Sanman Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 I was reading the bitter guys thread and someone mentioned SATC and it being a poor influence on women. It gave me the thought about what the show would have been like if the gender roles were reversed: A. A serial womanizer pushing 40 and going through women constantly B. A guy hung up on hot woman is constantly unsure if she really want a relationship with him while passing up great women. C. A workaholic lawyer that is bitter D. A guy who wants a fairytale, model hot, homemaker wife Would this show be a hit? Would you watch it? Thoughts?
Ruby Slippers Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 People will watch any garbage on TV. A friend twisted my arm into watching this show with her. It had its moments. The best part of it, for me, was the tight friendship between the women. All my friends agree with this. In fact, it encouraged us to make more time for hanging out, doing cool things together, being there for each other -- just like they did.
carhill Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 What if SATC had been about men? It wouldn't have lasted beyond the pilot.
make me believe Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 I love it when people who have seen maybe a couple of episodes of SATC and read a couple of ranty articles about it blow it off as a show about "slutty" women and a "bad influence" on women (cause you know us women, all it takes is a tv show to get us to spread our legs for the bad boys & leave all the so-called nice guys in the dust, right?). If SATC had been a show about a group of single men it would have been totally different than a show about a group of single women. So? What's your point? I don't get why people get so hung up on this one single show. What is so threatening/offensive about it? I mean, really, if a show portrays a single woman who isn't completely miserable with her life, well....we just can't have that, can we? It's a bad influence on the girls!
Cee Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 Entourage is the best equivalent of SATC. It's a bunch of regular guys from Queens who make it big in Hollywood. And with that comes a lot of sex and fast cars. There is even the SATC type foursome. Entourage is a total popcorn fantasy, but entertaining to watch. I think that show is 1,000x more watchable than SATC.
Author Sanman Posted July 4, 2011 Author Posted July 4, 2011 I love it when people who have seen maybe a couple of episodes of SATC and read a couple of ranty articles about it blow it off as a show about "slutty" women and a "bad influence" on women (cause you know us women, all it takes is a tv show to get us to spread our legs for the bad boys & leave all the so-called nice guys in the dust, right?). If SATC had been a show about a group of single men it would have been totally different than a show about a group of single women. So? What's your point? I don't get why people get so hung up on this one single show. What is so threatening/offensive about it? I mean, really, if a show portrays a single woman who isn't completely miserable with her life, well....we just can't have that, can we? It's a bad influence on the girls! I'm not hung up on anything. I have seen a few episodes of SATC and entourage and don't really care too much for either. I just had the thought and was curious about what everyone thought.
Queen Zenobia Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 Would this show be a hit? Would you watch it? Thoughts? I didn't watch SATC when it was about women and I wouldn't watch it if it were about men. Shows like SATC just aren't my cup of tea. Would it be a hit? Maybe, maybe not. I think in order to do so it would have to be a hybrid of Entourage and The League.
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 I thought SACT was a "bad" show but not because it was teaching us women an inappropriate lesson (and that we'd learn better stuff watching Little House on the Prairie or Focus on the Family). Well, to be perfectly honest, I enjoyed it for a while, and then just grew weary of it. I mean SACT - not "Focus on the Family." There are plenty of shows about misbehaving men - what is coming to mind right now is "Californication," where David Duchovny (sp?) plays a completely self indulgent sex addict who is a flaming screw - up. But still manages to be a sympathetic character. It's fiction, folks. If the characters and the situations grab us - it's golden.
