perfectlyunique Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Perfectlyunique, don't waste your time trying to 'defend' yourself against people whose viewpoint is already made up. Back to the original question: I forgot to say that not only would I support my gf if she was in this situation, but I would offer to hold the camera. thanks they can think what they like really every1s allowed an opinion, plus they dont know half of the story
JohnnyCage Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 i would never give up on my son because i love him, like i said we would have had to move back in with my mum which wasnt a good move as id have to share a room with my little boy and my brother was there also and he has mental health issues. i mean big ones. anyone can become a webcam performer as different people have different tastes. my body that great to be honest which is why i felt stupid sometimes doing it. but i earned some money and it kept us going as a family and personally there was nothing wrong with that. would people rather i sat back and watched us lose our house well sorry but thats stupid! i had an option and i went for it So the only option was to move back to your mum's house and do nothing. Well sorry but I think you have to fight for everything in this world. Hard work and dedication and a will to succeed are the most important things you need to be successful in this world. And you just didn't try enough. And you picked one option (easiest one with no morals and decency) among many. I knew a girl (my brother's friend) who lived in a different country and was going through a rough patch. She applied for a visit visa to the US and luckily she got it. And she came here to the US and worked in the malls everyday for 6 months before she had to go back. All this time she was without her kids. That is more respectable and dignified than shedding your clothes and doing something so immoral and downright cheap that even you admit you won't tell your son because it won't sit nice with him. Sorry but I think if you think this is a good option then you might go with prostitution tomorrow as it is also legal in many countries and it makes you a lot more money. Today it's no touching so it's ok. Tomorrow you will say there's no attachment and its still ok to be having sex and getting paid for it.
Feelsgoodman Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 that wouldnt cover it.we had got in debt already because my bfs job messed him about. we owed rent and owed some friends. now im in a different house have sorted all the debt and paid back the money i owe to everyone. ive never been back to that job, even though i still cant find work but my bf has a good job right now and we can manage People who can't afford t pay their debts declare bankruptcy. People who can't afford a house move into an apartment or move in with their relatives. Nothing wrong with that. It's telling that you thought that sharing a room with your son (I'm still scratching my head try to figure out what's wrong with that, other than minor inconvenience) would be worse than being a web cam model. As I suspected, this was never about "putting food on the table"; it was all about maintaining a lifestyle that you were accustomed to.
perfectlyunique Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 So the only option was to move back to your mum's house and do nothing. Well sorry but I think you have to fight for everything in this world. Hard work and dedication and a will to succeed are the most important things you need to be successful in this world. And you just didn't try enough. And you picked one option (easiest one with no morals and decency) among many. I knew a girl (my brother's friend) who lived in a different country and was going through a rough patch. She applied for a visit visa to the US and luckily she got it. And she came here to the US and worked in the malls everyday for 6 months before she had to go back. All this time she was without her kids. That is more respectable and dignified than shedding your clothes and doing something so immoral and downright cheap that even you admit you won't tell your son because it won't sit nice with him. Sorry but I think if you think this is a good option then you might go with prostitution tomorrow as it is also legal in many countries and it makes you a lot more money. Today it's no touching so it's ok. Tomorrow you will say there's no attachment and its still ok to be having sex and getting paid for it. actually i did try hard enough because i earned some money regardless why would my son want to know about it i mean really? he doesnt have to know the ins and outs of everything hes 6 and actually i have worked hard but still didnt get anywhere ive gained qualifications done courses and volunteered no end so dont tell me i havent worked hard enough
JohnnyCage Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 As I suspected, this was never about "putting food on the table"; it was all about maintaining a lifestyle that you were accustomed to. Yep it usually is.
perfectlyunique Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 People who can't afford t pay their debts declare bankruptcy. People who can't afford a house move into an apartment or move in with their relatives. Nothing wrong with that. It's telling that you thought that sharing a room with your son (I'm still scratching my head try to figure out what's wrong with that, other than minor inconvenience) would be worse than being a web cam model. As I suspected, this was never about "putting food on the table"; it was all about maintaining a lifestyle that you were accustomed to. actually we where struggling to find spare money to find food, i couldnt/ didnt want to move in with my mum which was the only other option because my brother has mental health problems like hes been in prison twice for arson, trying to kill himself and trying to kill my dad. thats not the sort of person i want to be living with.... sharing a room with your son isnt the best situation to be in really ive done it before. at least me doing the webcam job my son was safe and not in a house with my brother
JohnnyCage Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 actually i did try hard enough because i earned some money regardless why would my son want to know about it i mean really? he doesnt have to know the ins and outs of everything hes 6 and actually i have worked hard but still didnt get anywhere ive gained qualifications done courses and volunteered no end so dont tell me i havent worked hard enough Look I am not judging you. All I am saying is that you didn't go down the best road in this situation and you yourself admitted it being a mistake. So think of it as one and move on and don't try to defend that it was nothing wrong. You agree it was a mistake and I think you should just leave it be.
