lino Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 The guys who aren't like this, you either ignore or call friends. There are many men in society who don't purely objectify women.
Ross MwcFan Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 It's because men like this (and yourself, sorry) are completely oblivious to this amazing aspect of sexuality and it ultimately undermines their respect for women as a whole. MOST men (I'm implying not all men are like this) aren't even aware of how much greater sex is when they've grown to know, care for and trust the woman they're having sex with. This intimacy is really what allows for the "magic" to happen in the bedroom. I'm saying this as a guy. I can see a hot chick walking down the street and think she'd be doable, but I also know the sex just wouldn't be as good. If I got to know her, like her and get comfortable her as a person before having sex then I'd know there's tons more potential there for mind boggling, passionate sex. And what makes you think we're oblivious? I never said that we don't think sex would be even better if we got to know them as a person and really liked them as a person.
MarlyStar Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 Why are women objectified? It's because the only story of a woman that really exists in mass media is of a sex object. Look at everything that uses women for advertising, their always attractive and often scantily clad. You never rarely see things about women that only feature their talents, or personality. If it does it's ALWAYS underlined by her being sexy and attractive . But that's only one way to get information about what women are, and not really an important way. The more influential ways of understanding females are your mother, sister, colleagues, friends. You have earlier, longer and more intense exposure to that experience of womanhood.
Disillusioned Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 And flat out objectify them? I just invested my emotions into an a-hole(he's 24) who wanted to get with nearly every girl in sight and then go brag about it. And a bunch of other issues that just disgust me that I don't want to type up. It really makes me feel pessimistic about the male gender. I've also seen first handed how the guys around me treat women. I really don't want to sound so negative but it's hard not to at times. Relax, the guy is probably a Homo estupidus and can't help it. You need to find a Homo sapiens.
phineas Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) If a guy wants to sexting he probably is a perv and is only interested in sex. If doesn't respect your decision to wait for a little while for sex he probably is only interested in sex and not a relationship. If a guy makes comments like you are the sexiest girl I have ever met he probably only wants to get into your pants and uses that line alot. If a guy never compliments you on your face or anything else but your boobs and butt he probably only wants sex or is a perv. Also if a guy uses the line short-term, long-term dating activity partners and casual sex on his dating website he probably is a player and not interested in a relationship also keyword Available he probably is sleeping around I hate to say this, but you are in the minority. I can promise you, 90% of the women out there will lose interest in a man & move onto the next one if he isn't trying to get in her pants on the first date. Also, going for sex asap is THE ONLY way a man can determine if a woman is really interested in him or an attention whore. sorry, but that is just the way it is. Now, there is a difference between flirty & perverted. However a lot of women i've met like sexting right away or that kind of talk. also, sex does not equal relationship these days either. The majority of women out there will sleep with a man they are just dating. It doesn't always have to be serious, just respectful. Op, I can see where you are coming from, but when women stop using false promises or insinuations of sex to lead men on & men start learning to ignore such women things are only going to get worse. Edited May 15, 2011 by phineas
Ross MwcFan Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 When guys don't act sexual with women, and treat them more like virginal princesses, women get turned off and dump them. These are what are considered as the 'nice guys'. Women want a guy who's going to throw them up against the wall or onto the bed, and give them a good seeing too. Sorry women, but you know it, and I know it.
thatone Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 This is even more disturbing: In July, an American female college student lost a court case against the makers of a trashy reality show, Girls Gone Wild. She was videotaped dancing in a bar and when asked to remove her top, she repeatedly refused. So someone else removed it for her. Despite clearly saying ''no'' on camera, the jury decided the fact that she was at the bar meant she gave "implied consent". What is causing this erosion of women's rights is no mystery. It is, in fact, blatantly obvious. The cause is the way men view women - specifically, their abject and widespread failure to separate women from sex. Women are told to cover up to avoid the gaze of men. Warned that the mere sight of their skin can cause uncontrollable desire, for which the man cannot be blamed, they are not to walk alone at night, not drink too much, not stay out too late, not be in the company of men to whom they are not related. The message is clear: should you fail to heed these warnings, whatever happens to you is your fault. And the punishment is severe. Women's freedom is constricted, they are denied education, jobs, respect, and even killed because far too many men view them primarily as sexual objects. Whether that object is concealed beneath a burqa or exposed before a camera, the reason is the same - she is the physical embodiment of sex and, as such, is not worthy of a life independent of it. And herein lies the ultimate paradox: having reduced women to mere sex objects, these same men then despise women for having sex. Will this merry-go-round never end? http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/too-many-men-still-see-women-as-sex-objects-20101019-16sgh.html#ixzz1MPwtFoPU Makes me hate all men. They should be punished much harder when comitting sex trafficking, raping and exploiting and they should be required by law to take a pill to reduce their libido. and you know what makes men hate these oprah watching women? the fact that you can convince yourself that the above is factual, when this is a frame from the video she sued over...
