Do Women like 30 year olds who live with their parents?

May 9, 2011

My posts are usually angry, because I respond to something that I believe in strongly, and get into arguments with people.

I actually don't argue with people offline. I have plenty of friends, and people generally respond well to me.

And I also don't hate anybody on here, save for the onegoal troll (who's sort of getting on my nerves.) My points that I make to SmilieFace, and to the other women who seem to have this idealology, is to make them realize that it's something completely different than what they're arguing it is. I'm trying to provide them with a different perspective. I don't know how to phrase this, except unkindly, when I make the point nicely and they don't listen or accept it the first time.

May 9, 2011

My point is that if someone is independent, and living at home, and the only thing wrong with him is that he lives at home, he is not any less qualified to be your boyfriend than some drug abuser cheating bad boy who has his own place and lots of cash.

Yes, I brought the nice guy argument in again. But there's no denying that a lot of "nice guy" still live with their parents.

Like I said, it's a herd mentality. You won't date a guy who lives at home, because it's not culturally acceptable. There is no other reason for not dating someone who lives at home. He has no disease because he lives with his parents. If he's a caregiver, that means he is a responsible adult, and not a baby. If he has a job, that means he is a responsible adult.

Admit it, the only two reasons that you won't date someone who lives at home is because A.) it's not culturally acceptable, and B.) because you want wild sex, and you don't want mummy and daddy to hear you.

Are you guys reading anything I write? My word.

May 9, 2011

And another thing that I've noticed is, the other forums I post at, I don't get into arguments with people. This is the first forum that I've been told I'm "angry" on - I've been a mod on four other forums, and people usually come to me for advice.

It seems like LS is not a good place for me, mentally, because I can't debate without shouting. But at the same time, this is the only relationship forum I can go to where people are arguing over virginity (and aren't hammering on about men's rights, true forced loneliness, or some other crapola.)

May 9, 2011

This is different. I mean only if you are living off of them. Your situation is different. You are working and fend for yourself, I can respect that. I am not saying if you live at home , you live off of your parents. I am saying if you do, I just can't respect that.

I see. I think the whole dependence thing is a bit like how Clarence Thomas defined pornography: "I'll know it when I see it".

May 9, 2011

Are you guys reading anything I write? My word.

I read the part where you dated a guy who lived at home around Muse's age and he dumped you. He is to busy being angry and arguing living at home would be perfectly ok other then herd mentality. He is very angry, the herd did that to him.

May 9, 2011

This is different. I mean only if you are living off of them. Your situation is different. You are working and fend for yourself, I can respect that. I am not saying if you live at home , you live off of your parents. I am saying if you do, I just can't respect that.

How would you treat a man who is...?

28 years old
Still a virgin/hasn't had a girlfriend
Is going to school full time
Still lives at home, because he's taking care of a relative
Is looking for a job, and when he gets one, will provide rent and contribute to buying groceries and paying utilities for the house?
Washes dishes, does laundry, and cleans and takes care of the upkeep of the house
Is generally attractive to you, and you like his personality and want to date him, but are unsure because of 1-6?

I am speaking hypothetically. Of course, I'm talking about my situation, but I'm also trying to get a perspective on why someone like me is "undatable".

May 9, 2011

Admit it, the only two reasons that you won't date someone who lives at home is because A.) it's not culturally acceptable, and B.) because you want wild sex, and you don't want mummy and daddy to hear you.

You don't even know what my culture is.

I have my own place, I can have hot, loud, and wall shaking sex there.

Your point?

May 9, 2011

I read the part where you dated a guy who lived at home around Muse's age and he dumped you. He is to busy being angry and arguing living at home would be perfectly ok other then herd mentality. He is very angry, the herd did that to him.

I suppose I just shouldn't get angry at stuff like this. I mean, it's the internet, who cares?

I need to stop letting LS get to me, and just debate and not argue.

May 9, 2011

You don't even know what my culture is.
I have my own place, I can have hot, loud, and wall shaking sex there.

Your point?

He has no point, you did date some one who lived at home around his age in there upper 20's and he was jobless. That guy dumped you. He won't be happy till we all feel sorry for him and he has a gf.

May 9, 2011

I suppose I just shouldn't get angry at stuff like this. I mean, it's the internet, who cares?

I need to stop letting LS get to me, and just debate and not argue.

I'd like to help you, don't get so angry. It's good you care, just care about the good stuff.

May 9, 2011

You don't even know what my culture is.
I have my own place, I can have hot, loud, and wall shaking sex there.