oaks Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 thanks they can think what they like really every1s allowed an opinion, plus they dont know half of the story Absolutely. Just let them have their opinion.
perfectlyunique Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Look I am not judging you. All I am saying is that you didn't go down the best road in this situation and you yourself admitted it being a mistake. So think of it as one and move on and don't try to defend that it was nothing wrong. You agree it was a mistake and I think you should just leave it be. just annoys me that people seem to think im some sort of cheap s**t because i did what i did. i earned some money doing webcam work so what. im in a better situation now and we dont struggle for food or money for bills and now i dont have to move in with my mum who has mental health issues too and also my brother.
Feelsgoodman Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 actually we where struggling to find spare money to find food, i couldnt/ didnt want to move in with my mum which was the only other option because my brother has mental health problems like hes been in prison twice for arson, trying to kill himself and trying to kill my dad. thats not the sort of person i want to be living with.... sharing a room with your son isnt the best situation to be in really ive done it before. at least me doing the webcam job my son was safe and not in a house with my brother Then you could have moved into a cheaper apartment. Look, I'm not trying to be an @sshole, but your excuses are rather pathetic. I grew up in a country that is significantly poorer than the UK and I've seen what it's like when people are REALLY struggling to make ends meet. When I was your son's age, I was sharing a room not only with my mom but my dad as well. I suppose it wasn't "the best situation", as you put, but it was still a hell of a lot better than having my mom turn to stripping or prostitution. That's why I have a hard time feeling sympathy for entitled women from rich countries who claim to be in "dire straits" because they have to make some minor cut backs to the comfortable lifestyle that they are used to.
perfectlyunique Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Then you could have moved into a cheaper apartment. Look, I'm not trying to be an @sshole, but your excuses are rather pathetic. I grew up in a country that is significantly poorer than the UK and I've seen what it's like when people are REALLY struggling to make ends meet. When I was your son's age, I was sharing a room not only with my mom but my dad as well. I suppose it wasn't "the best situation", as you put, but it was still a hell of a lot better than having my mom turn to stripping or prostitution. That's why I have a hard time feeling sympathy for entitled women from rich countries who claim to be in "desperate straights" because they have to make some minor cut backs to the comfortable lifestyle that they are used to. i dont believe my excuses to be pathetic as i said my brother had major issues and still does and also my mum has now gone abit nutty and done some very bad things. lets just leave it you have your opinion and i have mine theres no point in bickering about it it will just go round in circles
ladyinlimbo Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 and I was talking about those men being pressured into their marriages thus explaining their extracurricular behavior. Pressured into marriage? LMFAO! Short of walking down the aisle at gunpoint, nobody can be truly pressured into marriage. You either want to marry the woman or you don't..........and if you DO marry her but didn't really want to, deep down in your heart, well then you're the one with the issues for doing something so significant when you really didn't want to.
Minnie09 Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Being a prostitute is also a job, as prostitution is legal in many countries. Would you say that there is nothing wrong with being a prostitute? Well, no, it's legal. And TBH, it's a more "honest" profession than the stripper business in the US, where prostitution is illegal, and therefore prostitution happens behind closed doors. If it is legal, it is controlled, ie regular health checks are mandatory, using condoms is mandatory, following rules is mandatory. In a stripper joint the same things happen, if the customer pays enough money, but without condoms, without health check-ups. What is the more honorable business, as far as safety and STDs are concerned? Honest prostitution and web-camming for sure don't transmit as many diseases as does the stripper business.
