stillafool Posted July 24, 2011 Posted July 24, 2011 naturally beautiful women tend to be shallow/ignorant, to put it bluntly. Really? Then why do men fall all over themselves to date and marry these shallow/ignorant things?
123321 Posted July 24, 2011 Posted July 24, 2011 How would your parents feel if you brought home a tall, slender girl with looks to kill, who was very superficial and uneducated? Ask them this and see if that is more to their liking. Interesting question but not the only option.
joeLove Posted July 24, 2011 Posted July 24, 2011 Your parents do have your best interest at heart, but I think the way they communicated that to you is completely wrong. Your g/f needs to lose weight. I'm sure you and her are conscious of that fact.
thatone Posted July 24, 2011 Posted July 24, 2011 Really? Then why do men fall all over themselves to date and marry these shallow/ignorant things? see point about men being judged by the quality of their arm candy by other men. some people can't live without the approval of others, some can. which in a roundabout way proves my point. shallow but attractive people wind up with people who are also shallow, and then go on to have shallow children. i mean, michelle bachmann got elected. case closed.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 (edited) Umm, no. They are not close minded or ignorant. In fact, I can totally see where they are coming from. They love their son and want him to date someone who is healthy and normal...someone who they wouldn't be ashamed of calling their daughter in law. Every parent wants their children to reach their full potential. If the OP was working at McDonalds and was content with doing that for the rest of his life, and his parents were urging him to get an education and find a better job, would you also criticize them for being 'shallow'? Why would it be upsetting if a guy enjoyed working at McDonald's? I've actually known men who enjoyed working in their fast food jobs and never felt the urge to criticize them about it. It's what they love and they should continue doing it. Maybe they'd need to get another job on the side to make the rest of their money, but I by no means think they should quit doing the thing they love. I'm a writer and so far I make hardly any money doing it. It's my real passion though, so I refuse to give up on it, but that doesn't mean I can't have another job as well. My point is, if you really love something, you shouldn't give it up. It's where you are supposed to be. To which he can reply by saying that messed up women suffering from extreme insecurity (like you) should not be listened to. Speaking of which, "messed up" seems to describe the majority of loveshack old timers to a tee. Friedman's got it right: your family has your best interests at heart. The weirdos of loveshack? Not so much. Between their multidating blogs, history of childhood abuse and failed relationships, and crazy bouts of insecurity and melodrama, most people on this board are totally unqualified to give dating advice (in fact, the only thing they are qualified for is seeking and receiving psychiatric help.) You'd be crazy to take their advice over that of your own parents. I do have insecurity problems, but I know women who don't and it's actually the insecure women like me who are more willing to be treated and thought of like arm candy than the confident ones. They know they are more than that and expect to be treated as such . . . . . . Maybe she doesn't bother because she figures you'll be going to Hell and so you'll be together with her in Eternity. LOL. I think you tried to be witty here and failed. Maybe I'm going to hell, yes, but my Mom is a good Christian and if Christianity is right, she definitely isn't. XD The point of being funny would be to say something that sounded sort of legitimately true and hit close to home. Which was why feelsgoodman's post that I quoted before this one was actually a much better thing to say . . . because it's true that I actually am a very insecure person. Yes, definately something that is extremely important when deciding on a future spouse. That is not to say that a marriage cannot be good with someone that is overweight. My uncle married a woman who was quite fat, and all his brothers tried to talk him out of it, but the weight didn't matter to him. The woman was a sweetheart, a fantastic cook, and an excellent mother. She did have health problems later in life, though, because of the weight, and predeceased him. So there are definately some important considerations. I think some men do make the mistake of thinking that they can change a person, and that they can coach a woman to lose weight, so they get into the mindset that the extra weight doesn't matter right now and will somehow get better or not get worse later on. Well, it only gets harder as time goes on to keep the weight off, and if the woman is overweight to begin with, chances are, it's not going to improve. If the guy is totally not interested in what her weight is, and her physical appearance is not important to him, but he admires all the other attributes she has, I could see a relationship working out long term. But if he does care about appearance at all, attractiveness, and potential health concerns, he would be wise to give his parents' opinion some consideration, because it could be more of an issue for him later in life. I like your calm, rational thinking, but wouldn't say I completely agree. My boyfriend weighs 300 lbs. and never works out. You have this underlying