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Star Gazer Established Member

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Anne, to be fair, would you REALLY dress up like, say, a donut, and tell the starers and gigglers 'Hey, you should be showing me respect and not doing that! I have the right to dress however I want and it shouldn't be up to me to change it.' Really? I mean, it's rude of them to giggle at you, sure, but 'you sorta asked for it' is also applicable in that case. Why should that not apply to women who dress excessively provocatively then?

 

Well, there's a big difference between "well, you shouldn't really be surprised at the cat calls from creepy creepers if you dress like a street walker" and "hey, she DESERVED it!"

 

Ya know?

 

If a guy cat calls, particularly if he thinks she "deserves it," it says more about him than the woman wearing provocative clothing. So that tells me all I need to know about the dudes in this thread.

Darren Taylor Established Member

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You didn't answer my question. WHERE's the line drawn for you? She "deserves" to get cat calls, but doesn't deserve to be raped? What did Stow "deserve" for wearing the wrong jersey?

 

 

Stow deserved to get clowned on. He didn't deserve any physical harm. If you're wearing revealing, you will(and rightfully so) get cat called. That's perfectly legal and you're asking for it. If I decide to beat your ass outside Dodger Stadium because you're wearing Giants merchandise, I can't do that according to the law. Just a bit of a difference.

 

 

Aren't they both responsible for their actions? I mean, if I were to wander around Jerusalem in a Nazi uniform, I'd be responsible to some degree for any violence I experienced, right?

 

 

You deserved to get some verbal heat, but not physical harm. You're not a threat, just like a Giants, Padres, or Angels fan in Dodger Stadium is not a threat. They're a fan just like you or I, just of another team.

anne1707 Established Member

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Anne, to be fair, would you REALLY dress up like, say, a donut, and tell the starers and gigglers 'Hey, you should be showing me respect and not doing that! I have the right to dress however I want and it shouldn't be up to me to change it.' Really? I mean, it's rude of them to giggle at you, sure, but 'you sorta asked for it' is also applicable in that case. Why should that not apply to women who dress excessively provocatively then?

 

What is frustrating me is how some posters here see that there is no problem in a man cat-calling etc and that they can treat a woman like trash. Also the assumption that a woman is "easy" just because of how she dresses is so unfair - it is yet another stereotype. I have already said that the woman is responsible for her behaviour - but she is not responsible for the man's behaviour. That is all down to him.

Taramere Established Member

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There is only one reason why this girl is dressed like this.

 

If she's in some kind of holiday resort, then I don't think there's anything that outrageous about what she's wearing. You might expect her to put on a sarong or something if she's walking from a pool to a bar...but who knows? You'd certainly see a lot less than that at a nudist resort.

 

I just don't understand men, I suppose. I try to put myself in the shoes of a man, look at that picture and I think "I'd be all for women with bodies like that showing so much of them off...and I certainly wouldn't be punishing them for doing so by shouting out humiliating comments and cat calls."

denise_xo Established Member

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Absolutely she should be responsible. If you're showing skin, you're doing it to attract attention. A guy that gets cat called obviously deserves it if he's topless or wearing a tank top. If I'm walking down the street in a t-shirt and jeans, I'm not showing skin outside of my arms below the elbow. Nothing revealing. I love how all the women are getting all emotional. Must be some truth to this. :p.

 

OH pleaase don't throw the fu_king emotional card :rolleyes: I've argued very rationally here, so has SG that your post was in response to. I call cheap on that one. Thanks for allowing the masturbation, though :p

betterdeal Established Member

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You guys sound like rapists in the making.

 

They "deserve" what they get for what they wear, whether it's a low cut top or the wrong jersey? UNBELIEVABLE!!! :mad::mad::mad:

 

You sound like a nasty piece of work who wants to close down any debate by slinging around libellous insinuations.

Els Established Member

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Well, there's a big difference between "well, you shouldn't really be surprised at the cat calls from creepy creepers if you dress like a street walker" and "hey, she DESERVED it!"

