zengirl Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 No, they are not "designed to be worn with ties." OP, this guy doesn't even know what collar stays are, you gonna listen to him? Nother experiment. Go to a hip men's clothing store, not a chain, not some mom and pop preppy hillbilly operation, the place where trends are set, prices are very high, and the clerks are all extremely hot and snotty... count the buttondowns. Hokie is a young guy. Collar stays are basically an older guy or douchebag thing, IMO. Don't do collar stays whatever you do. Ugh.
EasyHeart Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 No, they are not "designed to be worn with ties." OP, this guy doesn't even know what collar stays are, you gonna listen to him?Ummm, yeah, they are. You obviously know nothing about men's fashion. And collars stays keep the points of your collar from curling; they have nothing to do with keeping the collar upright. Nother experiment. Go to a hip men's clothing store, not a chain, not some mom and pop preppy hillbilly operation, the place where trends are set, prices are very high, and the clerks are all extremely hot and snotty... count the buttondowns.You are confusing being stylish with being trendy. Stylish people laugh at trendy people. Actually, pretty much everyone laughs at trendy people. . . .
EasyHeart Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 Collar stays do the exact same thing that buttons on a collar do, they just do it better without making you look like a neutered accountant or "breadwinner." Ummm, no, they don't. I'm not trying to bring up any dichotomy. What is, is. Not confusing anything. But am doing quite a bit of laughing this morning reading this thread. Stylish guys get laid, trendy guys get laid, stodgy, safe looking guys get to go home alone.Well, at least you acknowledge that I'm getting laid. I suppose it depends on the quality of women in which you're interested. . . .
EasyHeart Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 I'm sorry that you obviously don't own any shirts without buttons on the collar in your closet. I was in the same sad shape 15 or so years ago. Best wishes for a swift recovery.I own far too many shirts with a wide variety of collars, which is why I know which sort of collar to wear with which sort of outfit. Obviously, you have some anger issues that you are working out in this thread. Maybe we can help. Tell us about your mother. . . .
Nexus One Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 (edited) I like suits that have jackets with very minimal/low or no shoulder padding. I also like it when the jacket and shirt under it has a certain line to it that is tailored to follow the shape of the male torso. The thing is, most suits do not have this, most suit jackets have thick and high shoulder pads and are not cut to follow the male body lines, so they're cut straight and hide the shape of the male torso making it into a generic "block". Which is a shame in my opinion, because women tend to like clothes on men that fit and my guess is that they like that because it shows the masculine form. Guys like the same when it comes to women, they probably appreciate the female form even more so. When it comes to slender women this is also very important, because the lines of slender women are more subtle, so wearing fitting clothes that show those subtle lines is a huge turn-on. Fabric in that sense is important, it shouldn't be too thick, but rather thin, fine, soft and light so that it can even follow the most subtle of lines. I agree on the dislike for khaki's. That look in my opinion is too generic. I guess it's ok for a dad or something that's no longer chasing women and has settled in his marriage as a stable husband and father. Sorry, but that's the vibe that khaki pants give off in my opinion. I also like some of the hipster looks, but a look that I've found that has a really successful effect on women is what I call the "white belt" look. I once saw a tv show where women could choose a man based purely on his looks, some sort of "hot or not" show or something. And for kicks I watched several seasons of it to see what it exactly was that women liked in terms of male appearance/clothing. And the "white belt" look was liked by pretty much 100% of the women, those guys were desired by 100% of the women. Those same guys also tended to wear trendy winter hats and their clothes fitted closely to their masculine lines. The look I'm talking about is the jeans + white belt in the first image and the winter hat in the second and third image. I would wear different shoes with it though, probably Adidas shoes with the 3 diagonal stripes to emphasize the shape of the foot. The last image shows the female equivalent of the jeans + belt: http://bit.ly/oYFhOz I usually wear this style though: http://bit.ly/p27phW And while women don't say they dislike it, they say I should vary my look more. They've been saying that ever since I was in high school and are still saying it. I never caved, because I really did not give a flying f*ck, but I will cave one of these days. I'll add the "white belt + winter hat" style or something to my "wardrobe". Edited July 23, 2011 by Nexus One
EasyHeart Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 I usually wear this style though: http://bit.ly/p27phWThank you for saving us from SkyNet.
