udolipixie Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 I agree that being hateful and destructive is not a positive thing but I feel very passionate that I don't want any man to go through what I have in the past. It hurts me to see that many boys are pretty much being raised to hate themselves. When I see men going through the same thing it fires me up. I also agree that for the most part women here have been very supportive. For some reason other men on here don't seem to receive the same support I have but I do admit that for the most part I have had good experiences with women on here. They do wasn't UF advocating someone and helping him? Plenty of guys I see get support. Which ones are the ones that don't?
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 I agree that being hateful and destructive is not a positive thing but I feel very passionate that I don't want any man to go through what I have in the past. It hurts me to see that many boys are pretty much being raised to hate themselves. When I see men going through the same thing it fires me up. I also agree that for the most part women here have been very supportive. For some reason other men on here don't seem to receive the same support I have but I do admit that for the most part I have had good experiences with women on here. I'm not sure why, or how you manage it, but I truly believe you don't hate, or dislike women. In fact, I think you (it's a miracle!) still like women in general. I bet I would like you irl. You obviously love your wife and have a good marriage. You seek evidence of misandry and claim that it's lurking where it really is not (and I DO agree that it exists - just not around every corner and hidden in most every post on LS) but you DON'T make disparaging, insulting, demeaning blanket statements about "women." You mainly have a problem with the "misadrists" and my main problems with YOU is that you either look very hard to have your negative stuff justified, or conversely, you claim that your online community of LoveShack is lousy with misandrists yet you never find any examples here. Those other guys who may be coming from a place of personal hurt don't get support and sympathy / empathy from me because they use their personal experiences (and, I suspect, lifelong prejudices) to trash all women, or all American women. I have no patience for that, nor for racism, homophobia, or other forms of bald faced bigotry - regardless of the bigot's personal circumstances. It's akin, in my opinion, to a white person who was mugged by a black person being self-righteous and justified in classifying all black people as dangerous criminals thereafter.
Author Woggle Posted July 22, 2011 Author Posted July 22, 2011 I'm not sure why, or how you manage it, but I truly believe you don't hate, or dislike women. In fact, I think you (it's a miracle!) still like women in general. I bet I would like you irl. You obviously love your wife and have a good marriage. You seek evidence of misandry and claim that it's lurking where it really is not (and I DO agree that it exists - just not around every corner and hidden in most every post on LS) but you DON'T make disparaging, insulting, demeaning blanket statements about "women." You mainly have a problem with the "misadrists" and my main problems with YOU is that you either look very hard to have your negative stuff justified, or conversely, you claim that your online community of LoveShack is lousy with misandrists yet you never find any examples here. Those other guys who may be coming from a place of personal hurt don't get support and sympathy / empathy from me because they use their personal experiences (and, I suspect, lifelong prejudices) to trash all women, or all American women. I have no patience for that, nor for racism, homophobia, or other forms of bald faced bigotry - regardless of the bigot's personal circumstances. It's akin, in my opinion, to a white person who was mugged by a black person being self-righteous and justified in classifying all black people as dangerous criminals thereafter. I understand. If you met me right after my first marriage you probably would not have liked me very much but I won't become what I hate and I have3 softened quite a bit. I look at how miserable and nasty my mother is and that is the opposite of what I want to be. You might be right about looking for it though because was off the internet for four days while my wife and I enjoyed our boat and I was much less angry. I have sympathy for some of these other guys because while hatred is never okay I see how they became like that and going through the very biases family court system is enough to make any man angry. Anger with the system is not the same as anger towards women but I suppose if I were the target of their hatred I would feel differently.
