Is female cheating a feminist act?

[Entropy3000]

But when men defend porn and strip clubs we are horrible pigs. Somehow looking at an image on a computer screen is worse than actually having sex with another man.

 

I have tried very hard to see that other perspective. I just can't get there. One is a picture the other a human being. Not any where near the same thing.

 

Strip clubs can vary but still not quite there either.

[sally4sara]

All cheating is not an act of gender hatred but the view from the author and it seems you in this thread that men deserve to be betrayed as an act of feminist revenge is about gender hatred.

 

Again Woggle, my attempt to try and see things from the perspective of someone else does not mean I agree with their perspective. I've told you many times what you see does not reflect the people I know. What the author of that article says is not anything I've ever heard out of my female friends. But if I consider you have met women who think that way and this author also feels that way, I can try to understand the where/what/why involved in their perspective. It doesn't mean I have to adopt their perspective or change my actions to match.

 

If you'd quit worrying about what I do we might have a more productive dialog. Its not like I can do anything to you so what could you accomplish by checking me for malicious intent?

 

I think you do it so you don't have to say "huh, yeah I could see why that might be what motivates their reasoning". You won't let yourself do this because you believe it to be the same thing as encouraging that reasoning.

[Untouchable_Fire]

And then the assumption that it is easy for women to be monogamous. Based on what?

All this causing some vibe of not being monogamous is so fun AND a privilege. If striving for equality means removing all gender restrictions and the expectation of monogamy gets promoted to be nigh irresistible, its naturally going to be a target by those getting no acceptance for it. Its so awesome is it? Well lets find out for ourselves.....

What is embittering is that this is how men rolled excusing it by claiming promiscuity is your natural state and monogamy your burden while you think that same state is easy for women. The cherry on top, this thread's premise, is that when a woman doesn't live up to monogamy, it has to be some act of gender hatred to you Woggle. Has it be an act of gender hatred all along when men cheat?

 

No DNA tests existed 100 years ago. They HAD to heavily discourage female infidelity.

 

Regardless of the excuses it is emotional abuseand only butthole feminists would punish men who are guiltless for crimes they have never been a victim of.

 

As an ideology feminism is basically just a giant excuse for hurting others.

[Woggle]

No DNA tests existed 100 years ago. They HAD to heavily discourage female infidelity.

 

Regardless of the excuses it is emotional abuseand only butthole feminists would punish men who are guiltless for crimes they have never been a victim of.

 

As an ideology feminism is basically just a giant excuse for hurting others.

 

Feminism in and of itself is not the problem. If you look up the word in the dictionary it means the belief that men and women are equal. I will never argue with that but the modern day feminist movement which is very different from feminism as a belief has pretty much become a haven for woman who hate men and want to lash out at them. They are incapable of seeing the world in any other terms except men as victimizers and women as victims.

 

Even my darkest days I never advocated innocent women being mistreated in order to pay for the sins of the women who wronged but that is exactly what women who buy into this world view do with men. Men are not people to them but figureheads of one big monolithic patriarchy that has wronged them so when they hurt a man they feel they are sticking to their oppressors when in reality they are just being jerks who in fact might end up creating a misogynist who takes it out on an innocent woman and the cycle continues.

 

In all their high fiving and you go girl cheers though they can't see this.

[threebyfate]

To use an analogy of what this article constitutes to me would be:

 

Jack said that Mike said the reason why he ended up with hyperhydration is that the Health Commission said water was really good for you.

 

Conclusion: The Health Commission has been hijacked by corporate water bottling interests!

[Woggle]

To use an analogy of what this article constitutes to me would be:

 

Jack said that Mike said the reason why he ended up with hyperhydration is that the Health Commission said water was really good for you.

 

Conclusion: The Health Commission has been hijacked by corporate water bottling interests!

 

I don't get it. I believe in feminism as an ideology but the feminist establishment and media have pretty much been taken over by people like this. You would probably be considered a stepford wife and a slave to the patriarchy in those circles.

[threebyfate]

I don't get it. I believe in feminism as an ideology but the feminist establishment and media have pretty much been taken over by people like this. You would probably be considered a stepford wife and a slave to the patriarchy in those circles.

Silly Woggle. You have an obsession. Everytime you hear the word "Feminism", it makes you rabid, where your rational mind gets consumed by your irrational emotional responses.

 

You currently have a good life with someone your insane and abusive mother claims is a "stepford wife". Why not enjoy your stepford wife and forget the silliness?

[Untouchable_Fire]

Feminism in and of itself is not the problem. If you look up the word in the dictionary it means the belief that men and women are equal. I will never argue with that but the modern day feminist movement which is very different from feminism as a belief has pretty much become a haven for woman who hate men and want to lash out at them. They are incapable of seeing the world in any other terms except men as victimizers and women as victims.

Even my darkest days I never advocated innocent women being mistreated in order to pay for the sins of the women who wronged but that is exactly what women who buy into this world view do with men. Men are not people to them but figureheads of one big monolithic patriarchy that has wronged them so when they hurt a man they feel they are sticking to their oppressors when in reality they are just being jerks who in fact might end up creating a misogynist who takes it out on an innocent woman and the cycle continues.

