cheergirl Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 I have no problems with feminism because I support most of it's aims. I am pro-choice and I even support passing the ERA but the discourse has become hijacked by extremist manhaters and the rational voices have been drowned out. My wife has been called a stepford wife because she won't cheat on me. A faithful woman is now considered a stepford wife. I think the main goals equal pay for equal work have more or less been achieved... The TF brigade has gone beyond that and there is a lot of misandry, now. Just as wrong as misogyny, but a whole lot more prevalent and virtually unchallenged.:eek::( I remember a quote: "Women hold up half the sky" or something like that. That is a good sentiment, conversely men hold up the other half. They are not all potential rapists and misogynists. This insults half the planet.. Shameful! Our fathers, brothers and husbands, cousins and boyfriends are all cretins??? I should say not!!! We can't change human nature and biology.... Stepford wife? Yeah, I've heard that insult bandied about as well... One question, are you guys happy? then screw 'em... Happiness is the one thing that tends to elude these women. They tend to be a selfish, bitter, miserable lot. Yes, I am generalising, from my great wealth of personal experience of radical TFs... My advice, don't engage...Like the dinosaurs, they will die out...
Author Woggle Posted July 17, 2011 Author Posted July 17, 2011 The sad thing is that many of them have sons and yet still throw around their misandry. Do they not realize what they are doing to their own flesh and blood. My mother constantly trashed men and eventually turned her rage at me.
Disillusioned Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 People keep asking me for evidence of misandry and here it is. This other site has you beat: http://www.heartless-bitches.com/ The hatred even extends to some other women.
cheergirl Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 bad post. markd for deleteion. bad spelling, marked for correction... d-e-l-e-t-i-o-n:) "Bad" post? I think it's quite good actually... Passionate, well-written, reasonable. Oh, let me guess...You don't agree="Bad" I'm a "bad" machine... No, I just say and think what I believe, if you don't like it, that's okay, it's just my opinion. Cheers!
EasyHeart Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 I don't see that it's possible to successfully argue this, because the irony is that without agriculture, you wouldn't even be able to conceptualize this -- you'd still be in the cave about this and many things.I'm not sure this would be a bad things, considering some of the ridiculous things I see in this forum. Sally has a legitimate point. Agriculture creates surpluses, surpluses create wealth, wealth creates war and war creates governments. Saying that agriculture is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity is certainly a legitimate argument. The problem is that agriculture is like an infection -- it spreads. Once one group starts doing, then everyone has to do it, because the agricultural societies will bring their armies to take your land and enslave you.
rafallus Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) I'm not sure this would be a bad things, considering some of the ridiculous things I see in this forum. Sally has a legitimate point. Agriculture creates surpluses, surpluses create wealth, wealth creates war and war creates governments. Saying that agriculture is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity is certainly a legitimate argument. The problem is that agriculture is like an infection -- it spreads. Once one group starts doing, then everyone has to do it, because the agricultural societies will bring their armies to take your land and enslave you. Then again, agriculture was bound to be born, because humans always have and always will strive for efficiency in acquiring supplies necessary to survive - hence technology. Maximizing efficiency however would inherently equate to abuse of some people. Some felt that it isn't right. Hence laws, regulations and moral code - basically, culture. I see all that nasty stuff (war, slavery, abuse otherwise) as struggle to find balance between both. Somebody had to **** up to know that it was wrong. Getting everything right on the first try is wishful thinking - sure, price is enormous, sometimes in millions of lives, but what is the alternative? None. Then again, obviously, there are guys who had access to information to know that was wrong, and did it anyway (see Mao and Great leap forward - had chairman considered that sparrows eat locust, and farmers may not be the most efficient at forging, multiple millions of Chinese at the time would make it). But they can be easily classified as psychopaths. Saying that agriculture is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity is certainly a legitimate argument.I agree. I will also add that looking at things this way, it was the only thing that could happen - so it's immediately the best and the worst at once. Edited July 17, 2011 by rafallus