Your point?

What is your culture? Are you American or British?

If you are, then you can't possibly argue that it's not your culture, because men who still live at home past a certain age in these cultures are universally unattractive. Simply because society says so.

May 9, 2011

How would you treat a man who is...?

28 years old
Still a virgin/hasn't had a girlfriend
Is going to school full time
Still lives at home, because he's taking care of a relative
Is looking for a job, and when he gets one, will provide rent and contribute to buying groceries and paying utilities for the house?
Washes dishes, does laundry, and cleans and takes care of the upkeep of the house
Is generally attractive to you, and you like his personality and want to date him, but are unsure because of 1-6?
I am speaking hypothetically. Of course, I'm talking about my situation, but I'm also trying to get a perspective on why someone like me is "undatable".

Nothing you list here makes you undatable to me.

28 years old Your'e 8 years my senior but I am not one to care about age
Still a virgin/hasn't had a girlfriend Why you still a virgin - we may not be compatible since I am not a virgin? For example if you are a virgin for religous reasons - we are definately not compatible. If you just haven't found the one - I can care less.
Is going to school full time I go to school full time, I wouldn't have a problem with this - you are trying to improve your situation
Still lives at home, because he's taking care of a relative I take care of a relative - not a dealbreaker
Is looking for a job, and when he gets one, will provide rent and contribute to buying groceries and paying utilities for the house? It is good to have goals - you are looking for a job, I can't ask for more
Washes dishes, does laundry, and cleans and takes care of the upkeep of the house Responsible.. good
Is generally attractive to you, and you like his personality and want to date him, but are unsure because of 1-6? If I am generally attracted to someone, why not?

May 9, 2011

What is your culture? Are you American or British?

If you are, then you can't possibly argue that it's not your culture, because men who still live at home past a certain age in these cultures are universally unattractive. Simply because society says so.

What’s your point? Live life for who you are not what is considered unattractive. I had other reasons for moving out of my families place, having a place to bring women back to was the icing on the cake. If you are happy at home don't worry about society.

Also stop arguing with her she dated guys who aren’t what society would consider dateable.

May 9, 2011

What is your culture? Are you American or British?

If you are, then you can't possibly argue that it's not your culture, because men who still live at home past a certain age in these cultures are universally unattractive. Simply because society says so.

I live in America but I am from the Caribbean. It is common in my country for people to live with their parents up until marriage. My own sister didn't move out until she was 28 and that was only last month. My views are not based on culture but my own personal beliefs.

May 9, 2011

I was wrong. I apologize.

May 9, 2011

He has no point, you did date some one who lived at home around his age in there upper 20's and he was jobless. That guy dumped you. He won't be happy till we all feel sorry for him and he has a gf.

Thank You!

May 9, 2011

I was wrong. I apologize.

Yes you were. Only about the way you acted.

It is silly and arbitrary that society looks down upon those who live with family. That is just the way it is though.

Finally, the girl you argued the most with is the exact kind of girl who would date some one like you if she found you attractive.

Simply put, find this girl and make love to her while she wears the clown make up.

May 9, 2011

Simply put, find this girl and make love to her while she wears the JOKER make up.

:lmao:

May 9, 2011

I've encountered guys who had less than ideal living arrangements (lived with parents/a brother/friend, had no car, etc), and would never get into a long-term relationship with one.

the truth of the matter is Men like this tend to be users who want ppl to feel sorry for them...and you wind up driving them to work (the ones who don't have a car either), to the grocery market, to a friend's house, on your dates...then they want to borrow your car. The ones who do have a car but still live at home want to ALWAYS have a date night at your place the majority of the time...then the requests to spend the night...turn into them wanting to stay with you for long periods of time till it's almost like them living w/ you. I avoid men like this a lot, especially being young single woman who lives alone they are always preying on me. Sorry but if you don't have your own place, and don't have it together at 30 then you need to hold off dating. That is just my opinion. A few of the men in here want to play the sympathy card like "women are being mean and looking me over because I stilll live at home" when the reality is that they tend to be users and end up being a burden to others.

I wouldn't even date a younger guy who didn't have a car or a job. I met a guy a few years younger than me, 23 years old, and after the first conversation he was asking me if I could pick him up from work the next day

May 9, 2011

Yes, they are. You are going with an ad hominem strategy which is a logical fallacy in this case.

