Stung Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 F, bi, and possibly. I'm more straight-aligned and only rarely am attracted to women, but if she were a woman I felt attracted to, I would date her. I have seen a few really excellent MTF, though they were clearly naturally of smaller stature to begin with and nearly all of Asian heritage. I have a fairly discerning eye for such things and I probably wouldn't have known, but they were very open about it among friends. I casually dated a FTM a couple of times, but they really just felt more like a friend than a potential lover. Can't say whether that was rooted in the sex change or not, but he just didn't do it for me.
oaks Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 You can clearly tell she was a man form these pics: Your eyesight must be better than mine. I'm sure I wouldn't be able to pick her out of a line-up of generally attractive, similarly aged women and say "she's definitely the one who started out as a boy" based on those photos or based on the first 15 seconds of the youtube clip that was mentioned. Now that I've been told that she started out male I'm wondering if she has a 'masculine' jaw, but I don't think it's really much stronger than lots of women I see. I think it's just that I'm looking for a masculine trait.
alexlakeman Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 A transsexual does not choose to be a transsexual. I already am. and share them with my online transsexual community. I es. So go back to you tranny board.. this isn't about trannies on this board, lol
Dust Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 I seriously don’t ever see myself dating an attractive women with kids. Well if I wouldn't even do a MILF there is no way I would ever date some one I knew to be transgendered. The reason being is that knowledge would gross me out so much. I seriously see myself knowingly sleeping with an HIV infected person before sleeping with a transgendered woman. On a side note I completely support there right to live there life the way they see fit. I would also like to shame any one who gave posters a hard time for saying they could date such a person.
shadowofman Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 Male - bi -HELL YES, but it would have to be a convincing change. Not really down with dudes in drag. Pretty face and body, nice tits and and dick would be the ideal sexual partner. Might actually consider marriage. Haha
leftfordead2 Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 Male - bi -HELL YES, but it would have to be a convincing change. Not really down with dudes in drag. Pretty face and body, nice tits and and dick would be the ideal sexual partner. Might actually consider marriage. Haha nice tits and a dick...having a hard time picturing that...
shadowofman Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 Google Bailey Jay for one. They are getting hotter and hotter every day.
Author Xaphirus Posted May 29, 2011 Author Posted May 29, 2011 So go back to you tranny board.. this isn't about trannies on this board, lol I can't get real statistics by asking a trans person if they would date a trans person. This is a thread about dating preferences. If you don't like it, don't read it.
Scottdmw Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 Male, straight, definitely no. While we are on the topic, you would also describe me as reactionary. I agree that some people are born with a condition that makes them feel they are the opposite gender. I disagree that they actually are, or should try to become so. People are born with all kinds of conditions and feelings. Some people are born with a tendency to gamble or drink alcohol until they hurt themselves. Some people are born with a tendency to eat until they are morbidly obese. Their feelings are real—they really want to do those things, and it feels right to them when they do. That doesn’t mean it’s not self-destructive. I don’t believe we can judge the rightness of an action based on a person’s feelings. People can and do make all kinds of destructive choices that hurt themselves or others because it “feels right.” Pick any example of a destructive action you can care to name, and I guarantee it felt right to the person who did it at the time. I’m sure you do feel like you are going with your heart on this, and doing what feels right and natural to you. That doesn’t mean it’s going to make your life happier. I’m also sure that other people have told you that they made this decision and it made them happier. Maybe it did and maybe it didn’t. When people make an unchangeable decision like that they will almost always convince themselves it was for the best whether it was or not. Sometimes people will talk about taking a long hard journey and arriving at a happier place afterwards, someone who had gender reassignment surgery might say something like that. That may be true as far as it goes, but perhaps if they’d taken the same hard journey without the surgery they would have ended up happier. You will of course do what you find to be right. I would just encourage you to continue to think carefully about the decision before you make such a change. Seek out the advice of people who don’t agree with it as well, to make sure you get a balanced viewpoint. Scott
ascendotum Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 Male, straight, definitely no. While we are on the topic, you would also describe me as reactionary. I agree that some people are born with a condition that makes them feel they are the opposite gender. I disagree that they actually are, or should try to become so. People are born with all kinds of conditions and feelings. Some people are born with a tendency to gamble or drink alcohol until they hurt themselves. Some people are born with a tendency to eat until they are morbidly obese. Their feelings are real—they really want to do those things, and it feels right to them when they do. That doesn’t mean it’s not self-destructive. I don’t believe we can judge the rightness of an action based on a person’s feelings. People can and do make all kinds of destructive choices that hurt themselves or others because it “feels right.” Pick any example of a destructive action you can care to name, and I guarantee it felt right to the person who did it at the time. I’m sure you do feel like you are going with your heart on this, and doing what feels right and natural to you. That doesn’t mean it’s going to make your life happier. Scott I would have thought when it comes to most transsexuals, it’s more than a case of ‘having feelings’ for wanting to be the other sex. I thought in many (likely most) there is chromosomal or hormonal defect involved that effects their sexuality from an early age. Studies show that excess testosterone/dhea or in inadequate testosterone/dhea or excess estrogens or in insufficeient estrogens when an embryo/infant is developing in the womb can have a big impact on their life. There are different psychosexual and physical outcomes, depending on what trimester these adverse hormonal conditions occur. I thought I even read about homosexuals having different brain structures. When it comes to men and women there are certain regions of the brain that differ between the sexes. The condition is more than just being the equivalent of say a ‘gambling addict’, for many of these people. That picture that was posted earlier of that TS girl, you think thats a normal male?
