John Michael Kane Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 Are you drunk? Why make up stupid crap like this? I did have a few drinks..... But why do you make up crap like this?
GorillaTheater Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 I did have a few drinks..... But why do you make up crap like this? I see infractions in our future, but I'll bite. Present your evidence that I've taken any such position. Either that or f*ck off. Take your pick.
PhoenixRise Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 Makes you wonder if JMK isn't just some troll, posting for a few laughs, and has never been in a relationship in his life much less been cheated on. I dunno, I'm just speculating. Not that JMK should have any issue with doing that. It does indeed make you wonder especially when you consider the fact that this is a thread about a person who was cheated on by her husband and her "good friend" but we have page after page of the BS in the situation being bashed based on idle speculation.
GorillaTheater Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 I didn't edit out anything. It's just getting tiring conversing with betas who like to think of themselves as alphas. Go back to sucking your hotwife's toes. Lying is wrong, John. Please stop lying. I'm so sorry. I've already agreed. I mean, it's not like I need a reminder.
Author alexandria35 Posted June 30, 2011 Author Posted June 30, 2011 Shania Twain did not cheat and she never said she cheated. Kane is insisting that she did because she and the other betrayed spouse became close after they were already seperated but before the divorice was final. He posted a link to an interview where Shania said after she was seperated her and Frederic leaned on each other for support. Shania's husband was still with the OW and had no plan to return to the marriage. Mr. Kane thinks Shania's friendship which later turned to romance was cheating and just as bad as Mutt's affair which was carried out in secret, complete with bald face lies, deceit and gaslighting, unlike Shania who was open and honest about her relationship with Frederic. Mr. Kane appears to be the only poster who holds this opinion.
GorillaTheater Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 Yes, John, it's sausages, not toes. If you want to flame, you're going to have to step it up. Even John's doing better than you.
GorillaTheater Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 If you want to flame, you're going to have to step it up. Even John's doing better than you. Nevermind. I just saw John's latest salvo. You're doing about equally well after all.
John Michael Kane Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 Shania Twain did not cheat and she never said she cheated. Yes she did cheat and she even said she hooked up with the husband during her marriage. Kane is insisting that she did because she and the other betrayed spouse became close after they were already seperated but before the divorice was final. He posted a link to an interview where Shania said after she was seperated her and Frederic leaned on each other for support. Shania's husband was still with the OW and had no plan to return to the marriage. Mr. Kane thinks Shania's friendship which later turned to romance was cheating and just as bad as Mutt's affair which was carried out in secret, complete with bald face lies, deceit and gaslighting, unlike Shania who was open and honest about her relationship with Frederic. Mr. Kane appears to be the only poster who holds this opinion. Doesn't matter if you're open about destructive behavior, because it's still destructive behavior.
Snowflower Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Not really. Because they refuse to see behind their red eyes. I didn't say that someone actually said they advocated those "terms" in this thread, it's just that those who don't think that she didn't cheat (even though she did), actually advocate those "terms" mentioned above. But for a little laugh Just for the record, I never said what JMK quoted in this post. I'm not sure who said it but it wasn't me. Looks like someone is trying to stir the pot.
quankanne Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Mr. Kane thinks Shania's friendship which later turned to romance was cheating and just as bad as Mutt's affair which was carried out in secret, complete with bald face lies, deceit and gaslighting, unlike Shania who was open and honest about her relationship with Frederic. Mr. Kane appears to be the only poster who holds this opinion. actually, I was the one to first bring it up that I thought it was odd that she ended up with her husband's lover's spouse, and suggested that there might be more to it than what's been publicized. Kane just commented on that. as for her cheating, yes, I do consider a relationship outside the marriage while still legally bound to someone as "cheating" regardless of WHO does it. What her husband did was pretty damn horrible, and I don't think she deserved it, yet and I can't turn around and say I agree that her relationship with the OW's husband was a noble thing because she was still legally bound to Lang. it doesn't matter if her husband lied about it and she was a victim; it doesn't matter if she was "completely open and honest" about the new relationship, she doesn't get a pass just because she's a nice person, people, because cheating is cheating is cheating!
