John Michael Kane Posted June 6, 2011 Posted June 6, 2011 Affair for 8 years. Both of them are mentally ill. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1394723/Ryan-Giggs-brother-Rhodri-dumps-wife-Natasha-discovering-8-year-affair.html
anne1707 Posted June 6, 2011 Posted June 6, 2011 Two things: 1. Have you got a copy of the psychiatric report diagnosing them as mentally ill? 2. It's the Daily Mail. Not exactly quality press.
Author John Michael Kane Posted June 6, 2011 Author Posted June 6, 2011 Two things: Okay. 1. Have you got a copy of the psychiatric report diagnosing them as mentally ill?It's in the story. Read it and maybe even you can learn a few things. Don't forget to read the comments there at the bottom of the page. 2. It's the Daily Mail. Not exactly quality press.Thanks.
anne1707 Posted June 6, 2011 Posted June 6, 2011 Okay. It's in the story. Read it and maybe even you can learn a few things. Don't forget to read the comments there under at the bottom of the page. Thanks. Erm, no psychiatric report there. And as I said, it's the Daily Mail. Hence not only would I not rely on it's coverage as gospel, I would definitely not rely on the Comments for my understanding of what is newsworthy
Author John Michael Kane Posted June 6, 2011 Author Posted June 6, 2011 Erm, no psychiatric report there. Ya it's because you refuse to see it. And as I said, it's the Daily Mail. And as I said before, thank you so much for that information. Hence not only would I not rely on it's coverage as gospel, I would definitely not rely on the Comments for my understanding of what is newsworthy It may not be newsworthy to you (which I understand why you would feel that way because it hits too close to home) but it's the truth and it cannot be denied. As I said before you can learn a few things by reading those comments down there. Those folks are speaking the truth, aren't they? Lots of passion and blunt facts. My style.
Author John Michael Kane Posted June 6, 2011 Author Posted June 6, 2011 It's really funny how the WW expected her husband's brother to only bone her and somehow be "faithful" only to her. I guess she wanted to keep it in the family? Such egotistical hypocrites.
anne1707 Posted June 6, 2011 Posted June 6, 2011 Ya it's because you refuse to see it. Well please quote from it then seeing as I am obviously being very dim here And as I said before, thank you so much for that information. No problem at all. As I am sure you therefore realise, the Daily Mail is just seen as a trashy, tabloid piece of waste paper to most educated people. It may not be newsworthy to you (which I understand why you would feel that way because it hits too close to home) Why should this be too close too home for me? but it's the truth and it cannot be denied. As I said before you can learn a few things by reading those comments down there. Those folks are speaking the truth, aren't they? Lots of passion and blunt facts. My style. I am not going to dispute it's not your style. I might however disagree with your concept of "fact"
Author John Michael Kane Posted June 6, 2011 Author Posted June 6, 2011 Well please quote from it then seeing as I am obviously being very dim here Thank you for confessing your refusal to see the obvious in the article. No problem at all. As I am sure you therefore realise, the Daily Mail is just seen as a trashy, tabloid piece of waste paper to most educated people. To you it is. Are you saying that because this article is too "personal" for you to handle or are you honestly saying that because you have irrefutable proof? Why should this be too close too home for me? Because you know the answer to that question. Look I know you have an axe to grind with me but honestly the facts in that article says it all. Having sex with your brother's wife after your own wife delivered babies psychopathic behavior. I am not going to dispute it's not your style. Good because it'd just be another pointless argument. I might however disagree with your concept of "fact" "Concept of fact?":lmao: Yea the article is phony. Denial at it's highest.