 

Ya know?

 

If a guy cat calls, particularly if he thinks she "deserves it," it says more about him than the woman wearing provocative clothing. So that tells me all I need to know about the dudes in this thread.

 

...Eh, semantics, I guess. I wouldn't think twice about frankly telling a donut-dressing friend 'you kinda deserved it' if she complains people laughed at her. 'asked for' and 'deserved' is somewhat similar in my book. Perhaps just my opinion.

 

Some of the guys DO think they're literally entitled to treat 'slutty' women with absolutely no respect, though, and that is very immature. it's definitely not just one side that's wrong.

Darren Taylor Established Member

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OH pleaase don't throw the fu_king emotional card :rolleyes: I've argued very rationally here, so has SG that your post was in response to. I call cheap on that one. Thanks for allowing the masturbation, though :p

 

 

Cat call me all you want. :p If I'm topless or wearing a tank top, I deserve it though.

Star Gazer Established Member

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If a woman is dressed like this, should she not be treated like a prostitute?

 

http://www.stanford.edu/group/ccr/blog/prostitute.JPG

 

No woman "should" be treated any way based on what she wears.

 

If she approaches your car in revealing clothing and says, "Hey yo baby, lookin' for a date? 50 bucks!" ONLY THEN can you treat her like a prostitute.

 

I'm soooooooooo not surprised that y'all are single. This is absolutely disgusting.

anne1707 Established Member

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I don't see Anne defending hookers on here.

 

Maybe because this thread is not about prostitution :rolleyes:

denise_xo Established Member

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If a woman is dressed like this, should she not be treated like a prostitute?

 

http://www.stanford.edu/group/ccr/blog/prostitute.JPG

 

Oh wait! That is an actual picture of a prostitute...so where were we again?

 

Oh yeah, if a woman dresses like a hooker, and she's not one, should she not be treated like one by men?

 

I don't see Anne defending hookers on here. A woman who dresses provocatively (and I don't mean casual wear, I mean really slutty clothes) is selling her body. So is the hooker. Where is the difference?

 

Do I have to walk up to one of these women, and offer them cash, in exchange for staring at her body (which she obviously put on display?)

 

What you should do is what we all should do - treat others with respect.

betterdeal Established Member

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You deserved to get some verbal heat, but not physical harm. You're not a threat, just like a Giants, Padres, or Angels fan in Dodger Stadium is not a threat. They're a fan just like you or I, just of another team.

 

I didn't ask who deserved anything.

Star Gazer Established Member

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...Eh, semantics, I guess. I wouldn't think twice about frankly telling a donut-dressing friend 'you kinda deserved it' if she complains people laughed at her. 'asked for' and 'deserved' is somewhat similar in my book. Perhaps just my opinion.

 

Some of the guys DO think they're literally entitled to treat 'slutty' women with absolutely no respect, though, and that is very immature. it's definitely not just one side that's wrong.

 

You're still way off from what I'm saying.

 

"Asked for" and "deserved it" are one in the same to me.

 

"Shouldn't be surprised" is something entirely different.

 

NO ONE "asks for" or "deserves" mistreatment based on what they wear.

Darren Taylor Established Member

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You sound like a nasty piece of work who wants to close down any debate by slinging around libellous insinuations.

 

 

I agree. That was uncalled for. No one accused female posters here of being prostitutes. That was pretty offensive.

 

 

...Eh, semantics, I guess. I wouldn't think twice about frankly telling a donut-dressing friend 'you kinda deserved it' if she complains people laughed at her. 'asked for' and 'deserved' is somewhat similar in my book. Perhaps just my opinion.

 

Some of the guys DO think they're literally entitled to treat 'slutty' women with absolutely no respect, though, and that is very immature. it's definitely not just one side that's wrong.

 

 

Both sides play a role, but I can cat call and it's perfectly legal(I personally wouldn't do it, just making a point). SG, on the other hand, is comparing this to a sports game and specifically an individual that was beat up. There's no comparison. I can cat call and it's legal. I can't beat you up. That's assault.

