sanskrit Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 Funny, I worked in customer service People are much nicer when they need your help and you have some control over whether they get it, so customer service isn't exactly the same as working on the floor. My experience comes from 8 years as a retail floor salesperson younger, and 5 years of store ownership older (not to mention 35 years of being a store customer and observing other customers' behavior). While owning the store, about 50/50 customers were of each gender, but 99.9% of the problem customers, rude customers, haughty customers, unreasonable return customers, "give me special treatment for free" customers, dishonest customers, annoying wish they would go the hell away and go to hell generally customers were women. When I was younger and still an "enlightened gentleman" just attributed it to women's prerogative to be more "moody" because they had to function in a "man's world" or so I was told every day by the propagandists. Owning the store as a more experienced adult, my eyes were opened to the truth.
PhillyDude Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 Perhaps but I never did that. I find that to be wrong. t's uncontrollable not something youplan so you probably did do it and did not realize it
hellrazaa Posted May 8, 2011 Posted May 8, 2011 hey when you try to be nice to a super cute gal she doesnt want to hear that so have a lil mean streak will get you some attention...Fact is women dont like nice guys...
Enchanted Girl Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 The hilarious irony of this thread is that had OP been a woman, the clerk would not have been shaken at all as everyone expects women customers to be rude, when a man does it it's like cognitive dissonance. Had various retail jobs growing up, and have owned stores later in life. Women are the rude, problem customers, almost never men. We all know this, particularly those who have worked retail. Go in an auto parts or hardware store and measure the politeness of the clientele versus say that in a women's clothing, shoe or decor store. The difference in attitude and rudeness of customers is absolutely amazing. I will never again own a retail venture where women are the primary customers, the hassle of dealing with female customers is simply not worth it. Maybe its different in retail, but its a pretty equal male to female ratio when it comes to fast food. I had men threaten to murder me, tell me that I should be fired, and call me all kinds of swear words. Wasn't any more unusual for me than when women did it.
Enchanted Girl Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Having been in a womens retail store myself, I attest to this. Though I wouldn't say they're necessarily more rude. I don't think rude is the right term, but definitely more catty and difficult. I'll also say that women very easily go from zero to apesh*t. It doesn't take much to set them off. If you work in women's retail (which the previous poster implied that he/she did as well), then most of your customers are women, so if most of your customers that freak out are women . . . . why is this strange? You had more nice female customers than male ones as well.
Goatsbreath Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 bah..It's more interesting that you actually thought she was into you...
BS76 Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 MEAN!! That's right. This is what I think will definitely get their attention. Feel free to dispute it if you want, but I went into Target today to get a few things for the house. I saw a customer chatting up this cute girl and I could tell she didn't wanna be bothered. He was friendly and all but it did nothing for her, as she kept her back to him the whole time. Enter me. I walked over to that same girl. Saw her up close. I'm guessing she's about 20-21, young. She was doing shopback or what ever you call it when the workers gather misplaced items and throw them into the cart. I asked her where the scales are at, looking her straight in the eyes, with no smiling or anything remotely flirtatious. She looked at me stunned. And then tried hard to think, putting her hand to her neck, clearing her throat. I said, "come on, I dont got all day, you work here don't you?" and she stuttered a little bit, looked around, and then started rambling about the scales might be down this aisle, or maybe that aisle, or maybe that aisle, and so on. She had no clear-cut answer for me! I then said "look, ms., hurry and find out where the scales are already." in a darker voice, and that's when she finally got help. Damn, that felt good, because later on, when I had to pass her again, I totally ignored her and she couldn't get her eyes off of me, nor was she able to fully concentrate on her task. I found this extremely interesting. And when I left the store, I kept up the attitude and every good-looking woman in sight had their eyes on me in a sort of curious, fascinated way. Hmm...I'm starting to wonder . Congratulations on discovering that nice is boring, ergo why women who can have any man they want tend to go for the interesting "bad boys".
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Congratulations on discovering that nice is boring, ergo why women who can have any man they want tend to go for the interesting "bad boys". Nowhere in this story do I get that the girl was interested in the OP in any way. He perceived that she "couldn't keep her eyes off" him or concentrate on her task ... I imagine that was just because he was such a creeper that she was wary. I worked in retail a lot too. The behavior he described would have put me on my guard, at the very least.