assumption that people can't find overweight people attractive, which is untrue. I wouldn't necessarily say that I am a fat fetishist, but I find overweight men very attractive. All but one of the men I've dated has been overweight and I was very attracted to most of them. My boyfriend got undressed to take a shower this morning and was talking to me and I was having trouble staring at his face because I couldn't keep my eyes off of his body. He got insecure at first and asked me if the reason I was looking him up and down like that was because there was something wrong with him (because he's not used to this kind of attention.) I rolled my eyes and said,"You really CAN'T expect me to stare at your face constantly when you're standing there naked in front of me, can you? I mean, if I ripped off all my clothes right now, would you be focused on just my face either?" He started laughing and making jokes where he went,"Excuse me, my face is up here!" Like some girls say and we were both laughing hysterically because of it. Yes, my boyfriend is overweight, but some people actually PREFER that body type (I know shocker!) or at the very least find it attractive, like I do. I feel no need to change him and he doesn't need to work out. He looks great to me. I don't feel indifferent about his body. That's a ridiculous myth that beautiful women are shallow or ignorant. Beauty has nothing to do with IQ or character. There are plenty of beautiful, intelligent women of good character, and there are plenty of obese dumb women with poor character. I would say that there are many women born intelligent, yes, that are very beautiful, but do agree that they often neglect this side. Beautiful women have to be genetically gifted, but also be focused on their looks somewhat as well in order to maintain that beauty. (Women who don't care about their clothing or getting rid of their body hair are not considered beautiful, you can't be a slob and be pretty, at the very least you must focus on this some.) And unfortunately, society doesn't usually encourage women to be bother beautiful and intelligent. In fact, I've heard women told many times that they need to dumb themselves down to be hot to men, so a lot of women while working on being beautiful will purposefully ignore their brain. Also, overly beautiful women can get away with being lazier and not studying or having to work the same way other people do. And I think it's human nature to not try if you don't have to, which is why a lot of them don't even try in these areas. You're both right, woooohooo. Fact is that the majority of people are semi-dolts at best, including the ugly or the beautiful. If anything I'd say good looking people tend to be smarter and less likely to have anti-social tendencies, and this has been somewhat borne out by research. I could agree with this. i'm not talking about character, i'm talking about intelligence. there's a difference. character is a product of your family. intelligence is genetic, some people are born with it some aren't. furthermore, people who have appearance in their favor, especially women, have no motivation to develop that intelligence even if they have the genetic potential for it. why should they work on that? they have the approval of men and other women anyway. Agreed. There is no negative correlation between attractiveness and IQ. In fact there is evidence that the factors that contribute to symmetrical (and thus attractive) development also contribute to proper neural development. Source: "A study in England conducted by researchers at the London School of Economics found that attractive men and women generally have higher IQs. "Physical attractiveness is significantly positively associated with general intelligence," said LSE lead researcher Satoshi Kanazawa, in the latest issue of the journal Intelligence. The study indicated attractive men have IQs that are 13.6 points above the average, while beautiful women are 11.4 points higher than average. Since intelligent men are more inclined to achieve more success, they are "more likely to marry beautiful women," Kanazawa said. "Given that both intelligence and physical attractiveness are highly heritable, there should be a positive correlation between intelligence and physical attractiveness in the children's generation." The study included 52,000 people from both the United Kingdom and United States. However, Kanazawa insists this should not be considered justification for believing beautiful people are better than everyone else. "Our contention that beautiful people are more intelligent is purely scientific," he said. "It is not a prescription for how to treat or judge others." Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/2011/01/16/2011-01-16_beautiful_men_women_have_high_iqs_too_study.html#ixzz1T3Mkx49g" The problem with that study is no real study can be made based on an opinion. Who is attractive or not is an OPINION. Like, I think Brad Pitt is BUTT UGLY. Even if he had an awesome personality (which I doubt), I'm not sure I could date him because there's something wrong with his face in my opinion. =S But I know a lot of women think he's hot and for a study like this he'd probably be considered attractive, which makes the study inaccurate. I mean, seriously, does it even speak about WHO these people in this study are attractive to? Because the men I find attractive are never stupid, so if I were to do this study, of course the same result would come out because of the kind of men I am attracted to. How would your parents