A) It's not an ad hominem. An ad hominem is an attack directly against the person making the argument. Example: saying "You're fat, stupid, ugly, lazy, and boring, and therefore you know nothing" would be an ad hominem. It's a logical fallacy because it answers nothing about the question asked. She dismissed the question, rather than attacking the person who asked it in this instance.

B) This entire thread and board is an exercise in logical fallacies. I can't even begin to count the number of generalizations I've seen (improperly drawn syllogisms). "So-and-so doesn't like men that live with their parents. So-and-so is a woman. Therefore ALL women don't like men that live with their parents." The number of assumptions required for some of these leaps of logic are astounding! I'm just wondering why we're starting to call the logical fallacies now. 'Cause seriously, I'm studying this crap right now, and it would be some fantastic practice for me.

Crap. Fuel to the fire. Intricategirl can be kind of a b*tch. Intricategirl is a woman. Therefore all women is b*tches.

(And please realize, I'm not calling you out in particular, Disinterested. More commenting that there's been some serious bullcrap slung about, and if we're gonna start calling logical fallacy now, the whole internet might implode upon itself.)

May 9, 2011

My advice to the OP:

Get it together before you start even thinking about dating. Yeah sure, if a girl falls into your life, and you like each other, then you should go for it. But don't make dating a priority. Make getting out of your parent's house, and living on your own and supporting yourself, a priority.

The reason why I take care of my Grandma is because she has a difficult personality, and also she gets really depressed when she's away from home. The one time she was put in a nursing home, she cried until she was sobbing, because she wanted to come home. The only reason she is not in a nursing home, and I am not living on my own, is simply because she doesn't want to go, and my mom and I don't want to be the bad guys and put her there. She will just stop eating, and die.

She's already doing badly, because she's in the hospital and away from home. She keeps on asking when she can come home, and I have no answer, because she keeps on getting worse.

That is what I'm worried about, and why I can't live on my own.

It's also not a sense of "wanting to be taken care of." I LOVE living on my own; the three years that I spent in my apartment were the happiest I've ever had. I made a ton of new friends, got involved in the community and church, and now I had to leave all that behind. So if someone is saying I'm doing it for a selfish reason, it's not that, because I'm doing it for my grandma (who I love and admire, and want to be well.)

Perhaps the reason why I got so heated in this thread, was because people were saying I was a selfish mooch (or people like me are selfish mooches), and I got angry because I am not?

May 9, 2011

How would you treat a man who is...?

28 years old good age
Still a virgin/hasn't had a girlfriend are you saving yourself for marriage?
Is going to school full time okay, that is good. but do you have a definite graduation date? lots of ppl are always saying they are in "school" but never graduate. I have a brother who has been in school 'full time" since he was 22, and he is now 40 and has yet to finish..this guy has to prove to me that he is serious about school, is passing, and will actually be graduating and not just taking classes. my first boyfriend told me he was in college, and about to get his own place. he 1) was never in college. 2) never got his own place. i think he still lives at home and he's 32 now
Still lives at home, because he's taking care of a relative have you ever thought about hiring a home health aide to take care of your sick relative to make things a bit easier. some insurance companies cover the cost of a caregiver.
Is looking for a job, and when he gets one, will provide rent and contribute to buying groceries and paying utilities for the house? that's how a lot of men try to get you with this "looking for a job"...first get a job, save up your money and then look for a girlfriend..you have to get yourself together first...
Washes dishes, does laundry, and cleans and takes care of the upkeep of the house okay youre supposed to do that
Is generally attractive to you, and you like his personality and want to date him, but are unsure because of 1-6? i would pass personally. if he actually had a job, and was defintely without a doubt going to graduate from college I may consider...but the living at home thing..I dunno. again I've met guys like this and they tend to be users. they want to stay over at the girlfriend's place,, spend many nights, try to move themselves in once they get comfortable in the relationship etc maybe if you found a woman who also lived at home like you and was going through the same thing it may work out.
I am speaking hypothetically. Of course, I'm talking about my situation, but I'm also trying to get a perspective on why someone like me is "undatable".

okay I answered your questions

May 9, 2011

Rewording.........

Edited May 9, 2011 by SmileFace

May 9, 2011

She was changing the focus and redirecting it away from my arguments and towards me and my personal background. That's ad hominem.

I wasn't changing focus. I was trying to get a deeper understanding of your agrument. If I went along and said " You only say xyz because you live at home", that would be a ad hominem. I never discounted your arguements because of your personal background.

May 9, 2011

It is ad hominem but it isn't a logical fallacy.

Agreed............

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