the foods they eat. Many of the older hotties I've encountered ate more vegetables than red meat. They ate healthier, worked out, used sunscreen, didn't do to much tanning, and took care of stress. They took care of themselves.

[Disillusioned]

Men are like wine - some turn to vinegar, but the best improve with age.

 

Men age like wine, but women age like milk.

[tigressA]

For women, I think it has everything to do with having kids.

Having children ages women in a lot of circumstances.

Not all- mind you...

 

I definitely agree. Most of the girls in my HS graduating class who already have at least one child (I graduated 6 years ago) look quite haggard for their age now.

[Disillusioned]

I would have to add the foods they eat. Many of the older hotties I've encountered ate more vegetables than red meat. They ate healthier, worked out, used sunscreen, didn't do to much tanning, and took care of stress. They took care of themselves.

 

All of the older hotties I've encountered looked great but had terrible tempers and HUGE egos. Not attractive.

[D-Lish]

I would have to add the foods they eat. Many of the older hotties I've encountered ate more vegetables than red meat. They ate healthier, worked out, used sunscreen, didn't do to much tanning, and took care of stress. They took care of themselves.

 

JB I've smoked and drank, and ignored sunscreen... I'd say I've abused my body. I used to slather on Crisco oli and bake in the sun for hours...

 

I've met my biological mom- and she really does look old... I must have gotten genes from my unidentifiable father.

[zengirl]

I would have to add the foods they eat. Many of the older hotties I've encountered ate more vegetables than red meat. They ate healthier, worked out, used sunscreen, didn't do to much tanning, and took care of stress. They took care of themselves.

 

I'd say this.

 

I don't think necessarily popping out a kid ages you (several? probably), but being a Mom probably does in many cases. I think part of why my Mom stayed young looking for so long is that I never cried and she rarely had to get up at night to tend to me. (I was a WAY easygoing baby.)

 

But I think diet, sleep, and moisturizing/exfoliating are keys. Sunscreen/tanning as well. And stress is a big aging issue. Just look at how many years someone ages when they serve a term as President. They always look 10 years older after the first term.

 

I feel like persistent lack of sleep is huge, though. People who sleep loads seem to age more slowly. D-Lish and Cee, do y'all usually get good sleep? My mom always slept at least 8 hours a night and catnapped on weekends.

[Kamille]

Men age like wine, but women age like milk.

 

And who doesn't love cheese?

[D-Lish]

Men age like wine, but women age like milk.

 

You're dissolution is glaring in this debate.

[jerbear]

And who doesn't love cheese?

 

You mean... Got MILF? :lmao:

 

Talking about sleep... time to ZZZZZzzzz;)

[johan]

And who doesn't love cheese?

 

Don't you mean cottage cheese?