Men Find Frugal Women Sexy, Study Says

May 19, 2011

Charging men for the beauty care you use is just stupid. Being beautiful is for your own benefit.

I agree. That whole argument about men somehow being required to "compensate" women for their beautification expenses is ridiculous to the absurd. Women spend money on beauty products because they like feeling beautiful. That's why you see taken women dressing to the nines for a girls night out and elderly ladies spending $100 at a hair salon.

May 19, 2011

I agree. That whole argument about men somehow being required to "compensate" women for their beautification expenses is ridiculous to the absurd. Women spend money on beauty products because they like feeling beautiful. That's why you see taken women dressing to the nines for a girls night out and elderly ladies spending $100 at a hair salon.

That wasn't my argument at all, fortunately. I simply said that a frugal woman is less likely to be a stereotypically-hot woman for the very reason that spending large amounts of $$ on beautification is completely contradictory to frugality, and thus guys cannot expect to have their cake and eat it too, ie have a woman who looks like Megan Fox and is still frugal. No one said anything about compensation.

May 19, 2011

I agree. That whole argument about men somehow being required to "compensate" women for their beautification expenses is ridiculous to the absurd. Women spend money on beauty products because they like feeling beautiful. That's why you see taken women dressing to the nines for a girls night out and elderly ladies spending $100 at a hair salon.

I agree that being compensated is ridiculous.

But I disagree that spending money on beauty products is not for the man's benefit. In the past, I never wore makeup or jewelry. My hair was fine in a ponytail and I wore my son's handmedown shirts and an old pair of jeans most of the time. But now that I'm dating, I've had to completely change. I'm sure as heck not doing it for me or other women that's for sure.

When I'm not with my guy, I'm back to clean face, ponytail and scrubby jeans. I only get dressed up for him. Nobody else. It's a pain in the tushy, but the look in his eyes when he sees me makes it worthwhile.

May 19, 2011

I like the premise of this thread, but not really where it's gone, which is predictable. My BF and I live together and we both prefer to live within our means. He's generous and likes to pick up the tab when we go out, but sometimes I get to beat him to the punch and take care of it myself. We take turns paying for groceries and our favored method of contraception (condoms). I remain conscious of the places we go to and what I order to eat and/or put in our shopping cart. Other than notable special occasion gifts, there are once-in-awhile surprises that are kept cheap--usually a cute little card.

May 19, 2011

Eh, what women imitate usually sells well to the majority of the male population, which is why they're imitating it in the first place.

Eh, what women imitate usually sells well to the majority of the FE-male population, which is why they're imitating it in the first place.

Fixed.

Enough with the "we do it for men" BS. Just fess up and admit you spend the money for 1) pampering yourselves, and 2) competing with other women for competition, not men's sake.

Dressing, orienting one's life rather, for the purpose of attracting men would be the very essence of frugality. Gym memberships are dirt cheap, $20-50 a month. and men respond 1000% better to the things you earn in the gym than... straightened hair.

The fact that on any given weekend day, you will find 10x the number of women in shopping malls as in gyms speaks to -exactly- how much (or little) of what women do is for men's sake in this country.

May 19, 2011

That wasn't my argument at all, fortunately. I simply said that a frugal woman is less likely to be a stereotypically-hot woman for the very reason that spending large amounts of $$ on beautification is completely contradictory to frugality, and thus guys cannot expect to have their cake and eat it too, ie have a woman who looks like Megan Fox and is still frugal. No one said anything about compensation.

I hope you're not suggesting that the difference between Megan Fox and the average American Woman is in the makeup .

And yes, there are women out there who look great without spending ridiculous amounts of money on cosmetics, plastic surgery, etc. It's called good genes and healthy lifestyle.

May 19, 2011

I hope you're not suggesting that the difference between Megan Fox and the average American Woman is in the makeup .

And yes, there are women out there who look great without spending ridiculous amounts of money on cosmetics, plastic surgery, etc. It's called good genes and healthy lifestyle.