udolipixie Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 Odd you wait until I have told you multiple times what my position was explaining how one could have gotten the wrong interpretation that interpretation. You wait until after I tell you multiple times what I myself got from his statement was: that men were being taught to be feminine parents and they need men to be masculine parents and teach them about respect, honor, and responsibility. If anything me telling you in the other posts should have clarified my position. Odd how you quote me on everything else but this I asked for repeatedly you wait. At least I see the error. It was a typo I can't edit. My bad. It should have been "What else could she have gotten from that but women have none." Sorry I thought telling you my intent in the second post & all the posts thereafter would clarify that. Sorry I thought asking you where you got your assumption I was twisting words would let me know if my typo had an effect. Next time I won't just clarify but automatically repost saying this is an edit if I think a person can stuck on a typo even if I clarify my position and intent in the next post & the next post & the next post. And when I ask where they get the wrong assumption in the next post & the next post & the next post. However would you have even paid attention to the repost seeing as how you paid no attention to the clarifications or questions asking where you got the misunderstanding? I mean I tried telling you multiple times you got the wrong message and you didn't listen then. You evaded answering question that would tell you oh despite my numerous efforts to clarify this is why you're stuck on that assumption. If you were so sure that my typo was my position why didn't you ask how come my position had changed? It's a pretty big jump from my typo to this: ^ One of my multiple clarifications In fact my first post was explaining how she could have gotten that interpretation that women have no honor, respect, responsibility. I was trying to show what he said forced to parent in a feminine way when a masculine parent is needed to teach honor, respect, responsibility can be taken as that at best women can't teach honor, respect, responsibility & at worst that they have none. So why not just tell me from the first time I asked where you got that I was twisting words?
Enchanted Girl Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 (edited) Okay, just got finished reading the entirety of this thread from start to finish. I didn't quote anyone, but I have a lot to say in response to everything if I can remember it all. First of all, I just want to say that the whole idea that there needs to be a father along with a mother, so the man can teach responsibility, honor, and respect to their children (or whatever it was) is an incorrect statement no matter how you interpret it. Women are capable of teaching the same honor, respect, and responsibility to children as a man is capable of teaching. And a man teaching his children other values is not him being a female. My father taught me more than my mother about what it means to be compassionate. He's always volunteering and sacrificing himself for others. Always listening to their problems. He has the hugest heart in the world! And that doesn't mean my father is growing a mental vagina. In fact, if men are incapable of compassion, kindness, and nurturing and teaching these virtues to their children, then I have no respect for them. Because they are bad people. If you are incapable of being kind and sympathizing with your fellow man, then you're a selfish person and a bad person. Same with a woman who is incapable of being responsible. Wouldn't that mean she was helpless and throwing away money all the time? If she wasn't honorable . . . . Wouldn't that make all women immoral (honor has to do with morality) and cheating bitches? Wouldn't that make them horrible people too? There's a lot of men out there with no honor, responsibility, or sense of respect. And a lot of women with no compassion, kindness, or ability to nurture (Woggle's Mom is an example of this!!!) These AREN'T masculine and feminine traits. They are the traits that GOOD people have. There have been societies through out history where women have fought alongside men and men have taken care of children alongside women. Saying they have different sets of honor and kindness and blah, blah, blah is ignorant. Otherwise all boys should be raised exclusively by their fathers and all girls should be raised exclusively by their mothers. Because no girl has the capability to learn the kind of honor a father could teach them and no boy has the capability to learn the kind of love their mother could teach them. That being said, I think all children should have two parents ideally. Why? Many reasons (and none of them are sexist.) Because it hurts when one of your biological parents rejects you and abandons you. Having two parents helps balance the work of taking care of children so neither parent gets completely exhausted. Having two parents helps a parent's weaknesses be balanced by someone else. It may be the natural inclination for one parent to spoil the child, but they are less likely to if they are accountable to the other parent (for example.) Two parents will find it easier to collectively make enough money to provide for their children and give them the attention they need. Two parents are harder for kids to gang up on than one. So on and so forth. So many good reasons! Not that being a single parent is bad, its just so much harder because you somehow have