All the Qs about women, let's talk men

[ptp]

'women' or 'woman'... if your goal is to get as many women as possible, then by all means... use 'game' and manipulation. That is a whole lot easier than becoming someone that is genuinely attractive... and not in a bad way or in a way that makes others feel bad or used.

 

If you are looking for one good 'woman', then you might have to get used to being alone for awhile.

 

I'm a woman, BTW. I'm used to being alone now for long stretches between relationships.. I'd prefer it not be that way, but I have my eye on the prize.. a happy, healthy partnership with someone I care about and who cares about me. I could play men if I wanted to. I'm told I'm very attractive all of the time. I have a PhD (not stupid).

 

There is no reason to be upset about the 'games'. Everyone is looking for something. It's all a dance... It's life.

 

What if a guy isn't attractive? I can't remember the last time a woman called me handsome, I think it was an old neighbor who was like 78. I can workout, lose weight, dress nicely and still not be considered attractive.

 

There was a thread regard FWBs were multiple women stating that they could have a different man in their bed every night. How many guys can have a different woman in their bed every night? Not many.

 

Women have way more opportunities than guys and I am a proponent of guys using any and all ethical methods to increase their opportunities.

Edited August 6, 2011 by ptp

[LoveandSuch]

I see unattractive couples everywhere. I see attractive couples as well as the mismatched attractive-unattractive couples everywhere. What does this have to do with my post.

[Professor X]

LoveandSuch, where did all this hate come from? Weren't you inlove (probably still is) with a wonderful man? Didn't expect such generalization from you.

[Woggle]

Read women's message boards and you will see that women are just as bad. There are tons of boards where women proudly cheat on their husbands.

 

I do sympathize with you but I think men are sick and tired of being the loving and faithful nice guy and getting played left and right. I know tons of men who want nothing more than a loving and happy relationship with a woman and yet these are the men who constantly cheated on and treated like garbage. Just look at the divorce forum where you see tons of loving and faithful husbands who were chewed up and spit out by their wives.

 

I would bet my house that many of the men on those forums were not always that way. You treat a good guy like a sucker to be played and this is what they turn into.

[dasein]

So I am assuming you are a PUA participant. Who do you think are going to be the actual women that fall for the BS and allow a man to treat her with push-pull, what ever BS, it is going to be BPD women and all the other crazy women, who are the only women apparently by reading the message boards, that these men can actually game, sarge, f-close, and use.

It is a pretty ****ty way to live and view life, particularly women.

Thank you for collaborating and cementing my thoughts, that because you have been shunned by women, that you are now taking this fact, as a reason these men fall back on these idiotic, thoughtless tactics of using women.

I can tell you a quality woman will never fall for these tactics or be quick to learn she is being played and will drop kick you fast and hard.

 

If it didn't work, and work on LOTS of women not just psycho women, it wouldn't be a multimillion dollar industry with men as customers. You see men are different than women, we approach the world with experimentation until we find what works as opposed to trying to talk something into being true that isn't. Women are gullible. They fall for psychics, astrologers, tarot, crystals, all manner of new agey BS (are all the women who fall for that junk "crazy?"), and those things are the exact same as lots of PUA techniques. Their vanity allows them to be fooled in ways that men find unbelievable until they actually lose out with a girl to some guy employing those methods. Believe me when I tell you, normal men would much much rather deal with women in a straightforward, reasonable, rational way, but as stated, women respond more to hokey BS of all flavors.

 

It's funny to see how angry women get about these techniques, when for the most part, they boil down to icebreakers. Also, women today, lots of them want to get laid, to be sold, to get fooled a little. It helps them shift the blame and guilt the next day to the conniving PUA and maintain their own self-image. Keep believing that PUA and seduction are something that "men do to women" as opposed to something that "men and women do together" and keep being in the dark about how the world works.

[dasein]

Good intentions

 

Sorry, my definitions are better and more accurate. Better luck next time.

