donnamaybe Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Wow, I think this is really true. Well said. I like being treated as much as the next person, and I know my guy likes being treated too. There can be great joy in treating someone to something, or in having someone give you the gift of a delicious dinner. But it's the expectation of it, the assumption that someone has to pay/receive or somehow be less male/female, that is the problem, IMO. Takes a lot of the joy of out giving and receiving.Right on! I keep waiting for June Cleaver to weigh in. lol And what kind of gal needs a lot of money to get ready for a date? Well, maybe it costs a lot if you need to cover up a whole lot of ugly.
Sanman Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Wait, you wear heels? There is a one inch heel on my dress shoes as there are for most guys. No need for lifts as I am plenty tall.
LoveandSuch Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Yeah we are only in it for ourselves. I can't remember the last time anyone but me cooked, cleaned, or did my laundry for me. I emotionally support my gf. If you want to put a helmet on and be run over by a 300 lbs line backer, be my guest. Better you than me! Yeah, there are a lot of scary 300 lb scary women out there, huge and ugly with little chin hairs, and could most likely take a punt or two, and these are the women paying for first dates.
zengirl Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 First of all, to whoever said it: I don't see why a housekeeper is a terrible option. My roommates and I have a lady who comes twice a week to do the bathroom and floors for us. It's not like she lives here and folds our underwear for us, but we all chip in to make life a little easier (it's not very expensive even!). Why would you criticize someone for employing others and helping the economy while maximizing their own time? Some shorter guys wear "lifts". I doubt they are nearly as painful as what women wear . Yeah. Lifts are not heels. They don't slant you at an unnatural angle and give you all sorts of bone problems. (I don't wear heels, so I'm not martyring myself here or anything. Just sayin') But I now have this amusing image (not that I know what he looks like) of Sanman in stilettos.
LoveandSuch Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 First of all, to whoever said it: I don't see why a housekeeper is a terrible option. My roommates and I have a lady who comes twice a week to do the bathroom and floors for us. It's not like she lives here and folds our underwear for us, but we all chip in to make life a little easier (it's not very expensive even!). Why would you criticize someone for employing others and helping the economy while maximizing their own time? Yeah. Lifts are not heels. They don't slant you at an unnatural angle and give you all sorts of bone problems. (I don't wear heels, so I'm not martyring myself here or anything. Just sayin') But I now have this amusing image (not that I know what he looks like) of Sanman in stilettos. Prince boots! Now there is a man who I would pay a date for, if he is wearing his make up and heels, it is dutch!
ptp Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 But I now have this amusing image (not that I know what he looks like) of Sanman in stilettos. IMO Sanman is a man of such strong conviction that he would cross dress and then go on a date with a guy and pay just to show LoveandSuch what that looks like . (just kidding)
LoveandSuch Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 There is a one inch heel on my dress shoes as there are for most guys. No need for lifts as I am plenty tall. This has me laughing out loud! This is good! We all need to laugh.
ThsAmericanLife Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Just pay for your own meal...what is so evil about that? ditto. I personally despise women who expect to be catered to... makes things tougher for women like me who never have and never will sponge off a man just because I have tits and a vagina and happen to know how to throw a meal together.
Tim Drake Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 He wasn't an ex, it was just a date. He asked me out and planned the date, than when the bill came he didn't have any money. So I had to pay for it. I didn't go out with him again. Then you come here and wonder why men are tired of a lot of these women, today.
Woggle Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 I never mind treating my wife and buying her stuff but to say it is my job to be a walking wallet because I am a man is just absurd. There are also many men who would love to be more sensitive and not have to be the macho man but many women are not attracted to that.
musemaj11 Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 If ony I could speak Dutch, I would just move to the Netherlands where everyone expects to go Dutch. So no confusion.
Sanman Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 First of all, to whoever said it: I don't see why a housekeeper is a terrible option. My roommates and I have a lady who comes twice a week to do the bathroom and floors for us. It's not like she lives here and folds our underwear for us, but we all chip in to make life a little easier (it's not very expensive even!). Why would you criticize someone for employing others and helping the economy while maximizing their own time? Yeah. Lifts are not heels. They don't slant you at an unnatural angle and give you all sorts of bone problems. (I don't wear heels, so I'm not martyring myself here or anything. Just sayin') But I now have this amusing image (not that I know what he looks like) of Sanman in stilettos. Hey I can work it...and they make my ass look great!
musemaj11 Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 If there are two healthy adults in one home, a housekeeper is not necessary. I shake my head, when I see notice that many in my generation of wives, are spoiled and entitled princesses. So a man should support a woman, but she should not have to clean?? How selfish! When I need extra money, my husband gladly provides it. If I need a drive, he takes me with a smile and lovingly caresses me in the car. At Christmas, I receive beautiful jewelery and he takes me on getaways. Yeah, I think I can keep the bathroom and dishes clean for all those joys! Yup, it sucks to be a man these days. Indeed the irony of the women who think its the job of a man to pay is that they would turn around and balk at the idea that its the job of a woman to do household chores. For them sexism only goes one way.