anne1707 Posted June 6, 2011 Posted June 6, 2011 Okaaayyyyyy..... Thank you for confessing your refusal to see the obvious in the article. I asked for evidence of mental health based on a psychiatric report as opposed to your assumptions. Where in the article is the report? Please quote from it IF it is there. To you it is. Are you saying that because this article is too "personal" for you to handle or are you honestly saying that because you have irrefutable proof? Proof of what? All I have said is that the Daily Mail is a trashy tabloid that just pushed headlines that are far from newsworthy Because you know the answer to that question. No I don't which is why I asked the question Look I know you have an axe to grind with me What makes you think that? Please provide evidence to support this statement? Who are you? but honestly the facts in that article says it all. Having sex with your brother's wife after your own wife delivered babies psychopathic behavior. I do love the LS approach to diagnosing the mental state of people who are not even posting on this site Good because it'd just be another pointless argument. Oh yes, I know it is pointless arguing with you but I am in the mood for a laugh "Concept of fact?":lmao: Yea the article is phony. Denial at it's highest. The article may or may not be fact, it really does not concern me. I was actually referring to what YOU consider as fact based on the assumptions you choose to make
YellowShark Posted June 6, 2011 Posted June 6, 2011 I'm not British and don't know any of these people at all but it's a pretty low and sick story. Throwing your own brother under a bus by banging his wife, and a wife throwing her husband under a bus by having an 8-year affair with her husband's brother is seriously messed up. Then throw two young kids into the mix while this is all going on. Sickening. Natasha is a horrible person, and Ryan has absolutely ZERO scruples. The gall of Natasha to now be angry with Ryan for cheating on her with Imogen Thomas only confirms she is a delusional cow. I really feel for Rhodri Giggs.
Author John Michael Kane Posted June 6, 2011 Author Posted June 6, 2011 Okaaayyyyyy..... Yup. I asked for evidence of mental health based on a psychiatric report as opposed to your assumptions. Where in the article is the report? Please quote from it IF it is there. You're making an assumption based on the fact that you didn't even bother to read the article. Or you actually did but quickly dismissed it because it's too personal. Proof of what? All I have said is that the Daily Mail is a trashy tabloid that just pushed headlines that are far from newsworthy How is this article not important? This is showing how evil and deceptive a human being can be and people need to be careful. So because this is too personal for you it's not important right? Seems you have your own fears you need to face. No I don't which is why I asked the question But you do know the answer to that question, though. What makes you think that? Please provide evidence to support this statement? Who are you? The evidence is in this very thread. I do love the LS approach to diagnosing the mental state of people who are not even posting on this site Ya and I do love the LS approach of assuming an important article is irrelevant to them because of their own personal problems. Oh yes, I know it is pointless arguing with you but I am in the mood for a laugh Which is why I said you have an axe to grind with me and that's the reason you posted in this thread. The article may or may not be fact, There's no may about it. It's fact. Sorry to tickle your tummy. it really does not concern me. How sure are you about that? I was actually referring to what YOU consider as fact based on the assumptions you choose to make I didn't make any assumptions, I just simply pointed out the obvious facts.
anne1707 Posted June 6, 2011 Posted June 6, 2011 At this point I shall say goodnight. I have had my laugh at somone trying to make an argument out of nothing
Author John Michael Kane Posted June 7, 2011 Author Posted June 7, 2011 I'm not British and don't know any of these people at all but it's a pretty low and sick story. Throwing your own brother under a bus by banging his wife, and a wife throwing her husband under a bus by having an 8-year affair with her husband's brother is seriously messed up. Then throw two young kids into the mix while this is all going on. Sickening. Natasha is a horrible person, and Ryan has absolutely ZERO scruples. The gall of Natasha to now be angry with Ryan for cheating on her with Imogen Thomas only confirms she is a delusional cow. I really feel for Rhodri Giggs. He's famous with big money, cars, and cheats on his wife with his brother's wife. He has a big fat ego so what did you expect ya dumb broad? Women and their emotions. Tell em ya love em and they're ready to suck the skin off your genitals.
Author John Michael Kane Posted June 7, 2011 Author Posted June 7, 2011 At this point I shall say goodnight. Sleep well and don't let the bed bugs bite. I have had my laugh at somone trying to make an argument out of nothing I know right? Next time spell correctly before you assume.
Author John Michael Kane Posted June 7, 2011 Author Posted June 7, 2011 Disgusting. Natasha gave birth in August 2006 and Stacey had her son two months later, but the affair was quickly rekindled, it was claimed. ‘The day after his son was born we met up and had sex,’ the paper quoted Natasha as saying through her friend.Rhodri better get a paternity test.