thatone Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 I like suits that have jackets with very minimal/low or no shoulder padding. I also like it when the jacket and shirt under it has a certain line to it that is tailored to follow the shape of the male torso. The thing is, most suits do not have this, most suit jackets have thick and high shoulder pads and are not cut to follow the male body lines, so they're cut straight and hide the shape of the male torso making it into a generic "block". Which is a shame in my opinion, because women tend to like clothes on men that fit and my guess is that they like that because it shows the masculine form. Guys like the same when it comes to women, they probably appreciate the female form even more so. When it comes to slender women this is also very important, because the lines of slender women are more subtle, so wearing fitting clothes that show those subtle lines is a huge turn-on. Fabric in that sense is important, it shouldn't be too thick, but rather thin, fine, soft and light so that it can even follow the most subtle of lines. that's why you buy your suits from a tailor, not at dillards or macys. even if the suit isn't custom made, the tailor can do the lining himself and can make it fit properly. some men need more padding in the shoulders, some don't. a lot of it concerns the shape of your posture. if you have very flat shoulders you don't need the padding, if you are broad in the neck and have more of a slope to your shoulders you do need the padding to flatten the appearance.
Disillusioned Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 If a girl were to say she was wearing a dress and heels on a date in the city, what would be an appropriate thing for a guy to wear to be neither over nor underdressed...? Ties. Most of us hate those things.
Nexus One Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 Thank you for saving us from SkyNet. I know you're joking, but for clarity's sake, I'm not the guy in that photo, in that photo he just happens to wear pretty much the same clothes that I often wear.
EasyHeart Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 I know you're joking, but for clarity's sake, I'm not the guy in that photo, in that photo he just happens to wear pretty much the same clothes that I often wear.I was just trying to be funny. If I thought that was really you, I probably would have made a 90210 joke. (And worshipped you for dating Megan Fox!!!)
thatone Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 (edited) If a girl were to say she was wearing a dress and heels on a date in the city, what would be an appropriate thing for a guy to wear to be neither over nor underdressed...? suit. skip the tie, but with a shirt collar that looks ok without the tie. she's telling you that she will be dressed well, and that you should not show up in jeans. all of you arguing about who likes what out of jeans and canvas jackets are missing the point entirely. the OP's date told him how she was going to dress so that he would NOT be under dressed. if he shows up in anything resembling jeans she isn't gonna be happy! Edited July 23, 2011 by thatone
Nexus One Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 I was just trying to be funny. I know, I just thought I'd clear that up for other people who don't know that actor and might think that I'm that guy or something.
Author USMCHokie Posted July 23, 2011 Author Posted July 23, 2011 suit. skip the tie, but with a shirt collar that looks ok without the tie. she's telling you that she will be dressed well, and that you should not show up in jeans. all of you arguing about who likes what out of jeans and canvas jackets are missing the point entirely. the OP's date told him how she was going to dress so that he would NOT be under dressed. if he shows up in anything resembling jeans she isn't gonna be happy! Hmmm this is a good point here...she asked what she should wear and when I told her what I was wearing, she asked if a dress and heels would be overkill...and then it made me feel like I would the one who was underdressed...so an open collared suit has crossed my mind...but then again that might be overkill...
Author USMCHokie Posted July 23, 2011 Author Posted July 23, 2011 And in regard to jeans and dress shoes, even with nice jeans, dress shoes just look funny...I just feel that they are conflicting or mismatched styles...or just trying too hard...
zengirl Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 I see that many posters dislike khaki pants. You tend to be so trendy. Khaki pants will always be a classic for the high end preppy look. Sneakers should only be used to play sports. I believe 90% of folks wear jeans. If you want to be unoriginal go ahead. A Ralph Lauren Polo long sleeve (rolled to the elbows) will work with the khakis. If you have visible tattoos then go with a tee shirt, jeans, and sneakers. I don't dislike ALL khakis, though they should be worn with caution. Just never go with khakis + tucked in. And never the pleated ones. Ugh. The look you're saying doesn't seem like one that would work well on Hokie IMO, and it's preppier than I like in a guy, but it's not a poor look if you're a yuppie or something and attracting likewise. Really, it's hard to say "What should I wear" because I think the sexiest thing is having a personal style, and everyone needs a different one.