[dasein]

Yeah, keep believing what your other oompa-loompas keep telling you. Woman haters are so apparent with their written thoughts. Entitled princesses, golddiggers, stuck up whores, toward any woman who is too good for their games and other BS that you have to offer. Keep spinning plates of dysfunctional targets so your penis can enter their pie holes. This is the goal of the game. I choose not to play.

I do not play checkers, easily jumped and tossed, I tend to play chess, and this seems to be a problem with A-holes.

 

I don't care for most men either, most people in general are crap, doesn't mean I hate anyone. Somewhere in the humorless halls of some women's studies department about 30 years ago, a place where laughter or joy gets drowned out in all the victimization whining, some grim Jabba the Hutt giant of an Ur feminist decided that "hey any time a man makes fun of women or their foibles in a way 3000 tv ads a day make fun of men, let's call them 'haters' yeah! that will show em. Blaaarrrrppp." In the U.S. most women I have met and dated do have entitlement complexes, about 60% of the women I've dated have been gold-diggers, but I've never called a woman a stuck up whore. I actually like whores. They are more honest than the average woman about their sexual habits and aren't too good to do something resembling an actual day's work.

 

BTW you do realize that when women complain that men today aren't romantic enough and aren't spontaneous enough and aren't manly and assertive enough, you know, all that standard eight mile laundry list that women spew out about how men aren't doing enough for women? All those complaints are literally begging for men to employ more seductive, PUA techniques. Then when we do, we get "Why can't men have good intentions? Why can't they be more honest?" Why can't women make up their f-ing minds? Oh I already know the answer, because then they wouldn't be able to come up with new things to complain about as easily.

 

As far as the "spinning plates of dysfunctional targets" and "penis entering pie holes?" I've smoked banana peels too in the past, but never got quite THAT high. Congratulations.

[LoveandSuch]

If it didn't work, and work on LOTS of women not just psycho women, it wouldn't be a multimillion dollar industry with men as customers. You see men are different than women, we approach the world with experimentation until we find what works as opposed to trying to talk something into being true that isn't. Women are gullible. They fall for psychics, astrologers, tarot, crystals, all manner of new agey BS (are all the women who fall for that junk "crazy?"), and those things are the exact same as lots of PUA techniques. Their vanity allows them to be fooled in ways that men find unbelievable until they actually lose out with a girl to some guy employing those methods. Believe me when I tell you, normal men would much much rather deal with women in a straightforward, reasonable, rational way, but as stated, women respond more to hokey BS of all flavors.

 

It's funny to see how angry women get about these techniques, when for the most part, they boil down to icebreakers. Also, women today, lots of them want to get laid, to be sold, to get fooled a little. It helps them shift the blame and guilt the next day to the conniving PUA and maintain their own self-image. Keep believing that PUA and seduction are something that "men do to women" as opposed to something that "men and women do together" and keep being in the dark about how the world works.

 

Your change of tone fails to impress me nor encourages my belief system in that PUA's are Geezers.

[dasein]

Your change of tone fails to impress me nor encourages my belief system in that PUA's are Geezers.

 

You have me confused with some other "woman-hater," my tone hasn't changed a bit.

[Pierre]

I have become quite jaded toward men in general. I used to have the mentality that the majority of men had good intentions when it came to relationships. I now feel as if I have to drop kick ever clown I come in contact with.

In the couple of months, my eyes have been widened, a close friend who is going through a terrible separation, encouraged me to read men's message forums to gain wisdom of how some men think.

I was shocked at how f'up these men were. I was also satisfied that I never fell for any of the BS I had read. Is this really how men view women and dating?

I feel if a woman has standards she is viewed as a stuck up whore not worth pursuing. Do men really value women as these men do?

Now if a man grabs my hand I freeze up at this kino attempt and give the WTF stare! LOL

I am flirted with and given attention all day and I used to think of it as just friendliness and fun. I now have this jaded view after reading those boards and end up drop kicking left and right what I now perceive as clowns.