Jynxx Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 When he grows up and you tell him that you were a webcam performer and tell him that you did it for him do you think he would come running to you and hug you and give you a big kiss? I don't think so. What if she did get a job at mc donalds. If her son grew up and she had to say she helped serve unhealthy crap to obese people, many of them regulars that saw their life expectancy decrease signifficantly due to the huge imput of fat that she put before their noses, and she said she did it for him, do you think the kid would come running to her and give her a hug and a big kiss? Seriously, I still fail to see why being on a webcam is worse than any other job. You're not hurting anyone, you don't have sex with anyone, you have very little negative impact on anyones life. You guys should explain why you think it's not a good job, and please, stop the use of Godwins law, misquotes of Fight Club and personal attacks. Thank you
perfectlyunique Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 What if she did get a job at mc donalds. If her son grew up and she had to say she helped serve unhealthy crap to obese people, many of them regulars that saw their life expectancy decrease signifficantly due to the huge imput of fat that she put before their noses, and she said she did it for him, do you think the kid would come running to her and give her a hug and a big kiss? Seriously, I still fail to see why being on a webcam is worse than any other job. You're not hurting anyone, you don't have sex with anyone, you have very little negative impact on anyones life. You guys should explain why you think it's not a good job, and please, stop the use of Godwins law, misquotes of Fight Club and personal attacks. Thank you thankyou
ladyinlimbo Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) What if she did get a job at mc donalds. If her son grew up and she had to say she helped serve unhealthy crap to obese people, many of them regulars that saw their life expectancy decrease signifficantly due to the huge imput of fat that she put before their noses, and she said she did it for him, do you think the kid would come running to her and give her a hug and a big kiss? Seriously, I still fail to see why being on a webcam is worse than any other job. You're not hurting anyone, you don't have sex with anyone, you have very little negative impact on anyones life. You guys should explain why you think it's not a good job, and please, stop the use of Godwins law, misquotes of Fight Club and personal attacks. Thank you The need to eat is a basic need to sustain life. The need to sit there at your computer and beat off to watching someone's daughter, sister, mother being so desperate for money that she'll "sell herself" that way is not a life-sustaining need. I watched a documentary not long ago on young women who get into this kind of thing and it was really very sad. Many of them do this to support a drug habit. Many were sexually abused as children by fathers, brothers, uncles and understandably have a deep seated-hatred now toward men and they feel that doing this is there way of getting back some control (but it isn't). Many have such low self esteem and sense of self worth that they really don't believe they have anything of value or worth, other than their bodies......and why that's sad shouldn't have to be explained. Many are underage girls who lie about their age. Many who do this, even though they're not hooking on the streets, they're still in a very dysfunctional and abusive "pimp" type situation where they're only further beat down mentally/psychologically/emotionally and further exploited. Many finally get out of this racket, only to be even further scarred emotionally......with even more unhealthy views on sex, men, relationships, what they have to offer the world. I'm doubtful, too, that a woman in this avenue of the sex trade, feels any real sense of pride or accomplishment from knowing she helped to 'get off' some horny old married man old enough to be her father or grandfather. Edited May 20, 2011 by ladyinlimbo
Jynxx Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 The need to eat is a basic need to sustain life. The need to sit there at your computer and beat off to watching someone's daughter, sister, mother being so desperate for money that she'll "sell herself" that way is not a life-sustaining need. True, but I'm pretty sure surviving on 3 meals per week would be healthier than stuffing macdonalds down your throat every day. That said, something tells me you're not looking down on everyone who's not working in an industry that provides basic human needs, so you once again failed to tell me what exactly is wrong with people sitting before a webcam. I watched a documentary not long ago on young women who get into this kind of thing and it was really very sad. Many of them do this to support a drug habit. Many were sexually abused as children by fathers, brothers, uncles and understandably have a deep seated-hatred now toward men and they feel that doing this is there way of getting back some control (but it isn't). Many have such low self esteem and sense of self worth that they really don't believe they have anything of value or worth, other than their bodies......and why that's sad shouldn't have to be explained. Many are underage girls who lie about their age. Many who do this, even though they're not hooking on the streets, they're still in a very dysfunctional and abusive "pimp" type situation where they're only further beat down mentally/psychologically/emotionally and further exploited. Many finally get out of this racket, only to be even further scarred emotionally......with even more unhealthy views on sex, men, relationships, what they have to offer the world. While I don't disagree with what you said, the reason being I don't have data about this and you didn't provide a reliable source, how is this relevant? If some job attracts unhealthy, unstable personalities, does that make the job itself bad? If dysfunctional and people with emotional difficulties for some reason all wanted to become doctors, does that mean that profession should be looked down upon too? I'm doubtful, too, that a woman in this avenue of the sex trade, feels any real sense of pride or accomplishment from knowing she helped to 'get off' some horny old married man old enough to be her father or grandfather. I'm doubtful that someone serving fries that taste like cardboard and burgers that damage peoples health to overweight people has accomplished anything to be proud of. Hell, I'm doubtfull most people working any ****ty 9-5 have accomplished something to be proud of.