Els Established Member

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You're still way off from what I'm saying.

 

"Asked for" and "deserved it" are one in the same to me.

 

"Shouldn't be surprised" is something entirely different.

 

NO ONE "asks for" or "deserves" mistreatment based on what they wear.

 

....Ooookay. What about someone wearing a t-shirt saying 'Go to hell, niggas'?

fortyninethousand322 Established Member

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Wow, this thread is amusing. The last time I remember people caring about what a woman was wearing was back in middle school when girls got in trouble for dress code violations.

 

Personally I advocate for people of either sex to wear clothes that look good and feel good, it makes no sense to be uncomfortable just to look sexy. This sort of thing is entirely subjective though; what might be skimpy to one person might just be comfortable and good looking to another. I would approach all women the same way whether they're wearing short shorts and a skimpy top that shows their midriff or long sleeves and jeans.

 

A word of caution though for all: what you wear will always be interpreted by others, and not always in the way you think it will. A guy wearing a pair of ripped jeans and a ratty Steve Miller Band t-shirt is going to be viewed much differently than a guy wearing a polo shirt and khakis. Same goes for "sexy" clothing choices. Is this fair? Maybe, maybe not. But it's the reality.

Darren Taylor Established Member

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I'm soooooooooo not surprised that y'all are single. This is absolutely disgusting.

 

 

Um, you're single too.

denise_xo Established Member

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I don't see me getting respect for my views. I don't see the OP getting respect, either.

 

What I do see is 5-6 men, including myself, on here having an intellectual debate with 2-3 women who are harassing, insulting, and degrading us for our views.

 

If there's anybody who is bringing in sexism, the women on here are. They're reinforcing the view that all women are bats*it crazy.

 

Can you please specify where I have 'harassed, insulted or degraded' anyone?

Star Gazer Established Member

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....Ooookay. What about someone wearing a t-shirt saying 'Go to hell, niggas'?

 

I think it's apples and oranges because his shirt is actually designed to offend people, whereas slutty clothes aren't designed to offend a horny guy.

 

That said, he shouldn't be surprised if people are offended, but he doesn't ASK or DESERVE to be beaten to a pulp or mocked or anything else, regardless of how offensive or inciteful his shirt is.

 

He's in control of what he wears. YOU and everyone else are in control of how you respond.

Star Gazer Established Member

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Um, you're single too.

 

No, I'm not. ;)

Star Gazer Established Member

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Okay, you're the nice one.

 

Star Gazer and Anne have compared us to rapists...

 

Yup, I compared you to future rapists and I stand by it. Anyone who thinks a woman DESERVES mistreatment based on what she wears will probably end up as a real-life penetrator as in "The Accused."

denise_xo Established Member

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Okay, you're the nice one.

 

:laugh::)

 

Let's say I go to a public park, take off all my clothes, and walk around naked. My body is my body, and I have a personal choice to not wear any clothes at all.

 

Let's see how far that goes, when the cops arrest me for public indecency...

 

In that case, you would be breaking the law (at least where I live), which is a quite different scenario from the topic in this thread.

anne1707 Established Member

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Star Gazer and Anne have compared us to rapists, have said they're not surprised we're single, and have compared dress to a sports game (take off all your clothes, and you're wearing a different jersey? :rolleyes:)

 

Excuse me but I made one reference to the line that has unfortunately even been used by some members of the judiciary in that a woman was "asking for it" because of how she was dressed. I have not accused anybody of being rapists or made any other comment as quoted above.

betterdeal Established Member

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He's in control of what he wears. YOU and everyone else are in control of how you respond.

 

So you agree both parties are responsible for their own actions. But whilst you disagree with any aggression as a response, you don't think he bares some responsibility for the situation that transpires. The Orangemen marching through West Belfast aren't responsible to some degree for any violent response from the Republican community there? Really?

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