feel if you brought home a tall, slender girl with looks to kill, who was very superficial and uneducated? Ask them this and see if that is more to their liking. I honestly think that if they LOSE SLEEP over a girl's weight that this guy is dating that even if she was gorgeous, educated, and kind, they would think something was wrong with her. Parents like this tend to never think anyone is good enough for their son. Really? Then why do men fall all over themselves to date and marry these shallow/ignorant things? Because the physical aspects of their body are the most important aspects to them. I have a friend who looks like a model (for real, its ridiculous, she's so beautiful, tall, and blond!) My other friend and I convinced her to make an okcupid account (even though she doesn't need one) just to see what it's like (my other friend and I have both used okcupid) and she got 10 men messaging her in an hour. Understand this as well. My friend is "fun" to be around, but she's also a huge bitch, treats men like ****, and is an idiot. She didn't hide any of this in her profile. And me and my other friend were all pissed because we'd only get 10 messages in a MONTH and she gets 10 in an hour. Seriously, WTF?! But at the same time, I'd never want those men messaging me. =S Because their values are in all the wrong places. Your parents do have your best interest at heart, but I think the way they communicated that to you is completely wrong. Your g/f needs to lose weight. I'm sure you and her are conscious of that fact. Of course fat people know they'd be better off if they weighed less. Even if people weren't always volunteering this kind of information to them, I promise you, their doctors are. It's kind of how like all smokers know they'd be better off if they just quit. Edited July 25, 2011 by Enchanted Girl 1
RepairMinded Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI4otTziYjk&feature=related
RepairMinded Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 How would your parents feel if you brought home a tall, slender girl with looks to kill, who was very superficial and uneducated? Ask them this and see if that is more to their liking. Yes those supermodels are so superficial in comparison to fatties.
RepairMinded Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 My boyfriend weighs 300 lbs. and never works out. What an astounding coincidence.
RepairMinded Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 Maybe I'm going to hell, yes, but my Mom is a good Christian and if Christianity is right, she definitely isn't. They wouldn't do that to dear old Mum.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 They wouldn't do that to dear old Mum. Of course they wouldn't. =D Hilarious. I got so pissed at this place one night about a week ago that I asked the mod to delete my account. They didn't do it, and here I am back again. This place is addictive like reality shows, and I'm not exempting myself from the reality of it or saying I'm any better than the other misfits by that. I think OP's parents are smart, they don't want to throw their backs out toting around giant, bloated 40 pound grandbabies. Getting a visual of a baby the size of Chris Farley (RIP) googooing in a cute way then suddenly raging bellowing out FEEEEEED MEEEEE! LOL. You actually get that mad at this forum? So far, I haven't once and have been here over a year (I think?) I can't remember my sign-up date exactly, but I know it was a long time ago. What an astounding coincidence. I know! Isn't it? =D
Enchanted Girl Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 celfornia suks I don't know what a "celfornia" is.
Feelsgoodman Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 She isn't fat, tell them to shut up. Yeah, at 5'2 170ish, she's not titanic sinking material (yet), which seems to be the modern American standard for what's considered fat
Dust Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 Yeah, at 5'2 170ish, she's not titanic sinking material (yet), which seems to be the modern American standard for what's considered fat Bottom line its his choice not his parents. I personally probably would not be attracted to this girl. If I was though I certainly wouldn’t need my family showing their disapproval. I have friends who date/marry girls I would never for reasons which include being fat and ugly. If I can show my friends enough respect to just be happy for them then his family can. This guy the OP is obviously just doing the best he can and if he likes this girl his family needs to shut up. and no don't tell you're woman they think she is fat. Never tell her.
123321 Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 The problem with that study is no real study can be made based on an opinion. Who is attractive or not is an OPINION You should really look into how studies like this work before you say things like that. Statistical results can NEVER predict individual outcomes, but they are accurate predictors of groups if applied properly.
123321 Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 She isn't fat, tell them to shut up. Yeah, at 5'2 170ish, she's not titanic sinking material (yet), which seems to be the modern American standard for what's considered fat Wow, so that's not fat really? My last GF was 5' 2 and 92 pounds, and was concerned because she had a new little roll on her tummy. Now I told HER she wasn't fat, for sure. But we're talking about bolting a whole second person to her frame, nearly. How can that not be fat without massive steroid abuse?
