Maybe women should dress more conservatively

[fortyninethousand322]

Yup, I compared you to future rapists and I stand by it. Anyone who thinks a woman DESERVES mistreatment based on what she wears will probably end up as a real-life penetrator as in "The Accused."

 

I think that ignores the other psychological aspects of what makes someone a rapist. And I think the analogy is a little extreme.

[anne1707]

Yes, you did.

 

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279107&page=2

 

Post #20

 

She meant not married in the context of the thread. SG does have a boyfriend.

[Darren Taylor]

She meant not married in the context of the thread. SG does have a boyfriend.

 

 

She still said she's single, and I proved it. I've been reading the topics here for awhile. She is always in and out of relationships and confrontational here. Comparing the male posters here to rapists??? That's pretty uncalled for.

[Pianiste]

I'm a woman and when I see somebody of the same sex wearing skimpy clothes I can't help but form a quick opinion, mostly a negative one, on her. She very well knows what kind of attention it gets her when she dresses like that. It's even worse when they start complaining to you why they always attract the wrong kind of attention.

 

It's a stereotype, you might think you are different but there's no way to beat it.

[Els]

I think it's apples and oranges because his shirt is actually designed to offend people, whereas slutty clothes aren't designed to offend a horny guy.

 

That said, he shouldn't be surprised if people are offended, but he doesn't ASK or DESERVE to be beaten to a pulp or mocked or anything else, regardless of how offensive or inciteful his shirt is.

 

He's in control of what he wears. YOU and everyone else are in control of how you respond.

 

Of course everyone is in control of what they do or wear. Thus people should act or dress being mindful of the consequences of acting/dressing in a certain manner. This goes for both the women, as well as the men who look at them.

 

His dress provokes the natural response of anger in people who see it, and they may choose to yell at him or pick a fight with him. Similarly, her dress provokes the natural response of lust in men who pass her, and they may choose to ogle and/or catcall. Of course, the actions above are all wrong as well, and will also be met with consequences of their own. The guy beating up the t-shirt guy will be arrested, the guy whistling at the woman might be slapped by her or beaten up by her bf. And so on. Every action has a reaction.

 

Look, what if the guy goes one step further and says 'Go to hell, niggas!' instead of wears it. Does he deserve to be beaten up then? Yes? If so, why should people not deserve any consequences for how they dress, and only how they act?

[betterdeal]

Yup, I compared you to future rapists and I stand by it. Anyone who thinks a woman DESERVES mistreatment based on what she wears will probably end up as a real-life penetrator as in "The Accused."

 

Okay then. I compare you to a future paedophile based on your controlling tendencies. So there.

[Darren Taylor]

I'm a woman and when I see somebody of the same sex wearing skimpy clothes I can't help but form a quick opinion, mostly a negative one, on her. She very well knows what kind of attention it gets her when she dresses like that. It's even worse when they start complaining to you why they always attract the wrong kind of attention.

 

It's a stereotype, you might think you are different but there's no way to beat it.

 

 

Very well said, and non-biased. One of the few women in this thread that's making sense. Kudos.

[anne1707]

I will not slander SG, because I'm better than she is. But I highly suggest that everyone on here who is offended by what she's saying, report her for abuse.

 

You slandered me though

[denise_xo]

Very well said, and non-biased. One of the few women in this thread that's making sense. Kudos.

 

Oh, I'm making lots of sense. You just don't get it

[anne1707]

I have ADD. I forgot who said what.

 

I apologize, but it was not my intention.

 

Apology accepted

[betterdeal]

I think that ignores the other psychological aspects of what makes someone a rapist. And I think the analogy is a little extreme.

 

It's also a strawman argument against something I have not said.

[Darren Taylor]

The one person that truly should apologize(and she knows who she is) hasn't done so yet and even admitted she stands by what she said. This thread got out of hand.

[Darren Taylor]

But SG's view is very conservative. I suppose anybody who whacks off to a female celebrity is "raping" her. If so, I must have raped Avril Lavigne at least a hundred times (give me a break! )

 

 

That's not even the issue in this thread. The real issue is the confrontational posts and the offensive nature of them.

[denise_xo]

That's not even the issue in this thread. The real issue is the confrontational posts and the offensive nature of them.

 

By LS standards, I'd say this thread isn't that bad. Do you ever read the infidelity or politics sections?

[betterdeal]

I never said I would rape anybody, either.

 

I never said anyone deserved anything, let alone rape.

 

All I said was that it would make for a great masturbation fantasy. If you see a half naked, or almost naked, female body, any red blooded man will think with the wrong head.

 

Then I don't have red blood as I spent six months training as a massage therapist with 20 women and 1 other man, and we were all down to our undies every session.

 

But SG's view is very conservative. I suppose anybody who whacks off to a female celebrity is "raping" her. If so, I must have raped Avril Lavigne at least a hundred times (give me a break! )

 

It comes across as really Puritan. As do some of the opposition responses.

[Darren Taylor]

By LS standards, I'd say this thread isn't that bad. Do you ever read the infidelity or politics sections?

 

 

Infidelity, very seldom. Politics, no. A good portion over there are trolls. This is someone that's been here 6 years. And referring to male posters as rapists? I don't mind debating and I can say something that may be a bit unnecessary(but not so much offensive and certainly not worthy of discipline here), but that's just uncalled for. Offensive, uncalled for, and should not be tolerated.

[Els]

I think OM/OW forums has the worst possible hurtful insults flung around.