Uh, no. There is no correlation between the model-hot girls that the stereotypical male drools over, and good health. Often, those girls screw their own health over even by getting lip fillers, breast implants, unhealthy diets and wearing killer heels.

Genes, well, that's a hand we're all dealt at birth. Can't tell someone to improve her genes.

Megan Fox without all the beauty doo-dads would look amazingly normal. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DYStbEWApPs/TBaRKwtiPCI/AAAAAAAAAC8/ZNfDgc_aFwE/s1600/Megan-Fox-school-photo-1.jpg

May 19, 2011

Eh, what women imitate usually sells well to the majority of the FE-male population, which is why they're imitating it in the first place.

Fixed.

Enough with the "we do it for men" BS. Just fess up and admit you spend the money for 1) pampering yourselves, and 2) competing with other women for competition, not men's sake.

Dressing, orienting one's life rather, for the purpose of attracting men would be the very essence of frugality. Gym memberships are dirt cheap, $20-50 a month. and men respond 1000% better to the things you earn in the gym than... straightened hair.

The fact that on any given weekend day, you will find 10x the number of women in shopping malls as in gyms speaks to -exactly- how much (or little) of what women do is for men's sake in this country.

I don't spend the money, and my weight is in the healthy range. And it is precisely because I don't spend the money that I can see the gross difference in my expenditure and that of other young women's. That hasn't exactly gotten the average male running across the room to me, though; if anything, my frugality has possibly made me less popular with the average male compared to if I actually spent the money on those things which you say don't matter. I tried it before for a bit, you know. Paying for hairstyling, good clothes, heels, etc... and whaddya know, I started getting more attention from the average male.

I just don't find the attention from the average male worth the extra $200/month. Fortunately, I have a wonderful guy who agrees with and supports my frugality.

May 19, 2011

Some men may find frugal women attractive...but others find even more attractive a woman who spends what she wants because she independently can afford to do so.

May 19, 2011

Some men may find frugal women attractive...but others find even more attractive a woman who spends what she wants because she independently can afford to do so.

Yes and no....I do find an independent woman attractive. However, I know many an "independent woman" with salaries over $60k that do not have dime to their name. I assume that if we were to enter a serious relationship she would simply spend all my money as well and that is unattractive to me. I prefer an independent woman with good fiscal sense as I consider myself an independent man with good fiscal sense.

May 19, 2011

That wasn't my argument at all, fortunately. I simply said that a frugal woman is less likely to be a stereotypically-hot woman for the very reason that spending large amounts of $$ on beautification is completely contradictory to frugality, and thus guys cannot expect to have their cake and eat it too, ie have a woman who looks like Megan Fox and is still frugal. No one said anything about compensation.

Except Plain Janes do not feel any less entitled than Megan Foxes because at the end of the day its a woman thing to feel entitled under the excuse of romance. Women dont suddenly not want to be paid for just because they less beautiful than other women. Being considerate is a character. It has little correlation with physical beauty.

I don't spend the money, and my weight is in the healthy range. And it is precisely because I don't spend the money that I can see the gross difference in my expenditure and that of other young women's. That hasn't exactly gotten the average male running across the room to me, though; if anything, my frugality has possibly made me less popular with the average male compared to if I actually spent the money on those things which you say don't matter. I tried it before for a bit, you know. Paying for hairstyling, good clothes, heels, etc... and whaddya know, I started getting more attention from the average male.

I could say that I care about my looks more than most guys. I dont spend beyond my means, but I do spend quite a bit on personal care products and clothing. Of course as a result I get a lot more attention than other guys who groom themselves less. However, never in my wildest dream that I ever thought that women somehow owe me for the expense I spend on my looks. I mean that logic is just nuts! It doesnt matter how much I spend on my own looks, but at the end of the day Im still gonna be the one expected to pay for the woman. Thats just the fact. Whether you are a male model or a fat old man. You pay. That is what society dictates. I always pay but I hate that expectation.

Some men may find frugal women attractive...but others find even more attractive a woman who spends what she wants because she independently can afford to do so.

You sound like a spendthrift who is justifying your behavior.