Then there are the many men who just do the glances on a consistent basis but never put forth any attempt of a thoroughly thought provoking or genuine attempt of knowing you, just the same glances of interest over and over again.

I even had one man use the sleaziest of game playing, in retrospect, of using my child!!! Showed a general interest by asking about them, but it was really just BS, looking back at it, they did not give 2 ****s about them, unforgivable, but a great lessoned learned.

Are there good men out there who do not think like these men do? Do these men's tactics and views hurt the chances of good intentions by good men being miscontrued by us and we drop kick them too soon?

 

I hate to say this, but if most men you encounter are not good perhaps you need to move up to another social and educational level.

 

It is possible you are looking in the wrong places. Perhaps you ned a change of scenery.

[LoveandSuch]

Meant discourage, anyways, who wishes for Hokey. You would think more women would want intelligence conversations, a thorough collaboration of interests, and a build up of great chemistry, that results in growing passion rather than bunny-f*ing eachothers brains out and realizing the next morning you made a mistake, and a raging itch.

[somedude81]

You would think more women would want intelligence conversations, a thorough collaboration of interests, and a build up of great chemistry, that results in growing passion

Sigh, if only that was the case.

[LoveandSuch]

I hate to say this, but if most men you encounter are not good perhaps you need to move up to another social and educational level.

 

It is possible you are looking in the wrong places. Perhaps you ned a change of scenery.

 

No sadly, the world has changed, men are not striving for classy women, they just want to sarge the big hooped earing, tackily dressed hoes hanging around a night club. Men nowadays seem to feel they are entitled to easy one night stands after a two-bit dinner and hokey pick up lines or lying about the authenticity of their intentions.

You are right I do need a change of scenery. And that would never consist of online dating sites or night clubs, unless a friends night out with no intention of pick ups.

[LoveandSuch]

I don't care for most men either, most people in general are crap, doesn't mean I hate anyone. Somewhere in the humorless halls of some women's studies department about 30 years ago, a place where laughter or joy gets drowned out in all the victimization whining, some grim Jabba the Hutt giant of an Ur feminist decided that "hey any time a man makes fun of women or their foibles in a way 3000 tv ads a day make fun of men, let's call them 'haters' yeah! that will show em. Blaaarrrrppp." In the U.S. most women I have met and dated do have entitlement complexes, about 60% of the women I've dated have been gold-diggers, but I've never called a woman a stuck up whore. I actually like whores. They are more honest than the average woman about their sexual habits and aren't too good to do something resembling an actual day's work.

 

BTW you do realize that when women complain that men today aren't romantic enough and aren't spontaneous enough and aren't manly and assertive enough, you know, all that standard eight mile laundry list that women spew out about how men aren't doing enough for women? All those complaints are literally begging for men to employ more seductive, PUA techniques. Then when we do, we get "Why can't men have good intentions? Why can't they be more honest?" Why can't women make up their f-ing minds? Oh I already know the answer, because then they wouldn't be able to come up with new things to complain about as easily.

 

As far as the "spinning plates of dysfunctional targets" and "penis entering pie holes?" I've smoked banana peels too in the past, but never got quite THAT high. Congratulations.

 

Yup! "Spinning plates of dysfunctional targets" and "penis entering pie holes" is the Mantra of PUAs. Women wish for "real" not pickups but there are always the women who are in love with the idea of love or just HAVE to be in a relationship that will continue to quench the thirst and new ideas of the PUA.

I do not hate men; I actually love men. Just not the new norm of obnoxious self entitled man whores whose belief system in women is quite unnappealing and vomit inducing.

[Tasha49]

Wow, such hostility in here!