to have all the strengths of two people and be just one. You also need to realize that believing that there has to be both a mother AND a father (because supposedly certain genders can't teach certain values) is to believe that a lesbian or homosexual male couple should not ever be allowed to have children. Because they could never have that balance of teaching all the values children need to learn. And I disagree with that. I fully support same sex couples adopting or finding other options that allow them to have children of their own and think they can be amazing parents who raise amazing kids. I've had a similar argument with woggle once before a long time ago and during that time, he accused me of believing that men aren't needed when it came to parenting children and that most women believe this is the case. As a matter of fact, the opposite is usually true. Most men who have children believe that there is no need for them to be there. They are the ones usually trying to remove themselves from the equation. In fact, my boyfriend and I had a conversation about this EXACT subject this morning. He said to me,"If we ever have kids, don't be like my sister-in-law and neglect them. She never wakes up for her kids and makes her husband do it for her. He's supposed to be in the background making money and she's supposed to be the one watching them." I looked him straight in the eye and said,"If I had kids with you, I would love them dearly (and wake up with them as much as possible) and I wouldn't be surprised if I had to do the majority of watching them since you make more money than I do, BUT if you think your job is to just work and ignore your children and be only a sperm donor, then you're sadly mistaken. Kids need their father. I know you were abandoned by yours before you were born and that's why you are confused by this, but I'll help you with it." He just stared at me shocked for a long period of time. He didn't actually understand that children could need him for a father as more than just a wallet and sperm donor. Secondly, it disturbed me quite a bit how several people claiming to be "neutral" just wound up insulting women. Like the one woman who said she was neutral (who Woggle loved) while at the same time calling women weak. =/ Yea, that's not being neutral. And I didn't appreciate her automatically assuming that all feminists want to destroy families and hate women staying at home. Women staying at home is fine, but its better for them to also have the option to work and realize that if they stay at home they are taking a huge risk. Men or women who stay at home depend on their spouse financially because its next to impossible to suddenly start a career out of nothing after years of not working. They'll often stay in an abusive situation in order to not become homeless rather than feel that they can leave. Wasn't there a thread recently on here about a woman afraid of relationships because her housewife Mom stayed with her father even though he cheated on her all the time for this same reason? Thirdly, I'd like to announce that I am a feminist and that there's nothing wrong with being a feminist. I am sorry to you Woggle for having such an abusive and evil mother, but just because your mother was abusive doesn't mean all feminists are. This is going to be hard to explain, but I can relate in a different way. My Mother is a wonderful Mother now, but she was very abusive to me growing up. She didn't do it over gender issues, but over religious ones. I was beaten by my Mom and some extended relatives as well. They claimed that I was possessed by the devil and needed an exorcism and that they could beat the evil out of me. You know how there's that whole idea that children who see something disturbing to them (like their Mom prostituting herself out) that they draw pictures of it? Well, I did something similar. I made a very cheery song up about how I was possessed by the devil when I was a young child and sang about it to some people and scared the crap out of them. My Mom and Uncle told me I was going to hell and it was my nightmare almost every night. I had dreams of marrying the devil and falling down into hell and being tortured for all eternity. I would curl up in balls and pray for forgiveness every night, begging God not to punish me. I was also tormented regularly in school. Picked on constantly by other kids and a loner the majority of my life. When I became an adult, I was a huge mess of mental health issues that I'm still very ashamed of ever having. And I still struggle with my lack of all self-esteem. I have none. Zero. I suffered through panic attacks and all kinds of horrible things that I wouldn't wish on anyone. And just because people didn't know how to raise me right and people needed someone to pick on at my schools. I didn't do anything. My Mom, although her and I get along so much better now (and I have a deeper understanding of her and the abuse she suffered from her own mother during childhood that prevented her from knowing how to be a good mother), still believes that she has visions from God. I roll my eyes every time she talks to me about how she saw a demon in the grocery store or the Pastor's face full of leprosy divinely from God and that's how she knows that there is evil in such and such place or that such and such person is secretly homosexual. But even so, I DO NOT HATE CHRISTIANS. I know my Mom was twisting Christianity and mixing it with her abusive past and mental health issues and making it something that its not. Nothing in the Bible says beat your daughter and tell her