Author John Michael Kane Posted June 7, 2011 Author Posted June 7, 2011 http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/158554/20110607/celebrity-injunctions-2011-twitter-court-exposing-ryan-giggs-affair-imogen-thomas.htm Pathetic at it's highest.
Heart On Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 He's famous with big money, cars, and cheats on his wife with his brother's wife. He has a big fat ego so what did you expect ya' dumb broad? Women and their emotions. Tell em ya love 'em and they're ready to suck the skin off your genitals. At the risk of pissing your off more than you already are....and I know it's obvious by how you loathe cheaters,but I have to ask do you think you will ever get over being cheated on? You are one angry man and I wanted to suggest the concept of forgiveness as a way to overcome your deep seeded anger.
OldOnTheInside Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 do you think you will ever get over being cheated on?Allow me to make a prediction... "I am over being cheated on." "I still don't believe in forgiving cheaters for their actions." JMK is entitled to think what he wishes. Free will ya know...
Author John Michael Kane Posted June 7, 2011 Author Posted June 7, 2011 At the risk of pissing your off more than you already are....and I know it's obvious by how you loathe cheaters,but I have to ask do you think you will ever get over being cheated on? Hey no worries. You're not pissing me off. But to answer your question I will have to say no for obvious reasons. I still live my life but no, I will never get over being cheated on. It's an impossible wound to fully heal. You are one angry man and I wanted to suggest the concept of forgiveness as a way to overcome your deep seeded anger. There is no forgiveness in my book when it comes to infidelity. I'm sure many others share the same point of view as I do. Just because one hates infidelity doesn't mean they are bitter. Your argument is old.
OldOnTheInside Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 "I am over being cheated on."Damn...I was off. Fair enough.
Author John Michael Kane Posted June 7, 2011 Author Posted June 7, 2011 Free will ya know... Something cheaters ignore while they're out with their affair partner. Not giving their BS the free will to leave their skank arse.
Author John Michael Kane Posted June 7, 2011 Author Posted June 7, 2011 Damn...I was off. Fair enough. Well you got the second half correct, though. Thanks for trying.
OldOnTheInside Posted June 7, 2011 Posted June 7, 2011 Something cheaters ignore while they're out with their affair partner. Not giving their BS the free will to leave their skank arse. I can see that. Control is a fundamental aspect of deception. Well you got the second half correct, though. Thanks for trying. 50% is better then 0%.
Heart On Posted June 8, 2011 Posted June 8, 2011 Hey no worries. You're not pissing me off. But to answer your question I will have to say no for obvious reasons. I still live my life but no, I will never get over being cheated on. It's an impossible wound to fully heal.There is no forgiveness in my book when it comes to infidelity. I'm sure many others share the same point of view as I do. Just because one hates infidelity doesn't mean they are bitter. Your argument is old. It may not mean they are "bitter" but they aren't willing to let go of their victim status as they have come to allow it to define them. You can CHOOSE to not allow that happened to you to define your life or your attitude towards women and love.I see your hatred of women in the words you use.You would not be someone I could imagine being with as you carry alot of baggage.Not that you would want to be with me of course...just saying.Your energy is very negative and I know you can change that if you want to. I am sorry to hear that you don't understand that forgiveness isn't for THEM..it's for you.Your anger is palpable in all of your posts. It has to have an effect on ALL of your present relationships. It keeps you stuck in the past,and reliving your pain and anger daily and it isn't healthy. Obviously,you took being cheated on very personally and it was humilating. The thing is,it wasn't personal.Not really.It was more about a limited individual's unhealthy choices that adversly effected your life! That is unless you are willing to own your part in the situation.And yes,WE all play a role in infidelity unless we can't face it. I wanted to offer you a definition of unconditional forgiveness that allows you to release your valid anger without continuing to damage yourself in the process of learning to let go of your victimhood and move forward. http://www.celebratelove.com/forgive.htm Forgiveness is a gift you give to yourself. It is not something you do FOR someone else. It is not complicated. It is simple. Simply identify the situation to be forgiven and ask yourself: "Am I willing to waste my energy further on this matter?" If the answer is "No," then that's it! All is forgiven. Forgiveness is an act of the imagination. It dares you to imagine a better future, one that is based on the blessed possibility that your hurt will not be the final word on the matter. It challenges