Author Sanman Posted July 4, 2011 Author Posted July 4, 2011 I thought SACT was a "bad" show but not because it was teaching us women an inappropriate lesson (and that we'd learn better stuff watching Little House on the Prairie or Focus on the Family). Well, to be perfectly honest, I enjoyed it for a while, and then just grew weary of it. I mean SACT - not "Focus on the Family." There are plenty of shows about misbehaving men - what is coming to mind right now is "Californication," where David Duchovny (sp?) plays a completely self indulgent sex addict who is a flaming screw - up. But still manages to be a sympathetic character. It's fiction, folks. If the characters and the situations grab us - it's golden. Well, to be fair, I think of Californication as the male version of Weeds
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 Well, to be fair, I think of Californication as the male version of Weeds Well, at the risk of going all off topic and philosophical (as usual); there is a definite trend of shows about absolutely immoral, or at least amoral characters (SATC, Weeds, Californication, The Sopranos, Dexter, Breaking Bad, The Borgias, Nurse Jackie) where the "badness" of the characters or their behavior does not eclipse their humanity, or the ability for average Americans sitting on their butts in their suburban livingrooms to sympathize and even empathize with them. I think it's all the rage.
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 Not the same. Californication is plainly meant as a joke, "laugh at the absurd and clownish antics," very different from SATC. I often find it heartbreaking. It's dark comedy, not a joke.
AlexDP Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 I thought SACT was a "bad" show but not because it was teaching us women an inappropriate lesson (and that we'd learn better stuff watching Little House on the Prairie or Focus on the Family). Well, to be perfectly honest, I enjoyed it for a while, and then just grew weary of it. I mean SACT - not "Focus on the Family." There are plenty of shows about misbehaving men - what is coming to mind right now is "Californication," where David Duchovny (sp?) plays a completely self indulgent sex addict who is a flaming screw - up. But still manages to be a sympathetic character. It's fiction, folks. If the characters and the situations grab us - it's golden. To be frank if SATC damages anyone it's young women. As a guy it doesn't bother me in the least. But the show is about desperately finding the right guy. As if the life of a woman has no meaning if there's no guy right there with her. All four characters lack personality (apart from maybe Samantha, but still) and they are all unhappy, because they don't have a clue who they are. They are incredibly weak, have little to no talent and don't do anything that actually means something, but portray themselves as rolemodels. SATC makes it easier for us men to get laid, but it helps destroying young female psyches in the process.
Kamille Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 To be frank if SATC damages anyone it's young women. As a guy it doesn't bother me in the least. But the show is about desperately finding the right guy. As if the life of a woman has no meaning if there's no guy right there with her. All four characters lack personality (apart from maybe Samantha, but still) and they are all unhappy, because they don't have a clue who they are. They are incredibly weak, have little to no talent and don't do anything that actually means something, but portray themselves as rolemodels. SATC makes it easier for us men to get laid, but it helps destroying young female psyches in the process. Oh please! None of the characters in SATC are portrayed as role models. And Jane Austen definitely beat the male and female writers of SATC to the "twisted" perception that women are desperate to find men. I was in my early 20s before the show came out, and I can tell you the show isn't responsible for "destroying female pysches". My friends and I dealt with the anxieties paired up with wanting a relationship and having a sex drive back then, way before HBO picked up the option on Candice Bushnell's book. Fun tv is fun tv. I don't think Homer Simpson, the Barne character on How I met your mother, every friggin sitcom that glorifies men as irresponsible commitmentphobes, are a bad influence on men. I think men choose how they want to behave. One show that centers on shop-a-olic sexual women, and some guys act as if humanity is under threat. Come on!
Woggle Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 I don't think you can have a show like that about men. Ask most straight men to watch it and most of us can only make it through a half hour.
carhill Posted July 4, 2011 Posted July 4, 2011 Heck, I'm a 'Bridges of Madison County' guy and I couldn't even make it through the youtube clip I linked
Joe Normal Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 I was reading the bitter guys thread and someone mentioned SATC and it being a poor influence on women. It gave me the thought about what the show would have been like if the gender roles were reversed: A. A serial womanizer pushing 40 and going through women constantly B. A guy hung up on hot woman is constantly unsure if she really want a relationship with him while passing up great women. C. A workaholic lawyer that is bitter D. A guy who wants a fairytale, model hot, homemaker wife Would this show be a hit? Would you watch it? Thoughts? No idea but I know it would be a lot funnier.
misssmartypants Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 I had to google "satc tv show" to figure out what the heck the OP was talking about. Personally, I don't have cable. I canceled it about two years ago and my self image and my personal contentment have been steadily improving even since. This show centered around "successful" women who didn't seem to actually work. And pushed the idea that happiness comes from having "the perfect man" and a lot of fashionable shoes. Guess what? I date a guy, but I wouldn't want to be married at this point in life and I own three pairs of shoes and I'm happy that way. My advice: Turn off the idiot box, step away from the consumer life style and quit letting TV writers who are paid by advertisers trying to sell things tell you what will make you happy.
