JohnnyCage Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 For those who are strongly against webcam performers: How do you feel about those who visit those sites and pay the girls to perform? Or even those who surf free porn sites. Are they equally immoral? Is is bad for the mom to strip to support her son, but ok for the dad to surf porn sites just for kicks? So now you want to justify prostitution/stripping by using a man who watches porn as an example?
carhill Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Is is bad for the mom to strip to support her son, but ok for the dad to surf porn sites just for kicks? If both parents are equally accepting of and/or supportive of the other's 'job' or 'habits', then it is healthy and acceptable within that relationship. TBH, most of the grass roots porn stuff I've seen is a partner doing the photography/videography and often participating. Sandra Otterson (a.k.a. 'wifey') and her husband are legendary in this realm. I see modern-day webcam models as the obvious evolution of the old time polaroids scanned onto the newsgroups, later morphing into commercial web sites. Things are just easier now. As long as men continue to lust after women and images of them, such things will continue to evolve. Relationships will hopefully evolve as well. IMO, the only constant in life is change. How we deal with it is up to each of us.
Red Arremer Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Main takeaway from this thread: Stripping and prostitution are EXACTLY the same thing. EXACTLY. No differences at all.
Author Jazzari Posted May 20, 2011 Author Posted May 20, 2011 Let me guess. You already did something questionable and are seeking absolution through blaming the other guy.Huh? How in the world did you come up with that? So now you want to justify prostitution/stripping by using a man who watches porn as an example?This is not about justifying anything. I don't think the customer is to blame for the woman's choices. Good enough? It's just an honest question and nobody answered it. Do you think a man who watches porn is as morally bad as the woman who performs? If not, then why? Simple question. Stop reading into it and answer please.
Red Arremer Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Usually if one engages in stripping expect they are involved in the other. [citation needed]
JohnnyCage Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 This is not about justifying anything. I don't think the customer is to blame for the woman's choices. Good enough? It's just an honest question and nobody answered it. Do you think a man who watches porn is as morally bad as the woman who performs? If not, then why? Simple question. Stop reading into it and answer please. It is morally wrong to watch porn but then there are varying degrees of wrongs. And IMHO stripping for money is much more worse than watching porn. And it's not just the men who watch porn Its like saying that a man watching a crime being committed is as guilty as the one committing it.
Feelsgoodman Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 It's just an honest question and nobody answered it. Do you think a man who watches porn is as morally bad as the woman who performs? If not, then why? No, because the person watching does not denigrate himself.
Author Jazzari Posted May 20, 2011 Author Posted May 20, 2011 It is morally wrong to watch porn but then there are varying degrees of wrongs. And IMHO stripping for money is much more worse than watching porn. And it's not just the men who watch porn Its like saying that a man watching a crime being committed is as guilty as the one committing it.Interesting. Thanks for the answer. I agree there are degrees or wrongs. I'm not sure where I would put the men on that scale though. I have to give that more thought. It is typical human nature to blame everyone else for their "wrongs" and a woman doesn't consider selling herself unless she's already filthy. I don't mind that you aren't squeaky but don't lie about it to seem better than you are in others' eyes. These guys who are hot on your tail for considering cyber prostitution would be hot for your tail irl. They would want the whore even though they condemn her.Well, I don't know anyone who is squeaky, lol! But to give you some background, I was married for 18 years - never cheated and was head over heals in love with my husband. It was a great marriage. Unfortunately my husband died about a year ago in a car accident. I've since dated (and continue to be) with a grand total of 1 man. I've not posted pictures or porn of any type nor engaged in sex chats or anything else. Heck, I haven't even flirted online. BUT...yes, I considered the web modeling when I thought I had no options. Thankfully, it turns out that I don't need to go that route. So I'm not sqeaky, but I think calling me filthy is a little too much.
ladyinlimbo Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 No, because the person watching does not denigrate himself. Really? You mean the guy in the messy basement bedroom of his parent's home isn't denigrating himself by paying hard earned money to beat off to the carryings-on of some underaged (or close-to) dysfunctional young woman (someone's daughter, sister, cousin, niece, mother) as opposed to actually stepping away from his computer, getting out into the real world and meeting a real live woman, forming a friendship and relationship and then enjoying real pleasure that way? What about the sex addict who beats off multiple times a day to this stuff? What about the horny old 50 yr old who gets his rocks off by watching a girl young enough to be his daughter? (she's someone's daughter) What about the married guy who denigrates not only himself but his wife and his marriage? What about the guys who continue to pay for this 'stuff' thereby creating a demand whereby more dysfunctional young women get lured in by some creepy webcam site owner who promises them that all of the money they make will be the answer to their problems? If there were no customers, there would be no webcam girls but sex sells. These guys denigrate the very girls and women they sit there wacking off to.
Red Arremer Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 You know what's even worse than deviants, whores, w/e? People that force their own morality down everyone else's throats.
ladyinlimbo Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 You know what's even worse than deviants, whores, w/e? People that force their own morality down everyone else's throats. Ahh, I have to chuckle when I read such responses. As IF someone is trying to force any reader here to think as they do. Nobody's forcing anything, not even for you to read the viewpoints of those you don't agree with. Why so threatened?
perfectlyunique Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 For those who are strongly against webcam performers: How do you feel about those who visit those sites and pay the girls to perform? Or even those who surf free porn sites. Are they equally immoral? Is is bad for the mom to strip to support her son, but ok for the dad to surf porn sites just for kicks? its the men that keep the webcam thing going because they watch it. apparently its ok for men to watch such women, but the women who do it are whores, who have no respect for themselves most men i know of watch porn, really the only difference is that there on webcam and its live oh and they pay for it. they dont have to pay for it theres alot of free porn out there but its there choice to pay. actually most men who watch porn see the women as whores anyway they have no emotional feelings for them i dont get the big thing with webcam performers. why is it so wrong ?