Self-made independent women usually do have good care of their money. The spendthrifts are usually the ones who have a lot of money from the dad, the husband or ... the ex-husband. In other words, other people's money.

May 19, 2011

I have always been saying this and just like most men I agree with it. Men dont necessarily want women to split the bill on dates. Its just that we want women who show that they care about our spending and want us to save instead of judging our interest in them by how much we spend on them.

Anyway, its interesting that women would rather give up on sex than chocolate.

OP, I'm confused. Is this whole thread about you being pissed about being 'made to pay for women'.. or is it about frugal women being attractive? Frugality in a woman has nothing to do with whether or not she 'makes' you pay for her.

And you are really 'made to pay for women' EXACTLY as much as women are 'made to spend on beauty products for men', which is really not at all, according to the posters on this thread... why the double standard? Basically, you claim that women themselves choose whether or not they wish to spend on beauty, which is true, but some of them do so because it attracts men. On the other side of the coin, you can also choose whether or not you wish to pay for a woman, but you choose to do so because it attracts women. Are you not accountable for your choices, just as those women are?

You have also admitted that you received more attention than less-groomed men by spending more money than the average man on your looks. Excellent. So you agree that a woman is likely to receive more attention than less-groomed women by spending more money than the average woman on her looks. Now, we reach the inherent difference between the two scenarios, in that while she is competing with all the other 'average women' and you with all the other 'average men', the average woman typically spends at least double what the average man spends on beauty. Thus, $100 a month could probably make you above average, while the woman would need to spend probably upwards of $300 to achieve the same effect, in relation. Come now, surely it isn't too difficult to understand the logistics.

I find it hilarious how you immediately assume that wealthy spendthrift women inherit it from their husband or father. Wasn't it you going on about the fact that women get paid as much as or more than men nowadays, which makes the payment thing unfair? Why is it inconceivable that a spendthrift woman is spending her own money then? That doesn't make her any less of a spendthrift, but it doesn't necessarily mean she's leeching, any more so than a spendthrift man would be leeching off his wife.

Edited May 19, 2011 by Elswyth

May 20, 2011

Yes and no....I do find an independent woman attractive. However, I know many an "independent woman" with salaries over $60k that do not have dime to their name. I assume that if we were to enter a serious relationship she would simply spend all my money as well and that is unattractive to me. I prefer an independent woman with good fiscal sense as I consider myself an independent man with good fiscal sense.

Yes, you are right. I earn more than many of the men I know, more than I did years ago. But its all relative, I still need "fiscal" supervision. Fortunately, I acknowledged it and got it. I'm in decent financial shape..but left to my own habits, I'd be broke.

May 20, 2011

Back to the original post... I question the the method of sampling the population for the 1000 American in this study. My first thought was "I wonder if they were surveying people in shopping malls for this...." Which would leave people like myself out, because I avoid the mall like the plague. I also wonder how the questions were worded. The results just seem so stereotypical, and it's very easy to set a up a survey and poll people in locations to get the results you expect.

Women giving up sex before chocolate if it meant reducing debt? Doesn't really make sense as a question, since prostitution isn't legal in the USA, and lack of sex isn't going to reduce debt for most Americans anyway.

I'm guessing too many women are having bad sex. Good sex is better than chocolate. Bad sex on the other hand.... well, as Billy Joel said it best:

"There's nothing better than good sex. But bad sex? A peanut butter and jelly sandwich is better than bad sex."

May 20, 2011

And you are really 'made to pay for women' EXACTLY as much as women are 'made to spend on beauty products for men', which is really not at all, according to the posters on this thread... why the double standard? Basically, you claim that women themselves choose whether or not they wish to spend on beauty, which is true, but some of them do so because it attracts men. On the other side of the coin, you can also choose whether or not you wish to pay for a woman, but you choose to do so because it attracts women. Are you not accountable for your choices, just as those women are?

