stepka Posted June 10, 2011 Posted June 10, 2011 Charm is a myth. No it's not, but eye contact is everything. Any man who wants to improve his chances with the ladies needs to work on that. It doesn't sound like Shaun wants to be just like his friend but to have a little more than what he has. Eye contact can do that.
Author Shaun-Dro Posted June 10, 2011 Author Posted June 10, 2011 Honest and decent men get a chance all the time. You think honest and decent men are left for dead on NYC street corners or something? Also - Nice and decent men don't go around blaming women for all their personal love problems. Seriously man, take some control of your life. According to that statement quoted above now women make you act a certain way? Also - last time I checked...nice guys don't view women as sex objects that can't evolve. So I guess we're ruling out you being a nice guy. Maybe that's the issue. You're a nice guy until you don't get your way with a woman and then it's foot-stomping, temper tantrum time! You have no idea how much your own argument just imploded on itself 5 times over. You didn't have to reply to my thread if it angered you that much. This is not a personal attack on you, VSmini. This is just a general consensus I'm doing from my own point of view. And to answer your statement about women having changed me. No, they only altered my perception of them because honestly, I grew up under the belief that women loved good decent men. How they needed to be saved from the big bad wolf. How they fall for you when you treat them right. I know, it's all a fairy tale. I learned this in high school which was a smack in the face. I was practically ostracized just for helping a girl out by taking her halfway home from school, out of harms way from lurid punks who was hanging out and glaring at her, hating the fact of seeing a black guy with a Latina. It was like that back then, believe me. Even now to an extent. While true, this was a long time ago, but the shock from what happened in that time doesn't just go away unless you've been healed from it. And, in order for that to happen, you need to get breaks, or luck, if you will. That hasn't happened. Just one letdown after the other. Sometimes each one of them harsher than the last just for trying. And for what? Wanting to get to know a woman I'm attracted to? Wanting to build a friendship that could lead to something meaningful? Experience has taught me to become stronger, whether it seems that I'm jaded, okay, but at least I can walk the streets and not wonder about her and what would happen if given the chance to connect, because, frankly, I already know the bitter-tasting answer already. It saves me the trouble.
Ouroboros Posted June 10, 2011 Posted June 10, 2011 No it's not, but eye contact is everything. Any man who wants to improve his chances with the ladies needs to work on that. It doesn't sound like Shaun wants to be just like his friend but to have a little more than what he has. Eye contact can do that. If you are using Shaun's example as proof of the myth then this isn't charm. This guy is playing a numbers game. Since he doesn't care about these women he comes off as very confident, too cool for school, and more successful than he is. Shaun is too easily impressed by this. As long as you are paying them attention and putting any effort forward you are playing into her game. It isn't success until you are between her legs and then she's playing your game. A guy who picks up drunk chicks at closing would be a bigger success than this cheesy Casanova or would at least tie. Eye contact can easily make you come off as creepy so eye contact alone isn't good enough.
TheLawmaker Posted June 10, 2011 Posted June 10, 2011 Sometimes I wonder if women are even worth it? Is sex even that special? I can go adopt a child, and then I'll be a father. I can buy a fleshlight, and pretend it's a vagina. Who needs a woman? When girls don't want to treat me with respect, should I treat them with respect? Seriously? I try to be a good and kind person, and this is what I get? I have to trick them in order to get them to like me?
Ouroboros Posted June 10, 2011 Posted June 10, 2011 It is unlikely they'll allow you to adopt a child while single.
alethean Posted June 10, 2011 Posted June 10, 2011 I know, it's all a fairy tale. I learned this in high school which was a smack in the face. I was practically ostracized just for helping a girl out by taking her halfway home from school, out of harms way from lurid punks who was hanging out and glaring at her, hating the fact of seeing a black guy with a Latina. It was like that back then, believe me. Even now to an extent. Ok, I'm sorry for being dense, but how did this occurrence show that women don't like good guys? I think I'm missing something here because it sounded more like racial tension.
Author Shaun-Dro Posted June 10, 2011 Author Posted June 10, 2011 If you are using Shaun's example as proof of the myth then this isn't charm. This guy is playing a numbers game. Since he doesn't care about these women he comes off as very confident, too cool for school, and more successful than he is. Shaun is too easily impressed by this. As long as you are paying them attention and putting any effort forward you are playing into her game. It isn't success until you are between her legs and then she's playing your game. A guy who picks up drunk chicks at closing would be a bigger success than this cheesy Casanova or would at least tie. Eye contact can easily make you come off as creepy so eye contact alone isn't good enough.[/quote So you're saying that no effort should be put forward with these women, correct? I figured that out the hard way.
Author Shaun-Dro Posted June 10, 2011 Author Posted June 10, 2011 Sometimes I wonder if women are even worth it? Is sex even that special? I can go adopt a child, and then I'll be a father. I can buy a fleshlight, and pretend it's a vagina. Who needs a woman? When girls don't want to treat me with respect, should I treat them with respect? Seriously? I try to be a good and kind person, and this is what I get? I have to trick them in order to get them to like me? I know exactly how you feel. Any little success I had with women in the past was due to me pretending to be some one else. Trying to come off mysterious, smirking a lot, and crap like that. Women ate it up like candy. The flip-side to it was that I couldn't keep the charade up so eventually stopped altogether and had tried to go at it from an honest standpoint and she was never interested. Aside from giving us our needs: sex & food, she's pretty useless otherwise, so the best solution to this is remain a single successful man that can travel abroad and pick up gorgeous foreign women whenever these needs arise. I think they know they're useless to men as a whole aside from the 2 things I mentioned above, so that's why they do all they can to make you break your neck just to court her. If women knew they were more useful to us and society, she wouldn't have to resort to these evil tactics. She'd do something more than try to be seductive all the time and try to tease men with her sex. She'd simply prove herself more worthy to men than just using her body; her only source of power.
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