KathyM Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 This is a response to Enchanted Girl's post: To each his own, I guess. I know there are some people who find heavier people attractive, but it is unhealthy. My older sister's X husband, who used to be normal weight when they were married, is now 300 lbs. as well at middle age, and he suffers from diabetes. When he was married to my sister, he had very bad eating habits. He would fry up an entire package of bacon and eat it all in one sitting. He always insisted on eating lots of red meat, and there was never a shortage of junk food around the house. Very unhealthy, and at middle age, he is now paying the price for a lifetime of bad eating habits. In fact, I used to work as a volunteer at a hospice, and some of my hospice patients were middle aged overweight people that were dying from diabetes. Very sad. I don't believe beautiful women neglect their intelligent side. I know a lot of beautiful women, and all of them except one are college graduates. The one who only graduated high school is also intelligent, but did not pursue a college education. She started her own successful business. I consider myself to be a beautiful woman (so I've been told), and I'm working on getting my Master's Degree in Psychology. All of these beautiful women have good character as well. They are not shallow. In fact, they have wonderful values and are genuinely nice, caring people. They spend some time on their appearance, but probably not much, if any, more than other women, since their external beauty is not based on applying tons of makeup, or spending hours on their hair. None of them have ever dumbed themselves down, either. If a man is intimidated by a beautiful woman who is also intelligent, then he isn't worth having as a partner. Maybe some women try to fit the role of bimbo beauty (such as Paris Hilton). But I venture to say that most are proud of their intelligence and don't want to be perceived only based on their looks. The fact that they put a value on their appearance or the appearance of someone they date does not mean that is their only value. The beautiful women I know are very spiritual, and put the highest value on a man's character, not on his looks. Sure, there are some beautiful women that are bitchy, or dumb, or whatever. But there are also plenty of plain women who are those things as well. I think a lot of you have some misconceptions about beautiful women and men. Just because they are attractive, and are attracted to other attractive people, does not mean they have poor values, or have nothing else going for them.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 You should really look into how studies like this work before you say things like that. Statistical results can NEVER predict individual outcomes, but they are accurate predictors of groups if applied properly. So you are saying that for each person they did this study on, they asked millions of people (or at least thousands) if someone was attractive or not? And what percentage of people had to say yes before they said the person was attractive enough to be in the study? Because more likely than not a small group of people decided who was attractive or not for the study and like I said, if I were to choose something like that, my opinions would be vastly different than other people's and would make the results skewed. Attractiveness is an extremely relative and all people see it very differently. You can find examples of this on this very thread. Some people don't think the OP's gf is fat. Others think she's gigantic and should never get a date ever. And some think she's fat, but still attractive. So on and so forth. Everyone is seeing a different amount of attractiveness. This is a response to Enchanted Girl's post: To each his own, I guess. I know there are some people who find heavier people attractive, but it is unhealthy. My older sister's X husband, who used to be normal weight when they were married, is now 300 lbs. as well at middle age, and he suffers from diabetes. When he was married to my sister, he had very bad eating habits. He would fry up an entire package of bacon and eat it all in one sitting. He always insisted on eating lots of red meat, and there was never a shortage of junk food around the house. Very unhealthy, and at middle age, he is now paying the price for a lifetime of bad eating habits. In fact, I used to work as a volunteer at a hospice, and some of my hospice patients were middle aged overweight people that were dying from diabetes. Very sad. I don't believe beautiful women neglect their intelligent side. I know a lot of beautiful women, and all of them except one are college graduates. The one who only graduated high school is also intelligent, but did not pursue a college education. She started her own successful business. I consider myself to be a beautiful woman (so I've been told), and I'm working on getting my Master's Degree in Psychology. All of these beautiful women have good character as well. They are not shallow. In fact, they have wonderful values and are genuinely nice, caring people. They spend some time on their appearance, but probably not much, if any, more than other women, since their external beauty is not based on applying tons of makeup, or spending hours on their