You have also admitted that you received more attention than less-groomed men by spending more money than the average man on your looks. Excellent. So you agree that a woman is likely to receive more attention than less-groomed women by spending more money than the average woman on her looks. Now, we reach the inherent difference between the two scenarios, in that while she is competing with all the other 'average women' and you with all the other 'average men', the average woman typically spends at least double what the average man spends on beauty. Thus, $100 a month could probably make you above average, while the woman would need to spend probably upwards of $300 to achieve the same effect, in relation. Come now, surely it isn't too difficult to understand the logistics.

My point was just I'm astounded by women who justify themselves expecting to be paid for by men because they somehow want their beauty expenses reimbursed. Honestly I didn't even know women think like this before I came to this forum.

As I said, I take very good care of myself. I mean I bet not many men spend money on facial mask like I do (btw boys, face mask make a big difference for your skin), but never ever I thought that women owe me for looking good. That's just idiotic. The fact that I feel attractive and I get extra attention alone is enough for me to consider it money well spent.

Also, beauty care can only do so much. You aren't going to be more beautiful as you spend more. If you are ugly you are ugly even if youapply tons of make up. Believe it or not even guys notice this.

May 20, 2011

There isn't anything that turns me on more than seeing a woman dumpster diving to save some pennies.

May 20, 2011

We take turns paying for groceries and our favored method of contraception (condoms).

Well good thing because with the money you save, you'll be able to afford the unplanned pregnancy! (condoms are so not a really reliable form of birth control)

May 20, 2011

Alright. I skimmed, I admit it. But a few things:

1) You can (at least you COULD) get 100% free and reliable birthcontrol from planned parenthood. Try getting a $400 IUD for free - it's more effective than getting your tubes tied and reversible.

2) It's entirely possible to have a sexy and professional wardrobe purchased from Goodwill. All that's required to make this classy are a few good quality neutral-colored heels and boots to go with it (and matching good-quality handbags).

3) You also don't have to spend a fortune on grooming. Go to a freaking Riteaid or Walgreens - there you will find cosmetics and skin/hair care items for under $10 each. Skin makeup, it pays to get quality - but a $7 mascara vs. a $30 one? PFT.

May 21, 2011

Well good thing because with the money you save, you'll be able to afford the unplanned pregnancy! (condoms are so not a really reliable form of birth control)

I thought condom was more reliable than birth control.

Back to the original post... I question the the method of sampling the population for the 1000 American in this study.

As far as I know, 1000 is the minimum standard sample size.

Women giving up sex before chocolate if it meant reducing debt? Doesn't really make sense as a question, since prostitution isn't legal in the USA, and lack of sex isn't going to reduce debt for most Americans anyway.

Its a hypothetical question. Its like when someone asks you, "Would you give up sex for a year in exchange for a ferrari?" Edited May 21, 2011 by musemaj11

May 21, 2011

I have to say, you're my type of man.

My experience with buying beauty is that it has never worked for me personally. I will admit that there are those who buy all the extras to adhere to the mainstream ideal of beauty and do it well. But I was never comfortable with "blending," and the year I accepted this was the year I started attracting men in larger doses. I remember one night out after I had stopped chemically straightening my hair and happened to wear my glasses instead of contacts and had guys flirting with me nonstop.

On the topic at hand, I do value frugality in people (or as I like to call it, resourcefulness). I like people who know how to look well put together for less money, or who know how to have a great time without spending too much. People say I am a lot like my dad because we are both averse to spending money. I wouldn't mind it if any future interest of mine were resourceful. If that money you don't spend on clothes is going into something like a house or future schooling or something, then keep buying those clothes on sale!

My experience with buying beauty is that it has never worked for me personally. I will admit that there are those who buy all the extras to adhere to the mainstream ideal of beauty and do it well. But I was never comfortable with "blending," and the year I accepted this was the year I started attracting men in larger doses. I remember one night out after I had stopped chemically straightening my hair and happened to wear my glasses instead of contacts and had guys flirting with me nonstop.

On the topic at hand, I do value frugality in people (or as I like to call it, resourcefulness). I like people who know how to look well put together for less money, or who know how to have a great time without spending too much. People say I am a lot like my dad because we are both averse to spending money. I wouldn't mind it if any future interest of mine were resourceful. If that money you don't spend on clothes is going into something like a house or future schooling or something, then keep buying those clothes on sale!