Author alexandria35 Posted July 1, 2011 Author Posted July 1, 2011 Her and her husband were already seperated and had decided on divorce when she started the personal friendship with the BH. Her husband had left her for another woman, was still involved with said OW, had made it clear that he didn't want the marriage or Shania anymore. How the heck could Shania cheat under these circumstances. That would be like me telling my best friend that I didn't like them anymore, didn't consider them a friend and get the hell out of my life, and then accusing the same friend of disloyalty and betrayal when she gets a new best friend! I get that you are saying, that legally she was still married, but I don't get at how you don't see a difference between the two relationships. I'm not a BS but from reading the betrayed boards I see that a lot of pain is inflicted by the deceit, the lying, the gaslighting and the total loss of trust. The lies and deceit are what constitutes cheating. What is your opinion on open marriages? An open marriage wouldn't be for me but I have no problem with people who choose this for themselves. It's open, it's honest and everyone knows the score and get a choice.
Mr.Harris Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Her and her husband were already seperated and had decided on divorce when she started the personal friendship with the BH. Her husband had left her for another woman, was still involved with said OW, had made it clear that he didn't want the marriage or Shania anymore. How the heck could Shania cheat under these circumstances. That would be like me telling my best friend that I didn't like them anymore, didn't consider them a friend and get the hell out of my life, and then accusing the same friend of disloyalty and betrayal when she gets a new best friend! I get that you are saying, that legally she was still married, but I don't get at how you don't see a difference between the two relationships. I'm not a BS but from reading the betrayed boards I see that a lot of pain is inflicted by the deceit, the lying, the gaslighting and the total loss of trust. The lies and deceit are what constitutes cheating. What is your opinion on open marriages? An open marriage wouldn't be for me but I have no problem with people who choose this for themselves. It's open, it's honest and everyone knows the score and get a choice. Doesn't matter. She was still married.
summerdowling87 Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 They already knew the consequences. They knew it was going to go out in the open and they didn't care. The selfishness is the same but some cheaters go about it different ways. Fine by me. Anyone in their right mind who divorced their cheating spouse would want nothing to do with anything or anyone who associated with their ex-WS. Separation is not to be used as a medium to get your genitals wet, it's supposed to be used for healing yourself and/or seeing if your marriage can still be salvaged. They got cheated on so the both of them decided to hook up while still married. Why not make something good out of something that was horrible. And I'm sure if she did cheat he surly would have put it out their to take the heat off himself
quankanne Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 I don't get at how you don't see a difference between the two relationships. if she was still legally bound, it was cheating. Period. I agree she was dealt a crappy hand when she obviously went into her marriage with every intention of upholding her vows and he had other ideas, but it doesn't magically become okay because she was the victim who happened to get into a relationship with the OW's spouse while she was legally bound to Lang. you are arguing an emotional case; I'm talking letter and spirit of the law. ¿Entiendes?
John Michael Kane Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 Why not make something good out of something that was horrible. And I'm sure if she did cheat he surly would have put it out their to take the heat off himself As I said before, all cheaters are selfish, and some go about it different ways. And separation is used to heal yourself and/or seeing if your marriage can still be salvaged. You've just been cheated on and left and now why when you're trying to heal you make the situation worse by jumping into the arms of another? Why? Do people these days not honor their vows completely? Just gotta have someone to make your life better eh? Damn.
Steadfast Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 Which is it John? This: I could say the same for posters who heavily advocate "reconciliation" and biased "counseling." Or this? Separation *sic* is supposed to be used for healing yourself and/or seeing if your marriage can still be salvaged. What? Did you ACTUALLY write this? The person always at the ready to jam the red hot poker of divorce up any weak willed, non-Alpha, cuckolded recon? Consistency JMK! Strive for consistency! Anyone in their right mind who divorced their cheating spouse would want nothing to do with anything or anyone who associated with their ex-WS. Opinion is one thing, but when it's stated as a moral base (with no moral foundation) the whole thing comes off wrong. Why the hell not? No one that I read put this out as any avenue of normal practice, but as a former BS I was not 'stained' or 'tainted' by my ex wife's actions...making me more than worthy of someone's (read: ANYONE'S) affections, if desired. Cripes man, you've not only sanctioned the cheater but now have the betrayed spouse guilty by association. Where's the cliff? Better not to post and have people wonder if you're a fool, than to type away and remove all doubt.