 

Coming from a woman, I have to say that women in general are probably the harder and more difficult of the sexes to date. I hear far more stories about men being the lesser of the evil. With women, you have more names to describe their negative behavior whereas men have very few words for their own. With women you mostly have: B*tches, b*tchers/naggers, gold-diggers, complainers/whiners, PMSers, mood swingers, drama-queens, stuck-ups, controllers, overly jealous/insecure... Etc. And you have the men they're either: *******s, dead-beats/bums, abusers, perverts. Sure there are men who fall into the same behaviors as women but I don't hear near as many stories of men being mood-swinging bitches.

 

I know many men around me who have bitches for a partner. Where the guy is good hearted and tries hard to make her happy but no matter what, a lot of women just have to find something to bitch and complain about. I hate b*tches. they give the rest of us a bad name.

 

And there are the money-loving, spoiled brats. Where if a guy plans to ever (God help him) marry her, she wants the BIGGEST diamond ever. Ever! Seriously? All the man is doing is wanting to show how much he loves her and so that comes out to the requirement of a diamond the size of an elephant? I mean I know not girls wouldn't appreciate a cereal box ring, but if you want him to work for four paychecks just to get you a piece of metal, what is really your definition of love? If it doesn't turn my finger green... then he has done great.

 

All you ever hear (for the majority I am referring to) men being guilty of is being a jerk. You don't hear girls complaining about their man being a complete bitch for no reason. Sure men can be *******s at times but I think women take the cake for being more difficult to deal with in relationships.

 

Women... take a chill pill. Quit over-analyzing every little daily happening... and quit lashing out on men for stupid petty crap.

[LoveandSuch]

LoveandSuch, where did all this hate come from? Weren't you inlove (probably still is) with a wonderful man? Didn't expect such generalization from you.

 

I do love a certain man and the end result is impossible. He remains my best friend as cheesy as that sounds. He is a feather from a different bird, I cannot disclose his privacy in the hows but he is a wonderful man who was always honest in his open realtionships, hence no drama.

[YeahDotDotDot]

You would think more women would want intelligence conversations, a thorough collaboration of interests, and a build up of great chemistry, that results in growing passion rather than bunny-f*ing eachothers brains out and realizing the next morning you made a mistake, and a raging itch.

 

Now this is funny.

[musemaj11]

"Good intentions" is code for "conforms with my agenda or not," "f-ed up" is code for "interested in his own agenda while not having enough interest in my agenda." "Clown" is code for "man with a normal sex drive approaching women because he finds them attractive" "Drop kick" is code for "act rudely like an entitled princess unless he's good looking or rich enough, if he is, then see how high my ankles can go up the headboard of his bed." "Thought provoking or genuine attempt at knowing you" is code for "approaching a level of absorption in mememe that is close to my own level of self-absorption."

Thats right.

 

For women, a good man is a man who will do everything she wants.

 

LoveandSuch is the same woman who thinks that it is the job of men to always pay on dates and never ever expect a woman to contribute. Pfftt, I have no sympathy for her. She is self-entitled. She is no different than those guys who think they deserve to get sex from every woman.

[somedude81]

Nice post Tasha49.

 

Men aren't perfect, but we are much more simple and easier to deal with than women.

[ptp]

I still don't understand what LoveandSuch's problem is?

 

It is just a way to introduce yourself to women, have a coherent conversation with her and try to get her #. what is so wrong with learning, rehearsing and practicing? Not all men are comfortable with approaching women. What is so wrong in having a plan when a guy does approach a woman?

 

When I was in HS for a multitude of reasons I never had a GF. I was outgoing, entertaining and fun but, just not around women I liked. I always thought it was because I was bad with women.

 

After my first GF (bless her soul, I still love her to this day), I naturally got comfortable with the opposite sex and now I am better. I realized I wasn't bad with women, I was just inexperienced. I was lucky that my GF helped me improve, but some guys never develop that comfort level with women. So what is so harmful in them trying to have a plan?

Edited August 7, 2011 by ptp

[musemaj11]

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If only all women were like you, I would be more able to sympathize. But I cant sympathize with selfish people.

[Tasha49]

I still don't understand what LoveandSuch's problem is?