cheergirl Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 The sad thing is that many of them have sons and yet still throw around their misandry. Do they not realize what they are doing to their own flesh and blood. My mother constantly trashed men and eventually turned her rage at me. I know a few chaps in their 30s/40s who this has happened to... One is gorgeous, intelligent, successful and utterly emotionally f*cked... No trust of women because of his mum's misandrist attitudes. Thoroughly Decent guy, but the lack of trust in women in general was staggering... It all came out one night we were laughing drinking had a lovely meal. i was talking about growing up in the US. i cheered, he wanted to see a cheer so i told him about the cheers we used to make up for the players using pop songs. It was just a bit of fun... I did one for him and he suddenly changed; went very quiet, very down and sad and then angry... He said: "How come nobody's ever done a cheer for me? My whole life, no-one... my family didn't come to see me play sports (he was very good). " He recounted an incident where as a child he finally got the better of a bullying cousin and he was chastised for it. He was so hurt, and his take on all this was he felt punished/victimised by his own mum and sisters for the male patriarchal system. He feels they used his childhood (him) to get back at men, used him as an emotional punching bag..." i mean, wow... I know some women will read this and immediately laugh or make sarcastic comments. Sad... No child deserves to be sacrificed on the altar of our own political beliefs. Certainly not on the basis of their gender. This is clear enough when we look at foreign cultures and how they treat their girls, we are outraged with barbaric practices in africa, restrictive burkhas in afghanistan, but we are less aware of our emasculation /shaming of our own male children. I think this is a lot more prevalent than we admit. The shaming of our male children in the generations since the 70s, is a disgrace. they are/were just children. They are not responsible for what happened before them... Woggle, I have a boy and a girl... i have raised them both to be strong pro-active people who communicate well. they stand up for themselves, yet they are kind and compassionate. I taught the boy to respect me and his sister, she's older, as women. But I have also taught my daughter to respect her brother; as a man.. He's only 14 but in the last year has surpassed us in both height and weight and is for all intents and purposes, physically a man. i do not allow my daughter to nag him, to insult him in any way, which is her default way of being... I do not want him to be comfortable with that behaviour. I have taught him to be loving and courteous and protective to his sister, which requires a lot of talking and demonstrating, it's working. i hope they will find respective partners who exhibit these qualities.
cheergirl Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 You want to know how misandry is expressed, here and other forums, and in real life? the face of it? (the topic of the thread) This thread is full of examples. When a man brings up an issue important to him that concerns gender relations, if that issue takes any bit of the spotlight off women and their issues, or puts any woman or any group of women anywhere in a bad light, the nauseatingly self-righteous "enlightened ones" come out to play and either a)lecture on at the unenlightened one over and over and over like a party member going around to the gulag to brainwash detainees by repetition, b)start in with insults to that man or others who agree with him, c)bog the discussion down with fallacious statements, straw men, non sequiturs, and the jury is still out as to whether this is done on purpose or just a reflection on the average female's lack of logical capacity. One thing's for certain, all the self-righteous blather will drown out most anything meaningful that could come from the topic, a discussion of pornography, a discussion of blogs, a discussion of misandry, etc. That's misandry. well put...
Author Woggle Posted July 17, 2011 Author Posted July 17, 2011 My mother did even worse to me. First of all she abused my father in front of me who did nothing but support her in anything she wanted to and in return I had to see her scream at him, throw dishes at him and cheat on him left and right. After my mother threw him out she would scream at me on an almost daily basis then started beating me. She also used to hold her feminist meetings in my house where at the age of 10 I would hear her and her friends calling for genocide of the male gender. One night she was mad at me and came in my room with a knife while holding it to my penis and threatening to give me a sex change. As an adult she refused to go my college graduation because she will not boost the male ego plus she says she feels more maternal towards my ex wife who tried to shoot me than she every did towards me. With all of this she still sees herself as the victim.
Feelsgoodman Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 My mother did even worse to me. First of all she abused my father in front of me who did nothing but support her in anything she wanted to and in return I had to see her scream at him, throw dishes at him and cheat on him left and right. After my mother threw him out she would scream at me on an almost daily basis then started beating me. She also used to hold her feminist meetings in my house where at the age of 10 I would hear her and her friends calling for genocide of the male gender. One night she was mad at me and came in my room with a knife while holding it to my penis and threatening to give me a sex change. As an adult she refused to go my college graduation because she will not boost the male ego plus she says she feels more maternal towards my ex wife who tried to shoot me than she every did towards me. With all of this she still sees herself as the victim. That is absolutely horrible, Woggle. I can't even imagine what growing up with a mother like that must have been like. Your dad deserves part of the blame too, however, for marrying and having kids with a psycho like that.