Ross MwcFan Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 its the men that keep the webcam thing going because they watch it. apparently its ok for men to watch such women, but the women who do it are whores, who have no respect for themselves most men i know of watch porn, really the only difference is that there on webcam and its live oh and they pay for it. they dont have to pay for it theres alot of free porn out there but its there choice to pay. actually most men who watch porn see the women as whores anyway they have no emotional feelings for them i dont get the big thing with webcam performers. why is it so wrong ? There's nothing wrong with it. It's no different from porn.
perfectlyunique Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) There's nothing wrong with it. It's no different from porn. thanks, although according to most ppl its totally different. most porn sites that men look at make money in some way but i get slagged of for doing a webcam job. the women on the porn sites live a normal life have a bf etc etc its all fantasy Edited May 20, 2011 by perfectlyunique
Feelsgoodman Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Really? You mean the guy in the messy basement bedroom of his parent's home isn't denigrating himself by paying hard earned money to beat off to the carryings-on of some underaged (or close-to) dysfunctional young woman (someone's daughter, sister, cousin, niece, mother) as opposed to actually stepping away from his computer, getting out into the real world and meeting a real live woman, forming a friendship and relationship and then enjoying real pleasure that way? What about the sex addict who beats off multiple times a day to this stuff? What about the horny old 50 yr old who gets his rocks off by watching a girl young enough to be his daughter? (she's someone's daughter) What about the married guy who denigrates not only himself but his wife and his marriage? What about the guys who continue to pay for this 'stuff' thereby creating a demand whereby more dysfunctional young women get lured in by some creepy webcam site owner who promises them that all of the money they make will be the answer to their problems? If there were no customers, there would be no webcam girls but sex sells. These guys denigrate the very girls and women they sit there wacking off to. LOL, a lot of assumptions in there about dirty basements, etc. Even if all true, I do believe there is a major difference between satisfying your own perverted desires, in private, and satisfying someone else's perverted desires in front of an audience for money. So, no dice. There is simply no comparison between the user and provider of this type of "entertainment" in terms of personal denigration.
ladyinlimbo Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 There's nothing wrong with it. It's no different from porn. Would you say the same thing if that was your little sister on the cam or in the porn?
Ross MwcFan Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) Would you say the same thing if that was your little sister on the cam or in the porn? Yes, I would. Unless my little sister was under age. Now I'll take it that in your next post you'll insult me about how bad I am. Edited May 20, 2011 by Ross MwcFan
perfectlyunique Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 LOL, a lot of assumptions in there about dirty basements, etc. Even if all true, I do believe there is a major difference between satisfying your own perverted desires, in private, and satisfying someone else's perverted desires in front of an audience for money. So, no dice. There is simply no comparison between the user and provider of this type of "entertainment" in terms of personal denigration. women wouldn't do it if men didnt pay for it
ladyinlimbo Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Feelsgoodman wrote: "LOL, a lot of assumptions in there about dirty basements, etc. Even if all true, I do believe there is a major difference between satisfying your own perverted desires, in private, and satisfying someone else's perverted desires in front of an audience for money." You're not making a fair comparison here. You're comparing the guy satisfying his perverted desires in private, at a financial cost (who do you think is satisfying him?) to the woman who's publicly satisfying the perverted desires of many men, also at a financial cost. So what you're saying though is that the girl on the webcam is 'okay' but the stripper is 'not.' They're allowing themselves to be exploited in order to satisfy the perverted desires of men for a price.
perfectlyunique Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 people will argue till there blue in the face about this subject but men like porn. they will never stop watching it so webcaming jobs will carry on. if there so against it stop watching porn! women do these jobs because men are visually stimulated. tbh doing the job i felt like a piece of meat ..maybe someone else might like it i didnt. more than likely most of the men then have slated me have watched porn more than once in his life but think its ok to slag me off. but thats ok because its just fantasy.....crap there still real people
ladyinlimbo Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 women do these jobs because men are visually stimulated. That's some kind of justification for it? I'm sorry but only messed up, dysfunctional young women/women do this sort of thing to earn a living. And any partner of a woman who does this, who supports her doing it, is a sick phocker who is all about the money and not anything about loving or respecting his girlfriend and her integrity.
Red Arremer Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 That's some kind of justification for it? I'm sorry but only messed up, dysfunctional young women/women do this sort of thing to earn a living. And any partner of a woman who does this, who supports her doing it, is a sick phocker who is all about the money and not anything about loving or respecting his girlfriend and her integrity. But no, we're CERTAINLY not shoving our morality down anyone else's throats here.
Ross MwcFan Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 That's some kind of justification for it? I'm sorry but only messed up, dysfunctional young women/women do this sort of thing to earn a living. And any partner of a woman who does this, who supports her doing it, is a sick phocker who is all about the money and not anything about loving or respecting his girlfriend and her integrity. In your opinion.
Ross MwcFan Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 You know what's even worse than deviants, whores, w/e? People that force their own morality down everyone else's throats. God I hate those sorts of people.
Titania22 Posted May 21, 2011 Posted May 21, 2011 God I hate those sorts of people. Me too! Ten Characters
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