 

It is just a way to introduce yourself to women, have a coherent conversation with her and try to get her #. what is so wrong with learning, rehearsing and practicing? Not all men are comfortable with approaching women. What is so wrong in having a plan when a guy does approach a woman?

 

When I was in HS for a multitude of reasons I never had a GF. I was outgoing, entertaining and fun but, just not around women I liked. I always thought it was because I was bad with women.

 

After my first GF (bless her soul, I still love her to this day), I naturally got comfortable with the opposite sex and now I am better. I realized I wasn't bad with women, I was just inexperienced. I was lucky that my GF helped me improve, but some guys never develop that comfort level with women. So what is so harmful in them trying to have a plan?

 

What the problem a lot of girls have with men being as assertive as they sometimes are in their planning, is this:

 

I don't know about other girls, but for me: It is THE hugest turn off if a guy approaches me and starts hitting on me in a perverted manner. Some men are disgusting and the first sentence they speak is "You are hot as hell. Could I get your number? Maybe you should come to my place tonight." If that is their opening line, then no smart girl in the world would see that man as a gentlemen and conversation worthy unless she was a desperate skank. It is clear someone is looking to hop in your pants without even asking you to dinner first.

 

I KNOW 100% sure that a women would rather be referred to as beautiful or pretty than hot. Seriously men, have more respect and put your penis back into hibernation. If you're going to approach a girl... first try having an adult conversation before trying to get in her pants after five minutes of knowing her.

[LoveandSuch]

Wow, such hostility in here!

 

Coming from a woman, I have to say that women in general are probably the harder and more difficult of the sexes to date. I hear far more stories about men being the lesser of the evil. With women, you have more names to describe their negative behavior whereas men have very few words for their own. With women you mostly have: B*tches, b*tchers/naggers, gold-diggers, complainers/whiners, PMSers, mood swingers, drama-queens, stuck-ups, controllers, overly jealous/insecure... Etc. And you have the men they're either: *******s, dead-beats/bums, abusers, perverts. Sure there are men who fall into the same behaviors as women but I don't hear near as many stories of men being mood-swinging bitches.

 

I know many men around me who have bitches for a partner. Where the guy is good hearted and tries hard to make her happy but no matter what, a lot of women just have to find something to bitch and complain about. I hate b*tches. they give the rest of us a bad name.

 

And there are the money-loving, spoiled brats. Where if a guy plans to ever (God help him) marry her, she wants the BIGGEST diamond ever. Ever! Seriously? All the man is doing is wanting to show how much he loves her and so that comes out to the requirement of a diamond the size of an elephant? I mean I know not girls wouldn't appreciate a cereal box ring, but if you want him to work for four paychecks just to get you a piece of metal, what is really your definition of love? If it doesn't turn my finger green... then he has done great.

 

All you ever hear (for the majority I am referring to) men being guilty of is being a jerk. You don't hear girls complaining about their man being a complete bitch for no reason. Sure men can be *******s at times but I think women take the cake for being more difficult to deal with in relationships.

 

Women... take a chill pill. Quit over-analyzing every little daily happening... and quit lashing out on men for stupid petty crap.

 

Let's not switch the topic around to women, the thread is let's talk men, there are enough threads bashing women, about entitlement, and so on.

[musemaj11]

Let's not switch the topic around to women, the thread is let's talk men, there are enough threads bashing women, about entitlement, and so on.

Complaining about entitlement when someone is self-entitled herself makes her sound like a clown.

[LoveandSuch]

Let's not switch the topic around to women, the thread is let's talk men, there are enough threads bashing women, about entitlement, and so on.

 

I have not encountered many if any man who has the balls to come up and say you are hot to me that directly. Although, this week have encountered several groups or packs of 18-21 yr olds if that old boys, walking by and all making comments in relation to that as a whole, a little obnoxious, but understandable because of the age group. I believe they are comfortable in numbers being honest and open like that.