cheergirl Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 My mother did even worse to me. First of all she abused my father in front of me who did nothing but support her in anything she wanted to and in return I had to see her scream at him, throw dishes at him and cheat on him left and right. After my mother threw him out she would scream at me on an almost daily basis then started beating me. She also used to hold her feminist meetings in my house where at the age of 10 I would hear her and her friends calling for genocide of the male gender. One night she was mad at me and came in my room with a knife while holding it to my penis and threatening to give me a sex change. As an adult she refused to go my college graduation because she will not boost the male ego plus she says she feels more maternal towards my ex wife who tried to shoot me than she every did towards me. With all of this she still sees herself as the victim. Geez Woggle, that kind of makes sense, I am so sorry...that's horrific... and as a boy you probably thought it was your fault, still trying to figure out why your mum did this, maybe even tried to protect her... She was abusive and YOU DIDN'T DESERVE THAT I hope you finally get that and don't allow her madness to corrupt you. You are only the fourth guy I've heard talk about a psycho-feminist mum and the damage she caused. I hope you can talk about it more, get it out in the open so that the next generation doesn't have to suffer like you... I hope your wife is kind and gentle with you, you deserve it... That is absolutely horrible, Woggle. I can't even imagine what growing up with a mother like that must have been like. Your dad deserves part of the blame too, however, for marrying and having kids with a psycho like that. Way to show compassion, dude.... Do you think his wife was like that when they got married:rolleyes::rolleyes: she was probably nice and normal, then decided men were the enemy and punished her husband and son thereafter... Her husband cannot be blamed for that. If he left her, he's be an "abandoning bastard", if he gave her a slap he'd be an "abusive bastard". With women like this, a man cannot win; he can't even break even... The seeing herself as a victim, typical.. even though the last 30 yrs no-one dares disagree with her she's still fighting... It would be funny if the effects on her children/husband/life weren't so caustic... Again, sorry for what's happened to you, avoid these psychos like the plague-they are what they are and they don't change... The lack of accountability is what gets me...
Feelsgoodman Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 Way to show compassion, dude.... Do you think his wife was like that when they got married:rolleyes::rolleyes: she was probably nice and normal, then decided men were the enemy and punished her husband and son thereafter... Her husband cannot be blamed for that. If he left her, he's be an "abandoning bastard", if he gave her a slap he'd be an "abusive bastard". With women like this, a man cannot win; he can't even break even... Yeah, I think she was already nuts when they got married. A normal woman does just suddenly turn into a psychotic man hating feminist b*tch who threatens her own son with castration. And the fact that Woggle's dad stayed with that woman despite years of abuse and only left when she threw him out does not speak highly of his character either. He should have never allowed the situation to get to that point in the first place. As for compassion, I have great sympathy for people like Woggle. Kids are the only real victims in situations like this. As for adults who choose to stay in abusive relationships, I have very little sympathy for. You cannot choose your parents, but you can certainly choose who you marry and continue to shack up with.
Author Woggle Posted July 18, 2011 Author Posted July 18, 2011 My current wife is the best thing that ever happened to me and has restored my faith in women because honestly after the divorce from my first wife I had become a serious misogynist. I ended up marrying a psycho who cheated on me and shot out the windows to my house when she found out I was getting remarried. She is now serving time for trying to rob a Dunkin Donuts to fuel her drug habit. My mother considers her a political prisoner. Now that I am in a good marriage I have noticed there are a number of women who fully reject the misandrist crap. It took years to undo the self hated but it has not been easy. I don't blame my father but for years he sat back and did nothing. If that were my son I would have took him and left the country if I had to. My mother has no friends left and insists it is because she is a strong woman.
cheergirl Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 Yeah, I think she was already nuts when they got married. A normal woman does just suddenly turn into a psychotic man hating feminist b*tch who threatens her own son with castration. And the fact that Woggle's dad stayed with that woman despite years of abuse and only left when she threw him out does not speak highly of his character either. He should have never allowed the situation to get to that point in the first place. As for compassion, I have great sympathy for people like Woggle. Kids are the only real victims in situations like this. As for adults who choose to stay in abusive relationships, I have very little sympathy for. You cannot choose your parents, but you can certainly choose who you marry and continue to shack up with. You think... You think? But do you know, geez it mustbe great to be omniscient... It's sooo cool for you to judge his dad... People are people and stay for a variety of reasons... Nice to know you blame them for their abuse... I try to understand and empathize with victims of abuse rather than tell them it's their fault... It can be a confusing situation to be in and I am sure Woggle's dad did the best he could in an extremely difficult situation... Maybe he stayed for the kids sake...