JohnnyCage Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 What if she did get a job at mc donalds. If her son grew up and she had to say she helped serve unhealthy crap to obese people, many of them regulars that saw their life expectancy decrease signifficantly due to the huge imput of fat that she put before their noses, and she said she did it for him, do you think the kid would come running to her and give her a hug and a big kiss? Seriously, I still fail to see why being on a webcam is worse than any other job. You're not hurting anyone, you don't have sex with anyone, you have very little negative impact on anyones life. You guys should explain why you think it's not a good job, and please, stop the use of Godwins law, misquotes of Fight Club and personal attacks. Thank you The need to eat is a basic need to sustain life. The need to sit there at your computer and beat off to watching someone's daughter, sister, mother being so desperate for money that she'll "sell herself" that way is not a life-sustaining need. I watched a documentary not long ago on young women who get into this kind of thing and it was really very sad. Many of them do this to support a drug habit. Many were sexually abused as children by fathers, brothers, uncles and understandably have a deep seated-hatred now toward men and they feel that doing this is there way of getting back some control (but it isn't). Many have such low self esteem and sense of self worth that they really don't believe they have anything of value or worth, other than their bodies......and why that's sad shouldn't have to be explained. Many are underage girls who lie about their age. Many who do this, even though they're not hooking on the streets, they're still in a very dysfunctional and abusive "pimp" type situation where they're only further beat down mentally/psychologically/emotionally and further exploited. Many finally get out of this racket, only to be even further scarred emotionally......with even more unhealthy views on sex, men, relationships, what they have to offer the world. I'm doubtful, too, that a woman in this avenue of the sex trade, feels any real sense of pride or accomplishment from knowing she helped to 'get off' some horny old married man old enough to be her father or grandfather. Did this answer your question? Seriously you are comparing eating to stripping/prostitution?
Jynxx Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Seriously you are comparing eating to stripping/prostitution? Not really. I'm comparing a ****ty job that harms society to stripping in front of a webcam, I'm not defending prostituation.
JohnnyCage Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Not really. I'm comparing a ****ty job that harms society to stripping in front of a webcam, I'm not defending prostituation. Well in that case if she was not working at McDonalds but another restaurant where the food quality is great and a couple of obese folks stop by everyday and eat like gluttons. What do you think she should do? Stop serving them? What other people do is their choice. What you do is your choice. If someone commits a murder somewhere you don't get jailed for that? So if people choose to eat the crappy McDonalds fatty food it's their choice totally. And when the lady in discussion chose to strip for money it was her choice totally.
Jynxx Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 What other people do is their choice. What you do is your choice. ... And when the lady in discussion chose to strip for money it was her choice totally. Exactly my point. Yet you and a few others get on your high horse and tell the lady she should be able to find another job, and refer to jobs that harm society (not that I think there's anything wrong with those) as better alternatives than the job that is neutral to society. And all the while still failing to tell me why exactly being in front of a webcam teasing and entertaining people is even considered not a normal job.
Author Jazzari Posted May 20, 2011 Author Posted May 20, 2011 For those who are strongly against webcam performers: How do you feel about those who visit those sites and pay the girls to perform? Or even those who surf free porn sites. Are they equally immoral? Is is bad for the mom to strip to support her son, but ok for the dad to surf porn sites just for kicks?
JohnnyCage Posted May 20, 2011 Posted May 20, 2011 Exactly my point. Yet you and a few others get on your high horse and tell the lady she should be able to find another job, and refer to jobs that harm society (not that I think there's anything wrong with those) as better alternatives than the job that is neutral to society. And all the while still failing to tell me why exactly being in front of a webcam teasing and entertaining people is even considered not a normal job. You got it all wrong. The OP asked us if we as men would date such women who strip for money. And what we are saying is our opinion and nothing else. I am not going to be forcing her or for that matter you or anyone else to not strip or do something you want to. And what is wrong in stripping on a webcam? Many things I would say. Only women with low self esteem and who think of themselves as worthless and who are not fit to do anything but use their bodies to let some men jack off while they make quick money usually do it.
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