John Michael Kane Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 (edited) Which is it John? This: Or this? What? Did you ACTUALLY write this? The person always at the ready to jam the red hot poker of divorce up any weak willed, non-Alpha, cuckolded recon? Consistency JMK! Strive for consistency! Opinion is one thing, but when it's stated as a moral base (with no moral foundation) the whole thing comes off wrong. Why the hell not? No one that I read put this out as any avenue of normal practice, but as a former BS I was not 'stained' or 'tainted' by my ex wife's actions...making me more than worthy of someone's (read: ANYONE'S) affections, if desired. Cripes man, you've not only sanctioned the cheater but now have the betrayed spouse guilty by association. Where's the cliff? Better not to post and have people wonder if you're a fool, than to type away and remove all doubt. Fact of the matter is, she's not a some innocent BS. She's a cheater, and I used separation as a basis for my argument. Divorce I still will advocate until this world ends. And I thought Steady, that you were "through" with me and my posts?LOL Edited July 2, 2011 by John Michael Kane
Steadfast Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 Fact of the matter is, she's not a some innocent BS. She's a cheater, and I used separation as a basis for my argument. Divorce I still will advocate until this world ends. And I thought Steady, that you were "through" with me and my posts?LOL She might have cheated John, and she might not have. People can spend time together and not have sex. Actually, I only have myself to use as a standard in this...during my separation, I had several female friends that I spent time with. They heard my problems and I listened to theirs. Could a romance have occurred? No, because I wasn't ready for that and I knew it. Plus, I had no interest in other women until after I was divorced. This is not a moral badge of honor for me, it is simple fact. I was damaged goods. Could someone like you have assumed something sexual was going on? Sure. My ex did. She measured me by the standard of behavior in her life and assumed the worst. Her problem, not mine. I don't know Ms. Twain so I can't say for sure, but you don't know her either. You weren't there, but somehow you can. Or you do. You base your facts on the words of a third party selling a tabloid celebrity-drama story for money. That not only makes you a very poor journalist, but fosters the very obvious habit of not only drawing conclusions from pure assumption, but posting them. That's foolish. Your posts are foolish. Judged solely by what you write it's clear you have a certain amount of intelligence, but absolutely no wisdom. Yes John, I read your posts and sometimes respond. Why? Because I believe this forum can and has helped people, but your questionable motivation and cheese grater delivery doesn't seem to do anything but spark debate, anger and frustration. You're not helping, and that has nothing to do with someone not agreeing with you. You know this. I'd survive just fine without LS. I have no agenda, but do very clearly recall the good advice, care and concern shown me when I was in knee deep. People are helped when you teach them how to think, not what to think. After venting I left the nonsense that occurred in Kidd's thread, but I never said I'd avoid you. For those of us who take the time to comment, a certain amount of appreciation is expected, but it isn't always received. Your response to this in my opinion? Post with the intent of setting yourself apart and gaining the attention you crave with sensationalism. I can't stop you and won't try, but I will expose your nonsense to whoever happens upon these words looking for real advice. The reward for doing what's right and honorable far exceeds what we can gain by forcing the issue.
John Michael Kane Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 She might have cheated John, She did cheat. There's no "might" about it. If you're married and you fool around with someone else other than your spouse, it's cheating.and she might not have. People can spend time together and not have sex. Actually, I only have myself to use as a standard in this...during my separation, I had several female friends that I spent time with. They heard my problems and I listened to theirs. Could a romance have occurred? No, because I wasn't ready for that and I knew it. Plus, I had no interest in other women until after I was divorced. This is not a moral badge of honor for me, it is simple fact. I was damaged goods. Could someone like you have assumed something sexual was going on? Sure. My ex did. She measured me by the standard of behavior in her life and assumed the worst. Her problem, not mine. I don't know Ms. Twain so I can't say for sure, but you don't know her either. You weren't there, but somehow you can. Or you do. You base your facts on the words of a third party selling a tabloid celebrity-drama story for money. That not only makes you a very poor journalist, but fosters the very obvious habit of not only drawing conclusions from pure assumption, but posting them. That's foolish. Your posts are foolish. Yea someone's posts are "foolish" because they don't adhere to your warped sense of morality. Judged solely by what you write it's clear you have a certain amount of intelligence, but absolutely no wisdom. And it's clear you're immature with no wisdom or intelligence, even though you're significantly older than me. You're an old man dude, get with the new program. Yes John, I read your posts and sometimes respond. Why? Because I believe this forum can and has helped people, but your questionable motivation and cheese grater delivery doesn't seem to do anything but spark debate, anger and frustration. You're not helping, and that has nothing to do with someone not agreeing with you. Yes