cheergirl Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 My current wife is the best thing that ever happened to me and has restored my faith in women because honestly after the divorce from my first wife I had become a serious misogynist. I ended up marrying a psycho who cheated on me and shot out the windows to my house when she found out I was getting remarried. She is now serving time for trying to rob a Dunkin Donuts to fuel her drug habit. My mother considers her a political prisoner. :lmao::lmao: Now that I am in a good marriage I have noticed there are a number of women who fully reject the misandrist crap. It took years to undo the self hated but it has not been easy. I don't blame my father but for years he sat back and did nothing. If that were my son I would have took him and left the country if I had to. My mother has no friends left and insists it is because she is a strong woman. :lmao::lmao: I actually laughed out loud for the last comments in each paragraph... You are a funny dude, write down, do comedy, there's a market i'm sure
Author Woggle Posted July 18, 2011 Author Posted July 18, 2011 :lmao::lmao: I actually laughed out loud for the last comments in each paragraph... You are a funny dude, write down, do comedy, there's a market i'm sure I wish it was a joke. She said that woman can only do wrong when a man brainwashes them to and that her current boyfriend is 100% responsible.
cheergirl Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 I wish it was a joke. She said that woman can only do wrong when a man brainwashes them to and that her current boyfriend is 100% responsible. Having a vagina: It's an eternal, perpetual "get-out-of-jail-free" card for some women. Humour is a good way to deal with stuff sometimes, I wasn't laughing at you or the situation. It's the recognition, the "strong woman" delusion, the self-righteousness, the total lack of accountability and the blame of men for everything bad, past present and future... It should be classified as a psychological condition...
Author Woggle Posted July 18, 2011 Author Posted July 18, 2011 It's actually insulting to women when you think about it. It implies they are poor and helpless creatures.
cheergirl Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 It's actually insulting to women when you think about it. It implies they are poor and helpless creatures. EXACTLY! It's like the end of WarGames.. When they realise the only way to win is not to play... This way of thinking is prevalent, rife on this forum. Grown women not accepting responsibility, blaming the guy for everything. It's ridiculous...
sally4sara Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 Oh really? Wars been around since like what? Forever? Do I really need to give examples of wars throughout documented history since ancient times? I definitely don't think so. There was nothing to war over when the land owned itself and no one needed to own other people to work the land no one owned. And consider, how many more (percentage wise, are you sure you take into account that global population is growing? Maybe that fact rings a bell on its very own?) people died in past times. Spanish Flu? Great leap forward in China? Actually, both are accounted by drastic decline for several years in overall growing trend. Most of our diseases have come from owning cattle and work animals. As for pandemics, compare, how many people died due to Black Death and Spanish Flu, and how many died due to some BS swine/pig flu, even taking higher global population into account. WHO doesn't **** around with quarantine measures, when transport lines become closed and bans on food import/export ensue. Like I said; agriculture brought the need for owning animals and our worst diseases come from being in close proximity to animals. Cows, pigs, chickens, rats, cats and dogs. The black plague was about us living in our own filth and RATS. It was solved with SOAP! Cities for people to over crowd and draw rats didn't exist till after agriculture. Food processing becomes more and more efficient (they better be, because, yet again, population is growing, do you think medieval ways of making food would have any chance in the face of six billions people worldwide? Me neither), so does health care. Even African country are starting to catch up (political situation is quite different story). Food processing helps iron out some of the issues agriculture brought us. We will constantly evolve but not all change is for the better. Evolution just means to adapt to the situation at hand - not improve upon the previous design. If the world suddenly came to be covered in slick smelly moss, we'd evolve some way to survive in it but would a life in a world covered in slick smelly moss be an improvement? No guarantee. Religions didn't give you guilt about getting laid? Hmmm, how about checking out, when biggest world religions were founded in the first place (hint: slightly older than Scientology). As for methods, how about comparing use of, say, chastity belts, now and then? None of these religions existed before agriculture. Not a single one. You need a larger population to support a religion and we moved in tribes of 150 people splitting off into a new tribe when the numbers rose above. Gender wars? How about witch hunting prevalent in past times, lovely habit - someone accuses you, and you have the chance of being incinerated (still happens today, but where exactly? Easy read gives you basic answers). Do consider also, what kind of people get into gender wars today. Do you see millions of opressed women (or men, depending which side you ask) in the malls, living in daily terror of being burned as witch (or castrated, if men)? Or maybe it's just a bunch or bitter people (or trolls) over internet? Again, no religion, no witch trials before agriculture. We have gender wars because once we owned land, we needed an ever growing population to work it so having more babies and slavery was the easiest way to do it. We suddenly owned land and now who it went to after our death became important. Before agriculture, the women in the tribe roamed, gathering most of the food. Roaming women? Who knows who fathered their children? Must keep them inside! Can we own them too! Why sure we can! In fact, lets make a spiritual reason why this should be so. And if they are kept in, they will need us for everything and be less likely to run off. Now we live completely contrary to our original biological imperative and guilt each other with the reasons religion gave us and what we call just, moral, "normal" when one of us fails to live up to it. Technological and cultural progress is in fact improving life standard, and it's pretty ridiculous to think otherwise. Technology is improving the agricultural society we live in. Never said otherwise. But how we relate to each other got all cocked up and the gender wars are the growing pains we must go through to correct what agriculture and religion heaped upon us. I think 200 or so years from now there will be a youtube video talking about how awful it was when we married and tried to own each other and battled it out in court when things got icky. I am thankful everyday that my souse and I are equals and friends and ignore all this bitter crap, but most of what we expect a couple to do just to have this gets jacked up with marriage, gender roles, religion, and what we call normal. What we have would still be even if we never married. And yes, I would eat crickets; more nutritious by the pound than any animal we are use to eating. If you ate them since you were a kid - you wouldn't even know the difference to think a cow, pig or chicken tasted better. Crickets and rice. Crickets and gravy. Crickets and berries. Grubs grubs grubs. Going to Oyamel's later this week for their tequila and cricket tacos. http://www.sexatdawn.com/ If you ignore their personal agenda and just look at how our anthropological education has been warped, you will learn much. Then decide for yourselves.