 

I am also quite curious how SG claimed to be 'happily single and there is nothing wrong with that' for close to a year, and now uses the status as an insult once she has gone back into a relationship. =/

[Star Gazer]

But SG's view is very conservative. I suppose anybody who whacks off to a female celebrity is "raping" her. If so, I must have raped Avril Lavigne at least a hundred times (give me a break! )

 

Huh? How is my view conservative?

 

Thinking a woman DESERVES mistreatment because of what she wears is disgusting. That's not a conservative view, that's an ethical view.

[Star Gazer]

She still said she's single, and I proved it. I've been reading the topics here for awhile. She is always in and out of relationships and confrontational here. Comparing the male posters here to rapists??? That's pretty uncalled for.

 

I'm single as in not married, but I am in a relationship. You must have me confused with someone else. I'm most definitely not in-and-out of relationships.

 

I only compared YOU and one or two others who believe women DESERVE mistreatment based on what they wear to future rapists. I assure you that not all men think the way you do. You're in the minority, thankfully!!!

[Star Gazer]

I think OM/OW forums has the worst possible hurtful insults flung around.

 

I am also quite curious how SG claimed to be 'happily single and there is nothing wrong with that' for close to a year, and now uses the status as an insult once she has gone back into a relationship. =/

 

I was happily single, and I'd still be happily single if I hadn't randomly come across an awesome dude who I couldn't pass up, because I wasn't looking for/desperate for a relationship, much unlike the men in this thread who have little to no relationship experience and believe women deserve mistreatment based on what they wear. It's THAT disgusting attitude and position that they have that explains for me, in part, why they are unable to find a woman who's interested in them.

[O'Malley]

I try to put myself in the shoes of a man, look at that picture and I think "I'd be all for women with bodies like that showing so much of them off...and I certainly wouldn't be punishing them for doing so by shouting out humiliating comments and cat calls."

 

Agreed. There's nothing wrong with finding someone attractive and going on your way, but *some* men are looking to intimidate women and will rationalize any excuse to justifiy their behavior. "This is what you deserve" is exactly the notion that those types subscribe to.

 

Whatever you think of someone's appearance, you're a real sh*t to comment upon it unsolicited. Everyone knowns catcallers aren't trying to be complimentary, they're just exercising what they feel to be their privilege in putting women in their place.

 

It's not unreasonable for people to go out in public and not expect to have sexual comments aimed at them, and I'm pretty sure that many of the defenders of that behavior on this thread have never regularly experienced this, the way many women have.

[denise_xo]

Offensive, uncalled for, and should not be tolerated.

 

Well, I also find it offensive, uncalled for, and intolerable that women are called sluts based on what they wear - but that is something that has been argued for in this thread.

[Star Gazer]

And your post was reported. That was a very offensive comment and if you're that bitter and confrontational here, I'd hate to imagine what you're like in person.

 

It's my opinion, and I stand by it, that any man who thinks a woman deserves mistreatment based on what she wears has the same mindset as a rapist who believes a woman deserves to be raped based on what she wears. The rapists in "The Accused" felt the same exact way you do... that she deserved to be raped based on what she wore. You're no different.

[betterdeal]

Women who dress provocatively, do so intentionally, and do so to attract male attention. Any person who claims that is not the case is simply not concerned with the truth. This whole thread went off track because some of the posters dishonestly attempted to deny the above.

 

But what you're talking about is a meaningless truism. If I set out to provoke then someone is likely to be provoked.

 

What I object to in your thinking is that skimpy clothing is the same dressing provocatively. If I sit on my porch in shorts on a hot summer's day, I am probably doing it because it's cooler and more comfortable, not to attracted female attention.

 

There's a lack of emotional intelligence in thinking all shorts and all mini-skirts mean the wearer is out to display her wares with sexual intent. And even if she is out to show her legs off, that does not mean she's green lighted all forms of sexual attention.

 

The creepy guy you referred to earlier is creepy because of such a lack of emotional intelligence, such black and white thinking, and that's why he, not the attractive guy, goes over the top in his response. The attractive guy is attractive because he has boundaries, and respect, and knows how to flirt or show interest without shooting his verbal load all over the street.

[bentnotbroken]

If women don't want to be looked at sexually or have men thinking, wanting, or talking about sex so much perhaps they should dress more conservatively. Doesn't common sense tell people that? Alot of women tell me they just want to look good and feel sexy because life is a beauty contest for women, but you can still look good without all the makeup and if you dress more conservatively.

 

 

I was in my front yard pushing a mower. I had on long pants, long sleeved shirt, gloves, big straw hat and bug sunglasses. It never fails, some idiot is going to yell something inappropriate. I can be at a gas station and some jack wagon is going to "hey baby", "Umm, mmm, mmmy" or even " I pulled up at the right time". At none of these instances am I dressed in a way to advertise anything other than I am a human. Life ain't no damn beauty contest for a lot of us. We are beautiful without validation by some jerk who's only clue to any type of training is to yell, whistle, harass or in general show his brains leaking from his genitals.

 

Respect of others comes from self respect. If one feels that how someone is dressed is a signal to address them in such a disrespectful manner, it says more about the one whose lips are flapping in the wind than the one whose "bitties" are. These same people are the ones who probably pass by the homeless and yell, "you bum, get a job!" After all some of their clothes scream that they should be treated a certain way. And what about those conservatively dressed chicks? I am sure they deserve to be cheated on because their clothes should say they no little about sex or sexuality. I mean let's take it all the way. What does the clothes of a pregnant woman say about her? The guy at Arby's thought my maternity dress said, "lets have sex, you are already knocked up and you can't get pregnant by me." Sheesh! As my youngest would say "brain function is the gift that God gave and most people are too damn lazy to use it.":sick: