Mark11 Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 I like games in terms of video games or board games, but I don't like this concept of game in the dating sense. I don't even like the sound of it. Why do people in this world make dating so g---amn complicated? How come dating and courtship can't be more simple and practical without all the "game" and stupid s--t?
Feelin Frisky Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 I think it's a condition of neglect. Social development has never been provided for as a priority in education so we just keep turning out generations of people who just "default" to "game". It's even considered uncool to think and speak on this level--it's more hip to appear stupid and avoid anything that sounds intellectual. We have problems. And I don't think there is any better place to make a dent than in reforming education to make social development a high priority.
AD1980 Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 I think it's a condition of neglect. Social development has never been provided for as a priority in education so we just keep turning out generations of people who just "default" to "game". It's even considered uncool to think and speak on this level--it's more hip to appear stupid and avoid anything that sounds intellectual. We have problems. And I don't think there is any better place to make a dent than in reforming education to make social development a high priority. Yep..And with technology expandind and people not leaving their house or phones peopel are ognna become even more socially retarded as a whole
thatone Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 http://xkcd.com/592/ lol, i love xkcd too. OP, the one thing this forum needed was more angsty people blaming the world for their own problems. for that, we salute you.
Author Mark11 Posted May 22, 2011 Author Posted May 22, 2011 lol, i love xkcd too. OP, the one thing this forum needed was more angsty people blaming the world for their own problems. for that, we salute you. I don't blame nobody for my probs. I'm just saying I think the concept of "game" is stupid.
Author Mark11 Posted May 22, 2011 Author Posted May 22, 2011 Game, social skills, what have you. They're all the same thing. I think a missing or absent father can lead to a young man not knowing how to seduce women. I am one of those people, and I have been given some advice. I also have been pointed in the direction of PUA's, and while I disagree with the premise of misogyny that many of these PUA's have, I agree that they know how to seduce women. Maybe you should check out some of Mystery's books? I'm downloading an ebook of his, and going through it. Some very interesting stuff. Yeah, game and social skills, it's all unnecessary high expectations. I didn't grow up with my biological dad, but I was raised by my older brother so I did have a "father figure". And the irony is he was for lack of a better word, a mack. He always had a girlfriend if not multiple girlfriends. And actually I've known some guys who weren't raised with a father figure who have lots a ladies. It could be other factors as well. Thanks for the recommendation. I looked into the PUA thing a few years ago also.
persevere Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 It seems most women like games. To me it is just simply rude. The younger they are, the more games they play. That's a problem for me, because I don't play games. I call you and you don't call me back? Well, cya. We make a date, I shouldn't have to remind you about it. Again, cya. How about a little integrity and courtesy? I consider myself a very nice person, but I am not gonna grovel over anyone. Lot's of women seem to value their self worth on how hard someone "chases" them. To them, I say good luck. Someone may be into the chase, while many good men are probably just sick of the bs and move on. It's not worth it.
thatone Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 I don't blame nobody for my probs. I'm just saying I think the concept of "game" is stupid. you made three new threads in 15 minutes, each with a new complaint.
Author Mark11 Posted May 22, 2011 Author Posted May 22, 2011 you made three new threads in 15 minutes, each with a new complaint. Not a complaint. They are good points. Get off my case and don't judge me. I actually wanted to start these threads awhile ago. But I had some time this morning.
Jazzari Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 When I first started dating again, I just did what came naturally. Which meant no games. After a bit, I worried that I was out of my depth and looked for advice on the net. I went to places that were specifically for women. They told me I did *everything* wrong. -I wasn't supposed to call or email back right away. (I always did) -I wasn't supposed to have contact with him every day. (We were chatting 2-3 times per day) -I wasn't supposed to accept the first offer of a date. (I jumped as soon as he asked) -I wasn't supposed to be available every weekend. (I wanted to be with him and saw no reason to pretend otherwise) -I was supposed to keep my feelings to myself. (I liked him and showed it) -I wasn't supposed to make any effort at all. (I drove 8 hours to be with him) I thought about all this advice and about how my relationship was working. Then threw their rule book out. I wonder how many girls follow this type of advice? Because the site told me that following their rules was the only way to get and keep a man and I really worried about it. But they were wrong. At least with this particular guy anyway. Maybe those things are normally needed?
youaretheone Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Think of it like a defense mechanism where you don't put yourself on the spot and try to see if the other person is really available for you. The main problem arises when you try to apply game tactics you read from a book or online, without corporating them into your inner game and character. A man confidently showing his attraction to a women and not head over heels for her in the beginning is attractive. The man who is trying to act like this loses his temper at one point and he rather looks immature or it is too obvious that he is playing games. That is the point the concept of the "game" becomes a hassle. Same for women.
sanskrit Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Are you talking about "games" we all claim not to play in dating yet do, as in head games? or "game" as in maximizing one's social skills to attract the opposite sex? If the former, agree with your frustration, if the latter, you are just being lazy and making excuses for not bettering yourself.
thatone Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Think of it like a defense mechanism where you don't put yourself on the spot and try to see if the other person is really available for you. The main problem arises when you try to apply game tactics you read from a book or online, without corporating them into your inner game and character. agree. (although i think the idea of refusing the offer of first date takes it too far, i won't ask twice). for me, it's guidelines. not too much text/phone, especially before the first date. ok i maintain this one. if she wants to text all the time? fine, i can text too, about nothing. and if she takes it too far i'll just say there's more to that and i'd prefer to talk about it in person, whatever that is. as for the rest... not being available all the time? too many assumptions with that. an independent stock trader working from home making millions, i doubt, would be undesirable to women, and that guy is available all day. not making too much effort? again, assumptions. women are assuming that every man they come in contact with is completely smitten by them. might be a good way to weed out the ones who aren't, but do you want a lost puppy? of course not, women say they don't all the time and their actions back that up. keeping your feelings to yourself? for what purpose? sounds like a good idea if you're more after free meals than potential relationships.
JungleLover Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Asking "why" on matters like this gives you the obligation to also ask "why we just can't we all just get along."
Jynxx Posted May 22, 2011 Posted May 22, 2011 Childeren of men with good social skills and social value will be more successfull than average. So a woman wants to test if her mate or potential mate has enough social skills and social value, and will dump him if he hasn't. How can she do this? She will test him, see if he is desperate, see how he reacts when she is being unreasonable etc. This is evolutionary developed, and not something that will change in the near future, or ever.
Author Mark11 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Posted May 23, 2011 Are you talking about "games" we all claim not to play in dating yet do, as in head games? or "game" as in maximizing one's social skills to attract the opposite sex? If the former, agree with your frustration, if the latter, you are just being lazy and making excuses for not bettering yourself. I was referring to "game" in the latter sense and I'm not being lazy or making excuses and a person who has "game" isn't better. The concept of "game" in a dating sense is an unnecessary burden.
sanskrit Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 I was referring to "game" in the latter sense and I'm not being lazy or making excuses and a person who has "game" isn't better. The concept of "game" in a dating sense is an unnecessary burden. All "game" means is practicing and developing social skills that you should be practicing and developing anyway for a richer, happier more fulfilled life, as one part of the equation of attracting the opposite sex, and yes, you are obviously lazy if the above is your attitude.
Author Mark11 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Posted May 23, 2011 All "game" means is practicing and developing social skills that you should be practicing and developing anyway for a richer, happier more fulfilled life, as one part of the equation of attracting the opposite sex, and yes, you are obviously lazy if the above is your attitude. You can underline all you want. Your opinion makes no sense at all. And I don't have to practice jack squat and I shouldn't have to. Take your self-righteous judgemental self somewhere else with your horrible attitude. Like I said I'm not lazy, just speaking the truth and common sense, don't get mad if you can't handle it or you don't have common sense.
sanskrit Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 You can underline all you want. Your opinion makes no sense at all. And I don't have to practice jack squat and I shouldn't have to. Take your self-righteous judgemental self somewhere else with your horrible attitude. Like I said I'm not lazy, just speaking the truth and common sense, don't get mad if you can't handle it or you don't have common sense. You're a real charmer... a lazy one, but a charmer nonetheless. Understand exactly why you made the thread now because as far as "game" goes, you got none. Keep whining about why you shouldn't have to have any, women will eventually fall at your feet from all the crying.