Star Gazer Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 I think it's called Entourage. Yup. SATC is not only about relationships with men, but relationships with women and yourself. Switch genders, and you've got Entourage.
Mme. Chaucer Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 To be frank if SATC damages anyone it's young women. As a guy it doesn't bother me in the least. But the show is about desperately finding the right guy. As if the life of a woman has no meaning if there's no guy right there with her Reels of film and reams of paper including literature written by Shakespeare are devoted to the theme of "finding the right guy." Whether you think it's stupid or not, it's very popular fiction fodder. If it damages anyone's psyche - their psyche was on the rocks in a big way already. They are incredibly weak, have little to no talent and don't do anything that actually means something, but portray themselves as rolemodels. I hate to rain on your parade, but they don't portray themselves as ANYTHING. They are fictional characters; creations of writers and actors. And the characters certainly aren't presented as "role models." If some people want to model themselves after characters on television shows, well, I suppose they can have at it. I'm surprised that you find the characters to be weak and to have no talent or meaningful parts to their lives. One is a published author, one is a lawyer, one owns a successful public relations firm, and the other one had an art gallery and works as a docent in MOMA. Those all sound like pretty fulfilling careers that would be quite meaningful in a person's life, to me. They also really really like fashion, which is cool. And, I was not ever a fan of the show. I just think it's a laugh when I hear about how "BAD" it is for women. We need to be pertected from exposure to skanky broads who have sex because ... they want to have sex, and other horrible things like that.
AlexDP Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 Reels of film and reams of paper including literature written by Shakespeare are devoted to the theme of "finding the right guy." Whether you think it's stupid or not, it's very popular fiction fodder. If it damages anyone's psyche - their psyche was on the rocks in a big way already. I hate to rain on your parade, but they don't portray themselves as ANYTHING. They are fictional characters; creations of writers and actors. And the characters certainly aren't presented as "role models." If some people want to model themselves after characters on television shows, well, I suppose they can have at it. I'm surprised that you find the characters to be weak and to have no talent or meaningful parts to their lives. One is a published author, one is a lawyer, one owns a successful public relations firm, and the other one had an art gallery and works as a docent in MOMA. Those all sound like pretty fulfilling careers that would be quite meaningful in a person's life, to me. They also really really like fashion, which is cool. And, I was not ever a fan of the show. I just think it's a laugh when I hear about how "BAD" it is for women. We need to be pertected from exposure to skanky broads who have sex because ... they want to have sex, and other horrible things like that. If it was about women wanting to have sex I'd have no problem with it. And you're right, they're supposed to have good careers. Not that that matters in the least for them, because they haven't found the right man yet and they feel like failures.
Citizen Erased Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 I think it's called Entourage. exactly what I was thinking.
TaraMaiden Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) What the hell is 'SATC'....?!? A sample of the fare Heck, I'm a 'Bridges of Madison County' guy and I couldn't even make it through the youtube clip I linked Oh my god! me neither!! never seen it, never want to. It's just the most superficial, synthetic, puerile, mind-rotting crap there is.... If this is an indication of American women and their proclivities and tastes, god help America.... Edited July 5, 2011 by TaraMaiden
shadowofman Posted July 5, 2011 Posted July 5, 2011 Californication gets me every time. I one hundred percent relate. SATC is the most superficial, synthetic, puerile, mind-rotting crap there is.... . Perfectly described.
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