you to give up your destructive thoughts about the situation and to believe in the possibility of a better future. It builds confidence that you can survive the pain and grow from it. Telling someone is a bonus! It is not necessary for forgiveness to begin the process that heals the hurt. Forgiveness has little or nothing to do with another person because forgiveness is an internal matter. Choice is always present in forgiveness. You do not have to forgive AND there are consequences. Refusing to forgive by holding on to the anger, resentment and a sense of betrayal can make your own life miserable. A vindictive mind-set creates bitterness and lets the betrayer claim one more victim. The greatest misconception about forgiveness is the belief that forgiving the offense, such as an affair, means that you condone it. Not true. In fact, we can only forgive what we know to be wrong. Forgiveness does not mean that you have to reconcile with someone who badly treated you. Another misconception is that it depends on whether the person who did you wrong apologizes, wants you back, or changes his or her ways. If another person's poor behavior were the primary determinant for your healing then the unkind and selfish people in your life would retain power over you indefinitely. Forgiveness is the experience of finding peace inside and can neither be compelled nor stopped by another. I believe that to withhold forgiveness is to choose to continue to remain the victim. Remember, you always have choice. When you forgive you do it for you, not for the other. The person you have never forgiven. . . owns you! How about an affair? Just because you choose to forgive, does not mean you have to stay in the relationship. That is only and always your choice. The choice to forgive is only and always yours. When you feel that forgiveness is necessary, do not forgive for "their" sake. Do it for yourself! It would be great if they would come to you and ask forgiveness but you must accept the fact that some people will never do that. That is their choice. They do not NEED to be forgiven. They did what they did and that is it - except for the consequences, which THEY must live with. The hurts won't heal until you forgive! Recovery from wrongdoing that produces genuine forgiveness takes time. For some, it may take years. Don't rush it. Constantly reliving your wounded feelings gives the person who caused you pain power over you. Instead of mentally replaying your hurt, it helps to focus your energy on the healing, not the hurt! There is nothing so bad that cannot be forgiven. Nothing! HEALTHY love relationships are not possible without forgiveness! You cannot have a loving and rewarding relationship with anyone else, much less yourself, if you continue to hold on to things that happened in the past. Regardless of the situation, making peace with past love partners, your parents, children, your boss or anyone who you think may have "done you wrong" is the only way to improve your chances of a "healthy" relationship with yourself or anyone else for that matter! It is not possible to truly be present and available to a new relationship until you heal the hurt and upsets of the past. Forgiving someone else is to agree within yourself to overlook the wrong they have committed against you and to move on with your life. It's the only way. It means cutting them some slack. "What?" you say! "Cut them some slack after what THEY did to me? Never!" Let go! Move on! Non-forgiveness keeps you in the struggle. Being willing to forgive can bring a sense of peace and well-being. It lifts anxiety and delivers you from depression. It can enhance your self-esteem and give you hope. The act of forgiveness constitutes a mental bath, letting go of something that can only poison us within. Robert Enright, a developmental psychologist at the University of Wisconsin defines forgiveness as "giving up the resentment to which you are entitled and offering to the person who hurt you friendlier attitudes to which they are not entitled." It is important to recognize that your distress is coming from the hurt feelings, thoughts and physical upset you are suffering now, not what offended you or hurt you five minutes ago or five years ago. Research has shown that people who are deeply and unjustly hurt by others can heal emotionally and, in some cases, physically by forgiving their offender. Forgiveness breaks the cycle of hatred, resentment, anger and pain that is often passed on to those around you. Forgiveness helps you make peace with your past. I hope you take this in the realm it is intended....I used to be VERY angry myself....and without this knowledge,I would still be stuck in my victim mentality.I am a survivor of sexual abuse,abandonment by both birth parents,a victim of sexual misconduct and an x-abused wife and I can tell you...I forgive them ALL because continuing to HATE them will only hurt me and my life and I will be DAMNED if they are going to have the final word on my life! Turn your HEART ON!
robf1971 Posted June 8, 2011 Posted June 8, 2011 yes,WE all play a role in infidelity That is a pile of steaming bovine excremement...
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