Author Mark11 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Posted May 23, 2011 You're a real charmer... a lazy one, but a charmer nonetheless. Understand exactly why you made the thread now because as far as "game" goes, you got none. Keep whining about why you shouldn't have to have any, women will eventually fall at your feet. Hey you know what, you can respond with sarcasm and smart elike comments all you want. Like I told you before you have a horrible attitude, and you can take your self-righteous judgemental self somewhere else. But oh yeah that's right, women just love those types of guys. Good luck a$$wipe. And the only one who's lazy is you.
sanskrit Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 And the only one who's lazy is you. No, you see, I've -got- game, lots of it, and it takes lots of hard work over years, lazy men never get it though, nor do they get anything else in life. Let me guess, someone in your life told you that you were god's special creature, and that one day an angel would fall right out of the sky and into your lap who would love you for you with all your quirks. Hate to burst your bubble, but someone gave you some bad info. Nothing in life comes without effort, and that includes the social skills necessary to attract the women you want. And you may think I'm being caustic and nasty but I'm not.
Author Mark11 Posted May 23, 2011 Author Posted May 23, 2011 (edited) No, you see, I've -got- game, lots of it, and it takes lots of hard work over years, lazy men never get it though, nor do they get anything else in life. Let me guess, someone in your life told you that you were god's special creature, and that one day an angel would fall right out of the sky and into your lap who would love you for you with all your quirks. Hate to burst your bubble, but someone gave you some bad info. Nothing in life comes without effort, and that includes the social skills necessary to attract the women you want. And you may think I'm being caustic and nasty but I'm not. Ok well whatever. Good for you that you have what you consider game. Do you want a cookie? First of all your sarcasm is wrong and the only lazy one here is you. You don't know know me so don't judge or be self-righteous. Don't preach to me. "Game" and all that other crap are unnecessary burdens. If you're a fan of that, then knock yourself out, but don't think everyone has to carry or accept your wrong opinion. Thanks for playing, you can excuse yourself and your a$$ backward opinions from my thread now. Edited May 23, 2011 by Mark11
betterdeal Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 It depends on the mood I'm in and the way it's played. If the teasing goes on for too long, I give up. Nothing wrong with a bit of flirting / pulling pig tails to begin with, so long as I don't invest to much happiness generation in the relationship. If it's going to be a substantial relationship, it requires we get along in a companionable way, have ways to interact that are enjoyable and sustainable. If not, it can be fun for the first flushes and a bit of a wriggle together, but generally, I lack interest in people who are always in the playground.
Ross MwcFan Posted May 23, 2011 Posted May 23, 2011 (edited) When I first started dating again, I just did what came naturally. Which meant no games. After a bit, I worried that I was out of my depth and looked for advice on the net. I went to places that were specifically for women. They told me I did *everything* wrong. -I wasn't supposed to call or email back right away. (I always did) -I wasn't supposed to have contact with him every day. (We were chatting 2-3 times per day) -I wasn't supposed to accept the first offer of a date. (I jumped as soon as he asked) -I wasn't supposed to be available every weekend. (I wanted to be with him and saw no reason to pretend otherwise) -I was supposed to keep my feelings to myself. (I liked him and showed it) -I wasn't supposed to make any effort at all. (I drove 8 hours to be with him) I thought about all this advice and about how my relationship was working. Then threw their rule book out. I wonder how many girls follow this type of advice? Because the site told me that following their rules was the only way to get and keep a man and I really worried about it. But they were wrong. At least with this particular guy anyway. Maybe those things are normally needed? Well, I can't see 'not accepting the first offer of a date' to be right. If I asked a girl out on a date and she didn't accept, I'd just think she wasn't interested. So I wouldn't bother pursuing things any further, and I'd move on. I'd have no idea that she's interested and all I need to do is ask her out a few more times (which would feel like begging). I've got a feeling it'd be like this with a lot of guys, or even most. Edited May 23, 2011 by Ross MwcFan
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