Author Xaphirus Posted May 29, 2011 Author Posted May 29, 2011 I would have thought when it comes to most transsexuals, it’s more than a case of ‘having feelings’ for wanting to be the other sex. I thought in many (likely most) there is chromosomal or hormonal defect involved that effects their sexuality from an early age. Studies show that excess testosterone/dhea or in inadequate testosterone/dhea or excess estrogens or in insufficeient estrogens when an embryo/infant is developing in the womb can have a big impact on their life. There are different psychosexual and physical outcomes, depending on what trimester these adverse hormonal conditions occur. I thought I even read about homosexuals having different brain structures. When it comes to men and women there are certain regions of the brain that differ between the sexes. The condition is more than just being the equivalent of say a ‘gambling addict’, for many of these people. That picture that was posted earlier of that TS girl, you think thats a normal male? Thanks, ascendotum. Being transsexual is considered a psychological disorder, gender dysphoria. Every infant begins as a female in the womb, and depending on their sex, they begin to develop differently. However, the brain and body do not always develop at the same rate. Sometimes the brain stays feminine while the body continues to grow into a male, resulting in a MTF transsexual. Or the other way around, which would result in a FTM transsexual. This however is just a theory as far as I'm aware.
utterer of lies Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 While we are on the topic, you would also describe me as reactionary. I agree that some people are born with a condition that makes them feel they are the opposite gender. I disagree that they actually are, or should try to become so. Well, it's their choice if they want to spend the money for an operation. But its quite rare that the operation stops their depression and feelings of alienation, not belonging and wrongness.
Author Xaphirus Posted May 29, 2011 Author Posted May 29, 2011 Well, it's their choice if they want to spend the money for an operation. But its quite rare that the operation stops their depression and feelings of alienation, not belonging and wrongness. Do you have any citation for your second statement? I know of not a single transsexual who still feels depression after their operation, unless it is influenced by hormones.
utterer of lies Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 Do you have any citation for your second statement? I know of not a single transsexual who still feels depression after their operation, unless it is influenced by hormones. I don't have a study handy, but search pubmed if you're interested. As for anecdotal evidence, my father is a psychiatrist and had transsexual patients, and most of the things I know about transsexualism I know from him. Also, my ex-gf's friend who is a FTM transsexual only became worse after the operation, and is still very depressed and unhappy.
carhill Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 One perspective - Transgender 101 IMO, when one discovers those emotions and self-image descriptions, expresses them, how they're accepted and supported by those closest to them plays a large role in how their psychology develops. Essentially, the role of nurture in relation to nature. This also applies to those 'normal' people who will later be in contact with them throughout life. How one is socialized to view/interact with others who are deemed 'different' by society is critical, though only one part, to the evolution of their perspective on such matters. I was socialized to be accepting of people, and that people come in a universe of apparent differences, from culture to race to physical appearance. Later in that socialization, acceptance of sexual identity and preference would become part of the path. So, when I happened one day to meet Nancy, the nice lady whom I found attractive, I saw her as a person first, ultimately a person who wasn't interested in dating me, and later a person who would share part of her path with me, the path of gender reassignment. I accepted her path as her path, one I would never walk myself in my life, but valid for her. IMO, if her choices helped her in her life and caused no direct harm to anyone else, they were/are healthy for her. A good investment in the rest of her life. OP, I hope you find what you're looking for. As evidenced in this thread, it's a wide world of differences out there. Embrace those which speak to you. Good luck.