In all their high fiving and you go girl cheers though they can't see this.

 

The dictionary once defined Nazi as the National Socialist Party.

 

I care little for what feminists of the 1920's believed. I look at what feminists today DO... and it isn't good.

[Woggle]

The dictionary once defined Nazi as the National Socialist Party.

 

I care little for what feminists of the 1920's believed. I look at what feminists today DO... and it isn't good.

 

This is somewhat different. The National Socialist Party never was a positive thing but the feminist movement at one point was and there a good number of fair minded women who actually like men that call themselves feminists. I have yet to meet a fair minded Nazi that actually likes Jews and people who aren't white.

[Woggle]

Silly Woggle. You have an obsession. Everytime you hear the word "Feminism", it makes you rabid, where your rational mind gets consumed by your irrational emotional responses.

 

You currently have a good life with someone your insane and abusive mother claims is a "stepford wife". Why not enjoy your stepford wife and forget the silliness?

 

What makes you think my wife is stepford wife?

[threebyfate]

What makes you think my wife is stepford wife?

I don't. Just being facetious and using your mother's term.

[Woggle]

I don't. Just being facetious and using your mother's term.

 

I thought you were actually calling her that but she would call you a stepford wife as well. Any woman who is married to a man and happy is either lying or brainwashed according to her twisted logic.

[threebyfate]

I thought you were actually calling her that but she would call you a stepford wife as well. Any woman who is married to a man and happy is either lying or brainwashed according to her twisted logic.

The bolded words say it all. You know she's nuts. If someone's nuts, how seriously do you take their views? Imagine talking to someone who has delusions of bugs crawling all over everyone but in reality, there are none. Would you then try to brush off all the bugs on your own body?

[sally4sara]

No DNA tests existed 100 years ago. They HAD to heavily discourage female infidelity.

 

Regardless of the excuses it is emotional abuseand only butthole feminists would punish men who are guiltless for crimes they have never been a victim of.

 

As an ideology feminism is basically just a giant excuse for hurting others.

 

And prior to then everyone contributed to the survival of all their community's children because everyone screwed everyone and more people meant safety. Women didn't disclose who the father was because only that man would contribute to that child. She HAD to heavily discourage monogamy and the knowledge of paternity or the kid would die for lack of food and protection.

 

I don't think its productive to "punish" men for outdated attitudes. It just seems an awful lot of energy expended on being angry when that energy could be expended on being happy. I only see a formula that manifests in many ways by everyone being the first part of the motivation and the aim for pay back a flavor added as a second motivation by those with no rational defense for their actions. "b-b-b-but men do it toooooo and have for centuries!" is not a rational defense for revolutionary curiosity.

 

Rational would have been stating that they did not wish to offer monogamy to their partner and wanted the ability to seek pleasure outside of their primary relationship because it seemed many people (men) found much pleasure in that behavior and they too wanted to experience it for themselves. Then there would be no need to defend themselves with some after thought about pay back.

 

The fact remains that if you tell one group of people they can't do something you're driven to by pleasure for no reason other than you don't think their group should do it - expect to see them doing it to find out whats so great about it. Expect some of those trying to find out whats so great about it to also enjoy it further out of spite. Not just because they are white, black, christian, muslim, educated, ignorant, male or female or whatever other reason you want to blame it on, but because its within all humans to struggle against forced limitations.

[Woggle]

The bolded words say it all. You know she's nuts. If someone's nuts, how seriously do you take their views? Imagine talking to someone who has delusions of bugs crawling all over everyone but in reality, there are none. Would you then try to brush off all the bugs on your own body?

 

I know she is nuts but the view expressed in the article is a commonly held one.

[threebyfate]

I know she is nuts but the view expressed in the article is a commonly held one.

By whom beyond Jack saying that Mike said?

[Woggle]

By whom beyond Jack saying that Mike said?

 

I think that many women though certainly not all or most feel this way.

[threebyfate]

I think that many women though certainly not all or most feel this way.

Do you recognize who Anna Holmes is? She's a radical feminist in the same vein as your mother but a bit more sane or at least works at sounding sane.

 

Radical or militant feminism has gone mostly by the wayside, left behind where it belongs. We're presently at a combination of second and third wave feminism.

[rafallus]

To be expected to be monogamous, make vow to be monogamous and then betray this hasn't always been accepted and still isn't completely. But when it has been accepted (or even just ignored) in our history, it has been men and even justified by the suggestion that it is asking some heroic amount of self control for a man to accomplish monogamy.

Well, no offense meant, but you're talking smack. Those, who accepted cheating by men as sth natural, were idiots and hypocrites (simple special pleading was made). If you want to sink to their level, go ahead. Just don't delude yourself that it's any kind of awesome. Edited June 18, 2011 by rafallus

[Woggle]

Do you recognize who Anna Holmes is? She's a radical feminist in the same vein as your mother but a bit more sane or at least works at sounding sane.

 

Radical or militant feminism has gone mostly by the wayside, left behind where it belongs. We're presently at a combination of second and third wave feminism.