that she's possessed by the devil. In fact, I hope to take my own kids to church, but to tell them that they are not going to hell and anyone that tries to tell them otherwise is full of it. It's the same with feminists. There's some ****ing crazy bitch feminists out there, but that doesn't mean that feminists are usually bad people or have wrong intentions. You have to judge people as individuals. If you associate all feminists with your Mother than you become cruel like your mother to innocent people who didn't do crap to you. Claiming that these people are out to get you when they aren't. Claiming that having a vagina makes someone bad or wanting to further women's rights makes them bad. It doesn't automatically. Just like your Mother was wrong in trying to remove your penis. That was abusive, disgusting, and totally inappropriate. Also, about the article . . . . . please don't be mad that they were upset by pornography. I think they have a point when it comes to pornography in our culture and that people should be less harshly criticized for disapproving of it. Do I think that gives them a right to hate men? No and I was very upset when they ended their article that way. It ruined a lot of the strength of the article to stoop to that level. At the same time, I read the anti-feminist blog. XD And I agree with one of the articles. I like the slutwalks, but absolutely hate the name. They should be respectwalks or something. Yes, I am dressed in very little, but still respect me should be the message. =S That bothered me before I read that article as well. I felt it didn't further the cause of women to embrace the world slut or whatever. I also like the idea of embracing positive ideas as much as possible and not just negative ones. You can't deny that abuse exists, but that doesn't mean we can't look towards a positive future. I know men are treated like crap sometimes by women because there's bad people of both genders out there. In fact, one of the latest ones that has been greatly upsetting me is how people keep telling me to "train" my boyfriend. A dentist asked me to start making my boyfriend floss his teeth more. My boyfriend's own Mom gave me advice on how to train him. Two room mates we've had gave me many speeches on how withholding the pussy can make a man do anything and how I should practice this. Sometimes I argue when people do this and other times I nod my head politely. It makes me mad because my boyfriend isn't my dog. He's a grown man and I can't "train" him to do ****. If he respects and loves me, then we'll find a way to be able to meet each other's needs. If he wants to floss his teeth then he'll do it on his own. I can ask him to do things, but I can't make him because he's his own person. And withholding things from my boyfriend in order to punish him is abusive in my opinion. I made a promise to him that I'd never refuse sex or withhold love in order to purposefully "punish" him. My ex used to withhold love when I didn't do things that he wanted for weeks or months at a time and it destroyed me emotionally. It's WRONG. So yes, I know women get bad ideas in their heads about hurting men and practice them. But that doesn't mean the reverse isn't true. My ex manipulated and abused me in a variety of ways. I've seen my best girlfriends sacrifice a lot and go through a lot of **** themselves. One of the most spiritual moments in my life was when I was in a class full of black people. (I'm white BTW.) We were watching a movie about the civil rights movement, JFK, and Lyndon B. Johnson. I noticed during the movie that one of my friends was bouncing her leg nervously during the movie. I asked her about it and soon we had formed a group outside of the class room (it was during our break) where several of them were sharing stories about times when they had been treated poorly because of their race. A lot of people will say racism doesn't exist nowadays and that we worked through all that, but its so not true! If that was true, then one of the girls wouldn't have a story about how she was a nurse for a handicapped person that she had to regularly change the diaper of who would throw his poop at her and call her the n-word! By the end of the conversation, we were all crying and hugging each other. Listen, I've seen racism where black people accused white people of being racist when they weren't or treated white people as inferior. I've read articles where a black guy shot down and murdered a bunch of people of all races at his workplace (including other blacks) because he felt like the people were being racist towards him. It ended with him shooting himself in the head and claiming he was on some kind of great mission. Do all those facts negate that blacks get treated poorly because of their race in the world? It doesn't. Every situation has to be approached individually. And it also doesn't mean by sympathizing with them that I am claiming the same never happens in reverse. Of course it does. Men get treated like crap, yes, but the women who are treated like crap aren't making it up or just pretending to have victim mentalities in all cases or even necessarily in the majority. I hate how people constantly claim this because its not true. I have as of yet to actually approach a man and claim that his stories of his abusive past are made up bull**** (although I'm sure there's men out there who do make it up, just like there are women who do the same), so I'd appreciate if they didn't always assume the same. And Woggle, I'm so, so sorry that you suffered what you did. I disagree that anyone here wasn't sympathizing with you for it like one person claimed. All our hearts were going out to you. But you need to remember two things . . . . 