Dust Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 True story, I was at a restaurant and started complaining to the waitress about how my table wobbled. Her response was something a long the lines of “the table at my place doesn’t wobble you should come over for a meal.” (I got the feeling she wanted to be desert) First, off women like nice guys. Women also like to point out that a guy is nice when they are turning him down romantically. The guy might be a boring loser but women just try to avoid conflict and compliment him. (guys then take this to mean nice is bad) Second, you failed miserably if you were trying to be a bad guy. The most important part would have been having sex with her and treating her like a piece of meat. (as opposed being relationship minded) All you did was complain to her and not even try to have sex with her. Bad guy would have tried. Cool guy would have tried. Heck a dirty old man would have tried. You did nothing. Heck if you had asked her out she probably would have gave you the stock line that you seem like a nice guy but no.
Dust Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Many women want to want a nice guy but then invariably go with the wrong guy. I know this to be wrong. This is only correct if being afraid of women some how makes you nice, furthermore if getting rejected by women is a criteria to being nice.
salty goodness Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 Many women want to want a nice guy but then invariably go with the wrong guy. women like genuine nice guys not creepy guys who think they're nice guys; anyone who has to proclaim to the world that they're nice is trying too hard and is in all probability a jerk in real life. i've lost count of the supposed "nice" men over the years who have turned out to be clingy, controlling, jealous creeps.
SleeplessRomantic Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 First, off women like polite, confident AND ambitious guys. Fixed it for you.
Jazzari Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 I don't want the stereotypical nice guy (doormat) and I certainly don't want a jerk. I want a good man.
Author Shaun-Dro Posted May 9, 2011 Author Posted May 9, 2011 It seems to me that you've certainly confused the "good" mean from the "bad" mean. "Good" mean to me would be something along the lines of not feeding her ego like a good percentage of men probably do. "Good" mean can also be something like being a strong, not easily persuaded man of a certain code of conduct and demeanor, not easily victim to beauty and lust. That's the mean that would probably attract more women to you, as they'll see you as a strong man who's more of a challenge, not an easy hormone driven creature who'll jump at the first sign of a lay. What you've described in your encounter was probably a bit much. You didn't really sell that "I'm not easily impressed by your beauty" act the way you wanted to. She probably thinks you're an angry, bitter, and unfit man. I'd like to applaud your efforts though. It takes a certain kind of comfortability and adventurous feel to employ different tactics. I myself am the same way. It's fun to experiment in the dating world, especially if you know there will always be female suitors to experiment with. Best of luck to you in the future OP. I wasn't interested in this girl. I just wanted to send a message and I do believe I got that accomplished. In the future, absolutely showing the "mean" good guy is the way to go. This approach has worked for my older friend in more ways than one, where he has an attractive younger woman on his arms going on 3 years now so obviously there is "something" to what you're saying. I just wish my buddy had told me this much sooner. It would've saved a lot of aggravation and trying to figure things out with these females. My friend never has this problem and he's a pretty serious guy, like me. I have to get back in touch with him on this matter. It must be something he has that I don't. Experience maybe??
Enchanted Girl Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 women like genuine nice guys not creepy guys who think they're nice guys; anyone who has to proclaim to the world that they're nice is trying too hard and is in all probability a jerk in real life. i've lost count of the supposed "nice" men over the years who have turned out to be clingy, controlling, jealous creeps. I dated a "nice" guy who I broke-up with and tried to comfort by calling him nice, but I didn't break-up with him for that reason. He had his nice moments, but he still didn't stop when I said no, although he didn't go as far as raping me. He had no job and hadn't in years and was in debt. He never took showers, he was extremely obese, and he had a very small penis. He had a very ugly face, too. I met him online and got guilted into dating him for awhile because he said all women abandoned him and it wasn't fair because he was such a nice person, but I just couldn't do it anymore after awhile. He said most girls didn't even show up to dates that they invited him to and I was tempted to do the same thing when I saw him from afar, but I felt guilty, so I went on the date. And now he whines all over his facebook about how he's such a nice guy and how the world is unfair to him because he can't get a date. I'm ACTUALLY dating a nice guy now. He respects me and my body. He listens to me and isn't afraid of commitment. He has a job. =)
Dust Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 I dated a "nice" guy who I broke-up with and tried to comfort by calling him nice, but I didn't break-up with him for that reason. And the recipe to create the so called nice guy is born. Why is it that so many guys are so silly to think the reason they are being dumped is because they are nice? You just complimented him because insulting him would have been rude. He had his nice moments' date=' but he still didn't stop when I said no, although he didn't go as far as raping me. He had no job and hadn't in years and was in debt. He never took showers, he was extremely obese, and he had a very small penis. He had a very ugly face, too. [/quote'] Yeah you just described you're typical "nice guy." I met him online and got guilted into dating him for awhile because he said all women abandoned him and it wasn't fair because he was such a nice person' date=' but I just couldn't do it anymore after awhile. He said most girls didn't even show up to dates that they invited him to and I was tempted to do the same thing when I saw him from afar, but I felt guilty, so I went on the date. [/quote'] Of course you met this guy online and he guilted you into a date. Would have never guessed you met him in a park or what ever and were charmed into a date. Internet and guilted into a date fits the “nice guy” motto. And now he whines all over his facebook about how he's such a nice guy and how the world is unfair to him because he can't get a date. I wish you had turned him down from the start by saying “sorry, I’m looking for a nice guy.” If he even had the balls to push it past that with “I am a nice guy!” you should have replied “No, you’re not” and then ignore him. I can’t believe you got guilted into sex with this guy. You must have felt so dirty afterward. Live and learn.
