PratyekaYana Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 Perhaps it is attributable to the culture of entitlement that seems to have infested my generation, but it seems as though the dating scene is rife with men and women with unjustified standards. Slovenly, unkempt gentlemen demand women of the most stringent criteria of fitness, and women barely above the poverty level demand doctors and other professionals as suitors. What gives? Is there some fundamental flaw in the dating philosophy that one only has the merit to demand that which one also brings to the table? Discuss.
TheyCallMeBruce Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 I won't date a woman that doesn't give head, but I wouldn't go down on a dude. Does that make me entitled.
Author PratyekaYana Posted May 28, 2011 Author Posted May 28, 2011 I'll assume you aren't being deliberately obtuse and state that if you aren't willing to provide oral sex for your female significant other you can not justifiably request that she "gives you head."
somedude81 Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 A while ago I saw a great commercial. A really fat man and a really fat woman were on the beach running towards each other. As they got closer together and got a better look at each other, they both turned around and ran the other way.
Feelsgoodman Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 This has been discussed as nauseum before, and for some reason, people on this board hate the concept of leagues. They want to believe that somewhere out there, there is this amazing person who meets of all their criteria and who would be willing to accept them just the way they are. I guess it's just human nature. And the fact that pop culture feeds this delusion with stupid songs like Just The Way You Are does not exactly help bring a sense of reality to these poor souls.
fortyninethousand322 Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 This has been discussed as nauseum before, and for some reason, people on this board hate the concept of leagues. They want to believe that somewhere out there, there is this amazing person who meets of all their criteria and who would be willing to accept them just the way they are. I guess it's just human nature. And the fact that pop culture feeds this delusion with stupid songs like Just The Way You Are does not exactly help bring a sense of reality to these poor souls. I think I hate the concept of leagues because it implies a linear concept of universal attractiveness based on looks and/or money. The problem though is that things like looks and personality aren't objective, they're subjective. For instance I'm sure there are several guys out there who like blondes with blue eyes and long legs; I don't, therefore no matter how "hot" she looks to some other guy I'm just not that attracted to her. I'm sure leagues exist, but they're more complicated than "I'm a 6.5, she's a 8.7, so she's out of my league".
Feelsgoodman Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 (edited) I think I hate the concept of leagues because it implies a linear concept of universal attractiveness based on looks and/or money. The problem though is that things like looks and personality aren't objective, they're subjective. For instance I'm sure there are several guys out there who like blondes with blue eyes and long legs; I don't, therefore no matter how "hot" she looks to some other guy I'm just not that attracted to her. I'm sure leagues exist, but they're more complicated than "I'm a 6.5, she's a 8.7, so she's out of my league". Incorrect. Science has proven that attractiveness is a mix of objective and subjective elements. Study after study shows that men almost universally prefer certain physical and behavioral characteristics in women and vice versa. Of course, there will be some deviation from the norm. There are men who don't like long legs or coke bottle figures...heck, there are men who don't like women at all. So I guess if you're an obese midget with a a double chin and a sloping forehead, Brad Pitt or Megan Fox could theoretically be attracted to you, but the chances of that being the case are rather slim. So it wouldn't be unreasonable to conclude that Brad Pitt/Megan Fox is not in that person's league. Of course leagues are an approximation, so it's not that someone who is 6.5 would have no chance with someone who is a 6.8, for example. That's where the subjective element comes in. However, 6.5 and 8.7 is a pretty unlikely match. A relationship between those two individuals would be rather unlikely, unless money or some other factor not related to attraction was involved... Edited May 28, 2011 by Feelsgoodman
AD1980 Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 Incorrect. Science has proven that attractiveness is a mix of objective and subjective elements. Study after study shows that men almost universally prefer certain physical and behavioral characteristics in women and vice versa. Of course, there will be some deviation from the norm. There are men who don't like long legs or coke bottle figures...heck, there are men who don't like women at all. So I guess if you're an obese midget with a a double chin and a sloping forehead, Brad Pitt or Megan Fox could theoretically be attracted to you, but the chances of that being the case are rather slim. So it wouldn't be unreasonable to conclude that Brad Pitt/Megan Fox is not in that person's league. Of course leagues are an approximation, so it's not that someone who is 6.5 would have no chance with someone who is a 6.8, for example. That's where the subjective element comes in. However, 6.5 and 8.7 is a pretty unlikely match. A relationship between those two individuals would be rather unlikely, unless money or some other factor not related to attraction was involved... You're usign extremes most peopel walking the streets you see are either average or a little above or below rarely do you see a bunch of 9's or 10's or somebody whos just vomit inducingly ugly.. So for most people in the mdidle it can be pretty subjetcive..Im sure theres women a little better looking then me who are attracted to me and women i think are unattratcive and below me in looks who think im ugly..
fortyninethousand322 Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 Incorrect. Science has proven that attractiveness is a mix of objective and subjective elements. Study after study shows that men almost universally prefer certain physical and behavioral characteristics in women and vice versa. Of course, there will be some deviation from the norm. There are men who don't like long legs or coke bottle figures...heck, there are men who don't like women at all. So I guess if you're an obese midget with a a double chin and a sloping forehead, Brad Pitt or Megan Fox could theoretically be attracted to you, but the chances of that being the case are rather slim. So it wouldn't be unreasonable to conclude that Brad Pitt/Megan Fox is not in that person's league. I don't know I have seen women that I'd rate as a 7 that friends have rated as a 9 and vice versa. Granted I'm not a scientist so my evidence is purely anecdotal. Either that or my friends and I are all weird people.
Feelsgoodman Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 So for most people in the mdidle it can be pretty subjetcive..Im sure theres women a little better looking then me who are attracted to me and women i think are unattratcive and below me in looks who think im ugly.. This is no different from what I said.
Feelsgoodman Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 I don't know I have seen women that I'd rate as a 7 that friends have rated as a 9 and vice versa. Granted I'm not a scientist so my evidence is purely anecdotal. Either that or my friends and I are all weird people. As I said, there are always exceptions from the general rule (gay men being the extreme example).
Kamille Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 This has been discussed as nauseum before, and for some reason, people on this board hate the concept of leagues. They want to believe that somewhere out there, there is this amazing person who meets of all their criteria and who would be willing to accept them just the way they are. I guess it's just human nature. And the fact that pop culture feeds this delusion with stupid songs like Just The Way You Are does not exactly help bring a sense of reality to these poor souls. So what about you then? Are you dating within your league? As to the OP, I must not suffer from entitlement issues, as I have never had problems meeting and dating good quality men who exceeded my standards. Perhaps people should spend less time trying to figure out what's wrong with X or Y gender (pun intended) and more time genuinely getting to know people.
tigressA Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 As to the OP, I must not suffer from entitlement issues, as I have never had problems meeting and dating good quality men who exceeded my standards. Perhaps people should spend less time trying to figure out what's wrong with X or Y gender (pun intended) and more time genuinely getting to know people. Agreed! I've also had no problem dating men who exceeded my standards. Maybe it's because I didn't put any stock into what job they had, how much money they made, or if I felt they were more good-looking than I am. Shocker!
Woggle Posted May 28, 2011 Posted May 28, 2011 Because we live in a culture where people refuse accept accountability for themselves so they feel entitled to things they are not willing to give themselves. If you ask me nobody should ask for what they are unwilling to give.
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