Darren Taylor Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 Women are objectified and seen as sex objects because they allow it. They are not offended by it, contrary to what they say.
thatone Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 Some men will believe that if a woman is wearing a low cut top it's for men to look at her. because it is why they are dressing that way. you trying to tell me that women get boob jobs to help their balance and posture?
MissJoness Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 Women are objectified and seen as sex objects because they allow it. They are not offended by it, contrary to what they say. I wish men would stop blaming women for this. I've been objectified by men and I did absolutely NOTHING to warrant this type of attention. There is a man in particular in my apartment complex who often makes sexual remarks to me and I do not dress skanky or give him any type of message that I am interested in him sexually. Some men just simply have no respect for women at all.
fortyninethousand322 Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 I wish men would stop blaming women for this. I've been objectified by men and I did absolutely NOTHING to warrant this type of attention. There is a man in particular in my apartment complex who often makes sexual remarks to me and I do not dress skanky or give him any type of message that I am interested in him sexually. Some men just simply have no respect for women at all. And some men respect women so much that they completely stay away from them. Both extremes are unhealthy.
Darren Taylor Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 I wish men would stop blaming women for this. I've been objectified by men and I did absolutely NOTHING to warrant this type of attention. There is a man in particular in my apartment complex who often makes sexual remarks to me and I do not dress skanky or give him any type of message that I am interested in him sexually. Some men just simply have no respect for women at all. When you're wearing revealing clothing, do stupid sh*t when drunk; you're to blame. When an average guy looks at you and you call him a creep, it's your fault. When an attractive guy looks, you love the attention. Yes, women are to blame. It's not the woman's fault every single time, but in general they are to blame. I've looked at women in such situations and I have not once been called a creep, where as another guy would have been called out on it and humiliated. The reason men blame women is because the majority of the time, the woman invited the attention.
mr.dream merchant Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 Sometimes I just want to ****. I don't care about how your day was, or how you're feeling, or why you're pissed at your friend's cousin's mother's brother. I just want to ****. Why do women require a gauntlet to run though just for a piece of ass? ****, half of the time they aren't dating material anyways. I just want to pipe and peace out.
Knittress Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 When guys don't act sexual with women, and treat them more like virginal princesses, women get turned off and dump them. These are what are considered as the 'nice guys'. Women want a guy who's going to throw them up against the wall or onto the bed, and give them a good seeing too. Sorry women, but you know it, and I know it. This is true. I used to be afraid of any evidence of male sexuality and take it as an insult, merely because I was terrified of it. It was only until I was in a relationship with a guy who was NOT sexual with me that I started to feel that something was missing and it made me miserable. (there was - he might have been gay, but I digress) I think what people get confused over is that it isn't the appreciation of another's sexuality that's offensive, but devaluing the rest of their personality as irrelevant. As in, I enjoy acting like two mindless animals in heat, but only with a man who knows and likes me.
Woggle Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 There is a difference between being sexual and degrading a woman. The Girls Gone Wild guy is a pig and the court ruling is absurd. Any woman should have the right to say no but some women act like a man simply being sexually interested in women means he is some kind of pig which is not true.
Jackshadow Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 Why is there air? Men AND women view each other as sex objects, to a greater or lesser degree. I worked in the operating room of several different hospitals, and I promise you that women do this too, and can be just as raunchy, or even more so, than men. Call it hard-wired biology, genetic programming, whatever. The problem lies in how men (or women) act towards the sex object in question. Rude, boorish and insulting behavior should never be tolerated, and the men that do so give the rest of us a black eye over it. I can smile nicely to a woman I find sexy, treat her courteously and respectfully, and never voice the hundred naughty things that zoom through my head. Treating the "object" in question as *just* as a pair of cute buns or breasts or muscles that should adorn a greek god, without valuing the rest of the person is a slippery slope, indeed. It happens in advertising and the media, which we can't control very easily, but when we take that attitude into our heads, well, we know what happens then......