it does have to do with you not agreeing with me, otherwise you wouldn't be going on some rant about how you hate my guts when you don't even personally know me. You know this. I'd survive just fine without LS. I have no agenda, Clearly you do have an "agenda" because even though you said you were going to "ignore" me, like countless others have said, you, like others just can't resist the fact that I bring something good to the table. I'm not going to stop posting just because a few hundred posters in denial about their own situations, want me to. but do very clearly recall the good advice, care and concern shown me when I was in knee deep. People are helped when you teach them how to think, not what to think. Yet here you are trying to "control" how I post by going on some childish rant about what someone said over the internet. You're being hypocritical yourself even though you think you're not. Every human is hypocritical man. After venting I left the nonsense that occurred in Kidd's thread, but I never said I'd avoid you. Yes you did. I'd be happy to bring up the post if you wish. For those of us who take the time to comment, a certain amount of appreciation is expected, but it isn't always received. Exactly so your rants are pointless. Your response to this in my opinion? Post with the intent of setting yourself apart and gaining the attention you crave with sensationalism. I like having attention. Every human does. When I go to work I receive a lot of attention. When I see my family I receive a lot of attention. When I see my woman she gives me attention. What can I say? People who love you, will give you attention. My view on infidelity is controversial and I accept that. Everyone has a controversial view on something. I think after being betrayed and having to see the woman who betrayed me, almost every single day when I drop off my son and pick him up, I deserve attention and I receive it. So what, big deal. You don't like my posts, well I can't help you on that. Sorry for your loss. I can't stop you and won't try, Yet here you are trying to. but I will expose your nonsense to whoever happens upon these words looking for real advice. The reward for doing what's right and honorable far exceeds what we can gain by forcing the issue. Steady you talk about how you don't like my posts and how I'm somehow giving false advice and am a cancer to LS, yet here you are engaging in an immature, losing battle to try and "expose" everything I post, when I post. Get a grip dude. A middle-aged man going ballistic over what someone said on an internet board is childish. Everyone has an opinion and this is a public board. Don't like it, tough! My responses are in bold.
Steadfast Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 John, when you're cornered your reaction is predictable; you insult. Only with wisdom can one accept that criticism isn't always a bad thing. No one just steps into this life or adulthood with all the answers; me included. I don't hate you. And although I do understand you can't put an old head on new shoulders, there is nothing new about arrogance. You sound scared. You've been hurt and you're still hurting. Why not drop the facade and tell us what happened and why you think it happened to you. Tell your story. I want to hear it.
quankanne Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 or we could just agree to disagree, and respect his right to his opinions, not argue him out of them!
Steadfast Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 Understood and agreed. But I'm genuinely interested in hearing his story. Here's hoping John can trust folks will give it a non-biased read with constructive feedback. I'm also hoping he remembers that no man is an island. Betrayal, separation and divorce are tough obstacles to overcome.
John Michael Kane Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 John, when you're cornered your reaction is predictable; you insult. Yea I'm "cornered" because you choose to disagree with my view. Only with wisdom can one accept that criticism isn't always a bad thing. No one just steps into this life or adulthood with all the answers; me included.Keep on because you're hurting nobody but yourself. I can't help that you don't agree with my view on infidelity. I'm sorry. I don't hate you.Sounds like it to me, and you don't even know me! And although I do understand you can't put an old head on new shoulders, there is nothing new about arrogance. What's wrong with being arrogant? You're stereotyping a word and using it as a derogatory term because it doesn't fit your own 20th century standard of morals.Response in bold. You sound scared.Okay I'll bite. You tell me what I'm scared of and I'll tell you whether you're wrong in your guess. You've been hurt and you're still hurting.Ahh the "bitter" card once again. Why not drop the facade and tell us what happened and why you think it happened to you. Tell your story. I want to hear it.LOL Why do I always get asked this question?
John Michael Kane Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 Understood and agreed. But I'm genuinely interested in hearing his story. Here's hoping John can trust folks will give it a non-biased read with constructive feedback. I'm also hoping he remembers that no man is an island. Betrayal, separation and divorce are tough obstacles to overcome. And I have made through all 3 of those obstacles. It was rough, but I made it, and I'm proud of myself. Wish others gather enough courage to do the same!
Steadfast Posted July 2, 2011 Posted July 2, 2011 I never took issue with your views on infidelity. Whenever anyone disagrees with you about anything, you automatically turn it around to this. Why? You're unwilling to share? Ok. Hope you change your mind. Perhaps you'll benefit from talking it over here.
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