1. When you are feeling upset by women treating men like **** then don't make provoking threads about it. You'll get more positive responses if you say stuff like "I'm very hurt by my past and struggling to understand why I've heard some women say certain things in my life" then if you say "I hate how all women and feminists just want to oppress men." I know you have gotten a lot better and don't do this all the time, just remember this. That's why you've gotten some negative responses in the past. 2. Don't argue with women who hate men and expect sympathy for your past from those same women. They aren't going to give it to you because they aren't mentally healthy. But the right women will. And remember how you used to be full of hate and a misogynist because of the abuse you suffered? That's why some women are misandrists, too. It's not excusable either way, but that might help you not hate them. No one in this world has it easy: man or woman. And I think that's where a lot of people get confused as well. Anyway, I think that covers the majority of what I wanted to say, but I'm not sure since it was so much and I didn't quote anyone. Edited July 22, 2011 by Enchanted Girl
Author Woggle Posted July 22, 2011 Author Posted July 22, 2011 That was a mouthful but for the most part I agree. I think one of the best things about a healthy two parent family is showing your kids what a healthy relationship is. It's one of the best gifts you can give them because all around the dating world there are damaged people who have scars from never having seen that. I don't think that all feminism is about hating men but sadly many man haters have used it as an excuse and have tarnished it's image. If feminists who truly are about equality would openly distance themselves from the misandrists it would do a world of good. It's similiar to how the Catholic church covers up for pedophiles. Once a movement starts defending the indefensible it tarnishes the whole thing.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 That was a mouthful but for the most part I agree. I think one of the best things about a healthy two parent family is showing your kids what a healthy relationship is. It's one of the best gifts you can give them because all around the dating world there are damaged people who have scars from never having seen that. I don't think that all feminism is about hating men but sadly many man haters have used it as an excuse and have tarnished it's image. If feminists who truly are about equality would openly distance themselves from the misandrists it would do a world of good. It's similiar to how the Catholic church covers up for pedophiles. Once a movement starts defending the indefensible it tarnishes the whole thing. Well, the difference between the Catholic church and feminists is we don't have any set leaders like the Pope (that I know of) who can come forward as a representation of the majority of us and say that feminism isn't about man hating and women who man hate aren't true feminists. We can only argue about this as individuals and unfortunately me saying what I did only a select few people will read and it won't get to the majority of people who misunderstand this.
Author Woggle Posted July 23, 2011 Author Posted July 23, 2011 Well, the difference between the Catholic church and feminists is we don't have any set leaders like the Pope (that I know of) who can come forward as a representation of the majority of us and say that feminism isn't about man hating and women who man hate aren't true feminists. We can only argue about this as individuals and unfortunately me saying what I did only a select few people will read and it won't get to the majority of people who misunderstand this. I agree but if well known feminist voices came right out said it it would do a world of good.
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 For the record, and I'm sure I've said it before, I consider myself a feminist. I am proud to say so. I disparage people who espouse hate and bigotry in the name of feminism, just as I do when it's under any other banner. I probably came from a family of feminists. My parents had a traditional marriage but I NEVER had any version of a "typical" female role even presented to me growing up. My father was a doctor and I NEVER thought that was a job for a man. Actually, it's kind of odd, because my dad really did expect my mother to "do for him" (doing for her kids, however, was not required) in all of the traditional ways and was a dick to her if she fell down on those jobs. But that wasn't projected upon my sisters or me. My paternal grandmother was a graduate of UC Berkley, which was not common for a woman of her day, and she was an active suffragette in California as well as a skilled professional employed at Stanford University. She was an important person in my life. Sometimes here on LS, if somebody mentions that women's rights and equality needed (and still do need, somewhat) to be fought for, one of the anti-women guys will say that no women's rights would have been had if not for the husbands, brothers and sons of women. No argument to that. I will say, though, that those men were, themselves, feminists. In closing, also for the record, I would like to caution you guys who like to use the term "Feminazi." The term was popularized by a very disreputable, obese, drug addicted, dishonest sex tourist. Would you like to be aligned with such a person? I didn't think so.