Scottdmw Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 I would have thought when it comes to most transsexuals, it’s more than a case of ‘having feelings’ for wanting to be the other sex. I thought in many (likely most) there is chromosomal or hormonal defect involved that effects their sexuality from an early age. Studies show that excess testosterone/dhea or in inadequate testosterone/dhea or excess estrogens or in insufficeient estrogens when an embryo/infant is developing in the womb can have a big impact on their life. There are different psychosexual and physical outcomes, depending on what trimester these adverse hormonal conditions occur. I thought I even read about homosexuals having different brain structures. When it comes to men and women there are certain regions of the brain that differ between the sexes. The condition is more than just being the equivalent of say a ‘gambling addict’, for many of these people. That picture that was posted earlier of that TS girl, you think thats a normal male? You are correct that there are a broad array of physical effects that can result from hormone abnormalities. The question is, what do we do about it? I don’t definitively know what the details are of “most” transsexuals. My previous post was primarily directed at people who are relatively normal physically, and it is my impression that describes most transsexuals. Perhaps you have some data on this? There are more difficult cases of course, where gender is physically ambiguous at birth. However, even for difficult cases we are mainly talking about people who are either XX or XY chromosomally. There are some diseases of course where you get XXY etc., but that’s not I think a large number of the cases of people who consider themselves transsexual. If you have someone who is XY chromosomally but has some female characteristics due to a hormone problem, the question is what do you do about it? Surgical and hormonal interventions can make that person appear and feel either more male or more female. How do you choose which? The transsexual community would argue the choice should be made on the basis of what the person feels. I was pointing out that I don’t believe this is the best way to make a decision. Talking about the TS "girl" referenced earlier, I’m not sure I agree with your conclusion. I think you can take a lot of men or boys who would consider themselves to be straight and male, give them some makeup and a dress, pluck their eyebrows, do their hair like a woman, coach them on female mannerisms, and get a similar effect. Would you have the same response to that picture if the person in question was naked (pre-op), and you could see the male genitals? Or, if the person did his best to dress and look male rather than the opposite? Suddenly he wouldn’t look so much like an attractive young girl would he? Scott
Enchanted Girl Posted May 29, 2011 Posted May 29, 2011 (edited) Male, straight, definitely no. While we are on the topic, you would also describe me as reactionary. I agree that some people are born with a condition that makes them feel they are the opposite gender. I disagree that they actually are, or should try to become so. People are born with all kinds of conditions and feelings. Some people are born with a tendency to gamble or drink alcohol until they hurt themselves. Some people are born with a tendency to eat until they are morbidly obese. Their feelings are real—they really want to do those things, and it feels right to them when they do. That doesn’t mean it’s not self-destructive. I don’t believe we can judge the rightness of an action based on a person’s feelings. People can and do make all kinds of destructive choices that hurt themselves or others because it “feels right.” Pick any example of a destructive action you can care to name, and I guarantee it felt right to the person who did it at the time. I’m sure you do feel like you are going with your heart on this, and doing what feels right and natural to you. That doesn’t mean it’s going to make your life happier. I’m also sure that other people have told you that they made this decision and it made them happier. Maybe it did and maybe it didn’t. When people make an unchangeable decision like that they will almost always convince themselves it was for the best whether it was or not. Sometimes people will talk about taking a long hard journey and arriving at a happier place afterwards, someone who had gender reassignment surgery might say something like that. That may be true as far as it goes, but perhaps if they’d taken the same hard journey without the surgery they would have ended up happier. You will of course do what you find to be right. I would just encourage you to continue to think carefully about the decision before you make such a change. Seek out the advice of people who don’t agree with it as well, to make sure you get a balanced viewpoint. Scott LOL. Except being fat makes you unhealthy and can kill you by heart attack. Gambling addictions can take away all your money. And being an alcoholic destroys your liver. While being a transsexual person does absolutely nothing negative to you except cause a lot of social rejection, which is something the rest of us can control and get over. I mean, seriously, all these people probably think they would fight for equal rights of african americans and women if they lived two hundred years ago, but you all prove that you are judgemental against whatever groups society tells you to, so you wouldn't be. Being black doesn't hurt anything, having a vagina doesn't hurt anything, and I have yet to hear how being transsexual hurts something. All it does is teach people how ignorant and unaccepting they are. Now, the rest of my post is directed to several other people on here in general . . . . One of my best friends in person was