Author Kalinka Posted May 15, 2011 Author Posted May 15, 2011 Why are women objectified? It's because the only story of a woman that really exists in mass media is of a sex object. Look at everything that uses women for advertising, their always attractive and often scantily clad. You never rarely see things about women that only feature their talents, or personality. If it does it's ALWAYS underlined by her being sexy and attractive Example: look at pictures of male athletes in magazine. You often see pictures of them playing their sport. Now look at women athletes. They're almost always doing a sexy pose, showing how hot they are. You almost never see a something that features them as purely an athlete, without them somehow being featured as a babe. This isn't really that bad because being a sexual being is a dimension of all men and women, it's just that in women's case it's often the ONLY dimension of her that's put forth. Women are to blame too. Pick up a Maxim magazine. What's in it? Pictures of hot girls. Now pick up a Cosmo. What's in it. Pictures of hot girls, basically telling them that they should look like this. Girls themselves objectify themselves. They've internalized the objectivity that society has put on them. Watch this. It's about music videos and how they shape our view of sexuality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KZty9LeAxE This post was basically a re-authoring of this video clip. Most logical post so far.
Ross MwcFan Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 I'm annoyed with men this week. I've experienced men who treated women as sex objects. There is this one guy who lives in my apartment complex who is always making sexually charged comments to me, and I cannot stand him. I swear the next time I see him I am going to punch his effing lights out. He's so ugly and disrespectful to me, I hate how he keeps hitting on me. I get it, you don't want men to find you physically sexually desirable. Do you make sure you cover up well? How about putting on some more pounds?
Author Kalinka Posted May 15, 2011 Author Posted May 15, 2011 I wish men would stop blaming women for this. I've been objectified by men and I did absolutely NOTHING to warrant this type of attention. There is a man in particular in my apartment complex who often makes sexual remarks to me and I do not dress skanky or give him any type of message that I am interested in him sexually. Some men just simply have no respect for women at all. I agree.....
Author Kalinka Posted May 15, 2011 Author Posted May 15, 2011 Because a lot of men (including myself), if not most, don't have to be attracted to a womans personality to want to sleep with them. All the woman needs to be is physically attractive. I really don't understand why women view that as so bad. Because when a man degrades me down to an sex object it makes me feel extremely insecure. Like, am I not worth it? am I not worth a relationship? Do I have nothing going for me?This has only happened to me once when a guy actually did that. We no longer talk anymore.
Ross MwcFan Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) Because when a man degrades me down to an sex object it makes me feel extremely insecure. Like, am I not worth it? am I not worth a relationship? Do I have nothing going for me?This has only happened to me once when a guy actually did that. We no longer talk anymore. All it means is that at that particular time, all he's interested in is sex, or seeing you in a sexual way. There's no need for you to feel so insecure. I would give anything for people to see me in a sexually desirable way. Unfortunatley, they don't, not in real life anyway. If you could get to experience what it's like to be me, to feel completely sexually undesirable because no one has ever shown any interest in you. You'd never complain about being viewed as a sex object again. Edited May 15, 2011 by Ross MwcFan
musemaj11 Posted May 15, 2011 Posted May 15, 2011 I think a woman deserve to be seen as a sex object only when she presents herself as a sex object. Just as Dave Chapelle said, "Just because a woman dresses like a whore, doesnt mean she is a whore. But it sure as hell is confusing to men. Its like seeing a man in a police uniform on the street and he is not actually a cop."
Joe Normal Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 And flat out objectify them? I just invested my emotions into an a-hole(he's 24) who wanted to get with nearly every girl in sight and then go brag about it. And a bunch of other issues that just disgust me that I don't want to type up. It really makes me feel pessimistic about the male gender. I've also seen first handed how the guys around me treat women. I really don't want to sound so negative but it's hard not to at times. You might as well ask why do women like you go out with men like this?
sanskrit Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 You might as well ask why do women like you go out with men like this? No, then that would make her partially accountable. Let's just stick with all the bad ole men out there objectifying the blameless women. You see in femspeak, asking women to accept some of the blame for the results of their choices or really any gender issue at all is equivalent to blaming it ALL on them.
Chicago_Guy Posted May 16, 2011 Posted May 16, 2011 And flat out objectify them? I just invested my emotions into an a-hole(he's 24) who wanted to get with nearly every girl in sight and then go brag about it. And a bunch of other issues that just disgust me that I don't want to type up. It really makes me feel pessimistic about the male gender. I've also seen first handed how the guys around me treat women. I really don't want to sound so negative but it's hard not to at times. I bet that you overlooked other men to be with this guy. Whatever he does apparently worked on you. If women didn't reward men for behaving like this, those men would change their act.
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