Author Woggle Posted July 23, 2011 Author Posted July 23, 2011 I know Rush Limbaugh who I despise popularized it but the way some talk about men sounds very nazi like. The SCUM manifesto is just a vile piece of work that advocates treating men the way the nazis treated anybody who was not aryan.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 I'm going to add a weird comment to the conversation. It's not just men that get in the way of women's rights, its actually women as well. I've had lots of problems with Christians (even though I don't hate them) and one of those was the fact that I wanted to become a Pastor. This isn't a well-known fact by secular culture, but the majority of Christians believe that a woman is stepping out of her place if she tries to become a spiritual leader. I eventually gave up because I didn't feel like I was necessarily the best Christian out there (although I knew the Bible better than my own Pastor) and I got tired of the constant criticism. I saw a lot of men go into seminary and bible college and stuff. And they'd all be congratulated. The fact that I wanted to be a Pastor was something I didn't lie about, but also didn't speak about openly. And whenever people asked me about it, I'd get criticized every single time, by BOTH men and women. Women would tell me I was stepping out of my place and that I'd learn soon enough that all I wanted to really be was a housewife. I also went to a Christian school. And was actually confronted in class by the rest of my class and my teacher because they were talking about how women should never be pastors and found out that I wanted to become one. Also, a few months ago, when I was taking my last few classes before graduation (I went to a Christian school), the teacher was talking about logic and said,"I'm going to be sexist right now" like he wasn't even ashamed of it! And then began to talk about how women are too emotional to have logic. All the men agreed, but I started shouting the word,"NO!" The teacher said,"Don't you girls all agree that women are irrational and ruled by their emotions?" I screamed,"NO!" again, but the rest of the girls (because they were airheads) nodded and giggled and exclaimed,"YES!" I don't view men as the enemy when it comes to feminism. I've met A LOT of sexist women.
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 I don't view men as the enemy when it comes to feminism. I've met A LOT of sexist women. I agree 100%. Men and women alike have, and continue to feed into sexism. Woggle, the SCUM manifesto is a rant by a crazy person. Why even have that on your radar?
Author Woggle Posted July 23, 2011 Author Posted July 23, 2011 I agree 100%. Men and women alike have, and continue to feed into sexism. Woggle, the SCUM manifesto is a rant by a crazy person. Why even have that on your radar? Because it is considered a feminist classic by many and Valerie Solonas was called a hero by the head of NOW at the time after she tried to murder Andy Warhol. Look it up on Wikipedia.
Enchanted Girl Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 (edited) Because it is considered a feminist classic by many and Valerie Solonas was called a hero by the head of NOW at the time after she tried to murder Andy Warhol. Look it up on Wikipedia. The blog you posted was considered a feminist classic???? Also, I remember you talking about this and the SCUM manifesto before. I promise you that most feminists don't want genocide against men and that was a very, very small extremist group that felt that way. I believe we came to that conclusion last time you talked about it on here. If all feminists really felt that way, then men in the west would be dying and their would be a war going on right now. There's A LOT of feminists in the western world and if we were all to rise up and become that extreme, it would be like the L.A. riots times several thousand. You can't lose sleep over extremists, they'll go to jail if they try anything . . . . . I'm having an argument right now on another thread with a man defending beating women and so far, I'm not at all angry. I consider him to be behaving like an extremist. Edited July 23, 2011 by Enchanted Girl
D-Lish Posted August 1, 2011 Posted August 1, 2011 It's not just porn. People keep asking me for evidence of misandry and here it is. I think it's more that you keep looking for it... If all you're looking for is evidence of misandry- you'll find it.... Because you focus on finding examples of it. You always focus on finding this sort of information. I understand why you have this issue given what your mother was like. You had a very poor female role model in your mother. You also have an ex-wife that was a whole lot like your mother. It's no wonder you have such a negative view of women. You've had two long term experiences with women that were pretty terrible. People in general can be terrible- but you have a woman now that is pretty awesome- and you don't deny that ever. I think you chose your ex-wife because she was like your mother and that's all you knew then. I think you fell for your current wife because something inside of you realized not all women are terrible misandrists, and you'd had enough of being treated badly. It's your mom Woggle- she messed with your head- you have to find a way to put that behind you.
sally4sara Posted August 1, 2011 Posted August 1, 2011 I know Rush Limbaugh who I despise popularized it but the way some talk about men sounds very nazi like. The SCUM manifesto is just a vile piece of work that advocates treating men the way the nazis treated anybody who was not aryan. I suggest you do a little reading about Valerie Solanas because she was in no way a spokesperson for the feminist movement. She had a long, well documented history of mental illness. She was constantly in and out of psych wards and prison and jail. Up to the day she died, broke and alone she was turning tricks to support her drug habit. Even the shooting of Warhol had nothing to do with the feminist movement. It wasn't because he was a man. She was crazy and her paranoia had her believing he owed her money for writing and acting. All you know is she wrote something called The SCUM Manifesto so you think she was a feminist. Read it. It makes no ****ing sense and is little more than the scribblings of a schizophrenic. In what way did it help the feminist movement? In what way was her life dedicated to the feminist movement?
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