born a hermaphrodite, but she had enough of a penis (even though it looked funny) that the doctor declared her male, so she was raised as a male the majority of her life. It wasn't until she was 16 years old, after she had been getting stomach cramps every month (because she was having a period and it was leaking into her organs), after she had developed c-cup breasts, curvy hips, and found out that she was only attracted to men, did the doctor test her blood and find out that she had less testosterone than the average female and a whole bunch of estrogen. Her "penis" never grew or developed by the way. Her chromosones are NOT "XX", so technically by your definition she's not a woman, but everything about her is feminine. Now that she's gotten corrective surgery for her genitals, she's complete. She didn't need anything else. Her and I pig out on ice cream and cry over romance movies. We both get PMS and talk about how sexy certain men are. We both can talk for hours and are very emotional. She's just as much a woman as me, even though her chromosones aren't "XX" like mine are. And it PISSES ME OFF when people like you or anyone else say otherwise. When people insist that she has to fit some third category of gender when she is very much female and doesn't feel like she needs to be fit into some random gender on the side. In fact, lol, straight men date her all the time and she often doesn't talk to them at all about her past. In fact, there are guys all over her and they can't ever tell the difference, but then she tells them the truth about her and they flip out and pretend that they could tell all along and that she's gross. In fact, her current boyfriend almost broke-up with her because he's really religious, told a priest about her past, and the priest said he'd go to hell for homosexual relations. SHE HAS A VAGINA. ITS NOT HOMOSEXUAL. OMG. SHE'S A WOMAN. Stop being terrified of someone that doesn't fit perfectly into some stupid mold. And its just that we choose to have this standard. Have you guys heard of Fa'fafine? They are people who are biologically male who dress, behave and identify as women in Samoan culture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fafafine They are actually completely accepted there and parents of Fa'fafine are proud of them. Not only that, but straight men sleep with them (because in their culture its how someone ACTS that defines their gender and not their parts) and aren't labeled as gay or bisexual. In fact, fa'fafine only sleep with straight men. They don't sleep with each other because it would be to them like going into a lesbian relationship and they don't sleep with women. Just straight men. And yet a lot of them have not gotten and never will get sex changes. It's US westerners who invented these labels and stick to them. =/ And we can easily get over them too, but we continue to choose to judge without having any rational reason for doing so, except that we can't fit them into either gender (how we'd like to fit them in) and therefore they should supposedly be treated like freaks or diseased human beings. Edited May 29, 2011 by Enchanted Girl
Author Xaphirus Posted May 29, 2011 Author Posted May 29, 2011 Exactly, Enchanted Girl. I wish more people thought like you.
robdrm32 Posted May 30, 2011 Posted May 30, 2011 Somewhat funny story about this, my g/f brought up the fact that she had stopped me from going "down there", not because she didn't want me to but because she was embarrassed about something. i kept trying to get it out of her but she kept saying i can't its so bad. So all this time i'm thinking oh god does she have a penis? was she a MTF trans? A herm? because she was making it out to sound like it was something horrible. Turns out she hadn't shaved... BIG DEAL woman GD
Author Xaphirus Posted May 30, 2011 Author Posted May 30, 2011 Somewhat funny story about this, my g/f brought up the fact that she had stopped me from going "down there", not because she didn't want me to but because she was embarrassed about something. i kept trying to get it out of her but she kept saying i can't its so bad. So all this time i'm thinking oh god does she have a penis? was she a MTF trans? A herm? because she was making it out to sound like it was something horrible. Turns out she hadn't shaved... BIG DEAL woman GD Haha some women are really self-conscious when it comes to things like this. Funny story and thanks for sharing!
Feelin Frisky Posted May 30, 2011 Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) No thanks. I'm not eating that (whatever it is). Edited May 30, 2011 by Feelin Frisky
LittleTiger Posted May 30, 2011 Posted May 30, 2011 (edited) Female - straight - no A transwoman is a woman and I'm only attracted to men. I have a very close friend, now in her 30s, who was born male and mostly still dresses male - even has a gf who thinks of her as male (which, knowing my friend as well as I do, I simply can't understand) - she's female on the inside - no question. She is, I believe, bi-sexual. She told me she tried to cut off her own penis with a pair of scissors when she was a child! In order to relate to this, to 'put myself in her shoes' I imagined waking up one morning in a man's body . If that is even remotely how a trangender person feels, my heart goes out to them. If that happened to me I would do whatever it took and spend every penny I had to turn myself back into a woman. We all know deep down who we are inside - whatever mistakes biology may have made in creating our physical being. For those who are in a body that feels right you should be thankful for your good luck and stop judging those less fortunate - I'm not a religious person but this seems to be a case of 'there but for the grace of God......' Edited May 30, 2011 by LittleTiger
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