hair. None of them have ever dumbed themselves down, either. If a man is intimidated by a beautiful woman who is also intelligent, then he isn't worth having as a partner. Maybe some women try to fit the role of bimbo beauty (such as Paris Hilton). But I venture to say that most are proud of their intelligence and don't want to be perceived only based on their looks. The fact that they put a value on their appearance or the appearance of someone they date does not mean that is their only value. The beautiful women I know are very spiritual, and put the highest value on a man's character, not on his looks. Sure, there are some beautiful women that are bitchy, or dumb, or whatever. But there are also plenty of plain women who are those things as well. I think a lot of you have some misconceptions about beautiful women and men. Just because they are attractive, and are attracted to other attractive people, does not mean they have poor values, or have nothing else going for them. My Mom was skinny her entire life and now has diabetes. *shrugs* The fact that we live means that we are killing ourselves slowly with our habits. Some people drink excessively or do drugs. Others tan or smoke. Some diet so much that they hurt their bodies. Some sleep around and risk getting various STD's. I'm sure I could list many more habits that A LOT of people have that are killing them or at the very least risk their health. There's a lot of little things out there that chip away at your health that many of us do like getting x-rays or eating raw food (cookie dough with raw eggs or sushi with raw fish.) Even just getting fillings at a dentist can add unhealthy amounts of mercury into your body. The whole process of living is about dying. It's better to harm your body as little as possible, but there's this underlying idea that overweight people are hurting their bodies much more than other types of people and I'd have to disagree. Also, I didn't say smart pretty people didn't exist. I said there was a trend in that direction. Where the prettier someone gets, the less likely they are to be intelligent and the more likely they are to obsess over their appearance and not know what it means to work hard (because people see their face or body and want to go easier on them.) Also, girls opinions on what are pretty or not usually vary greatly from men's. Also, I was more thinking of pretty as television/famous people pretty and not pretty compared to your average person. Those people have to, at the very least, exercise a lot, diet a lot, do their hair nicely, and carefully remove body hairs, buy nice clothing, and also very likely have to wear make-up, do their nails, rub various face masks and products on themselves, go to tanning salons, and maybe even possibly get plastic surgery. It's very time consuming and you have to obsess over it some to be that pretty and the prettier you get, the more likely it is at the sacrifice of your brain. It was after three flame wars in a row with supposedly "veteran" posters here over nothing. Some here have a real hard time limiting their comments to what is posted and attack other posters directly. It's bad form on any forum, and supposedly prohibited here. But on this forum, some posters seem to get special treatment and are immune from the TOS. No, there's just almost no mods here is the problem.
stillafool Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 Yes those supermodels are so superficial in comparison to fatties. Glad to hear from someone with experience. (*
temporaryvisa Posted July 25, 2011 Posted July 25, 2011 I actually feel fat-ish at 120 lbs at 5'3... She's unhealthy and obese. I know you love her, but your parents love you a lot and want more for you. I don't know, what a sticky sitch
Author 40 Fonzarelli Posted July 26, 2011 Author Posted July 26, 2011 She's actually 5'3, I couldn't edit my post. Anyway, she wears the weight well because she has very curvy hips, big butt, small waist, no fat in her face. But I agree, its not healthy for her to be that weight. Most likely, it will get worse, especially with kids. I think ive decided to support her in losing weight, while not telling her about my parents. I just hope my parents accept her once/if she loses some weight, as shallow as it is.
123321 Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 She's actually 5'3, I couldn't edit my post. Anyway, she wears the weight well because she has very curvy hips, big butt, small waist, no fat in her face. But I agree, its not healthy for her to be that weight. Most likely, it will get worse, especially with kids. I think ive decided to support her in losing weight, while not telling her about my parents. I just hope my parents accept her once/if she loses some weight, as shallow as it is. It's still going to be an ongoing battle she will almost surely lose. Good luck.
Engadget Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 People saying she'll surely be 400lbs when she's older are nuts, you can't guarantee that. Oh and the BMI index is a joke and a half. You can have no fat on your body and be categorized as obese, hell I'm considered Overweight when I'm as skinny as I can possibly be! My ex was like 5'2'' 170lbs and looked great, she was thick and that's how I like em. I don't consider that fat in the least.