Uhhh...is this a new form of spam? Why did you just copy my post word for word? Confused...

May 21, 2011

My point was just I'm astounded by women who justify themselves expecting to be paid for by men because they somehow want their beauty expenses reimbursed. Honestly I didn't even know women think like this before I came to this forum.

As I said, I take very good care of myself. I mean I bet not many men spend money on facial mask like I do (btw boys, face mask make a big difference for your skin), but never ever I thought that women owe me for looking good. That's just idiotic. The fact that I feel attractive and I get extra attention alone is enough for me to consider it money well spent.

Also, beauty care can only do so much. You aren't going to be more beautiful as you spend more. If you are ugly you are ugly even if youapply tons of make up. Believe it or not even guys notice this.

Your point is completely unrelated to your original premise, then. And I agree with you that it's silly to 'expect' one's partner to pay for them. But I also think it's silly to actually pay and then whine about it, and as long as there are guys doing that, I'll continue to think them hypocritical for expecting a woman to have nice nails, bikini waxes, etc while complaining about being made (which they weren't) to pay for a coffee.

May 21, 2011

Your point is completely unrelated to your original premise, then. And I agree with you that it's silly to 'expect' one's partner to pay for them. But I also think it's silly to actually pay and then whine about it, and as long as there are guys doing that, I'll continue to think them hypocritical for expecting a woman to have nice nails, bikini waxes, etc while complaining about being made (which they weren't) to pay for a coffee.

I would rather have a woman reject me because she doesn't find me attractive enough compared to herself than being rejected because I won't pay for her 'service'. I hate being expected to pay simply because it makes me feel that my time is worth less and she is less interested in me than I am in her. It has absolutely zero to do with money.

May 21, 2011

Anyone notice the fugly looking girl with the unibrow and messed up teeth that Els posted? I'm sorry, but I regardless of where I go, I NEVER see a girl that looks anything like that person you posted. That's a real extreme.. In my opinion, most well-kept (bathes, grooms herself, not morbidly obese) women are just as good looking as Fox if not wayyy better. Am I crazy for thinking that Megan Fox isn't really particularly special looking? She looks like the girl next door. She has no striking features, she's bland. Certainly attractive, but nothing I'd gawk at.

Megan Fox (and most "average" women) wouldn't look that bad if they were beaten with an ugly stick..

It's all subjective, which is why spending 300$ on beauty products is irrelevant. There is no universal idea of beauty, although it'd help to shave your unibrow and not have missing or really crooked teeth.

What kind of guys are you looking to attract, anyway?

May 21, 2011

Anyone notice the fugly looking girl with the unibrow and messed up teeth that Els posted? I'm sorry, but I regardless of where I go, I NEVER see a girl that looks anything like that person you posted. That's a real extreme.. In my opinion, most well-kept (bathes, grooms herself, not morbidly obese) women are just as good looking as Fox if not wayyy better. Am I crazy for thinking that Megan Fox isn't really particularly special looking? She looks like the girl next door. She has no striking features, she's bland. Certainly attractive, but nothing I'd gawk at.

Megan Fox (and most "average" women) wouldn't look that bad if they were beaten with an ugly stick..

It's all subjective, which is why spending 300$ on beauty products is irrelevant. There is no universal idea of beauty, although it'd help to shave your unibrow and not have missing or really crooked teeth.

What kind of guys are you looking to attract, anyway?

That picture is supposedly Megan Fox in her early days when she was still a schoolgirl and had had no beauty work done on her.

May 21, 2011

What kind of guys are you looking to attract, anyway?

This isn't about me. Despite not being willing to spend on beauty products, I have actually had little trouble getting the guys I wanted. Probably a geek-girl attraction thing.

This is about the fact that some guys complain about being made to pay for a girl who expects them to do so, but then expect the girl to spend money on beauty upkeep, which is inevitably more than they would spend for the same relational effect... and say the girl has no right to say she was made to do so! And no, OP, just because YOU prefer it a certain way does not make it any less a hypocritical double standard.

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