 

I don't know her that well but if she has a column in the Washington Post I assume she is respected by some people.

 

I disagree that radical feminism has gone by the wayside. They might not march like they used to but the misandrist attitudes are very much alive.

[threebyfate]

I don't know her that well but if she has a column in the Washington Post I assume she is respected by some people.

 

I disagree that radical feminism has gone by the wayside. They might not march like they used to but the misandrist attitudes are very much alive.

Okay Woggle. Hold on tight to your enemy. Hope it's making you happy 'cause all I see is a waste of energy and time, energy and time that should be put towards positive emotions and growing as an individual.

 

Open...your...mind. You're no longer 10 years old and at the mercy of an old witch.

[Woggle]

This isn't even about my mother anymore. If you want me to be fair more many men are just as hateful towards the opposite sex but like anybody else I tend to notice it more when I am the target. Gender relations between men and women are just horrible right now.

[Untouchable_Fire]

This is somewhat different. The National Socialist Party never was a positive thing but the feminist movement at one point was and there a good number of fair minded women who actually like men that call themselves feminists. I have yet to meet a fair minded Nazi that actually likes Jews and people who aren't white.

 

The point is that Webster's definition is meaningless in the face of reality. The reality is that Feminism is most often a force for evil. In the case of this article... an excuse for emotionally abusing a husband and kids.

 

And prior to then everyone contributed to the survival of all their community's children because everyone screwed everyone and more people meant safety. Women didn't disclose who the father was because only that man would contribute to that child. She HAD to heavily discourage monogamy and the knowledge of paternity or the kid would die for lack of food and protection.

I don't think its productive to "punish" men for outdated attitudes. It just seems an awful lot of energy expended on being angry when that energy could be expended on being happy. I only see a formula that manifests in many ways by everyone being the first part of the motivation and the aim for pay back a flavor added as a second motivation by those with no rational defense for their actions. "b-b-b-but men do it toooooo and have for centuries!" is not a rational defense for revolutionary curiosity.

Rational would have been stating that they did not wish to offer monogamy to their partner and wanted the ability to seek pleasure outside of their primary relationship because it seemed many people (men) found much pleasure in that behavior and they too wanted to experience it for themselves. Then there would be no need to defend themselves with some after thought about pay back.

The fact remains that if you tell one group of people they can't do something you're driven to by pleasure for no reason other than you don't think their group should do it - expect to see them doing it to find out whats so great about it. Expect some of those trying to find out whats so great about it to also enjoy it further out of spite. Not just because they are white, black, christian, muslim, educated, ignorant, male or female or whatever other reason you want to blame it on, but because its within all humans to struggle against forced limitations.

 

First, your view of tribal society is most likely inaccurate. We don't really know for sure how they lived because it existed before writing. However, I can assure you that it was so heavily patriarchal that most likely the women had zero choice in who they had sex with.

 

In regards to your point about human nature. Some are always wanting to do what they are told is taboo. However, if you are arguing that women cheating is considered taboo today... that's a load of crap. They all cheat today. We spend more time telling them that they SHOULD cheat than telling them they shouldn't. Everything our media and culture does reinforces the idea that women shouldn't suffer consequences for it.

 

If your trying to explain how feminists think... I already get it. It's just not a philosophy I can agree with. For the most part I find it as repulsive as racism.

 

I believe it's wrong to punish one person for the sins of another... even if it was his father.

 

I don't know her that well but if she has a column in the Washington Post I assume she is respected by some people.

I disagree that radical feminism has gone by the wayside. They might not march like they used to but the misandrist attitudes are very much alive.

 

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[sally4sara]

First, your view of tribal society is most likely inaccurate. We don't really know for sure how they lived because it existed before writing. However, I can assure you that it was so heavily patriarchal that most likely the women had zero choice in who they had sex with.

 

Do more anthropological reading? The study of remains shows our size difference to be marginal at best - with 15% being the greatest disparity found. Getting your rape on would not be all that easy. You still need to assume yours is more accurate (while also saying there is no way to know) even against actual research.

 

In regards to your point about human nature. Some are always wanting to do what they are told is taboo. However, if you are arguing that women cheating is considered taboo today... that's a load of crap. They all cheat today. We spend more time telling them that they SHOULD cheat than telling them they shouldn't. Everything our media and culture does reinforces the idea that women shouldn't suffer consequences for it.

 

Its not about not suffering consequences at all. Its about not suffering more consequence for not being male/ more for being female.

 

If your trying to explain how feminists think... I already get it. It's just not a philosophy I can agree with. For the most part I find it as repulsive as racism.

 

So when you hear a black person talk about coming from a position of disadvantage being a hurdle to equality you think they're being racist? And when they complain about still getting profiled more than white people you think they're being racist? Or do you imagine yourself as the black person in that equation with women being mean old whitey? I don't see how.

 

I believe it's wrong to punish one person for the sins of another... even if it was his father.

 

So do I. That isn't feminism.

[Woggle]

I agree that punishing innocent people is not what feminism is about but the woman in this article is advocating exactly that and flies the feminist flag. Many misandrists are wearing the uniform so don't blame guys for getting it confused.