Mme. Chaucer Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 I wasn't interested in this girl. I just wanted to send a message and I do believe I got that accomplished. Oh. I feel the same way about the message I emailed to Brad Pitt last night. I told him he was a stupid idiotic jerk, and this woman, right hear, isn't even gonna start fawning all over him. He needed to hear that. I'm sure he read my email (I re-sent it 27168 times) and is giving it some serious thought. Just because he's the World's Sexiest Man, etc. he's not all that, and naturally what I think about him is tremendously important. And really, my method doesn't say anything at all about ME (like I have the social skills of a hyena, random anger issues and am kind of stalkerish, too). Pompous ass. I believe I got it accomplished! Seriously, you did send a message - that you are a socially inappropriate creeper.
gcs Posted May 9, 2011 Posted May 9, 2011 MEAN!! That's right. This is what I think will definitely get their attention. Feel free to dispute it if you want, but I went into Target today to get a few things for the house. I saw a customer chatting up this cute girl and I could tell she didn't wanna be bothered. He was friendly and all but it did nothing for her, as she kept her back to him the whole time. Enter me. I walked over to that same girl. Saw her up close. I'm guessing she's about 20-21, young. She was doing shopback or what ever you call it when the workers gather misplaced items and throw them into the cart. I asked her where the scales are at, looking her straight in the eyes, with no smiling or anything remotely flirtatious. She looked at me stunned. And then tried hard to think, putting her hand to her neck, clearing her throat. I said, "come on, I dont got all day, you work here don't you?" and she stuttered a little bit, looked around, and then started rambling about the scales might be down this aisle, or maybe that aisle, or maybe that aisle, and so on. She had no clear-cut answer for me! I then said "look, ms., hurry and find out where the scales are already." in a darker voice, and that's when she finally got help. Damn, that felt good, because later on, when I had to pass her again, I totally ignored her and she couldn't get her eyes off of me, nor was she able to fully concentrate on her task. I found this extremely interesting. And when I left the store, I kept up the attitude and every good-looking woman in sight had their eyes on me in a sort of curious, fascinated way. Hmm...I'm starting to wonder . Immediate turn off. I wouldn't think twice about any guy who spoke to me like that. I wouldnt even use the phrase "man" because any MAN would know that is not the start of a promising relationship.
Author Shaun-Dro Posted May 9, 2011 Author Posted May 9, 2011 Immediate turn off. I wouldn't think twice about any guy who spoke to me like that. I wouldnt even use the phrase "man" because any MAN would know that is not the start of a promising relationship. ^^Another imbecile who failed to understand what was written . Again, I wasn't trying to attract the girl. I was letting her know that since and because she was cute it did not entitle her to act any way she damn well pleased. Message delivered!
Knittress Posted May 10, 2011 Posted May 10, 2011 ^^Another imbecile who failed to understand what was written . Again, I wasn't trying to attract the girl. I was letting her know that since and because she was cute it did not entitle her to act any way she damn well pleased. Message delivered! Uh no. What we've been trying to tell you is that you FAILED to communicate this message. Unless you think she can read your mind. Which is also creepy, come to think of it...
Author Shaun-Dro Posted May 10, 2011 Author Posted May 10, 2011 Uh no. What we've been trying to tell you is that you FAILED to communicate this message. Unless you think she can read your mind. Which is also creepy, come to think of it... People toss this "creepy" word around so loosely. Go get the dictionary and explain to me what this word really means before you yap nonsense to me, ok?
LeaningIntoTheMuse Posted May 10, 2011 Posted May 10, 2011 Someone who is mean just for the hell of it is generally a creep.
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