KathyM Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 So you are saying that for each person they did this study on, they asked millions of people (or at least thousands) if someone was attractive or not? And what percentage of people had to say yes before they said the person was attractive enough to be in the study? Because more likely than not a small group of people decided who was attractive or not for the study and like I said, if I were to choose something like that, my opinions would be vastly different than other people's and would make the results skewed. Attractiveness is an extremely relative and all people see it very differently. You can find examples of this on this very thread. Some people don't think the OP's gf is fat. Others think she's gigantic and should never get a date ever. And some think she's fat, but still attractive. So on and so forth. Everyone is seeing a different amount of attractiveness. My Mom was skinny her entire life and now has diabetes. *shrugs* The fact that we live means that we are killing ourselves slowly with our habits. Some people drink excessively or do drugs. Others tan or smoke. Some diet so much that they hurt their bodies. Some sleep around and risk getting various STD's. I'm sure I could list many more habits that A LOT of people have that are killing them or at the very least risk their health. There's a lot of little things out there that chip away at your health that many of us do like getting x-rays or eating raw food (cookie dough with raw eggs or sushi with raw fish.) Even just getting fillings at a dentist can add unhealthy amounts of mercury into your body. The whole process of living is about dying. It's better to harm your body as little as possible, but there's this underlying idea that overweight people are hurting their bodies much more than other types of people and I'd have to disagree. Also, I didn't say smart pretty people didn't exist. I said there was a trend in that direction. Where the prettier someone gets, the less likely they are to be intelligent and the more likely they are to obsess over their appearance and not know what it means to work hard (because people see their face or body and want to go easier on them.) Also, girls opinions on what are pretty or not usually vary greatly from men's. Also, I was more thinking of pretty as television/famous people pretty and not pretty compared to your average person. Those people have to, at the very least, exercise a lot, diet a lot, do their hair nicely, and carefully remove body hairs, buy nice clothing, and also very likely have to wear make-up, do their nails, rub various face masks and products on themselves, go to tanning salons, and maybe even possibly get plastic surgery. It's very time consuming and you have to obsess over it some to be that pretty and the prettier you get, the more likely it is at the sacrifice of your brain. No, there's just almost no mods here is the problem. So what you're saying is that there is no point in trying to preserve your health by controlling what you eat, since other things can kill you, and we're all going to die someday anyway. Well, I for one don't want to hurry the process along, but to each his own, I guess. And I can certainly agree that movie stars, who make a living by being beautiful, do spend a lot of time and money in making themselves beautiful. But when you are lumping them together with all beautiful women, and making it appear that all beautiful women behave like that, it is not true or fair.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 26, 2011 Posted July 26, 2011 People saying she'll surely be 400lbs when she's older are nuts, you can't guarantee that. Oh and the BMI index is a joke and a half. You can have no fat on your body and be categorized as obese, hell I'm considered Overweight when I'm as skinny as I can possibly be! My ex was like 5'2'' 170lbs and looked great, she was thick and that's how I like em. I don't consider that fat in the least. I would have to agree. I knew a guy who was 6'4" and weighed 160 lbs. and his doctor told him he was obese. =/ So what you're saying is that there is no point in trying to preserve your health by controlling what you eat, since other things can kill you, and we're all going to die someday anyway. Well, I for one don't want to hurry the process along, but to each his own, I guess. And I can certainly agree that movie stars, who make a living by being beautiful, do spend a lot of time and money in making themselves beautiful. But when you are lumping them together with all beautiful women, and making it appear that all beautiful women behave like that, it is not true or fair. Nope. You just didn't read what I said right . . . It's better to harm your body as little as possible, but there's this underlying idea that overweight people are hurting their bodies much more than other types of people and I'd have to disagree. It helps not to smoke. It helps not to sleep around. It's good to eat healthy, but I don't think that overweight people are this freak group in society that never deserves love as if they are the only group in society who has habits that are negative towards their body. I'd never go on a thread with a smoker or someone who sleeps around and tell them these things for instance. It's an exaggerated fault in our society. I prefer not to date smokes. Some people prefer not to date fat people. But if all people hated smokers and fat people, that would bother me and just because this one guy loves his girlfriend still regardless . . . . . . well, just everyone shouldn't be criticizing him for it!
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