Author Woggle Posted July 18, 2011 Author Posted July 18, 2011 At the end of the day maybe I should stop looking at stuff like this. I actually searched on google for abusive survivors and trust issues with the opposite sex and this is what came up. I saw it and next thing you know about an hour or so later I was sitting there seething.
Untouchable_Fire Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 And yes, I would eat crickets; more nutritious by the pound than any animal we are use to eating. If you ate them since you were a kid - you wouldn't even know the difference to think a cow, pig or chicken tasted better. Crickets and rice. Crickets and gravy. Crickets and berries. Grubs grubs grubs. Going to Oyamel's later this week for their tequila and cricket tacos. http://www.sexatdawn.com/ If you ignore their personal agenda and just look at how our anthropological education has been warped, you will learn much. Then decide for yourselves. Do you really believe all this nonsense? It's about as scientific as a Micheal Moore documentary. It's like Rush Limbaugh does anthropology. I have a degree in Human Genetics, and I worked on the Human Genome Project in college. Some of the facts they use are solid, but the overall conclusions are shyte. They are clearly trying to sell you a philosophy more than informing you of science. You realize that sexual jealousy is an important factor in most primate groups. It is particularly well documented in baboons and gorillas. Do you think this just "evolved' in humans the moment we discovered how to farm?
Feelsgoodman Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 dum post. marked for deleteion Her post definitely qualifies as 'bad advis'
Feelsgoodman Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 And yes, I would eat crickets; more nutritious by the pound than any animal we are use to eating. If you ate them since you were a kid - you wouldn't even know the difference to think a cow, pig or chicken tasted better. Crickets and rice. Crickets and gravy. Crickets and berries. Grubs grubs grubs. Going to Oyamel's later this week for their tequila and cricket tacos. Were your parents feeding you crickets when you were growing up? Your posts are evidence of the fact that a cricket diet does not lead to the development of a healthy brain.
rafallus Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) And yes, I would eat crickets; more nutritious by the pound than any animal we are use to eating. If you ate them since you were a kid - you wouldn't even know the difference to think a cow, pig or chicken tasted better. Crickets and rice. Crickets and gravy. Crickets and berries. Grubs grubs grubs. Going to Oyamel's later this week for their tequila and cricket tacos. http://www.sexatdawn.com/ If you ignore their personal agenda and just look at how our anthropological education has been warped, you will learn much. Then decide for yourselves.Funny that you mention "agenda" part. Weren't you per chance arguing in some other topic how husbands in WW2 were sharing wives, desperately trying to prove, how monogamy isn't natural? Maybe not, then, "so what"? So now agriculture isn't natural either, leads to war, oppression, slavery, government, Hitler (up yours, Godwin's law!), Stalin, Flava Flav, etc... Fine. May I ask you respectfully: What was the alternative? And pretty please, tell me, how would it take into account this little estimation: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Population_curve.svg/550px-Population_curve.svg.png As for diseases part: are you trying to suggest that cavemen were somehow less troubled with diseases, just because they didn't deal with cattle? Were your parents feeding you crickets when you were growing up? Your posts are evidence of the fact that a cricket diet does not lead to the development of a healthy brain. And in case of overeating, diet probably would involve this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2erzR4rMhM&feature=related Edited July 18, 2011 by rafallus
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