Tim Drake Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Yup, it sucks to be a man these days. Indeed the irony of the same women who think its the job of a man to pay is that they would turn around and balk at the idea that its the job of a woman to do household chores. For them sexism only goes one way. And if you tell them no one damn time half of them will go and cheat for 7 months to a year and then tell their cuckolded BF that they want to break up.
Disillusioned_Wife Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 I don't expect it, even if I wasn't working. It's not obligatory at all. It's like that saying goes: "I don't want your presents, I want your presence" I don't expect a guy to 100% always take care of his woman in the sense of paying for everything and anything. It's a two way street for me. With hubby I tend to buy him the gifts that he'll use - the 4x4 truck last summer, a mini system (that we both use) computer for his deejaying, a new pair of headphones or his Nikko 450 amp and pre-amp he uses to deejay with (and loves, he's what people refer to as a "stereophile") but I don't expect those kinds of gifts back either. The person has to want to do those things without resenting it (sic because it's always expected). I give these things to him because I want to not because I'm expected to. He does the same for me, a qosmio laptop to replace my dying acer laptop for example. He didn't have to, but he wanted to. I find most of the things we give each other we end up benefiting together with too. I also prefer the more non -materialistic things. His presence, a great conversation, emotional intimacy and sharing *himself* with me.
LoveandSuch Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 ditto. I personally despise women who expect to be catered to... makes things tougher for women like me who never have and never will sponge off a man just because I have tits and a vagina and happen to know how to throw a meal together. Whatever, no one is talking about sponging off a man, we were talking about a man paying for a date. I pay for my own housekeeper twice a week and I pay for my own luxury car. I pay for most of my luxuries but I still expect a man to pay for a date. If and when I become desperate for dates, I will start paying to date men.
Art_Critic Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 and now the bitter women haters get to post..hahaha You guys are something else...
musemaj11 Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Whatever, no one is talking about sponging off a man, we were talking about a man paying for a date. I pay for my own housekeeper twice a week and I pay for my own luxury car. I pay for most of my luxuries but I still expect a man to pay for a date. If and when I become desperate for dates, I will start paying to date men. What do you do for a living? Collecting money off rich ex-husbands alimony?
Sanman Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Whatever, no one is talking about sponging off a man, we were talking about a man paying for a date. I pay for my own housekeeper twice a week and I pay for my own luxury car. I pay for most of my luxuries but I still expect a man to pay for a date. If and when I become desperate for dates, I will start paying to date men. And yet, you call me cheap and in a dating 'cess-pool' for not needing to be desperate enough to have to pay for a woman. Hmmm... Hi pot, I'm kettle...you are also black.
LoveandSuch Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 And yet, you call me cheap and in a dating 'cess-pool' for not needing to be desperate enough to have to pay for a woman. Hmmm... Hi pot, I'm kettle...you are also black. Men pay for dates. Sorry you hate the rule, but it is how it is for the majority of men, what makes you so special that you should not have to conform. I know you wear heels, but still.
LoveandSuch Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 What do you do for a living? Collecting money off rich ex-husbands alimony? No, I actually have a job Maj.
Woggle Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Men pay for dates. Sorry you hate the rule, but it is how it is for the majority of men, what makes you so special that you should not have to conform. I know you wear heels, but still. I rarely ever paid for dates and I had women coming back for more. I pay when we are in a relationship but until then I am very stingy.
Sanman Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Men pay for dates. Sorry you hate the rule, but it is how it is for the majority of men, what makes you so special that you should not have to conform. I know you wear heels, but still. I'm a rule breaker baby...a bad boy... and we all know women love us bad boys. Where is this rule? Is it in a book because I haven't seen it. Does it also have the rule that women need to put out after date number 3? If so, I hope you are putting out. Don't want to break the rules. I find it hilarious that this is your only defense for your beliefs.
LoveandSuch Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 I rarely ever paid for dates and I had women coming back for more. I pay when we are in a relationship but until then I am very stingy. What is the point? There is someone for everyone, if these girls enjoy you being cheap and stingy, their choice. I choose to only date men who are not hung up on these issues, any issues for that matter. My choice. If they want the woman to pay, then they need to choose elsewhere.
zengirl Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 I rarely ever paid for dates and I had women coming back for more. I pay when we are in a relationship but until then I am very stingy. Did you go dutch on your first date with your wife?
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