Author USMCHokie Posted July 23, 2011 Author Posted July 23, 2011 I don't dislike ALL khakis, though they should be worn with caution. Just never go with khakis + tucked in. And never the pleated ones. Ugh. The look you're saying doesn't seem like one that would work well on Hokie IMO, and it's preppier than I like in a guy, but it's not a poor look if you're a yuppie or something and attracting likewise. Really, it's hard to say "What should I wear" because I think the sexiest thing is having a personal style, and everyone needs a different one. Yea I am not a fan of khakis at all...in my field, it is often associated with what new officer candidates have to wear when they go out during their training phase. Khakis and a tucked in polo shirt... :shudder: As far as my personal style, I've been doing jeans and tshirts for so long that I don't really consider anything else...so when these situations arise where I have to dress a bit better, I'm usually a little lost as to what would work for me.
daphne Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 Usually what I wear if I want to look nicer is oxfords, slacks, and a button down. I keep the top button (collar button) unbuttoned, and I roll up my sleeves. I'm thinking of some slacks that I own that fit well on my waist so I usually tuck in. That whole "visible trousers = belt" **** is a myth. I try to avoid belts where possible. I think slacks look a lot cooler without belts. This. I prefer white button downs, with top button unbuttoned and tee shirt. No chest hair please! Or a blue and white checked (not small checks) button down. Either rolled sleeves or not. Both look good. It's simple, looks like you didn't think too hard, and women do like the look. It's clean and classic. No khakis. That's really unoriginal and really for more casual events. You'll have time enough to wear those or jeans if you guys go out again.
Nexus One Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 Kind of funny how this day and age almost pushes men to thoroughly think about things like this. Men dressed well in the 1920's. Almost every guy in that time wore what we now consider a quality suit, but most guys only had 2 suits, one for wearing and one for the cleaners and then they'd switch between those two. So men back then dressed with class, but things were still simple. Things are getting more complicated now in my opinion.
grkBoy Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 I think the best tip for a guy is to look at men's fashion magazines and get ideas. Look at male celebrities you like and see how they dress. So the girl is going out in her little black dress and heels or something like that. What should you try if you want to stand out and make an impression? 1) Be casual and relaxed. If you're all overdressed and wound up, then you'll end up being stiff. 2) Look at what everyone else is wearing, and then take it up a notch. If all the guys are wearing designer t-shirts and jeans, wear the nice shirt with the jeans. If guys are wearing nice shirts with jeans, then up the aunty by putting on a suit with a colored shirt and no tie. I call this the "Danny Ocean special" Image: http://i2.listal.com/image/1454432/400full.jpg 3) Take a risk if you think it can work out. I used to wear a nice outgoing suit with a tie when I went to art gallery openings. I'd see others in casual or business casual clothes, but I tended to get attention from women just because I looked more GQ. I wouldn't go to a ball game in a suit, but if you feel you can take a risk to make bigger impressions, try it if you think it'll work out. You don't always have to play it safe. 4) Take pride in your hygiene. Do your hair, shave if you want, or groom your facial hair. Put something that smells nice on, but don't over do it. Trim your nails, etc. You would be surprised how many women notice good hygiene...and complain about guys with bad teeth and messed up hair. 5) Confidence and personality go extremely far. Say you show up to the club in a suit. You hold a very confident touch, even flirt with the hot female bartender (but know it's not going to happen) and you end up catching the eye of some females. Take the chance and say hi. If they comment on the suit and try to make it sound like you're overdressed (because all the guys are in jeans), just boldly say you like to look good...and maybe toss in a compliment on how the women work hard to look good.
Author USMCHokie Posted July 23, 2011 Author Posted July 23, 2011 (edited) Good post, grkboy. The Danny Ocean special was what I was thinking about doing, but it might be too hot...or too much... Edited July 23, 2011 by USMCHokie
daphne Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 Please don't do the Danny Ocean thing. Personally, I find it just well... bad. Plus, if you have to ask advice on how to dress online, then you aren't ready to pull off a riskier look like that. It's too much.
carhill Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 My suggestion, which perhaps aligns with your 'Daniel Ocean' comment. Get it tailored. Good luck on the date. OTOH, having spent a fair amount of time in the Norfolk/Newport News area, I gained a real liking for Navy and Marines in their dress uniforms. Not unflattering.
Desert Rose Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 I like the guy who takes care of his look, not too much tho! .. and I don't see any harm if he bought cloths for his woman, as a gift of course and it's OK to tell her, for example; what colors he likes to see on her, or what kind of cloths makes her look sexy to him. it's not that he should tell her what to wear, but it's good that he tells her how he feels, even in small details .. this would make any woman feel special and that her man really cares about her (IMO)
Disillusioned Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 Personally, I'd like nothing better than to walk around in public in my birthday suit if it was legal.
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